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User: ""
Date: 08 Jan 2004 02:15:51 PM
Object: I have a RIGHT to kill myself !
I have never understood why it's against the law to kill myself, and I
know it is after I was tossed into jail for attempting to jump off the
roof of a 30 story building. I was so close too. I got drunk and
managed to get to the roof of this downtown hotel. The door was
locked to the roof, and that's the only reason I did not succeed. I
was kicking the door and had busted a big crack in it when the cops
came. I was arrested, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and tossed in jail.
WHY? I am not a criminal? I just wanted to die. Well, OK, I busted
their door, but if they would have left it unlocked for people like
me, then I would not break it. The next day I was taken to a mental
hospital and had to see all kinds of psychiatrists and other people
who seemed much crazier than myself. I told the police right out that
I wanted to die, but I refused to talk to those psyk. people in the
hospital. No matter what they asked, I just said "get fucked", or
"*****". I ended up staying in that hospital for a week until I
was released (probably because I refused to say anything except "get
fucked, and because I had no insurance). Once again I was back in the
real world looking for other ways to die. They solved nothing, they
just pumped me full of drugs, which I was supposed to take after I was
released, but I threw them away because they made me feel worse.
I do NOT have a right to kill other people or any other creatures.
Doing this SHOULD be against the law of the land.
But, killing myself is totally my right. I own my body, and have a
right to destroy it if I want. Laws against suicide are just plain
assenine. Forcing a person to LIVE, despite their desire to die, is
much more cruel than allowing one to destroy themselves and get it
over.
Sure, I understand that they would have had to clean up my splattered
dead body off the sidewalk if I had jumped, but the cost of that would
have been much less than even one day in the psyk hospital. So dont
tell me its because of the cost to society. Hell, one public servant
who gets paid minimum wage, with a shovel could scoop the remains of
my body into a garbage truck in less than an hour. Plus, a cop would
have to come and fill out a piece of paper.... What's the total cost
of that? $20 maybe.
Next time I will succeed, because I will kill myself where there are
no other people around. The only problem is there are no deserted 30
story buildings. If our society made any sense, there would be places
where people could go to do suicide. They would be out in the middle
of nowhere, and would have a tall building free to use to freely jump
to our deaths. They would have other devices there, and everyone
would know that people going there were going there for one reason.
Instead we live in a society where it's illegal to commit suicide, and
where those of us desiring our deaths must continue to suffer.
Personally, I think the laws that force us to continue living despite
the fact that we want nothing but death, and force us to live in
misery against our own will, is much MUCH worse than those of us who
simply want to take our own lives. Everyone must die sometime, so why
must those of us who want to die sooner, rather than later, be forced
to suffer years of agony, and cost taxpayers huge amounts of money by
forcing suicidal people into psyk hospitals, which from personal
experience, do absolutely nothing except make their patients into
total brainless, feelingless idiots using drugs. Then they fill them
full of the usual lies that these so called "mental health
professionals" all use. Whether it's their false state of positive
thinking, based on nothing but *****, or worse yet their religious
crap, based on nothing but some fantasy called god. Either way, they
do nothing.
I NEVER WANTED THIS LIFE. IT WAS FORCED ON ME. I HAVE A RIGHT TO
KILL MYSELF !
I guess, Society just wants to keep us around so they can kill us off
in Iraq or other wars, and yet THAT IS LEGAL !
.

User: "."

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 09:57:57 PM
wrote...

I have never understood why it's against the law to kill myself, and I
know it is after I was tossed into jail for attempting to jump off the
roof of a 30 story building. I was so close too. I got drunk and
managed to get to the roof of this downtown hotel. The door was
locked to the roof, and that's the only reason I did not succeed. I
was kicking the door and had busted a big crack in it when the cops
came. I was arrested, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and tossed in jail.
WHY? I am not a criminal? I just wanted to die. Well, OK, I busted
their door, but if they would have left it unlocked for people like
me, then I would not break it. The next day I was taken to a mental
hospital and had to see all kinds of psychiatrists and other people
who seemed much crazier than myself. I told the police right out that
I wanted to die, but I refused to talk to those psyk. people in the
hospital. No matter what they asked, I just said "get fucked", or
"*****". I ended up staying in that hospital for a week until I
was released (probably because I refused to say anything except "get
fucked, and because I had no insurance). Once again I was back in the
real world looking for other ways to die. They solved nothing, they
just pumped me full of drugs, which I was supposed to take after I was
released, but I threw them away because they made me feel worse.

I do NOT have a right to kill other people or any other creatures.
Doing this SHOULD be against the law of the land.

But, killing myself is totally my right. I own my body, and have a
right to destroy it if I want. Laws against suicide are just plain
assenine. Forcing a person to LIVE, despite their desire to die, is
much more cruel than allowing one to destroy themselves and get it
over.

Sure, I understand that they would have had to clean up my splattered
dead body off the sidewalk if I had jumped, but the cost of that would
have been much less than even one day in the psyk hospital. So dont
tell me its because of the cost to society. Hell, one public servant
who gets paid minimum wage, with a shovel could scoop the remains of
my body into a garbage truck in less than an hour. Plus, a cop would
have to come and fill out a piece of paper.... What's the total cost
of that? $20 maybe.

Next time I will succeed, because I will kill myself where there are
no other people around. The only problem is there are no deserted 30
story buildings. If our society made any sense, there would be places
where people could go to do suicide. They would be out in the middle
of nowhere, and would have a tall building free to use to freely jump
to our deaths. They would have other devices there, and everyone
would know that people going there were going there for one reason.

Instead we live in a society where it's illegal to commit suicide, and
where those of us desiring our deaths must continue to suffer.
Personally, I think the laws that force us to continue living despite

AFAIK it's not illegal to kill yourself (at least here), but it is
illegal to bust someone else's door. You were probably arrested for
that.
--
Regards,
..
.

User: "Indigo Moon Man"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 05:45:08 PM
######@########.com <######@########.com> spake thusly:


I have never understood why it's against the law to kill myself, and I
know it is after I was tossed into jail for attempting to jump off the
roof of a 30 story building. I was so close too. I got drunk and
managed to get to the roof of this downtown hotel. The door was
locked to the roof, and that's the only reason I did not succeed. I
was kicking the door and had busted a big crack in it when the cops
came. I was arrested, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and tossed in jail.
WHY? I am not a criminal? I just wanted to die. Well, OK, I busted

I'd say you were arrested for tresspassing and vandalism, not for a suicide
attempt.
--
For I determined not to know any thing among
you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2
.
User: ""

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 06:12:22 PM
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:45:08 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:

I'd say you were arrested for tresspassing and vandalism, not for a suicide
attempt.

I was never charged with anything about the door, only for attempted
suicide, and alas they sent me to the psyk hospital.

--
For I determined not to know any thing among
you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2

Jesus Christ, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are
ALL fantasys. There is NO GOD !!!!
If you disagree, PROVE there is a god. Please attach binary photos of
god if necessary.
.
User: "Indigo Moon Man"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 07:00:44 PM
######@########.com <######@########.com> spake thusly:


On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:45:08 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:

I'd say you were arrested for tresspassing and vandalism, not for a
suicide attempt.


I was never charged with anything about the door, only for attempted
suicide, and alas they sent me to the psyk hospital.

Did they make you pay for the property damage?
--
For I determined not to know any thing among
you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2
.

User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 07:39:48 PM
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:12:22 -0600, ######@########.com wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:45:08 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:

I'd say you were arrested for tresspassing and vandalism, not for a suicide
attempt.


I was never charged with anything about the door, only for attempted
suicide, and alas they sent me to the psyk hospital.

An agreeable side-effect of being considered a loon... If the disturbance
isn't too outrageous they will often decline to press any other charges.
Actually you weren't arrested at all. In most states such a process is
termed along the lines of "Taking into Protective Custody". I imagine that
might have had something to do with *you* raving about wanting to die.
I'm amazed at the number of people who rave to the police about wanting to
die, and then have the nerve to wonder why they are tossed in a psych ward.
Duh... You could have just said you wanted to see what the roof was like.
---
LAZINESS, n. Unwarranted repose of manner in a person of low degree.
- Ambrose Bierce
.



User: "Criswell The Psychic Weatherman"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 04:59:22 PM
######@########.com wrote:

I have never understood why it's against the law to kill myself, and I
know it is after I was tossed into jail for attempting to jump off the
roof of a 30 story building. I was so close too. I got drunk and
managed to get to the roof of this downtown hotel. The door was
locked to the roof, and that's the only reason I did not succeed. I
was kicking the door and had busted a big crack in it when the cops
came. I was arrested, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and tossed in jail.
WHY? I am not a criminal? I just wanted to die. Well, OK, I busted
their door, but if they would have left it unlocked for people like
me, then I would not break it. The next day I was taken to a mental
hospital and had to see all kinds of psychiatrists and other people
who seemed much crazier than myself. I told the police right out that
I wanted to die, but I refused to talk to those psyk. people in the
hospital. No matter what they asked, I just said "get fucked", or
"*****". I ended up staying in that hospital for a week until I
was released (probably because I refused to say anything except "get
fucked, and because I had no insurance). Once again I was back in the
real world looking for other ways to die. They solved nothing, they
just pumped me full of drugs, which I was supposed to take after I was
released, but I threw them away because they made me feel worse.

I do NOT have a right to kill other people or any other creatures.
Doing this SHOULD be against the law of the land.

But, killing myself is totally my right. I own my body, and have a
right to destroy it if I want. Laws against suicide are just plain
assenine. Forcing a person to LIVE, despite their desire to die, is
much more cruel than allowing one to destroy themselves and get it
over.

Sure, I understand that they would have had to clean up my splattered
dead body off the sidewalk if I had jumped, but the cost of that would
have been much less than even one day in the psyk hospital. So dont
tell me its because of the cost to society. Hell, one public servant
who gets paid minimum wage, with a shovel could scoop the remains of
my body into a garbage truck in less than an hour. Plus, a cop would
have to come and fill out a piece of paper.... What's the total cost
of that? $20 maybe.

Next time I will succeed, because I will kill myself where there are
no other people around. The only problem is there are no deserted 30
story buildings. If our society made any sense, there would be places
where people could go to do suicide. They would be out in the middle
of nowhere, and would have a tall building free to use to freely jump
to our deaths. They would have other devices there, and everyone
would know that people going there were going there for one reason.

Instead we live in a society where it's illegal to commit suicide, and
where those of us desiring our deaths must continue to suffer.
Personally, I think the laws that force us to continue living despite
the fact that we want nothing but death, and force us to live in
misery against our own will, is much MUCH worse than those of us who
simply want to take our own lives. Everyone must die sometime, so why
must those of us who want to die sooner, rather than later, be forced
to suffer years of agony, and cost taxpayers huge amounts of money by
forcing suicidal people into psyk hospitals, which from personal
experience, do absolutely nothing except make their patients into
total brainless, feelingless idiots using drugs. Then they fill them
full of the usual lies that these so called "mental health
professionals" all use. Whether it's their false state of positive
thinking, based on nothing but *****, or worse yet their religious
crap, based on nothing but some fantasy called god. Either way, they
do nothing.

I NEVER WANTED THIS LIFE. IT WAS FORCED ON ME. I HAVE A RIGHT TO
KILL MYSELF !

I guess, Society just wants to keep us around so they can kill us off
in Iraq or other wars, and yet THAT IS LEGAL !

You're missing the point of the law, but I've explained that in other
posts before. Cyberdroog is correct. Deep down, you really want to live,
or you would've been successful.
--
"A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses;
it is an idea that possesses the mind." Robert Bolton
Criswell The Psychic Weatherman
ssenate@mindless.com
.
User: ""

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 06:06:37 PM
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:59:22 GMT, Criswell The Psychic Weatherman
<ssenate@mindless.com> wrote:

You're missing the point of the law, but I've explained that in other
posts before. Cyberdroog is correct. Deep down, you really want to live,
or you would've been successful.
--

*****. I didnt climb 30 flights of stairs for nothing. I knew
taking the elevator would get me noticed. It was that damn door that
kept me from succeeding.
.
User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 07:32:00 PM
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:06:37 -0600, ######@########.com wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:59:22 GMT, Criswell The Psychic Weatherman
<ssenate@mindless.com> wrote:

You're missing the point of the law, but I've explained that in other
posts before. Cyberdroog is correct. Deep down, you really want to live,
or you would've been successful.
--


*****. I didnt climb 30 flights of stairs for nothing. I knew
taking the elevator would get me noticed. It was that damn door that
kept me from succeeding.

Ah... taking the elevator would get you noticed, but trying to kick down a
door was an act of stealth?
---
MESMERISM, n. Hypnotism before it wore good clothes, kept a carriage and asked
Incredulity to dinner.
- Ambrose Bierce
.



User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 02:48:17 PM
<######@########.com> wrote in message
news:ridrvvoti93t7i4u1db997j4htt63teaop@4ax.com...

I have never understood why it's against the law to kill myself, and I
know it is after I was tossed into jail for attempting to jump off the
roof of a 30 story building. I was so close too. I got drunk and
managed to get to the roof of this downtown hotel. The door was
locked to the roof, and that's the only reason I did not succeed. I
was kicking the door and had busted a big crack in it when the cops
came. I was arrested, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and tossed in jail.
WHY? I am not a criminal? I just wanted to die. Well, OK, I busted
their door, but if they would have left it unlocked for people like
me, then I would not break it. The next day I was taken to a mental
hospital and had to see all kinds of psychiatrists and other people
who seemed much crazier than myself. I told the police right out that
I wanted to die, but I refused to talk to those psyk. people in the
hospital. No matter what they asked, I just said "get fucked", or
"*****". I ended up staying in that hospital for a week until I
was released (probably because I refused to say anything except "get
fucked, and because I had no insurance). Once again I was back in the
real world looking for other ways to die. They solved nothing, they
just pumped me full of drugs, which I was supposed to take after I was
released, but I threw them away because they made me feel worse.

I do NOT have a right to kill other people or any other creatures.
Doing this SHOULD be against the law of the land.

But, killing myself is totally my right. I own my body, and have a
right to destroy it if I want. Laws against suicide are just plain
assenine. Forcing a person to LIVE, despite their desire to die, is
much more cruel than allowing one to destroy themselves and get it
over.

Sure, I understand that they would have had to clean up my splattered
dead body off the sidewalk if I had jumped, but the cost of that would
have been much less than even one day in the psyk hospital. So dont
tell me its because of the cost to society. Hell, one public servant
who gets paid minimum wage, with a shovel could scoop the remains of
my body into a garbage truck in less than an hour. Plus, a cop would
have to come and fill out a piece of paper.... What's the total cost
of that? $20 maybe.

Next time I will succeed, because I will kill myself where there are
no other people around. The only problem is there are no deserted 30
story buildings. If our society made any sense, there would be places
where people could go to do suicide. They would be out in the middle
of nowhere, and would have a tall building free to use to freely jump
to our deaths. They would have other devices there, and everyone
would know that people going there were going there for one reason.

Instead we live in a society where it's illegal to commit suicide, and
where those of us desiring our deaths must continue to suffer.
Personally, I think the laws that force us to continue living despite
the fact that we want nothing but death, and force us to live in
misery against our own will, is much MUCH worse than those of us who
simply want to take our own lives. Everyone must die sometime, so why
must those of us who want to die sooner, rather than later, be forced
to suffer years of agony, and cost taxpayers huge amounts of money by
forcing suicidal people into psyk hospitals, which from personal
experience, do absolutely nothing except make their patients into
total brainless, feelingless idiots using drugs. Then they fill them
full of the usual lies that these so called "mental health
professionals" all use. Whether it's their false state of positive
thinking, based on nothing but *****, or worse yet their religious
crap, based on nothing but some fantasy called god. Either way, they
do nothing.

I NEVER WANTED THIS LIFE. IT WAS FORCED ON ME. I HAVE A RIGHT TO
KILL MYSELF !

I guess, Society just wants to keep us around so they can kill us off
in Iraq or other wars, and yet THAT IS LEGAL !

you have the right to kill yourself , they only charge you with a crime if
you don't do it right
.
User: "Cindy Lou Who"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 06:50:52 PM
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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<######@########.com> wrote in message
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I NEVER WANTED THIS LIFE. IT WAS FORCED ON ME. I HAVE A RIGHT TO
KILL MYSELF !

I guess, Society just wants to keep us around so they can kill us off
in Iraq or other wars, and yet THAT IS LEGAL !



you have the right to kill yourself , they only charge you with a crime if
you don't do it right

Another good insight. I never really thought about it that way.
.
User: "Criswell The Psychic Weatherman"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 09 Jan 2004 03:33:33 PM
Cindy Lou Who wrote:

"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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<######@########.com> wrote in message
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I NEVER WANTED THIS LIFE. IT WAS FORCED ON ME. I HAVE A RIGHT TO
KILL MYSELF !

I guess, Society just wants to keep us around so they can kill us off
in Iraq or other wars, and yet THAT IS LEGAL !



you have the right to kill yourself , they only charge you with a crime if
you don't do it right


Another good insight. I never really thought about it that way.

I don't know if I'm right, but this is my take on the "suicide is illegal"
issue. If you're determined, such a law is certainly not going to stop you.
Therefore, the law is not written to prevent you from attempting. So, there
must be something else there. And I think I found that something else. Such a
law requires police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, etc, to take action to
prevent you from attempting. While some would stand in awe, others would yell
"JUMP!", the police and firefighters are REQUIRED BY LAW to stop you.
Technically, when suicide is illegal, this is more binding on public servants
than on you.
You should consider yourself lucky you weren't arrested for tresspass, property
damage, etc. Then you'd have a criminal record. Instead, you have a medical
record, which in most places is a near certain guarantee of privacy.
The elevator would've been far less noticable. Everybody takes elevators. You
took the stairs. You tried to break down the door. You wanted to be noticed.
You cried for help. And it was answered.
You want proof that God exists? You're alive. Isn't that proof enough for you?
--
"A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses;
it is an idea that possesses the mind." Robert Bolton
Criswell The Psychic Weatherman
ssenate@mindless.com
.



User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 03:54:56 PM
I've always said that sucide is the most beautiful thing a person could do.
.
User: "ElleninFL"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 10:36:42 PM
Oh....there's a good thing to say to a suicidal person. Who the heck are
you...Dr. Kevorkian?
People who say they want to kill themselves in a open forum are crying out
for help! They do not REALLY want to do it. To anyone with these feelings of
suicide...PLEASE do not listen to the inconsiderate trolls here. Find help
and that help will bring you happiness. It may not come instantly, but have
faith that it will come!
ElleninFL
.
User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 09 Jan 2004 05:24:10 AM
"ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote in
news:udqLb.149609$Dt6.3846449@twister.tampabay.rr.com:

Oh....there's a good thing to say to a suicidal person. Who the heck
are you...Dr. Kevorkian?

Just a person who thinks differently from others.

People who say they want to kill themselves in a open forum are crying
out for help! They do not REALLY want to do it. To anyone with these
feelings of suicide...PLEASE do not listen to the inconsiderate trolls
here.

And you're obviously someone who doesn't think at all.

Find help and that help will bring you happiness. It may not
come instantly, but have faith that it will come!

Faith?
Oh goodness, "doesn't think at all" was far too kind for you.
Anyone can continue living no matter how bad the situation. It's a
biological imperative. It also means that perseverance is like a monkey.
A REAL human can exert the power of their will and end their life in
defiance of simple biology. I'd say that people who commit suicide are
probably the most advanced humans on this planet.
.
User: "."

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 09 Jan 2004 07:54:21 PM
Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

Faith?
Oh goodness, "doesn't think at all" was far too kind for you.

Anyone can continue living no matter how bad the situation. It's a
biological imperative. It also means that perseverance is like a monkey.

A REAL human can exert the power of their will and end their life in
defiance of simple biology. I'd say that people who commit suicide are
probably the most advanced humans on this planet.

Question: Where do you think this "will" comes from?
Answer: From the "simple biology".
--
Regards,
..
.
User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 10 Jan 2004 07:47:52 AM
.. <sdf329ds93s999990sx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1a6a065c64a9d3359896ac@News.CIS.DFN.DE:

Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

Faith?
Oh goodness, "doesn't think at all" was far too kind for you.

Anyone can continue living no matter how bad the situation. It's a
biological imperative. It also means that perseverance is like a monkey.

A REAL human can exert the power of their will and end their life in
defiance of simple biology. I'd say that people who commit suicide are
probably the most advanced humans on this planet.


Question: Where do you think this "will" comes from?
Answer: From the "simple biology".

There's a suicide gene? Wow. One wouldn't expect there'd be an evolutionary
advantage to that.
Is there a French-speaking gene, too?
.
User: "."

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 11 Jan 2004 08:33:42 AM
Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

A REAL human can exert the power of their will and end their life in
defiance of simple biology. I'd say that people who commit suicide are
probably the most advanced humans on this planet.

You have no evidence to suggest that:
1) People who don't exert their will to end their life aren't real
humans.
2) People who kill themselves are the most advanced (or even probably
the most advanced, or even *possibly* the most advanced) humans on the
planet.
--
Regards,
..
.
User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 11 Jan 2004 03:43:45 PM
.. <sdf329ds93s999990sx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1a6c09d2f18eeb8c9896b0@News.CIS.DFN.DE:

Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

A REAL human can exert the power of their will and end their life in
defiance of simple biology. I'd say that people who commit suicide are
probably the most advanced humans on this planet.


You have no evidence to suggest that:
1) People who don't exert their will to end their life aren't real
humans.

They're slaves to their biology. I'd like a think a real human can rise
above that.

2) People who kill themselves are the most advanced (or even probably
the most advanced, or even *possibly* the most advanced) humans on the
planet.

Other than the fact that they liberated themselves from their base
biological imperatives? No, I guess not.
.
User: "."

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 11 Jan 2004 07:49:08 PM
Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

They're slaves to their biology. I'd like a think a real human can rise
above that.

You're separating "them" from "their biology".

Other than the fact that they liberated themselves from their base
biological imperatives? No, I guess not.

Are you assuming that killing yourself is the only way to "liberate
yourself" from your "base biological imperative"?
--
Regards,
..
.
User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 12 Jan 2004 07:53:35 PM
.. <sdf329ds93s999990sx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1a6ca81fd098c2b69896b2@News.CIS.DFN.DE:

Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

They're slaves to their biology. I'd like a think a real human can rise
above that.


You're separating "them" from "their biology".

Fine. Fine. "Base biological imperatives."

Other than the fact that they liberated themselves from their base
biological imperatives? No, I guess not.


Are you assuming that killing yourself is the only way to "liberate
yourself" from your "base biological imperative"?

The only other one I can think of is to have no sex drive.
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User: "."

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 12 Jan 2004 08:40:57 PM
Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

The only other one I can think of is to have no sex drive.


What about not having kids?
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User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 12 Jan 2004 09:02:03 PM
.. <sdf329ds93s999990sx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

The only other one I can think of is to have no sex drive.


What about not having kids?

Eh. I consider that a cheat. You're still having sex. Even if the intent
isn't there, the act for that purpose is being performed.
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User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 12 Jan 2004 09:12:59 PM
"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
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. <sdf329ds93s999990sx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

The only other one I can think of is to have no sex drive.


What about not having kids?


Eh. I consider that a cheat. You're still having sex. Even if the intent
isn't there, the act for that purpose is being performed.

i assure you that i occasionally have sex in a non child producing way
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User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 12 Jan 2004 10:11:58 PM
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"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
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. <sdf329ds93s999990sx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

The only other one I can think of is to have no sex drive.


What about not having kids?


Eh. I consider that a cheat. You're still having sex. Even if the intent
isn't there, the act for that purpose is being performed.



i assure you that i occasionally have sex in a non child producing way

I'm sure you do!
But then, so do the monkeys.
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User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 12 Jan 2004 10:24:54 PM
"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in news:1006oi3jg6cb629@corp.supernews.com:


"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
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. <sdf329ds93s999990sx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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Jamal Chapultapec wrote...

The only other one I can think of is to have no sex drive.


What about not having kids?


Eh. I consider that a cheat. You're still having sex. Even if the

intent

isn't there, the act for that purpose is being performed.



i assure you that i occasionally have sex in a non child producing way


I'm sure you do!

But then, so do the monkeys.

well that means monkeys and i both do something you never do ,
we touch members of the opposite sex
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User: "Franz Bestuchev"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 09 Jan 2004 07:04:22 AM
Jamal Chapultapec wrote:

"ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote in
news:udqLb.149609$Dt6.3846449@twister.tampabay.rr.com:


Oh....there's a good thing to say to a suicidal person. Who the heck
are you...Dr. Kevorkian?



Just a person who thinks differently from others.


People who say they want to kill themselves in a open forum are crying
out for help! They do not REALLY want to do it. To anyone with these
feelings of suicide...PLEASE do not listen to the inconsiderate trolls
here.


I agree, should I become legitimately suicidal it will be between me and
the voices. A public forum, and especially usenet allows people to reach
out...begins step 0.25 on the many steps to feeling like life is not
disposable and the current problem can be worked on...

And you're obviously someone who doesn't think at all.


Find help and that help will bring you happiness. It may not
come instantly, but have faith that it will come!



Faith?
Oh goodness, "doesn't think at all" was far too kind for you.

Anyone can continue living no matter how bad the situation. It's a
biological imperative. It also means that perseverance is like a monkey.

Wow, I'd have totally jumped you on that a while ago, now I'd just like
to check if you've made any progress on moving out of your own "bad
situation"?

A REAL human can exert the power of their will and end their life in
defiance of simple biology. I'd say that people who commit suicide are
probably the most advanced humans on this planet.

Advanced? No, but I would say that if they are at a point where there's
a cyanide capsule between the molars, then they're probably among the
most able to determine their future in an immediacy.
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User: "Jamal Chapultapec"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 09 Jan 2004 07:16:14 PM
Nice try, but still no cigar.
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User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 09 Jan 2004 10:52:56 AM
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:36:42 GMT, "ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote:

People who say they want to kill themselves in a open forum are crying out
for help! They do not REALLY want to do it. To anyone with these feelings of
suicide...PLEASE do not listen to the inconsiderate trolls here. Find help
and that help will bring you happiness. It may not come instantly, but have
faith that it will come!

Let's face it, happiness may never come. We have to be honest and accept
that possibility.
---
The Hitch Hiker's Guide has not been an opera. It has however been a tapestry,
if you count a woven bath towel as a tapestry.
- Douglas Adams
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User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 10:41:43 PM
where did you get your training in how to deal with suicidal people
"ElleninFL" <justme@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:udqLb.149609$Dt6.3846449@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

Oh....there's a good thing to say to a suicidal person. Who the heck are
you...Dr. Kevorkian?

People who say they want to kill themselves in a open forum are crying out
for help! They do not REALLY want to do it. To anyone with these feelings

of

suicide...PLEASE do not listen to the inconsiderate trolls here. Find help
and that help will bring you happiness. It may not come instantly, but

have

faith that it will come!

ElleninFL


.
User: "ElleninFL"

Title: Re: I have a RIGHT to kill myself ! 08 Jan 2004 11:20:24 PM
I have no training other than my own life experinces. This is what I am
trying to convey. There have been times in my life when thoughts of suicide
entered jmy brain. I did not act on them, but instead sought out help (in
whatever form I could find.)
If someone TRULY wanted to commit suicide they would just do it, andnot post
to a newsgroup. Can't you recognize a cry for help?
Additionally, I was a psych major in college. Just FYI!
ElleninFL
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