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Sociology > Depression |
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"aaron from suburbia" |
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27 May 2006 11:12:57 AM |
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I had 5 hours sleep |
what should I do, try to stay awake, or go back to sleep ?
I could try to "tough it out" the tiredness, with my dear friend named
COFFEE, or just give in and go sleep for a few hours.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
27 May 2006 01:49:56 PM |
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:dU_dg.18391$fb2.14008@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
what should I do, try to stay awake, or go back to sleep ?
I could try to "tough it out" the tiredness, with my dear friend named
COFFEE, or just give in and go sleep for a few hours.
For future reference, listen to your mind and body. You should be getting
at least 8 hours sleep. If you've only had five and you're tired, then
sleep. You can make up for it later when you're feeling better and
stronger. In CBT we were told that sleep used regularly to escape, or
avoid; sleep that interferes in normal daily activity to the detriment of
our families and ourselves, is strongly discouraged. That's a pattern of
behaviour that required re-adjustment, but otherwise, pay attention to what
your body is telling you. The classes also encouraged the "two hour rule"
so set your alarm. If you're just tired, a couple of hours should give your
body what it needs, while allowing you to remain in control of your
behaviour. When you're in charge you're on your way to getting your life
back.
--
Rhi
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
28 May 2006 07:35:51 PM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:9t0eg.2584$ho5.210477@news20.bellglobal.com...
"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:dU_dg.18391$fb2.14008@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
what should I do, try to stay awake, or go back to sleep ?
I could try to "tough it out" the tiredness, with my dear friend named
COFFEE, or just give in and go sleep for a few hours.
For future reference, listen to your mind and body. You should be getting
at least 8 hours sleep. If you've only had five and you're tired, then
sleep. You can make up for it later when you're feeling better and
stronger. In CBT we were told that sleep used regularly to escape, or
avoid; sleep that interferes in normal daily activity to the detriment of
our families and ourselves, is strongly discouraged. That's a pattern of
behaviour that required re-adjustment, but otherwise, pay attention to
what
your body is telling you. The classes also encouraged the "two hour rule"
so set your alarm. If you're just tired, a couple of hours should give
your
body what it needs, while allowing you to remain in control of your
behaviour. When you're in charge you're on your way to getting your life
back.
--
Rhi
I will try these suggestions, thanks Rhi !
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| User: "gravity" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
27 May 2006 01:29:57 PM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:9t0eg.2584$ho5.210477@news20.bellglobal.com...
"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:dU_dg.18391$fb2.14008@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
what should I do, try to stay awake, or go back to sleep ?
I could try to "tough it out" the tiredness, with my dear friend named
COFFEE, or just give in and go sleep for a few hours.
For future reference, listen to your mind and body. You should be getting
at least 8 hours sleep. If you've only had five and you're tired, then
sleep. You can make up for it later when you're feeling better and
stronger. In CBT we were told that sleep used regularly to escape, or
avoid; sleep that interferes in normal daily activity to the detriment of
our families and ourselves, is strongly discouraged. That's a pattern of
behaviour that required re-adjustment, but otherwise, pay attention to
what
your body is telling you. The classes also encouraged the "two hour rule"
so set your alarm. If you're just tired, a couple of hours should give
your
body what it needs, while allowing you to remain in control of your
behaviour. When you're in charge you're on your way to getting your life
back.
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me, i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
Gravity
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Rhi
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
27 May 2006 03:35:06 PM |
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"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
Gravity
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
28 May 2006 12:17:43 AM |
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aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
Gravity
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
28 May 2006 01:22:18 AM |
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
Gravity
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
--
Rhi
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
28 May 2006 02:47:40 AM |
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In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
29 May 2006 04:55:18 AM |
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:TH+9FLEcWVeEFwJN@harding.demon.co.uk...
In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they
get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to
me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
When I first heard that story I blamed the pilots. Then information
surfaced that claimed that amphetamine use (I didn't know anything about the
Provigil) was strongly encouraged by their superior officers and pilots were
strongly discouraged from refusing a direct order, unwritten or not. After
the accident happened, their superiors were all too eager to save their own
asses by claiming to know nothing about it and nailed the pilots to the
wall. It seemed to me the pilots took the fall for everyone, and I honestly
felt sorry for them.
--
Rhi
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
28 May 2006 05:24:15 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
....and it was the first ever instance of friendly fire on record in
military history...
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
29 May 2006 01:39:19 AM |
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In message <4dum8dF1c4959U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
...and it was the first ever instance of friendly fire on record in
military history...
Certainly not. The American air force killed British servicemen in the
first Gulf War.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "gravity" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
29 May 2006 02:00:36 AM |
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6Ls3mHGXcpeEFwMA@harding.demon.co.uk...
In message <4dum8dF1c4959U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they
get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i
realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
...and it was the first ever instance of friendly fire on record in
military history...
Certainly not. The American air force killed British servicemen in the
first Gulf War.
Franz was being sarcastic (i hope).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire#Friendly_fire_in_the_U.S._militar
y
Gravity
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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29 May 2006 03:50:19 PM |
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gravity wrote:
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6Ls3mHGXcpeEFwMA@harding.demon.co.uk...
In message <4dum8dF1c4959U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they
get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i
realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
...and it was the first ever instance of friendly fire on record in
military history...
Certainly not. The American air force killed British servicemen in the
first Gulf War.
Franz was being sarcastic (i hope).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire#Friendly_fire_in_the_U.S._militar
y
Gravity
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
I was being sarcastic. I doubt there's ever been a war in human history
where a lethal accident didn't happened to a guy on "your" side. War can
be rather dangerous.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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29 May 2006 04:13:00 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dum8dF1c4959U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it.
they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
...and it was the first ever instance of friendly fire on record in
military history...
Certainly not. The American air force killed British servicemen in the
first Gulf War.
So, there are now 2 instances of friendly fire!
I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to prove Alan. Perhaps you're
just intimating withdrawal from Iraq. So come on out and say that...in
another thread.
Example after example of friendly fire situations strays from the topic
of pilots using stimulants. Amphetamine drug use in combat is a proud
tradition going back to WW 2, where Nazi soldiers and leadership used it
(Hitler got up to 5 per day). It was distributed en masse in Japan to
all sectors of society and used extensively after the war by a starving
populace who sought it out to help quell their hunger pangs.
You can read the wikipedia entry that gravy-tea dug up. Even the
*accurate* parts, there's a special "whiney limey" section just for you.
********
Many, especially those in Britain, hold the view that the US has a
severe record of friendly fire. The popular opinion is that the US is
more likely to injure its own or its unfortunate allies, the British,
than anyone of an opposing army. However, a much more accurate view is
that the United States, as a world superpower, is simply more likely to
have "friendly fire" events because the US is much more likely to be
involved in combat operations. Whether it was the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, Operation Desert Shield/Storm, the War in Kosovo and the
Global War on Terror (GWOT), the US has provided the overwhelming
majority of combat forces. By sheer numbers, the odds are that the US
will have more casualties, regardless of whether they are from enemy or
friendly fire.
********
People make mistakes, mistakes with deadly weapons are bigger mistakes.
Exhaustion even without stimulants makes mistakes more likely.
You keep digging up examples across history and I'll continue to be amazed.
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| User: "Jesters mummy" |
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28 May 2006 08:02:17 PM |
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 08:47:40 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
<(((*>In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<(((*><rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
<(((*>>"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
<(((*>>> aaron from suburbia wrote:
<(((*>>> > "gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>> > news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> >> i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
<(((*>>very
<(((*>>> >> little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
<(((*>>that
<(((*>>> >> type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
<(((*>>> > i'd
<(((*>>> >> just have a heart attack at age 40.
<(((*>
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
<(((*>>military
<(((*>>> > to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
<(((*>>>
<(((*>>> They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
<(((*>>> amphetamines.
<(((*>>
<(((*>>Really? That's interesting.
<(((*>
<(((*>The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
Actually, we don't know for sure that they were on it.
However, it is the defence that was presented by the pilot who dropped the bomb:
that he had taken it and it had affected his cognitive abilities, hence he
bombed what he took to be enemies. So it wasn't really his fault that he killed
the Canadians, he argued; it was the fault of the USAF for feeding him
amphetamines that distorted his judgement.
The other pilot made no such claims; he pleaded guilty to charges and was
discharged from the forces.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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29 May 2006 01:41:40 AM |
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In message <h0ik72purjbj4l6fr2ie6uljqg7hl3iat4@4ax.com>, Jester's mummy
<cocky2@nest.egg> writes
On Sun, 28 May 2006 08:47:40 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
<(((*>In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<(((*><rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
<(((*>>"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
<(((*>>> aaron from suburbia wrote:
<(((*>>> > "gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>> > news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> >> i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do
it. they get
<(((*>>very
<(((*>>> >> little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane.
i realize
<(((*>>that
<(((*>>> >> type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not
worth it to me,
<(((*>>> > i'd
<(((*>>> >> just have a heart attack at age 40.
<(((*>
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
<(((*>>military
<(((*>>> > to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake
16-20 hours.
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
<(((*>>>
<(((*>>> They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
<(((*>>> amphetamines.
<(((*>>
<(((*>>Really? That's interesting.
<(((*>
<(((*>The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
Actually, we don't know for sure that they were on it.
However, it is the defence that was presented by the pilot who dropped
the bomb:
that he had taken it and it had affected his cognitive abilities, hence he
bombed what he took to be enemies. So it wasn't really his fault that he killed
the Canadians, he argued; it was the fault of the USAF for feeding him
amphetamines that distorted his judgement.
The other pilot made no such claims; he pleaded guilty to charges and was
discharged from the forces.
Thank you. I'd certainly heard that he was on officially prescribed
drugs, but I'd not read the full story, obviously. I'm sure the Canadian
media covered it in more detail than ours did.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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28 May 2006 08:53:09 PM |
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Jester's mummy wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2006 08:47:40 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
<(((*>In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<(((*><rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
<(((*>>"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
<(((*>>> aaron from suburbia wrote:
<(((*>>> > "gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>> > news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> >> i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
<(((*>>very
<(((*>>> >> little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
<(((*>>that
<(((*>>> >> type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
<(((*>>> > i'd
<(((*>>> >> just have a heart attack at age 40.
<(((*>
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
<(((*>>military
<(((*>>> > to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
<(((*>>>
<(((*>>> They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
<(((*>>> amphetamines.
<(((*>>
<(((*>>Really? That's interesting.
<(((*>
<(((*>The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
Actually, we don't know for sure that they were on it.
However, it is the defence that was presented by the pilot who dropped the bomb:
that he had taken it and it had affected his cognitive abilities, hence he
bombed what he took to be enemies. So it wasn't really his fault that he killed
the Canadians, he argued; it was the fault of the USAF for feeding him
amphetamines that distorted his judgement.
The other pilot made no such claims; he pleaded guilty to charges and was
discharged from the forces.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Then he's blaming amphetamines, not provigil.
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29 May 2006 01:42:40 AM |
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In message <4dv2g4F1bsve7U2@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Jester's mummy wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2006 08:47:40 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
<(((*>In message <Ksaeg.7597$%Z2.459941@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Rhiannon <(((*><rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
<(((*>>"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
<(((*>>> aaron from suburbia wrote:
<(((*>>> > "gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<(((*>>> > news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> >> i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do
it. they get
<(((*>>very
<(((*>>> >> little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane.
realize
<(((*>>that
<(((*>>> >> type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not
worth it to me,
<(((*>>> > i'd
<(((*>>> >> just have a heart attack at age 40.
<(((*>
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to
them by the
<(((*>>military
<(((*>>> > to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being
awake 16-20 hours.
<(((*>>> >
<(((*>>> > don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
<(((*>>>
<(((*>>> They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
<(((*>>> amphetamines.
<(((*>>
<(((*>>Really? That's interesting.
<(((*>
<(((*>The pilots who bombed the Canadians were on it.
Actually, we don't know for sure that they were on it.
However, it is the defence that was presented by the pilot who
dropped the bomb:
that he had taken it and it had affected his cognitive abilities, hence he
bombed what he took to be enemies. So it wasn't really his fault that
he killed
the Canadians, he argued; it was the fault of the USAF for feeding him
amphetamines that distorted his judgement.
The other pilot made no such claims; he pleaded guilty to charges
and was
discharged from the forces.
Then he's blaming amphetamines, not provigil.
I definitely heard Provigil.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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28 May 2006 02:34:27 AM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
Gravity
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
--
Rhi
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much they
sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the guys who
fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those billion dollar
beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly around the globe on
their workdays. What a foolish plane.
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28 May 2006 02:52:19 AM |
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well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
--
Rhi
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much they
sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the guys who
fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those billion dollar
beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly around the globe on
their workdays. What a foolish plane.
they are also used for narcolepsy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugeroic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil
the most i've stayed up is 55 hours or so.
Gravity
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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28 May 2006 04:54:20 PM |
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gravity wrote:
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
--
Rhi
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much they
sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the guys who
fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those billion dollar
beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly around the globe on
their workdays. What a foolish plane.
they are also used for narcolepsy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugeroic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil
the most i've stayed up is 55 hours or so.
Gravity
That's the OFFICIAL use, but I saw some statistic a while back that of
all the scripts filled only a small portion is for real narcolepsy.
It's an interesting drug. There was a news story on television here
recently wherein a guy who had brain surgery to remove cancer had also
lost the portion of his brain that regulated sleep. He was living on 2
hours per day or something horring. Modafinil acted as a sleep INDUCING
agent for him and allowed him to get 6-8 hours of downtime. Another had
some other form of biological sleep disorder (forget what exactly) and
when he used it during the day to promote alertness it was the only
thing that he was able to get sleepy at night afterwards.
It's an incredibly unique compound. The 400mg I take in the AM totally
eliminates the sleepiness from Lamictal. I find it also helps me a bit
with mood but that effect has diminished greatly over the last year of
use. Just being awake though is helpful enough however.
It's sort of like the strange uses they're finding for Ambien.
I'm still hoping somebody pipes up about experiences they've had with
Adrafinil - it's metabolized into Modafinil and is OTC. I've been
considering ordering some from Quality Health.
http://www.adrafinil.com/
********
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5008744.stm
Pill 'reverses' vegetative state
A sleeping pill can temporarily revive people in a permanent vegetative
state to the point where they can have conversations, a study finds.
Zolpidem is usually used to treat insomnia.
South African researchers, writing in the NeuroRehabilitation, looked at
the effects on three patients of using the drug for up to six years.
But one expert in neurological rehabilitation said it was possible the
patients had a different condition.
This drug could be unmasking a condition from which people are able to
wake up temporarily
Professor Mike Barnes, Hunters Moor Rehabilitation Centre
A person in a vegetative state will appear to be awake and may have
their eyes open, but will show no awareness of their surroundings.
They will not be able to interact with other people, and will show no
responses to sounds or things that happen around them.
But they will show signs of movement, and cycles of sleep and may be
able to breathe on their own.
Response
Each of the three patients studied was given the drug every morning.
An improvement was seen within 20 minutes of taking the drug and wore
off after four hours, when the patients restored to their permanent
vegetative state.
Patient L had been in a vegetative state for three years, showing no
response to touch and no reaction to his family.
After he was given Zolpidem, he was able to talk to them, answering
simple questions.
Patient G was also able to answer simple questions and catch a basketball.
Patient N had been "constantly screaming", but stopped after being given
the drug when he started watching TV and responding to his family.
Dr Ralf Clauss, now in the nuclear medicine department at the Royal
Surrey Hospital was one of the researchers who carried out the study.
He told the BBC: "For every damaged area of the brain, there is a
dormant area, which seems to be a sort of protective mechanism.
"The damaged tissue is dead, there's nothing you can do.
"But it's the dormant areas which 'wake up'."
Activity trigger
He said drugs like Zolpidem activate receptors for a chemical called
GABA in nerve cells in the brain.
When brain damage occurs, these receptors appear to change shape, so
they cannot behave as normal.
He said the drug appeared to cause the receptors in these dormant areas
to change back to their normal shape, triggering nerve cell activity.
Dr Clauss added: "We are carrying out further research. The next step is
to get rid of the sleepiness effect of the drug."
Mike Barnes, professor of neurological rehabilitation at the Hunters
Moor centre in Newcastle, said it was possible that the patients had not
had "true" PVS.
"A diagnosis of PVS means the patient should not wake up and respond."
He said a study carried out by specialists 10 years ago had shown that
up to 45% of patients diagnosed with PVS actually had a range of
different conditions, from which they could wake up.
Professor Barnes added: "This drug could be unmasking a condition from
which people are able to wake up temporarily.
"But if they did have PVS, it would be a remarkable finding, and
certainly worth further research."
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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28 May 2006 03:13:18 AM |
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In message <4dt243F1bu493U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much they
sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the guys
who fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those billion
dollar beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly around the
globe on their workdays. What a foolish plane.
The B52s use Diego Garcia, which isn't American.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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28 May 2006 04:57:58 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dt243F1bu493U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
to me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much they
sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the guys
who fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those billion
dollar beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly around the
globe on their workdays. What a foolish plane.
The B52s use Diego Garcia, which isn't American.
That must be a recent (past couple years?? perhaps), I don't follow such
things with any fervor. Last I read however was that they wouldn't
allow those POS flying wings to live anywhere but @ home. A little Brit
island off of India seems like a decent place to go if you're blowing
the crap out of the middle east.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
28 May 2006 05:22:34 PM |
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In message <4dukn6F1c48rbU1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dt243F1bu493U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it. they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed / amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much
they sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the guys
who fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those billion
dollar beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly around the
globe on their workdays. What a foolish plane.
The B52s use Diego Garcia, which isn't American.
That must be a recent (past couple years?? perhaps), I don't follow
such things with any fervor. Last I read however was that they wouldn't
allow those POS flying wings to live anywhere but @ home. A little Brit
island off of India seems like a decent place to go if you're blowing
the crap out of the middle east.
The B52s have been there for decades, presumably originally to target
the south of the USSR. I don't know about B2s. It's a lot closer to Iraq
and Afghanistan than the USA is. The local population was evicted to
make room for the Americans.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
28 May 2006 08:50:26 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dukn6F1c48rbU1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dt243F1bu493U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it.
they get
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth it
me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake 16-20
hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much
they sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the guys
who fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those billion
dollar beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly around the
globe on their workdays. What a foolish plane.
The B52s use Diego Garcia, which isn't American.
That must be a recent (past couple years?? perhaps), I don't follow
such things with any fervor. Last I read however was that they
wouldn't allow those POS flying wings to live anywhere but @ home. A
little Brit island off of India seems like a decent place to go if
you're blowing the crap out of the middle east.
The B52s have been there for decades, presumably originally to target
the south of the USSR. I don't know about B2s. It's a lot closer to Iraq
and Afghanistan than the USA is. The local population was evicted to
make room for the Americans.
Ah, reading back on your post. They'll stick B-52s all over the place
there's nothing terribly special about it. Big plane, drops bombs. The
B-2 though is expensive in the extreme, has all that fancy stealth
stuff, costs a damn fortune. They're almost too paranoid to use them as
the backlash from getting $1.157 billion dollars shot out of the sky
would be a Bad Thing. It also explains why there's so few of them.
Here we go: Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri is the only operational
base.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=82
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
29 May 2006 01:37:28 AM |
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In message <4dv2b2F1bsve7U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dukn6F1c48rbU1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dt243F1bu493U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it.
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth
me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake
16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much
they sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the
guys who fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those
billion dollar beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly
around the globe on their workdays. What a foolish plane.
The B52s use Diego Garcia, which isn't American.
That must be a recent (past couple years?? perhaps), I don't follow
such things with any fervor. Last I read however was that they
wouldn't allow those POS flying wings to live anywhere but @ home. A
Brit island off of India seems like a decent place to go if you're
blowing the crap out of the middle east.
The B52s have been there for decades, presumably originally to
target the south of the USSR. I don't know about B2s. It's a lot
closer to Iraq and Afghanistan than the USA is. The local population
was evicted to make room for the Americans.
Ah, reading back on your post. They'll stick B-52s all over the place
there's nothing terribly special about it. Big plane, drops bombs. The
B-2 though is expensive in the extreme, has all that fancy stealth
stuff, costs a damn fortune. They're almost too paranoid to use them as
the backlash from getting $1.157 billion dollars shot out of the sky
would be a Bad Thing. It also explains why there's so few of them.
Here we go: Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri is the only operational
base.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=82
They have a long flight to Iraq and back, then. British naval radar
detected them in the successful fighting section of operation Iraq balls
up.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
29 May 2006 03:38:46 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dv2b2F1bsve7U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dukn6F1c48rbU1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <4dt243F1bu493U1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4dsq3mF1c57e0U1@individual.net...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44789aea$0$15591$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i sometimes wonder how Airborne Rangers or residents do it.
very
little sleep, and work 16 hours days. it's just insane. i
realize
that
type of lifestyle is not for everyone. it's simply not worth me,
i'd
just have a heart attack at age 40.
well the military, including pilots, use drugs given to them by
the
military
to keep them awake long beyond a normal day of being awake
16-20 hours.
don't know the name of the drug, but it's basicly speed /
amphetamines
They've taken to Provigil now due to the cognitive "features" of
amphetamines.
Really? That's interesting.
The British military caused some supply problems due to how much
they sucked off the market before heading off to war.
As far as I know it's still pilot's choice as far as drugs or not
however I suspect there's not much choice really. It's also the
guys who fly the B2 bombers that use them. They don't let those
billion dollar beauties stay at any foreign base, so the guys fly
around the globe on their workdays. What a foolish plane.
The B52s use Diego Garcia, which isn't American.
That must be a recent (past couple years?? perhaps), I don't follow
such things with any fervor. Last I read however was that they
wouldn't allow those POS flying wings to live anywhere but @ home. A
Brit island off of India seems like a decent place to go if you're
blowing the crap out of the middle east.
The B52s have been there for decades, presumably originally to
target the south of the USSR. I don't know about B2s. It's a lot
closer to Iraq and Afghanistan than the USA is. The local population
was evicted to make room for the Americans.
Ah, reading back on your post. They'll stick B-52s all over the place
there's nothing terribly special about it. Big plane, drops bombs. The
B-2 though is expensive in the extreme, has all that fancy stealth
stuff, costs a damn fortune. They're almost too paranoid to use them
as the backlash from getting $1.157 billion dollars shot out of the
sky would be a Bad Thing. It also explains why there's so few of them.
Here we go: Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri is the only
operational base.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=82
They have a long flight to Iraq and back, then. British naval radar
detected them in the successful fighting section of operation Iraq balls
up.
It certainly is putting in a long day at the "office".
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| User: "gravity" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
27 May 2006 01:28:27 PM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:9t0eg.2584$ho5.210477@news20.bellglobal.com...
"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
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what should I do, try to stay awake, or go back to sleep ?
I could try to "tough it out" the tiredness, with my dear friend named
COFFEE, or just give in and go sleep for a few hours.
For future reference, listen to your mind and body. You should be getting
at least 8 hours sleep. If you've only had five and you're tired, then
sleep. You can make up for it later when you're feeling better and
stronger. In CBT we were told that sleep used regularly to escape, or
avoid; sleep that interferes in normal daily activity to the detriment of
our families and ourselves, is strongly discouraged. That's a pattern of
behaviour that required re-adjustment, but otherwise, pay attention to
what
your body is telling you. The classes also encouraged the "two hour rule"
so set your alarm. If you're just tired, a couple of hours should give
your
body what it needs, while allowing you to remain in control of your
behaviour. When you're in charge you're on your way to getting your life
back.
i'm sort of scared to have a kid. i think i'd get very little sleep, and i
tend to get crazy on no sleep. this worries me. i think i'll tie my tubes.
having a kid might add some sense of structure to my life, but more likely
i'd crack. i have also realized since age 20, that i simply don't want
kids. having kids when you don't want kids may be foolish.
anyway, sleep, a wonderful thing. occasionally i have a bouts of insomnia,
and i've gone into workplaces with 2 hours of sleep, or sometimes none.
i've had a couple of all nighters last week, had to be up at 6 AM, i'd do my
errands, then sleep a few hours in the afternoon.
i guess to some extent, that insomnia and schizophrenia have upset the
balance of my life. the Seroquel does help, if i take it early, and can get
good sleep, i feel great. if i must get up early, on Seroquel, i'll feel
groggy.
but all nighters do make me a bit pyschotic. i got a good sleep last night,
and i feel wonderful this morning.
Gravity
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Rhi
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
27 May 2006 03:50:07 PM |
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"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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i'm sort of scared to have a kid. i think i'd get very little sleep, and
i
tend to get crazy on no sleep. this worries me. i think i'll tie my
tubes.
having a kid might add some sense of structure to my life, but more likely
i'd crack. i have also realized since age 20, that i simply don't want
kids. having kids when you don't want kids may be foolish.
It's critical to be sure, so if you feel you don't want any go with your
gut. Parental sleep deprivation depends a lot on the baby. Generally it is
the mother whose sleep is interupted, not the father, and NO that is not a
feminist statement on the situation, it is simply what nature intended, and
tired and cranky as I could get at times, I loved getting up, even in the
middle of the night to cuddle and feed baby, so I am not complaining.
Unless a baby is colicky, that period of interupted sleep doesn't last as
long as people might think either. I was lucky. Mine were sleeping a six
hour stretch through the night by two months old and both were breastfed,
but I remember being pretty exhausted and often sleep deprived for the first
year of their lives, so it really does upset the balance. It's funny you'd
say kids might add some structure to your life. For me it was the other way
around. I had far more structure before kids. Seemed to me that all hell
broke loose after kids. But I adored being their mom so it was worth every
moment, sleep deprived or not. The "likely crack" comment is a red flag.
You know you better than anyone. Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't, but
if you aren't sure, don't take any chances. Kids are not a lets try it and
see if it works out kind of decision. Better to not risk it.
anyway, sleep, a wonderful thing. occasionally i have a bouts of
insomnia,
and i've gone into workplaces with 2 hours of sleep, or sometimes none.
i've had a couple of all nighters last week, had to be up at 6 AM, i'd do
my
errands, then sleep a few hours in the afternoon.
i guess to some extent, that insomnia and schizophrenia have upset the
balance of my life. the Seroquel does help, if i take it early, and can
get
good sleep, i feel great. if i must get up early, on Seroquel, i'll feel
groggy.
but all nighters do make me a bit pyschotic. i got a good sleep last
night,
and i feel wonderful this morning.
It's a catch 22 eh? When I'm manic I can't sleep, but sleep deprivation
makes the mania worse. I have been pushed into a horribly hypermanic state
due to sleep deprivation. One option is to rely on a sleep med, which my
pdoc has encouraged, I have refused, and she won't insist on. I already
have enough crap in my system and I don't want to take more drugs. My sleep
patterns have been getting better though and the more regular my sleep, the
less often I cycle, so it all works out in the end. It's scary what a lack
of sleep can do to you though.
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Rhi
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
27 May 2006 01:49:56 PM |
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:dU_dg.18391$fb2.14008@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
what should I do, try to stay awake, or go back to sleep ?
I could try to "tough it out" the tiredness, with my dear friend named
COFFEE, or just give in and go sleep for a few hours.
For future reference, listen to your mind and body. You should be getting
at least 8 hours sleep. If you've only had five and you're tired, then
sleep. You can make up for it later when you're feeling better and
stronger. In CBT we were told that sleep used regularly to escape, or
avoid; sleep that interferes in normal daily activity to the detriment of
our families and ourselves, is strongly discouraged. That's a pattern of
behaviour that required re-adjustment, but otherwise, pay attention to what
your body is telling you. The classes also encouraged the "two hour rule"
so set your alarm. If you're just tired, a couple of hours should give your
body what it needs, while allowing you to remain in control of your
behaviour. When you're in charge you're on your way to getting your life
back.
--
Rhi
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I had 5 hours sleep |
27 May 2006 04:05:25 PM |
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In message <k%0eg.4314$%Z2.430350@news20.bellglobal.com>, Rhiannon
<rhianon@sympatico.ca> writes
"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:dU_dg.18391$fb2.14008@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
what should I do, try to stay awake, or go back to sleep ?
I could try to "tough it out" the tiredness, with my dear friend named
COFFEE, or just give in and go sleep for a few hours.
For future reference, listen to your mind and body. You should be getting
at least 8 hours sleep. If you've only had five and you're tired, then
sleep. You can make up for it later when you're feeling better and
stronger. In CBT we were told that sleep used regularly to escape, or
avoid; sleep that interferes in normal daily activity to the detriment of
our families and ourselves, is strongly discouraged. That's a pattern of
behaviour that required re-adjustment, but otherwise, pay attention to what
your body is telling you. The classes also encouraged the "two hour rule"
so set your alarm. If you're just tired, a couple of hours should give your
body what it needs, while allowing you to remain in control of your
behaviour. When you're in charge you're on your way to getting your life
back.
I get so exhausted that I can't focus my eyes, and there is no way that
any CBT practitioner is going to tell me it's wrong to nap in those
circumstances. "Just" tired!
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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