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08 Jan 2004 02:15:51 PM |
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I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! |
I have never understood why it's against the law to kill myself, and I
know it is after I was tossed into jail for attempting to jump off the
roof of a 30 story building. I was so close too. I got drunk and
managed to get to the roof of this downtown hotel. The door was
locked to the roof, and that's the only reason I did not succeed. I
was kicking the door and had busted a big crack in it when the cops
came. I was arrested, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and tossed in jail.
WHY? I am not a criminal? I just wanted to die. Well, OK, I busted
their door, but if they would have left it unlocked for people like
me, then I would not break it. The next day I was taken to a mental
hospital and had to see all kinds of psychiatrists and other people
who seemed much crazier than myself. I told the police right out that
I wanted to die, but I refused to talk to those psyk. people in the
hospital. No matter what they asked, I just said "get fucked", or
"*****". I ended up staying in that hospital for a week until I
was released (probably because I refused to say anything except "get
fucked, and because I had no insurance). Once again I was back in the
real world looking for other ways to die. They solved nothing, they
just pumped me full of drugs, which I was supposed to take after I was
released, but I threw them away because they made me feel worse.
I do NOT have a right to kill other people or any other creatures.
Doing this SHOULD be against the law of the land.
But, killing myself is totally my right. I own my body, and have a
right to destroy it if I want. Laws against suicide are just plain
assenine. Forcing a person to LIVE, despite their desire to die, is
much more cruel than allowing one to destroy themselves and get it
over.
Sure, I understand that they would have had to clean up my splattered
dead body off the sidewalk if I had jumped, but the cost of that would
have been much less than even one day in the psyk hospital. So dont
tell me its because of the cost to society. Hell, one public servant
who gets paid minimum wage, with a shovel could scoop the remains of
my body into a garbage truck in less than an hour. Plus, a cop would
have to come and fill out a piece of paper.... What's the total cost
of that? $20 maybe.
Next time I will succeed, because I will kill myself where there are
no other people around. The only problem is there are no deserted 30
story buildings. If our society made any sense, there would be places
where people could go to do suicide. They would be out in the middle
of nowhere, and would have a tall building free to use to freely jump
to our deaths. They would have other devices there, and everyone
would know that people going there were going there for one reason.
Instead we live in a society where it's illegal to commit suicide, and
where those of us desiring our deaths must continue to suffer.
Personally, I think the laws that force us to continue living despite
the fact that we want nothing but death, and force us to live in
misery against our own will, is much MUCH worse than those of us who
simply want to take our own lives. Everyone must die sometime, so why
must those of us who want to die sooner, rather than later, be forced
to suffer years of agony, and cost taxpayers huge amounts of money by
forcing suicidal people into psyk hospitals, which from personal
experience, do absolutely nothing except make their patients into
total brainless, feelingless idiots using drugs. Then they fill them
full of the usual lies that these so called "mental health
professionals" all use. Whether it's their false state of positive
thinking, based on nothing but *****, or worse yet their religious
crap, based on nothing but some fantasy called god. Either way, they
do nothing.
I NEVER WANTED THIS LIFE. IT WAS FORCED ON ME. I HAVE A RIGHT TO
KILL MYSELF !
I guess, Society just wants to keep us around so they can kill us off
in Iraq or other wars, and yet THAT IS LEGAL !
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| User: "Luna" |
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09 Jan 2004 11:24:17 AM |
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ElleninFL wrote:
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I
am trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts
of suicide entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead
sought out help (in whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it,
andnot post to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
You are such a fool.
Additionally, I was a psych major in college. Just FYI!
Oh brother.
Jean
ElleninFL
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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09 Jan 2004 12:45:56 PM |
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Luna wrote:
ElleninFL wrote:
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I
am trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts
of suicide entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead
sought out help (in whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it,
andnot post to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
You are such a fool.
No, simply a naïve newbie. Either Ellen'll get the hang of things
hereabouts or she won't, just like anyone else.
She's been here only a few days. Say what you wish to her (yeah, as if
anyone needed permission from me), while giving her some time to figure
things out. Just my pair o' pence (and I think I overestimated the value
there as well).
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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09 Jan 2004 01:10:10 PM |
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"Noon Cat Nick" <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@catlover.com> wrote in message
news:3FFEF6E6.AC4E6794@catlover.com...
Luna wrote:
ElleninFL wrote:
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I
am trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts
of suicide entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead
sought out help (in whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it,
andnot post to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
You are such a fool.
No, simply a naïve newbie. Either Ellen'll get the hang of things
hereabouts or she won't, just like anyone else.
She's been here only a few days. Say what you wish to her (yeah, as if
anyone needed permission from me), while giving her some time to figure
things out. Just my pair o' pence (and I think I overestimated the value
there as well).
how , " unhip "
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| User: "Luna" |
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09 Jan 2004 01:10:27 PM |
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Noon Cat Nick wrote:
Luna wrote:
ElleninFL wrote:
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I
am trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts
of suicide entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead
sought out help (in whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it,
andnot post to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
You are such a fool.
No, simply a naïve newbie. Either Ellen'll get the hang of things
hereabouts or she won't, just like anyone else.
She's been here only a few days. Say what you wish to her (yeah, as if
anyone needed permission from me), while giving her some time to
figure things out. Just my pair o' pence (and I think I overestimated
the value there as well).
Hi Nick.
First time I posted to usenet, i was living in a battered women's
shelter...and I posted on alt.feminism (sort of like soc.men, only even
MORE vicious) looking for support and information.
You can imagine what happened.
Anyway. It's very dangerous (hyperbole? let's just say very ignorant,
that's better) to "know" what is suicidal and what isn't. I got mad.
Some people withdraw, some get angry at everyone and everything, some
tell anyone that'll listen that they're about to off themselves. You
just never really know. (not that you don't know this already cuz i know
you do).
Jean
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| User: "Flashfire" |
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09 Jan 2004 04:57:36 PM |
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Luna wrote:
Noon Cat Nick wrote:
Luna wrote:
ElleninFL wrote:
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what
I am trying to convey. There have been times in my life when
thoughts of suicide entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but
instead sought out help (in whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it,
andnot post to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
You are such a fool.
No, simply a naïve newbie. Either Ellen'll get the hang of things
hereabouts or she won't, just like anyone else.
She's been here only a few days. Say what you wish to her (yeah, as
if anyone needed permission from me), while giving her some time to
figure things out. Just my pair o' pence (and I think I overestimated
the value there as well).
Hi Nick.
First time I posted to usenet, i was living in a battered women's
shelter...and I posted on alt.feminism (sort of like soc.men, only
even MORE vicious) looking for support and information.
You can imagine what happened.
Anyway. It's very dangerous (hyperbole? let's just say very
ignorant, that's better) to "know" what is suicidal and what isn't.
I got mad.
Some people withdraw, some get angry at everyone and everything, some
tell anyone that'll listen that they're about to off themselves. You
just never really know. (not that you don't know this already cuz i
know you do).
Jean
Yep the cry for help thing. I don't know, I really don't. I have worked in
an environment where suicide was common.
Do men who are comtemplating suicide cry for help, not really, they just do
it. Does some who says, if I am not paroled tomorrow I will hang myself, cry
for help. Nope he is just using the system to gain sypmathy.
Does a man who says, if you transfer me to such and such a place, I will
slash up. Then proceeds to cut, putting himself into medical lockup, is he
crying for help.
No he is making a statement and acting upon it to get what he wants.
Pesonally I agree with Mr I want to kill myself.
I have no problem with people killing themselves, it should be our right, we
have no choice to be born, we should be in control enough to end it all when
we want to.
However we do not have the right to damage property to do it, and I think
its totally wrong, to do it in such a way to leave some other poor person to
deal with the trauma, do you know just how traumatic is to find a dead body,
especially of someone who you had been talking to not an hour before hand
fucking hard, let me tell you...and I had no idea he was
suicidal....personally I think suicide is the most selfish, inconsiderate
non caring act anyone can perform. You remove youself from the world and
leave your freinds, loved ones, workmates everyone around you in a pool of
grief and guilt....how many suicides trigger others. How many suicides have
children, who later suicide.
Reading that post, all I can see is anger, not suicide. This person is not
crying for help, he is angry for whatever reason, he will not kill himself,
unless by accident. He is just playing games.
IMHO.
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Regards Lee
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No one is compelled to serve great causes,
unless he feels fit for it.
Sir Winston Churchill
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jan 2004 11:37:14 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:57:36 +1000, "Flashfire" <flashfire@iprimus.com.au>
wrote:
Yep the cry for help thing. I don't know, I really don't. I have worked in
an environment where suicide was common.
Do men who are comtemplating suicide cry for help, not really, they just do
it.
Truthseeker was male, and cried for help for quite some time before laying
down on the train tracks.
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My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get
in the wrong places.
- A. A. Milne (1882-1958)
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| User: "Flashfire" |
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12 Jan 2004 02:26:04 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:57:36 +1000, "Flashfire"
<flashfire@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
Yep the cry for help thing. I don't know, I really don't. I have
worked in an environment where suicide was common.
Do men who are comtemplating suicide cry for help, not really, they
just do it.
Truthseeker was male, and cried for help for quite some time before
laying down on the train tracks.
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My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the
letters get in the wrong places.
- A. A. Milne (1882-1958)
Not knowing who Truthseeker is then I cannot comment. And as I said, I dont
know, and the other comment I made
"Do men who are comtemplating suicide cry for help, not really, they just
do
it."
Did you fail to see the NOT REALLY bit.....yes some suicidal people ask for
help they try to seek out alternatives, but from the successful suicides
that I have known about, no one knew what was going on, not even the trained
professionals who are supposed to know. Or there is the other scenario, the
people who have threatened time and time again to kill themselves and all
that can be done has been done, and they end up killing themselves and not
through lack of help, but through not wanting to help themselves.
--
Regards Lee
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No one is compelled to serve great causes,
unless he feels fit for it.
Sir Winston Churchill
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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13 Jan 2004 06:09:44 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:26:04 +1000, "Flashfire" <flashfire@iprimus.com.au>
wrote:
Not knowing who Truthseeker is then I cannot comment. And as I said, I dont
know, and the other comment I made
"Do men who are comtemplating suicide cry for help, not really, they just
do
it."
Did you fail to see the NOT REALLY bit.....yes some suicidal people ask for
help they try to seek out alternatives, but from the successful suicides
that I have known about, no one knew what was going on, not even the trained
professionals who are supposed to know. Or there is the other scenario, the
people who have threatened time and time again to kill themselves and all
that can be done has been done, and they end up killing themselves and not
through lack of help, but through not wanting to help themselves.
How does the "not really" bit change the statement? In other words, you
are saying that men who contemplate suicide do not really cry for help,
they just do it.
I offered an example of a man on a.s.d. who cried on and on and on and on
before he did it.
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There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
- Robert Heinlein
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| User: "Flashfire" |
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14 Jan 2004 02:57:34 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:26:04 +1000, "Flashfire"
<flashfire@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
Not knowing who Truthseeker is then I cannot comment. And as I said,
I dont know, and the other comment I made
"Do men who are comtemplating suicide cry for help, not really,
they just do it."
Did you fail to see the NOT REALLY bit.....yes some suicidal people
ask for help they try to seek out alternatives, but from the
successful suicides that I have known about, no one knew what was
going on, not even the trained professionals who are supposed to
know. Or there is the other scenario, the people who have threatened
time and time again to kill themselves and all that can be done has
been done, and they end up killing themselves and not through lack
of help, but through not wanting to help themselves.
How does the "not really" bit change the statement? In other words,
you
are saying that men who contemplate suicide do not really cry for
help,
they just do it.
I offered an example of a man on a.s.d. who cried on and on and on
and on before he did it.
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There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
- Robert Heinlein
Forget it, you cannot see the point of what I am saying and I cannot see the
point of what you are saying,
--
Regards Lee
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No one is compelled to serve great causes,
unless he feels fit for it.
Sir Winston Churchill
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| User: "" |
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10 Jan 2004 04:09:44 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:10:27 -0500, "Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com>
wrote:
First time I posted to usenet, i was living in a battered women's
shelter...and I posted on alt.feminism (sort of like soc.men, only even
MORE vicious) looking for support and information.
You can imagine what happened.
From years of experience I have found that newsgroups are not a place
to get help for anything, except computer problems. If your computer
is broke, someone will help. If your life is a mess, you will feel
worse after you ask for help. That's just the way it is !!!
It dont stop there either. Ever tried to get someone to help you on
one of the pet newsgroups, when you dog is sick? Don't waste your
time. All you'll get is flamed for not having 10 live-in
veterinarians assisting, like everyone is wealthy. Most things posted
on newsgroups are a complete waste of time. Which has me asking
myself what I am doing here now ????
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| User: "Luna" |
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11 Jan 2004 07:02:34 PM |
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wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:10:27 -0500, "Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com>
wrote:
First time I posted to usenet, i was living in a battered women's
shelter...and I posted on alt.feminism (sort of like soc.men, only
even MORE vicious) looking for support and information.
You can imagine what happened.
From years of experience I have found that newsgroups are not a place
to get help for anything, except computer problems. If your computer
is broke, someone will help. If your life is a mess, you will feel
worse after you ask for help. That's just the way it is !!!
It dont stop there either. Ever tried to get someone to help you on
one of the pet newsgroups, when you dog is sick? Don't waste your
time. All you'll get is flamed for not having 10 live-in
veterinarians assisting, like everyone is wealthy. Most things posted
on newsgroups are a complete waste of time. Which has me asking
myself what I am doing here now ????
heh, i sort of agree with you. What you're doing here now is passing
time. That's not such a bad thing.
Jean
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| User: "ElleninFL" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:40:19 PM |
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No....I was not. But thank you for your inquiry!
ElleninFL
"ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sSqLb.149746$Dt6.3849740@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I am
trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts of
suicide
entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead sought out help (in
whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it, andnot
post
to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
Additionally, I was a psych major in college. Just FYI!
ElleninFL
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:49:42 PM |
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i'd respond to this ,
but you snipped what i said so i can't ,
but i will ask ,
just what is it that you need support with ,
since it's as you claim , your reason for being here
"ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:79rLb.149807$Dt6.3850732@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
No....I was not. But thank you for your inquiry!
ElleninFL
"ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sSqLb.149746$Dt6.3849740@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I am
trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts of
suicide
entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead sought out help
(in
whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it, andnot
post
to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
Additionally, I was a psych major in college. Just FYI!
ElleninFL
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| User: "Clark" |
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10 Jan 2004 02:23:01 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:20:24 GMT, "ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com>
wrote:
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it, andnot post
to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
past history on this newsgroup proves that little theory of yours
wrong.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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09 Jan 2004 11:01:44 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:20:24 GMT, "ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote:
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it, andnot post
to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
Additionally, I was a psych major in college. Just FYI!
How long have you lurked in a.s.d? Many of us here remember a guy who
consistently, nay relentlessly, posted suicide threats, the last of which
was an ultimatum stating that if he had no girlfriend, and Bush was elected
President, he would kill himself.
Not long after the election in 2000 he did kill himself, never even knowing
how the whole vote fiasco in Florida turned out.
And there have been others in a.s.d that come and gone for good.
Being a psych major, how could you miss that many, many suicides have a
history of mental health issues? Stories from family members stating that
there was no warning of a suicide are touching, but they are more exception
than rule.
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There's a basic human weakness inherent in all people which tempts them to want
what they can't have and not want what is readily available to them.
- Robert J. Ringer
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| User: "Jamal Chapultapec" |
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10 Jan 2004 07:36:36 AM |
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CyberDroog <CyberDroog@anon.com> wrote in
news:14ntvvg0hb9i9ejkt78nvps49lfjidg95e@4ax.com:
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:20:24 GMT, "ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com>
wrote:
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it,
andnot post to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
Additionally, I was a psych major in college. Just FYI!
How long have you lurked in a.s.d? Many of us here remember a guy who
consistently, nay relentlessly, posted suicide threats, the last of
which was an ultimatum stating that if he had no girlfriend, and Bush
was elected President, he would kill himself.
Not long after the election in 2000 he did kill himself, never even
knowing how the whole vote fiasco in Florida turned out.
And there have been others in a.s.d that come and gone for good.
How do you know they KILLED themselves?
Did somebody dig up an obituary or something?
OR is it just assumed because they never came back?
Being a psych major, how could you miss that many, many suicides have
a history of mental health issues? Stories from family members
stating that there was no warning of a suicide are touching, but they
are more exception than rule.
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There's a basic human weakness inherent in all people which tempts
them to want what they can't have and not want what is readily
available to them.
- Robert J. Ringer
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| User: "Rebecca Jo" |
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10 Jan 2004 10:20:16 AM |
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"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote:
How do you know they KILLED themselves?
Did somebody dig up an obituary or something?
yes
OR is it just assumed because they never came back?
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| User: "Jamal Chapultapec" |
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10 Jan 2004 10:17:58 AM |
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"Rebecca Jo" <rebeccajodreams@yahoo.com> wrote in news:btp8hn$9a5tl$1@ID-
175783.news.uni-berlin.de:
"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote:
How do you know they KILLED themselves?
Did somebody dig up an obituary or something?
yes
Huh. Okay. Resourceful folks you are, no?
OR is it just assumed because they never came back?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:30:50 PM |
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were you drunk at these times ?
"ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sSqLb.149746$Dt6.3849740@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I am
trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts of
suicide
entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead sought out help (in
whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it, andnot
post
to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
Additionally, I was a psych major in college. Just FYI!
ElleninFL
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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08 Jan 2004 04:37:00 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:15:51 -0600, ######@########.com wrote:
I have never understood why it's against the law to kill myself, and I
know it is after I was tossed into jail for attempting to jump off the
roof of a 30 story building. I was so close too. I got drunk and
It isn't against the law to kill yourself. You never see anyone charged
with suicide, do you?
managed to get to the roof of this downtown hotel. The door was
locked to the roof, and that's the only reason I did not succeed. I
was kicking the door and had busted a big crack in it when the cops
came. I was arrested, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and tossed in jail.
WHY? I am not a criminal? I just wanted to die. Well, OK, I busted
their door, but if they would have left it unlocked for people like
me, then I would not break it.
Oh, you were arrested for being an *****... Yeah, and if the bank would
leave their vault open for people like me, I'd be rich!
But, killing myself is totally my right. I own my body, and have a
right to destroy it if I want. Laws against suicide are just plain
assenine. Forcing a person to LIVE, despite their desire to die, is
much more cruel than allowing one to destroy themselves and get it
over.
No one is forcing you to live. I guarantee that if you kill yourself, you
will not be thrown in jail.
Next time I will succeed, because I will kill myself where there are
no other people around. The only problem is there are no deserted 30
story buildings. If our society made any sense, there would be places
where people could go to do suicide. They would be out in the middle
of nowhere, and would have a tall building free to use to freely jump
to our deaths. They would have other devices there, and everyone
would know that people going there were going there for one reason.
Apparently you don't know how big the world is... Face it, you are still
alive because you want to be alive. Anybody with more than three brain
cells can kill themselves if they really want to.
WalMart ---> 12 Gauge shotgun (under $200) ---> Pearly Gates (or oblivion).
It's nearly foolproof... though some fools have taken off their faces and
lived. But a good patient aim will take out the brain stem almost
instantly.
Simple. So why isn't it done all the time? Because most people fear death
more than life. Because what they really want is to be happy, not dead.
It's that damn limbic system! Without that we probably could not conceive
of the future, or project ourselves into it.
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Very deep. You should send that into Reader's Digest, they've got a page for
people like you.
- Douglas Adams
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You could use your LEFT as well.
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To reach me by email: transform my account name like IBM -> HAL.
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