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03 Jul 2005 02:05:49 PM |
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i surprised myself today |
i took luce with me to petsmart today to buy fish (i got six tiger
barbs). anyway, she had her prong/pinch collar on because that's what
she wears. i had a petsmart trainer come up to me and tell me i was
cruel and making my dog aggressive and all this stuff because of the
collar i was using on her. she was totally and astoundingly rude and
unprofessional to me. she actually raised her voice at me and then
turned in a huff and stalked away while i was speaking.
i asked another employee if i could speak to a manager.
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
i am SO not a complain-to-the-manager kind of girl. you have to
understand that. i am generally a doormat. i have never EVER asked to
speak to a manager before about ANYTHING, but i was absolutely
offended by this woman's tone with me. if she were truly concerned
that i was being cruel to my dog she could have spoken to me about
other tools i could use, but instead she just flat-out accosted me.
shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
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03 Jul 2005 10:50:59 PM |
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"elegy" <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
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i took luce with me to petsmart today to buy fish (i got six tiger
barbs). anyway, she had her prong/pinch collar on because that's what
she wears. i had a petsmart trainer come up to me and tell me i was
cruel and making my dog aggressive and all this stuff because of the
collar i was using on her. she was totally and astoundingly rude and
unprofessional to me. she actually raised her voice at me and then
turned in a huff and stalked away while i was speaking.
i asked another employee if i could speak to a manager.
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
i am SO not a complain-to-the-manager kind of girl. you have to
understand that. i am generally a doormat. i have never EVER asked to
speak to a manager before about ANYTHING, but i was absolutely
offended by this woman's tone with me. if she were truly concerned
that i was being cruel to my dog she could have spoken to me about
other tools i could use, but instead she just flat-out accosted me.
shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
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"know she breaks, my siren" (tori)
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Given your line of work and the love and respect you have expressed for your
dogs when you discuss them here, I don't doubt for a minute that you know
exactly what you're doing and would never use any apparatus on Luce that
might hurt her. To my knowledge, when used correctly, the prong collar
applies pressure to the neck but does not gouge into the neck the way
"prong" sounds like it might. I have tested them in the store out of
curiosity. Even on a human arm without the extra padding and more nerve
endings it was mildly uncomfortable but certainly not painful. My Jack is
extremely dog aggressive and with a mouthful of teeth that rivals most large
breeds she packs a nasty bite when serious. The only reason I do not use a
prong collar on her is because of her size. At 21 pounds she isn't really
built for it and can be easily corrected or held back with a leash alone. I
do, however, carry a humane muzzle should a worse case situation arise and
I can slap it on her in point three before she even sees it coming. Every
situation is different. Had the clerk witnessed someone using it
incorrectly I would expect her to speak up. In your case she was wrong and
you were right to stand up for yourself. Good for you!
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rhianon@sympatico.ca
"All those who believe in psychokinesis
raise my hand."
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04 Jul 2005 08:56:01 AM |
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On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:50:59 -0500, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Given your line of work and the love and respect you have expressed for your
dogs when you discuss them here, I don't doubt for a minute that you know
exactly what you're doing and would never use any apparatus on Luce that
might hurt her. To my knowledge, when used correctly, the prong collar
applies pressure to the neck but does not gouge into the neck the way
"prong" sounds like it might. I have tested them in the store out of
curiosity. Even on a human arm without the extra padding and more nerve
endings it was mildly uncomfortable but certainly not painful. My Jack is
extremely dog aggressive and with a mouthful of teeth that rivals most large
breeds she packs a nasty bite when serious. The only reason I do not use a
prong collar on her is because of her size. At 21 pounds she isn't really
built for it and can be easily corrected or held back with a leash alone. I
do, however, carry a humane muzzle should a worse case situation arise and
I can slap it on her in point three before she even sees it coming. Every
situation is different. Had the clerk witnessed someone using it
incorrectly I would expect her to speak up. In your case she was wrong and
you were right to stand up for yourself. Good for you!
thanks rhiannon. i love my dogs very much and the reason they wear
prong collars when we go out is because i love them and i want to keep
them safe.
every trainer has their beliefs about what are good tools and what are
bad ones, but no matter what your beliefs, they don't excuse rudeness.
man, my ***** would have been fired in about two seconds flat if i spoke
to a client at my job that way!!
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| User: "RGB" |
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03 Jul 2005 02:23:23 PM |
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In article <8edgc150f95u1ucqgdqn5cui2k1ulnepvv@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
So what was the end result? He didn't just leave it at the "cruelty"
business, did he? Did you get some concession or apology from him? It
sounds like you hung in there for a couple of rounds, I hope it wasn't a
complete waste of your time.
By the way, just a thought -- don't get mad now, please! -- I don't know
much about this pinch collar stuff (my dog doesn't require such strong
control measures) but maybe they have a point worth considering, even if
they were being assholes about it. Separating the message from the
messenger, you know. Just a thought, respectfully submitted.
P.S. -- I saw an incredibly muscular pit bull at the dog park yesterday
with his obviously professional trainer owner. That dog would go into a
down stay and STAY there even if other dogs came along barking at him
and even jumping over him, it was really amazing. Unfortunately, he had
a bit of a case of Mr. Droopy Poopy, and he did it on the concrete, so
the owner scooped up what he could, then dumped a bucket of water over
what remained to disperse it -- at which point a big black lab came
along and started rolling in the water, oh God, ick ick ick. Poop soup.
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| User: "wombn" |
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03 Jul 2005 04:09:36 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:23:23 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <8edgc150f95u1ucqgdqn5cui2k1ulnepvv@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
So what was the end result? He didn't just leave it at the "cruelty"
business, did he? Did you get some concession or apology from him? It
sounds like you hung in there for a couple of rounds, I hope it wasn't a
complete waste of your time.
By the way, just a thought -- don't get mad now, please! -- I don't know
much about this pinch collar stuff (my dog doesn't require such strong
control measures) but maybe they have a point worth considering, even if
they were being assholes about it. Separating the message from the
messenger, you know. Just a thought, respectfully submitted.
I need Bruno to be on a prong collar. Bruno can literally yank me
right off my feet.
The thing is.... which is better? Never go for walks cuz he won't
stop pulling? or go for walks and not have pain *when he behaves
himself*? I would have liked to walk Bruno more back when it didn't
hurt me to walk, but I couldn't take him inside Petsmart to get fitted
for one. (And Thor hasn't yet responded to my years of nagging about
it). So he misses out. Less interesting life. Less socialization.
Less exercise.
He can avoid all pain by simply not pulling.
It's when people use those collars wrong that it's cruel. I highly
doubt that elegy put the collar on wrong.
P.S. -- I saw an incredibly muscular pit bull at the dog park yesterday
with his obviously professional trainer owner. That dog would go into a
down stay and STAY there even if other dogs came along barking at him
and even jumping over him, it was really amazing. Unfortunately, he had
a bit of a case of Mr. Droopy Poopy, and he did it on the concrete, so
the owner scooped up what he could, then dumped a bucket of water over
what remained to disperse it -- at which point a big black lab came
along and started rolling in the water, oh God, ick ick ick. Poop soup.
yum
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| User: "RGB" |
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03 Jul 2005 04:28:29 PM |
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In article <ekkgc1hfkc6lh6rrlaiopmqb0aofqqgclu@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I need Bruno to be on a prong collar. Bruno can literally yank me
right off my feet.
I know about puppies like that. I used to co-companionize The Bunnyduck
-- http://botswiki.dyndns.org/wiki-uploads/bunnyduck.jpg -- 105 pounds
of solid Rottie muscle.
Is a "pinch" collar the same as a prong collar?
It's when people use those collars wrong that it's cruel. I highly
doubt that elegy put the collar on wrong.
I'm sure that's true. She writes with much adorable slobbering love of
her woofies, not as a crack dealer training attack dogs. I just don't
know a whole lot about this stuff.
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| User: "wombn" |
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03 Jul 2005 08:26:49 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:28:29 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <ekkgc1hfkc6lh6rrlaiopmqb0aofqqgclu@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I need Bruno to be on a prong collar. Bruno can literally yank me
right off my feet.
I know about puppies like that. I used to co-companionize The Bunnyduck
-- http://botswiki.dyndns.org/wiki-uploads/bunnyduck.jpg -- 105 pounds
of solid Rottie muscle.
awwwww. look at those eyes, though. Mischief looking to happen.
Is a "pinch" collar the same as a prong collar?
not sure
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then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "elegy" |
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03 Jul 2005 05:02:46 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:28:29 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <ekkgc1hfkc6lh6rrlaiopmqb0aofqqgclu@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I need Bruno to be on a prong collar. Bruno can literally yank me
right off my feet.
I know about puppies like that. I used to co-companionize The Bunnyduck
-- http://botswiki.dyndns.org/wiki-uploads/bunnyduck.jpg -- 105 pounds
of solid Rottie muscle.
rawr vicious puppy.
Is a "pinch" collar the same as a prong collar?
yup
It's when people use those collars wrong that it's cruel. I highly
doubt that elegy put the collar on wrong.
I'm sure that's true. She writes with much adorable slobbering love of
her woofies, not as a crack dealer training attack dogs. I just don't
know a whole lot about this stuff.
while i was there today scoping out the fishtanks some guy came up and
asked if i'd be interested in breeding her because she's so awesome
and he has a 70 pound red male pit (ie, oversized. a true pit bull
shouldn't be more than 60 pounds) and they'd make great puppies. uh
huh. she's very very very very spayed. and if she weren't, i'd surely
not be scoping out boyfriends for her at petsmart. i meandered down an
aisle and when i meandered back he was on his cell phone telling
somebody about her and how disappointed he was that she's spayed.
apparently she's a winningly white trash dog :p
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03 Jul 2005 04:38:20 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:09:36 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:23:23 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <8edgc150f95u1ucqgdqn5cui2k1ulnepvv@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
So what was the end result? He didn't just leave it at the "cruelty"
business, did he? Did you get some concession or apology from him? It
sounds like you hung in there for a couple of rounds, I hope it wasn't a
complete waste of your time.
By the way, just a thought -- don't get mad now, please! -- I don't know
much about this pinch collar stuff (my dog doesn't require such strong
control measures) but maybe they have a point worth considering, even if
they were being assholes about it. Separating the message from the
messenger, you know. Just a thought, respectfully submitted.
I need Bruno to be on a prong collar. Bruno can literally yank me
right off my feet.
The thing is.... which is better? Never go for walks cuz he won't
stop pulling? or go for walks and not have pain *when he behaves
himself*? I would have liked to walk Bruno more back when it didn't
hurt me to walk, but I couldn't take him inside Petsmart to get fitted
for one. (And Thor hasn't yet responded to my years of nagging about
it). So he misses out. Less interesting life. Less socialization.
Less exercise.
see, my dogs are trained that they don't pull on the leash. that's not
our issue. that took a lot of really boring work with a clicker and
food. but they're both dog aggressive and therefore they both wear
prong collars because if i need them to be able to physically control
a dog totally off its rocker, it's a matter of avoiding a big problem.
i like the prong collars better than a lot of tools out there. i think
they're more effective, they don't choke the dog, and if they're used
responsibly and fitted correctly, they're very very unlikely to hurt
the dog.
He can avoid all pain by simply not pulling.
It's when people use those collars wrong that it's cruel. I highly
doubt that elegy put the collar on wrong.
no, and to be honest, she didn't even receive any kind of correction
from it today. she didn't need one. it was just there in case i did
need to be able to physically control her. she's a bloody strong dog.
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| User: "wombn" |
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03 Jul 2005 08:29:21 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:38:20 -0400, elegy
<elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
see, my dogs are trained that they don't pull on the leash. that's not
our issue. that took a lot of really boring work with a clicker and
food.
I tried. Not strong enough.
no, and to be honest, she didn't even receive any kind of correction
from it today. she didn't need one. it was just there in case i did
need to be able to physically control her. she's a bloody strong dog.
I believe that. Bruno's damn strong and he has hip dysplasia!
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03 Jul 2005 04:25:47 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:23:23 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <8edgc150f95u1ucqgdqn5cui2k1ulnepvv@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
So what was the end result? He didn't just leave it at the "cruelty"
business, did he? Did you get some concession or apology from him? It
sounds like you hung in there for a couple of rounds, I hope it wasn't a
complete waste of your time.
he did apologize for her behavior in the end. after he got finished
defending her stance. it's not her stance that i took issue with, it
was her attitude and her rudeness and once i finally got that
communicated to him i think he took me seriously.
By the way, just a thought -- don't get mad now, please! -- I don't know
much about this pinch collar stuff (my dog doesn't require such strong
control measures) but maybe they have a point worth considering, even if
they were being assholes about it. Separating the message from the
messenger, you know. Just a thought, respectfully submitted.
she had a valid point about making the aggression worse (well, she
said i was making my dog aggressive and my dog is already aggressive
just a as a matter of temperament) and it's something i've taken into
consideration. she's already stimulated by her wanting to eat the dog
and the physical correction of the pinch collar could feasably make
her even more overstimulated.
however, the other side to that is that i cannot physically control
her when she's totally spazzed if she's on a flat collar or a harness,
and i am scared to death she'd break her neck on any kind of head
halter. i've tried a number of different management devices and the
pinch collar keeps her the safest.
P.S. -- I saw an incredibly muscular pit bull at the dog park yesterday
with his obviously professional trainer owner. That dog would go into a
down stay and STAY there even if other dogs came along barking at him
and even jumping over him, it was really amazing. Unfortunately, he had
a bit of a case of Mr. Droopy Poopy, and he did it on the concrete, so
the owner scooped up what he could, then dumped a bucket of water over
what remained to disperse it -- at which point a big black lab came
along and started rolling in the water, oh God, ick ick ick. Poop soup.
awesome. i am totally 100% against pit bulls being in dog parks, but
it's very cool that the owner had that kind of obedience from him.
luce would never ever ever no matter how much training i put into her
tolerate being jumped on. she's too hot toward other dogs. she could
conceivably hold a down with other dogs around her and even barking at
her but if they jumped on her, they'd get eaten.
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| User: "RGB" |
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03 Jul 2005 04:44:38 PM |
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In article <iglgc1dh1fccgiajbuen31e9jkmrubrng0@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
she had a valid point about making the aggression worse (well, she
said i was making my dog aggressive and my dog is already aggressive
just a as a matter of temperament) and it's something i've taken into
consideration. she's already stimulated by her wanting to eat the dog
and the physical correction of the pinch collar could feasably make
her even more overstimulated.
I once spent a lot of time dealing with a rather dog-aggressive large
dog, and after a while the paradox became obvious: the more directly you
tried to restrain her aggression, the more it tended to flare up. So
what do you do? In the end it came to a carefully escalated sequence of
risk-taking, gradually making less of a big deal of "oh God here comes
another dog please don't eat it", 'til eventually I could have her
off-leash in dog parks and she was fine. But it took quite a while, and
quite a number of arguments with her other owner. I'm happy with my
mid-size suburban model, now, no more issues like that. =8^)
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| User: "elegy" |
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03 Jul 2005 05:06:27 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:44:38 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <iglgc1dh1fccgiajbuen31e9jkmrubrng0@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
she had a valid point about making the aggression worse (well, she
said i was making my dog aggressive and my dog is already aggressive
just a as a matter of temperament) and it's something i've taken into
consideration. she's already stimulated by her wanting to eat the dog
and the physical correction of the pinch collar could feasably make
her even more overstimulated.
I once spent a lot of time dealing with a rather dog-aggressive large
dog, and after a while the paradox became obvious: the more directly you
tried to restrain her aggression, the more it tended to flare up. So
what do you do? In the end it came to a carefully escalated sequence of
risk-taking, gradually making less of a big deal of "oh God here comes
another dog please don't eat it", 'til eventually I could have her
off-leash in dog parks and she was fine. But it took quite a while, and
quite a number of arguments with her other owner. I'm happy with my
mid-size suburban model, now, no more issues like that. =8^)
yeah, and i've done a lot of desensitizing her. she's much much better
than she was, and truly i could have had her there on a flat collar
today and wouldn't have had any issues, but the thing is, if i'd
needed the pinch collar and didn't have it, i'd be screwed. so i'd
rather take precautions than end up with a bloody mess.
she used to be an airborne, lunging, screaming lunatic whereas now she
just vocalizes some unless a dog really gets all up in her face, but
the number of idiotic owners with dogs on flexis and totally not under
control is higher than average at petsmart.
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03 Jul 2005 06:45:39 PM |
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In article <n5ogc1pa1mtvdnnhi86u97sfbsehdogun8@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
she used to be an airborne, lunging, screaming lunatic
OK, I have to ask. What exactly is it that attracts you to a breed of
dog with a such a pronounced penchant for airborne, lunging, screaming
lunatic ferocity?
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03 Jul 2005 07:31:56 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:45:39 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <n5ogc1pa1mtvdnnhi86u97sfbsehdogun8@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
she used to be an airborne, lunging, screaming lunatic
OK, I have to ask. What exactly is it that attracts you to a breed of
dog with a such a pronounced penchant for airborne, lunging, screaming
lunatic ferocity?
lol. when i met her i didn't realize she was going to be quite....
what she was. she was not like that at all at the shelter. and really
she's not as aggressive as she looks. most of her carrying on is
because she wants to meet the dogs, but sometimes it's that she wants
to *eat* the other dog. and mushroom is not that at all. he does not
do airborne ever if he can help it. he's somewhat dog aggressive but
he's not as spectacular about it.
but i'm attracted to their athleticism, their utter goofiness, their
love of all people great and small, their intelligence, their
fearlessness, and that they're not cookie-cutter push-button dogs. i
also, i guess, feel a sort of sympathy for their plight of being
misjudged and labeled.
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04 Jul 2005 01:31:51 AM |
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I'm watching this "Deep Impact" stuff on NASA TV, and I keep remembering
that pit bull that hit the car and the car lost, and I keep thinking
they should have just fired a pit bull at that comet. The pit would have
blasted a huge hole in the the comet while suffering no damage itself
and then then could have just reeled it back in with a really long leash
and asked it to woof about what it saw.
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04 Jul 2005 08:49:32 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 06:31:51 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
I'm watching this "Deep Impact" stuff on NASA TV, and I keep remembering
that pit bull that hit the car and the car lost, and I keep thinking
they should have just fired a pit bull at that comet. The pit would have
blasted a huge hole in the the comet while suffering no damage itself
and then then could have just reeled it back in with a really long leash
and asked it to woof about what it saw.
for real. you should hear the sound my two make when they collide at
top speed. i'm like cringing and considering broken ribs and they're
still running at top speed having a grand old time.
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:25:47 -0400, elegy
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her when she's totally spazzed if she's on a flat collar or a harness,
and i am scared to death she'd break her neck on any kind of head
halter.
Bruno had no trouble shaking right out of head halters.
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03 Jul 2005 08:37:46 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:30:15 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:25:47 -0400, elegy
<elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
her when she's totally spazzed if she's on a flat collar or a harness,
and i am scared to death she'd break her neck on any kind of head
halter.
Bruno had no trouble shaking right out of head halters.
yeah, luce got out of the one i had for her, too. and tried to eat a
jack russell on our first night of beginner obedience class no less!
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| User: "Youll Never Know" |
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04 Jul 2005 01:22:59 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:25:47 -0400, elegy
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:23:23 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <8edgc150f95u1ucqgdqn5cui2k1ulnepvv@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
So what was the end result? He didn't just leave it at the "cruelty"
business, did he? Did you get some concession or apology from him? It
sounds like you hung in there for a couple of rounds, I hope it wasn't a
complete waste of your time.
he did apologize for her behavior in the end. after he got finished
defending her stance. it's not her stance that i took issue with, it
was her attitude and her rudeness and once i finally got that
communicated to him i think he took me seriously.
So he didn't offer you a job then?
<G>
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04 Jul 2005 08:50:15 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 02:22:59 -0400, You'll Never Know
<spam@spamspamspam.org.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:25:47 -0400, elegy
<elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:23:23 GMT, RGB <rrggbb@mac.com> wrote:
In article <8edgc150f95u1ucqgdqn5cui2k1ulnepvv@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
So what was the end result? He didn't just leave it at the "cruelty"
business, did he? Did you get some concession or apology from him? It
sounds like you hung in there for a couple of rounds, I hope it wasn't a
complete waste of your time.
he did apologize for her behavior in the end. after he got finished
defending her stance. it's not her stance that i took issue with, it
was her attitude and her rudeness and once i finally got that
communicated to him i think he took me seriously.
So he didn't offer you a job then?
<G>
uh, no. lol. the sad thing is i've vaguely been considering apply to
work as a trainer there. so i guess maybe not....
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04 Jul 2005 08:48:46 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 09:50:15 -0400, elegy
<elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 02:22:59 -0400, You'll Never Know
<spam@spamspamspam.org.invalid> wrote:
So he didn't offer you a job then?
<G>
uh, no. lol. the sad thing is i've vaguely been considering apply to
work as a trainer there. so i guess maybe not....
You could get a job training the staff . . .
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| User: "wombn" |
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03 Jul 2005 04:02:51 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:05:49 -0400, elegy
<elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
i took luce with me to petsmart today to buy fish (i got six tiger
barbs). anyway, she had her prong/pinch collar on because that's what
she wears. i had a petsmart trainer come up to me and tell me i was
cruel and making my dog aggressive and all this stuff because of the
collar i was using on her. she was totally and astoundingly rude and
unprofessional to me. she actually raised her voice at me and then
turned in a huff and stalked away while i was speaking.
i asked another employee if i could speak to a manager.
i told him i was astounded how downright rude and unprofessional she
was to me. he told me how it's petsmart policy that pinch collars are
cruel blah blah blah and i said that was totally beside the point. i
said it wasn't the content of what she was saying but rather how very
downright rude to me she was, how unprofessional.
i am SO not a complain-to-the-manager kind of girl. you have to
understand that. i am generally a doormat. i have never EVER asked to
speak to a manager before about ANYTHING, but i was absolutely
offended by this woman's tone with me. if she were truly concerned
that i was being cruel to my dog she could have spoken to me about
other tools i could use, but instead she just flat-out accosted me.
shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
YAY!
I seem to recall that they sell prong collars there....
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03 Jul 2005 04:43:16 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:02:51 -0700, wombn
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shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
YAY!
I seem to recall that they sell prong collars there....
yeah, they do. go figure. i actually bought the one that she was
wearing there.
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| User: "wombn" |
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03 Jul 2005 08:32:50 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:43:16 -0400, elegy
<elegy@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:02:51 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
YAY!
I seem to recall that they sell prong collars there....
yeah, they do. go figure. i actually bought the one that she was
wearing there.
ooo... too bad you didn't think of while you were talking to that
twit!
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03 Jul 2005 05:22:41 PM |
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elegy wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:02:51 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
YAY!
I seem to recall that they sell prong collars there....
yeah, they do. go figure. i actually bought the one that she was
wearing there.
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Wait a minute - they were giving you all this crap for using something
they sell??!!
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03 Jul 2005 05:38:00 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:22:41 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net>
wrote:
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elegy wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:02:51 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
YAY!
I seem to recall that they sell prong collars there....
yeah, they do. go figure. i actually bought the one that she was
wearing there.
Wait a minute - they were giving you all this crap for using something
they sell??!!
yup. oh the irony.
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04 Jul 2005 01:26:41 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:38:00 -0400, elegy
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:22:41 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net>
wrote:
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elegy wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:02:51 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
shocked the ***** out of myself by speaking to a manager though :)
go me.
YAY!
I seem to recall that they sell prong collars there....
yeah, they do. go figure. i actually bought the one that she was
wearing there.
Wait a minute - they were giving you all this crap for using something
they sell??!!
yup. oh the irony.
Should've demanded you money back
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| User: "Rebecca Jo" |
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03 Jul 2005 05:27:07 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote
Wait a minute - they were giving you all this crap for using something
they sell??!!
Some people think they should only be used for training. So they might feel
it's okay to sell it and use it in that case but not all the time. It's not
a completely hypocritical position.
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| User: "wombn" |
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03 Jul 2005 08:33:12 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:27:07 -0400, "Rebecca Jo"
<rebeccajodreams@yahoo.com> wrote:
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote
Wait a minute - they were giving you all this crap for using something
they sell??!!
Some people think they should only be used for training. So they might feel
it's okay to sell it and use it in that case but not all the time. It's not
a completely hypocritical position.
How did they know she wasn't training?
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03 Jul 2005 08:35:26 PM |
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
How did they know she wasn't training?
I dunno! I don't think the person should've been rude to her. I'm certainly
not excusing that! I'm just saying that them selling it might not be as
ridiculous as it was sounding.
Rj
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