This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
Jane
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14 Aug 2007 09:21:18 AM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187099963.640792.55960@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
i've been feeling pretty much the same way, janey. i just didn't know how
to put it into words. but you've done a beautiful job!
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14 Aug 2007 09:26:45 AM |
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On Aug 14, 10:21 am, "used2be" <used...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187099963.640792.55960@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
i've been feeling pretty much the same way, janey. i just didn't know how
to put it into words. but you've done a beautiful job!- Hide quoted text -
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Well I "try" to stay out of the mix...
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14 Aug 2007 10:09:33 AM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187101605.086719.167400@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 10:21 am, "used2be" <used...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187099963.640792.55960@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
i've been feeling pretty much the same way, janey. i just didn't know
how
to put it into words. but you've done a beautiful job!- Hide quoted
text -
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Well I "try" to stay out of the mix...
me too, sistah...me too.
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| User: "bunny" |
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14 Aug 2007 11:40:04 AM |
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"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:46c1c5a4$0$4841$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187101605.086719.167400@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 10:21 am, "used2be" <used...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187099963.640792.55960@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
i've been feeling pretty much the same way, janey. i just didn't know
how
to put it into words. but you've done a beautiful job!- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
Well I "try" to stay out of the mix...
me too, sistah...me too.
Ruh roh. Have people been fighting again? (I know, it's asd, why am I
even asking!) Hiya girlies. Once again I have no idea what's going on
around here, but it's awfully good to get new posts and see two of my very
favourite people on the planet hanging out. Is it safe to go into the water
or should I duck out again and come back later? Are the sharks out?
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| User: "used2be" |
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14 Aug 2007 03:19:32 PM |
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"bunny" <bunny@NOSPAMblarg.net> wrote in message
news:46c1d9fe$0$30656$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:46c1c5a4$0$4841$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187101605.086719.167400@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 10:21 am, "used2be" <used...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187099963.640792.55960@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and
in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not
about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that
his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to
me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit
pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it
only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
i've been feeling pretty much the same way, janey. i just didn't know
how
to put it into words. but you've done a beautiful job!- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
Well I "try" to stay out of the mix...
me too, sistah...me too.
Ruh roh. Have people been fighting again? (I know, it's asd, why am I
even asking!) Hiya girlies. Once again I have no idea what's going on
around here, but it's awfully good to get new posts and see two of my very
favourite people on the planet hanging out. Is it safe to go into the
water
or should I duck out again and come back later? Are the sharks out?
heya bunnster!!!!!! *hugs*
it's just typical ASD stuff, bunny. nothing to get too upset about. :)
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| User: "Jane" |
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14 Aug 2007 12:11:32 PM |
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On Aug 14, 12:40 pm, "bunny" <bu...@NOSPAMblarg.net> wrote:
"used2be" <used...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:46c1c5a4$0$4841$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187101605.086719.167400@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 10:21 am, "used2be" <used...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187099963.640792.55960@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
i've been feeling pretty much the same way, janey. i just didn't know
how
to put it into words. but you've done a beautiful job!- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
Well I "try" to stay out of the mix...
me too, sistah...me too.
Ruh roh. Have people been fighting again? (I know, it's asd, why am I
even asking!) Hiya girlies. Once again I have no idea what's going on
around here, but it's awfully good to get new posts and see two of my very
favourite people on the planet hanging out. Is it safe to go into the water
or should I duck out again and come back later? Are the sharks out?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
OMG Girl you're always welcome in the water, the deep end or the
shallow. If ya can't swim well I just happen to have a life raft with
your name on it!!!!
Nice to see you posting hunny!
Jane
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14 Aug 2007 12:53:15 PM |
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Hey sweet girl! I'm all mixed up about where you are in the
treatment/recovery phase of everything. Are you still getting treatments or
are you back home recovering? What's going on? Do you have a web spot
where I should go to find out how things are with you? How ARE you?!
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| User: "Jane" |
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14 Aug 2007 01:10:23 PM |
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On Aug 14, 1:53 pm, "bunny" <bu...@NOSPAMblarg.net> wrote:
Hey sweet girl! I'm all mixed up about where you are in the
treatment/recovery phase of everything. Are you still getting treatments or
are you back home recovering? What's going on? Do you have a web spot
where I should go to find out how things are with you? How ARE you?!
Hi luvy
Naw no web spot to catch up from. I'm done with the current treatment
and back to work. Recovery was only a week at home. I go back in at
the end of the month for Thyroid Hormone blood test, then I go back in
January for TgAb (Tumor Marker) blood test. The radiation can
continue to destroy Thyroid Cancer for about 6 months so having the
blood test now really doesn't hold a true picture in 6 months.
I feel pretty good, just tired, I'm thinking I might be overloaded on
Thyroid Meds and those will be adjusted at the end of the month
depending on my blood test. Well you know, doctors, test, no answers,
sometimes answer, more test, hurry up and wait!!!
Other then that how the heck are you my dear!!!!
Jane
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14 Aug 2007 11:50:50 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:40:04 -0700, "bunny" <bunny@NOSPAMblarg.net>
wrote:
Is it safe to go into the water
or should I duck out again and come back later? Are the sharks out?
I haven't been back that long myself, but it doesn't seem as bad as
years ago...
TT
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Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option
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| User: "bunny" |
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14 Aug 2007 12:12:26 PM |
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"Truly Truls" <truly.truls@blahbblah.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9n3c3praedfbmuj7sf0867u4d0320scjm@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:40:04 -0700, "bunny" <bunny@NOSPAMblarg.net>
wrote:
Is it safe to go into the water
or should I duck out again and come back later? Are the sharks out?
I haven't been back that long myself, but it doesn't seem as bad as
years ago...
Trudy! Seeing you here just made the jolly factor rise considerably for me,
so thanks! I actually thought of you a couple of nights ago when Fred and I
were watching TV and an ad for a show about cows came on. There were all
these pictures of cow noses, and I remembered how you and Fred used to talk
about cows, and he talked about sticking his fingers in the cow's noses to
lead them when they didn't want to come. When he first told me that years
ago I said poor cows, that sounds awful!, and he said no it isn't, I should
just ask you if I didn't believe him because Trudy knows about cows. So now
you are inextricably associated in my mind with Knowing About Cows, and
being sort of a cow whisperer. Which is totally groovy because I love cows,
even though I realize this could all be in my mind, and I'm sure you are a
whisperer of many other things uncowish. Please pretend with me that is a
word, uncowish, because I have backed myself into a weird place in this
paragraph, when what I really wanted to say is, it is mighty nice to see you
and you are associated with all good things in my mind. HI TRUDY!
TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option
I like this sig line. You could take it sociologically or Star Trekishly.
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14 Aug 2007 10:52:43 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:12:26 -0700, "bunny" <bunny@NOSPAMblarg.net>
wrote:
"Truly Truls" <truly.truls@blahbblah.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9n3c3praedfbmuj7sf0867u4d0320scjm@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:40:04 -0700, "bunny" <bunny@NOSPAMblarg.net>
wrote:
Is it safe to go into the water
or should I duck out again and come back later? Are the sharks out?
I haven't been back that long myself, but it doesn't seem as bad as
years ago...
Trudy! Seeing you here just made the jolly factor rise considerably for me,
so thanks! I actually thought of you a couple of nights ago when Fred and I
were watching TV and an ad for a show about cows came on. There were all
these pictures of cow noses, and I remembered how you and Fred used to talk
about cows, and he talked about sticking his fingers in the cow's noses to
lead them when they didn't want to come. When he first told me that years
ago I said poor cows, that sounds awful!, and he said no it isn't, I should
just ask you if I didn't believe him because Trudy knows about cows. So now
you are inextricably associated in my mind with Knowing About Cows, and
being sort of a cow whisperer. Which is totally groovy because I love cows,
even though I realize this could all be in my mind, and I'm sure you are a
whisperer of many other things uncowish. Please pretend with me that is a
word, uncowish, because I have backed myself into a weird place in this
paragraph, when what I really wanted to say is, it is mighty nice to see you
and you are associated with all good things in my mind. HI TRUDY!
TT
--
Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option
I like this sig line. You could take it sociologically or Star Trekishly.
Hi! There is something definitely fulfilling about being remembered.
Thank you for that, and please say hello to Fred for me.
As to the cows, well, when you've got a loose one, sometimes the only
way to get them back to the barn is put an arm around their neck and
grab hold of their nostrils with your other hand. They don't have
convenient handles like the forelocks of horses! Sometimes that
doesn't work, either, but if they're at all tame, it's worth a try.
They actually make "nose tongs" for leading bulls or restraining cows
- they're blunt pincers that take their mind off whatever it is that
needs doing that they might not otherwise want to stand still for...
kind of like a twitch for a horse. They don't hurt, just give them
something else to think about.
I don't have cattle any more, unfortunately. Didn't have any animals
at all for 3 years after I lost Allis the wonder dawg. I'd like to
have a team of steers again someday, but I've got to dig myself out of
my current financial hole (thank you very much, health insurance
industry).
Tru [the gender neutral Tru(dy)]
TT
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Moving Beyond the Binary Gender Option
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14 Aug 2007 05:13:37 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:40:04 -0700, "bunny" <bunny@NOSPAMblarg.net>
wrote:
Ruh roh. Have people been fighting again? (I know, it's asd, why am I
even asking!) Hiya girlies. Once again I have no idea what's going on
around here, but it's awfully good to get new posts and see two of my very
favourite people on the planet hanging out. Is it safe to go into the water
or should I duck out again and come back later? Are the sharks out?
that's not a shark, that's my cat!
oh. wait.
hi bunny!
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http://shattering.org
x-no-archive:yes in headers
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14 Aug 2007 11:27:00 AM |
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On Aug 14, 6:59 am, Jane <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is directed at whoever wants to feel it's directed at them.
I happen to like %, I don't like some of his behaviors, but for the
most part I like % and will continue to converse with him here and in
email. I won't make excuses for his behaviors and I don't want any
made for mine, I own them, weather he chooses to own his are his
choices not mine.
When the sociopath post was made I read it and figured it's not about
me I'm staying out of it. I woke up this morning and felt the same
way, but I did take offense to one particular follow up phrase "A
sociopath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side"
because it felt blatantly directed at the people here who converse
with and still accept and like him. I'm not a complete fool nor are
many who converse with % and I like % and I know there will come a
time when I am a target of his and it wouldn't be the first time nor
will it probably be the last and I accept this and by saying that his
"charm" will trick me into still being his friend is an insult to me.
I'm not defending % now, I'm defending myself and I feel a bit pissed
that I even have to. Please direct your anger/insults and comments
towards him not those of us who chose to be friends with him, it only
alienates you from those who consider you a friend as well. This
isn't high school anymore and I don't want to belong to the popular
crowd or the less popular crowd if that may be the case, I belong to
me, my choices are mine and I own them.
Nuff Said
Jane
First of all my post wasn't even directed specifically at %. I had
him in mind when I looked up the article, that's true, but when I made
the post I was sharing information that I did find enlightening, not
just in reference to % but in general. I never mentioned him
specifically. His first comment to me was,"ok , so you've identified
yourself , now what are you going to do" Just as he says similar
things to me, how did he know I was directing the post towards him? I
had issues with him before but the night he attacked Mark with post
after post after post taunting him about suicide that was the last
straw for me. I could begin to let that go if he would accept any
responsibility for it and merely apologize but he refuses to do so.
There are many people who have been hurt and even left asd because of
his posts, and those are only the ones I know about. I feel like his
comments are sometimes glossed over more than they would be if it was
someone else posting them and some choose to look the other way rather
than confront him, those are my perceptions. It is true that I do not
understand why he doesn't seem to be held responsible much of the time
for his comments but I can only be who I am and choose my relationship
with him and let everyone else do the same. If that sounds accusatory
I don't mean to be, it is my perceptions and my own problem that I
don't understand. I realize that all the issues I have with him are
to be taken up with him and not with those who are friends with him
and I try to do that. I don't hold you or anyone else in any lesser
regard because you choose to be friends with him and accept his
flaws. I have never tried to tell anyone to stop being his friend or
to stop talking to him. I won't tell you who to be friends with
regardless of my opinion and I don't think I've done that.
That is all besides the point. To address your post here, when I made
that reply to *him*, it was to him about his interactions with me and
no one else.
"A socipath will attract you with his charm and bring you to his side,
then he will toy with you, lie and show no remorse. Sometimes there
will be a fake smile in his face while he engages in his malicious
ways. When confronted, he will deny any responsibility, then back away
from you and blame you for whatever wrong he did. What is worse,
everybody will believe him because he is able to gain sympathy in a
cunning and calculating way."
This is directly about my experience with him, not with you or anyone
else. When I first came here he charmed me, I enjoyed the fun he
created here. As he started in on me with these little digs here and
there I overlooked it and tried harder to interact positively with
him. I tried to understand the duality of his personality, how one
minute he could be funny and witty and then the next be cruel and
uncaring. It got to the point where I *did* feel like he was toying
with me because he could and didn't care how it affected me. But then
he would turn it all back on me, making it seem like it was all in my
mind and that all my perceptions about him were wrong and my problem.
While it's true that I don't understand how others can overlook the
issues I have with him, it's not my place to determine what anyone
else should do, and I'm honestly not on a campaign to persuade anyone
not to be his friend.
I honestly don't wish % any real harm. I sincerely don't. That's not
my desire or intention. My point all along has to been to confront
him with his behavior, thinking that it might make a difference, and
yes I have grown frustrated and impatient and have not always behaved
the best myself. I have thought to apologize on a couple of occasions
but the only purpose that would serve is to feed back into his denying
any responsiblility and shifting all the blame back onto me, so I
don't apologize.
I will humbly apologize to you, Cindy, and anyone else who have felt
my posts directed at you, I have never meant them to be. I don't know
exactly what I'm doing all the time in my efforts to confront %, but I
feel it is a matter of principle and important to me personally, so I
don't know that I'm going to stop. Even if it's pointless as far as
whether it will make any difference to him, it makes a difference to
me to speak up. I hope you can understand and know that whatever
relationship you have with him I accept and don't have a problem with
you for being friends with him, and I hope that you can respect my
position as well. I don't want to do the I don't like you because
you're friends with him.
Thanks for posting this, I appreciate hearing the truth and your
perspective.
~Rose
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| User: "Jane" |
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14 Aug 2007 12:10:23 PM |
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Rose,
I have no ill feelings towards you and I do appreciate your not
getting angry at my message and posting back to me in a respectful
manor. Thank you for apologizing and I don't believe you had bad
feelings towards me or anyone who my post may have represented. Who
knows maybe it just represented Cindy and I :o)
If there is anything I've learned posting in ASD over the years is
apologies are much more heart felt when they are volunteered rather
then confronted.
Seriously if Dave said he was sorry at this point would that be
enough? I don't think so. I think you are doing yourself more harm
then good hoping for something that isn't volunteered. Trying to
"force" Dave to confront his demons by posting and confronting him on
everything you or I find hurtful isn't the answer and in 9 years it
hasn't happened and it's not going to unless Dave feels he has demons
to face.
It's sort of like the addict, unless the addict believes she/he has an
addiction, and WANTS to stop the addiction; it's not going to happen.
Telling the addict who knows they're an addict doesn't give them eye
opening information, because they already know. Maybe that's a bad
anology.
I have also left ASD from some of the hurtful things posted here, Luna
gave it to me good one day and I was freaking pissed and posted some
choice ***** back at her, Dave taunted me with it all and I left.
(That lasted about a week) Then I came back, put it behind me and
consider Luna a gift to me and Dave has helped me emotionally more
then he's hurt me.
I'm glad you responded and I'm glad my post was taken as it was
written and not a jab, I like you Rose I think you are one of the most
kind hearted, though rather long winded, poster that we have. (I post
rather long winded at times myself)
I know you don't understand as you stated how other's can still be
"friends" and over look the poor behavior and I don't have an
explanation for anyone else. They'll have to respond themselves if
they feel the need to do so.
There have been so many positive things Dave has said and done for me,
i.e. he actually sent me coins from Canada (I like to collect coins)
and wouldn't let me pay for them (it wasn't a small collection), but
he knew I collected them and got some together and sent them to me
just out of the goodness of his heart. He's been a friend to me here
and in private, giving me great advice, following up with it to see if
it worked out, wishing me well, sending me information that I was
unable to get here. That's just a small example of his kindness that
he's shown me.
I won't excuse his poor behavior, there is no real excuse, I've
excused it when it's happen to me, but that is my choice not any one
else's. It's up to the offended if they want to turn the other cheek,
not mine, not yours or anyone else's.
Anyway this is long enough, thanks Rose I hope there is no hard
feelings between us, that was not my intentions, I just wanted you to
know how I was feeling.
Take care
Jane
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| User: "RGB" |
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14 Aug 2007 12:46:20 PM |
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Hi, Jane.
Just noting with some minor rofflement that here you are complaining
that Rose is treating you as "Persent's" stooge while elsewhere Jill is
treating Rose as *my* stooge.
Not only that, but here Rose is suggesting that "Persent" is a
sociopath, while, as you may recall (being an oldbie like myself), I
used to be the constant target of that very same accusation by several
people, include someone who best left unnamed. (Wistful nostalgic
sigh... I remember one time he gave me a score of 6 out of 7 on the
"Sociopath Markers Scale" and I was deeply offended, since I clearly
qualified for the one he left out; I actually suspected he gave me a
less than perfect score just to be an *****!)
Anyway. Jane, I understand your objection, but what I saw was Rose just
citing a big block of text discussing sociopathy, and containing a
number of points she found relevant in consideration of, yes,
"Persent's" behavior. But I don't think she went over it and approved
each and every word, so I don't think she intended quite the "collateral
damage" that you took it to imply. That stuff was just part of the
original article.
So, let me be so bold as to suggest that we are all for the most part
independent thinkers, although we clearly have our friends and allies,
and nobody is anybody's stooge, nobody is anybody's Svengali, there's
just the awkward fact that even sociopaths like "Persent" and myself
have enough vestigial humanity left in us that we can attract a friend
or two, at least in cyberspace.
Have a NICE DAY! =8^)
Mark
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| User: "homunculus" |
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14 Aug 2007 05:52:11 PM |
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what I saw was Rose just citing a big block of
text discussing sociopathy, and containing a
number of points she found relevant in
consideration of, yes, "Persent's" behavior.
I give you credit for admitting this. Portraying someone as a sociopath
doesn't exactly float my boat, but portraying someone as a sociopath then
trying to deny it seems like something out of an after-school special.
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| User: "" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:02:03 PM |
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On Aug 14, 3:52 pm, "homunculus" <em...@with.held> wrote:
what I saw was Rose just citing a big block of
text discussing sociopathy, and containing a
number of points she found relevant in
consideration of, yes, "Persent's" behavior.
I give you credit for admitting this. Portraying someone as a sociopath
doesn't exactly float my boat, but portraying someone as a sociopath then
trying to deny it seems like something out of an after-school special.
Omg, are you out of it? Did you *NOT* read in this very thread where
I explained my thoughts and motives? Here, let me quote for you so I
don't have to repeat myself....
"First of all my post wasn't even directed specifically at %. I had
him in mind when I looked up the article, that's true, but when I
made
the post I was sharing information that I did find enlightening, not
just in reference to % but in general. I never mentioned him
specifically. His first comment to me was,"ok , so you've identified
yourself , now what are you going to do" Just as he says similar
things to me, how did he know I was directing the post towards him?"
Believe what you want to believe, you seem to do that quite well. I
WAS in fact *ALSO* thinking of someone else when I posted this
*besides* %, think what you want.
~Rose
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| User: "homunculus" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:28:18 PM |
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Believe what you want to believe, you seem to do
that quite well.
You may want to reword this because it's a compliment.
I WAS in fact *ALSO* thinking of someone else
when I posted this *besides* %, think what you
want.
Well then, Rose, since you admit that your post was about %, I give you
credit too, and I hope the best for the other person you think may be a
sociopath.
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| User: "" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:44:30 PM |
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On Aug 14, 4:28 pm, "homunculus" <em...@with.held> wrote:
I WAS in fact *ALSO* thinking of someone else
when I posted this *besides* %, think what you
want.
Well then, Rose, since you admit that your post was about %, I give you
credit too, and I hope the best for the other person you think may be a
sociopath.
I don't need your credit, though that's kind of you. I wish you and
some others could read all of my words and if there is a question to
ask me rather than accuse me. I am a reasonable person who is very
fond of communication. It's one of the best tools I have to work
with. As far as whether I think someone is a sociopath or not, I
can't determine that, which I have also posted today. No one can
diagnos that except for a qualified doctor, imo. However, just as in
knowing the symptoms of a person who is depressed, the list was
helpful to me to consider the possibility and learn how to deal with
someone who displays some of these characteristics, just a person who
knows nothing about depression might be helped by learning the
symptoms of depression when dealing with someone like me. Anyways,
I'm really tired of visiting these threads and I'm stepping away for
now (I hope).
~Rose
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| User: "%" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:49:41 PM |
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<smudgedrose@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187135070.153343.51860@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 4:28 pm, "homunculus" <em...@with.held> wrote:
I WAS in fact *ALSO* thinking of someone else
when I posted this *besides* %, think what you
want.
Well then, Rose, since you admit that your post was about %, I give
you
credit too, and I hope the best for the other person you think may
be a
sociopath.
I don't need your credit, though that's kind of you. I wish you and
some others could read all of my words and if there is a question to
ask me rather than accuse me. I am a reasonable person who is very
fond of communication. It's one of the best tools I have to work
with. As far as whether I think someone is a sociopath or not, I
can't determine that, which I have also posted today. No one can
diagnos that except for a qualified doctor, imo. However, just as in
knowing the symptoms of a person who is depressed, the list was
helpful to me to consider the possibility and learn how to deal with
someone who displays some of these characteristics, just a person who
knows nothing about depression might be helped by learning the
symptoms of depression when dealing with someone like me. Anyways,
I'm really tired of visiting these threads and I'm stepping away for
now (I hope).
~Rose
bye
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| User: "Jane" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:59:28 PM |
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<smudgedrose@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187135070.153343.51860@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 4:28 pm, "homunculus" <em...@with.held> wrote:
I WAS in fact *ALSO* thinking of someone else
when I posted this *besides* %, think what you
want.
Well then, Rose, since you admit that your post was about %, I give you
credit too, and I hope the best for the other person you think may be a
sociopath.
I don't need your credit, though that's kind of you. I wish you and
some others could read all of my words and if there is a question to
ask me rather than accuse me. I am a reasonable person who is very
fond of communication. It's one of the best tools I have to work
with. As far as whether I think someone is a sociopath or not, I
can't determine that, which I have also posted today. No one can
diagnos that except for a qualified doctor, imo. However, just as in
knowing the symptoms of a person who is depressed, the list was
helpful to me to consider the possibility and learn how to deal with
someone who displays some of these characteristics, just a person who
knows nothing about depression might be helped by learning the
symptoms of depression when dealing with someone like me. Anyways,
I'm really tired of visiting these threads and I'm stepping away for
now (I hope).
~Rose
Easier said the done believe me. I keep trying to stay away too and find
myself getting involved again.
Hope you have a good night rose.
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| User: "RGB" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:40:26 PM |
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homunculus wrote:
Believe what you want to believe,
you seem to do that quite well.
You may want to reword this because it's a compliment.
Actually, the ability to believe what one wants to believe would be a
potentially life-threatening cognitive disorder.
Mark
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| User: "homunculus" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:50:18 PM |
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Actually, the ability to believe what one wants
to believe would be a potentially life-
threatening cognitive disorder.
If you want to believe that I have a potentially life-threatening
cognitive disorder, who am I to stop you? I do hope you survive believing
what you want to believe.
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| User: "RGB" |
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14 Aug 2007 07:28:09 PM |
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homunculus wrote:
Actually, the ability to believe what one wants
to believe would be a potentially life-
threatening cognitive disorder.
If you want to believe that I have a potentially life-threatening
cognitive disorder, who am I to stop you?
God, you're getting more obnoxious by the day. I didn't say that. I said
what I said, and if you think about if for one non-flamey second, it's
pretty fucking obviously true. Consider the "gift" of being able to
believe that the hurricane bearing down on you is in fact just a clear
blue sky.
Mark
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| User: "RGB" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:08:58 PM |
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homunculus wrote:
what I saw was Rose just citing a big block of
text discussing sociopathy, and containing a
number of points she found relevant in
consideration of, yes, "Persent's" behavior.
I give you credit for admitting this. Portraying someone as a sociopath
doesn't exactly float my boat, but portraying someone as a sociopath then
trying to deny it seems like something out of an after-school special.
It's all part of our tag team game plan. Rose doesn't say it, I say it
for her, effectively "accusing" her of it, thereby creating the
appearance of discord, when in fact we're roffling and giggling and
high-fiving one another as I lead her down The Garden Path...
to The Black Lodge, by the sycamores.
Lirtson tfel ruoy pu gnissip, daeh ruoy no gnidnats era uoy siht gnidaer
era uoy fi.
Mark
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| User: "homunculus" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:30:26 PM |
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Lirtson tfel ruoy pu gnissip, daeh ruoy no
gnidnats era uoy siht gnidaer era uoy fi.
You're too clever for me.
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| User: "purpleveggie" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:48:20 PM |
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On 15 Aug, 00:30, "homunculus" <em...@with.held> wrote:
Lirtson tfel ruoy pu gnissip, daeh ruoy no
gnidnats era uoy siht gnidaer era uoy fi.
You're too clever for me.
aaaaaaaaaaah i just got it....read it BACKWARDS!!!!
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:46:21 PM |
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RGB wrote:
Lirtson tfel ruoy pu gnissip, daeh ruoy no gnidnats era uoy siht gnidaer
era uoy fi.
*elffor*
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| User: "purpleveggie" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:53:22 PM |
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On 15 Aug, 00:46, Noon Cat Nick <chatdem...@breakthru.com> wrote:
RGB wrote:
Lirtson tfel ruoy pu gnissip, daeh ruoy no gnidnats era uoy siht gnidaer
era uoy fi.
*elffor*
lol or should that be lol?
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| User: "Jane" |
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14 Aug 2007 01:07:05 PM |
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On Aug 14, 1:46 pm, RGB <asd071...@Use.Organization> wrote:
Hi, Jane.
Just noting with some minor rofflement that here you are complaining
that Rose is treating you as "Persent's" stooge while elsewhere Jill is
treating Rose as *my* stooge.
Not only that, but here Rose is suggesting that "Persent" is a
sociopath, while, as you may recall (being an oldbie like myself), I
used to be the constant target of that very same accusation by several
people, include someone who best left unnamed. (Wistful nostalgic
sigh... I remember one time he gave me a score of 6 out of 7 on the
"Sociopath Markers Scale" and I was deeply offended, since I clearly
qualified for the one he left out; I actually suspected he gave me a
less than perfect score just to be an *****!)
Anyway. Jane, I understand your objection, but what I saw was Rose just
citing a big block of text discussing sociopathy, and containing a
number of points she found relevant in consideration of, yes,
"Persent's" behavior. But I don't think she went over it and approved
each and every word, so I don't think she intended quite the "collateral
damage" that you took it to imply. That stuff was just part of the
original article.
So, let me be so bold as to suggest that we are all for the most part
independent thinkers, although we clearly have our friends and allies,
and nobody is anybody's stooge, nobody is anybody's Svengali, there's
just the awkward fact that even sociopaths like "Persent" and myself
have enough vestigial humanity left in us that we can attract a friend
or two, at least in cyberspace.
Have a NICE DAY! =8^)
Mark
Oh my dearest Markipoo LOL, I've always been the lapdog of sorts even
wanting to be part of the lemony era. I hope we are all independent
thinkers, though I'm sure there are those few that don't speak up for
what "they" feel out of fear of a flame post coming back at them, I
tend to hold my breath cuz once in a while I take a stand and for the
most part it's like this, not flamey at all.
I do thank you for your input my dear dear anony, as you'll always be.
Now that's a bit thick on the ***** kissing huh?
Jane
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