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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "lisa in mass."
Date: 25 Jan 2008 12:46:29 AM
Object: I want to die
I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.
.

User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 02:15:01 AM
In message <Xns9A30120B490F4mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in mass.
<mccats@rcn.com> writes

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.

You are not allowed to die. Rule 47 says so.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 10:27:34 AM
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message <Xns9A30120B490F4mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish
I didn't have to.


You are not allowed to die. Rule 47 says so.

I know I can't. I just hate that rule sometimes.
.


User: "BoredToTears"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 05:28:43 AM
On 25 Jan, 06:46, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.

I hope today will be better, Lisa.
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 10:28:25 AM
BoredToTears <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote...

On 25 Jan, 06:46, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.




I hope today will be better, Lisa.

Thanks, BTT. It's a better morning, but I slept in and just woke
up.
.


User: "the_dawggie"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 06:22:17 AM
On Jan 25, 5:46 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.

Hang in there. Just say *NO* to stuff you are not dealing
with. Folk around you will understand, don't worry about
what they think.
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 10:29:25 AM
the_dawggie <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote...

On Jan 25, 5:46 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.


Hang in there. Just say *NO* to stuff you are not dealing
with. Folk around you will understand, don't worry about
what they think.

I'll get through it. I have dozens of times in the past. It's
wearing, though.
.


User: "slunky"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 12:48:40 AM
_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.

I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be strong for our
families. You can overcome this.
--
-slunky
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 12:53:21 AM
slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just
wish I didn't have to.


I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be strong
for our families. You can overcome this.

I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless succession
of suicide methods going through my head that won't turn off. I
hate when they get tactile and I can feel what it would be like
along with the visual image. When everything I see is evauluated
as to whether it could play a part in my demise. And I can't
stop, I'm stuck.
I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 02:16:29 AM
In message <Xns9A301334E99CAmccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in mass.
<mccats@rcn.com> writes

slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just
wish I didn't have to.


I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be strong
for our families. You can overcome this.


I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless succession
of suicide methods going through my head that won't turn off. I
hate when they get tactile and I can feel what it would be like
along with the visual image. When everything I see is evauluated
as to whether it could play a part in my demise. And I can't
stop, I'm stuck.

I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.

When do you see him next?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 10:24:23 AM
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message <Xns9A301334E99CAmccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes

slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just
wish I didn't have to.


I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be strong
for our families. You can overcome this.


I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless
succession of suicide methods going through my head that
won't turn off. I hate when they get tactile and I can feel
what it would be like along with the visual image. When
everything I see is evauluated as to whether it could play
a part in my demise. And I can't stop, I'm stuck.

I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.


When do you see him next?

Not until Thursday. I saw him yesterday for a weekly
appointment. I could probably get in again sooner if need be.
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 12:57:38 PM
In message <Xns9A30740761240mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in mass.
<mccats@rcn.com> writes

Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message <Xns9A301334E99CAmccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes

slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just
wish I didn't have to.


I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be strong
for our families. You can overcome this.


I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless
succession of suicide methods going through my head that
won't turn off. I hate when they get tactile and I can feel
what it would be like along with the visual image. When
everything I see is evauluated as to whether it could play
a part in my demise. And I can't stop, I'm stuck.

I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.


When do you see him next?


Not until Thursday. I saw him yesterday for a weekly
appointment. I could probably get in again sooner if need be.

I approve of the 'if'. It sounds better than you were earlier in the
week.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 03:06:49 PM
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message <Xns9A30740761240mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes

Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message
<Xns9A301334E99CAmccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in
mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes

slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just
wish I didn't have to.


I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be
strong for our families. You can overcome this.


I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless
succession of suicide methods going through my head that
won't turn off. I hate when they get tactile and I can
feel what it would be like along with the visual image.
When everything I see is evauluated as to whether it
could play a part in my demise. And I can't stop, I'm
stuck.

I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.


When do you see him next?


Not until Thursday. I saw him yesterday for a weekly
appointment. I could probably get in again sooner if need
be.


I approve of the 'if'. It sounds better than you were
earlier in the week.

Well, he did say things should be ok by Sunday. Why Sunday, I
don't know, unless he figured it would be within a week of the
trigger. If I'm not better Monday, I'll call him to see if he
has another opening.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 04:58:01 PM
On Jan 25, 1:06=A0pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

Alan Harding <A...@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message <Xns9A30740761240mccatsjavanet...@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> writes

Alan Harding <A...@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message
<Xns9A301334E99CAmccatsjavanet...@130.133.1.4>, lisa in
mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> writes

slunky <slu...@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just
wish I didn't have to.


I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be
strong for our families. You can overcome this.


I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless
succession of suicide methods going through my head that
won't turn off. I hate when they get tactile and I can
feel what it would be like along with the visual image.
When everything I see is evauluated as to whether it
could play a part in my demise. And I can't stop, I'm
stuck.


I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.


When do you see him next?


Not until Thursday. I saw him yesterday for a weekly
appointment. I could probably get in again sooner if need
be.


I approve of the 'if'. It sounds better than you were
earlier in the week.


Well, he did say things should be ok by Sunday. Why Sunday, I
don't know, unless he figured it would be within a week of the
trigger. If I'm not better Monday, I'll call him to see if he
has another opening.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lisa,
I've been where you are and have come through thanks to meds, bed
rest, and a flicker of hope that life would get better again. It had
been good, and really nothing much had changed--a few setbacks, but
nothing I hadn't dealt with in my earlier years. Here're MY NINE
STEPS for getting better:
1. Realize that depression, like the flu, is a temporary disorder,
albeit one that affects your brain, a very sensitive organ. It has
the distinct property of attacking your serotonin, the substance which
gives you your sense of well-being. Like the flu makes your lungs and
stomach and intestines feel like crap, depression makes your sense of
well-being feel like crap. Never forget that the feeling like crap is
an illusory symptom of the illness, like nausea with the flu. You
just have to put up with it until it goes away.
2. Fight back. When you've got the flu, you do not assume that "this
shitty feeling will never go away." You know it's temporary. You
have to tell yourself the same thing about depression.
3. Pamper yourself. Depression requires bed rest, just like the
flu.
4. Get medicine. A good anti-depressant (I took Paxil) and a bottle
of Xanax, should get you through. It takes a while to get to a good
dosage or combo, so be patient. The xanax will help the anxiety
portions of depression, and allow you to sleep. Do not take
barbituates.
5. Crying with depression is like puking with the flu. It goes with
the territory. Pay it no mind.
6. Don't make any life changing or life ending decisions while
depressed. You wouldn't play basketball while you had the flu, would
you? Don't play life while you have depression.
7. Depression is nothing to be ashamed of. Explain it to your loved
ones and friends.
8. Get out of bed everyday and walk in the fresh air and sunshine. I
know you feel like lying in bed all day, but exercise will speed your
recovery. Try to stay busy, even in bed. Read, watch television.
Avoid thinking about yourself. When you have a negative thought,
counter it with "what I just thought is an illusion," or "*****,
I'm not a bad person," or "*****, there's everything to live for,"
or "pay no attention to the voice behind the curtain," or anything
that reminds you that the negative thoughts are not true; they are a
symptom of the illness and nothing more.
9. Force yourself to smile. Sooner then you think, you won't have to
force yourself to smile.
Depression feels AWFUL. But, you'll get better.
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 08:24:16 PM
wrote...

On Jan 25, 1:06 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

Alan Harding <A...@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message
<Xns9A30740761240mccatsjavanet...@130.133.1.4>, lisa in
mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> writes

Alan Harding <A...@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote...

In message
<Xns9A301334E99CAmccatsjavanet...@130.133.1.4>, lisa
in mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> writes

slunky <slu...@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote \_

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I
just wish I didn't have to.


I completely understand, Lisa, but we've got to be
strong for our families. You can overcome this.


I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless
succession of suicide methods going through my head
that won't turn off. I hate when they get tactile and
I can feel what it would be like along with the visual
image. When everything I see is evauluated as to
whether it could play a part in my demise. And I can't
stop, I'm stuck.


I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.


When do you see him next?


Not until Thursday. I saw him yesterday for a weekly
appointment. I could probably get in again sooner if
need be.


I approve of the 'if'. It sounds better than you were
earlier in the week.


Well, he did say things should be ok by Sunday. Why
Sunday, I don't know, unless he figured it would be within
a week of the trigger. If I'm not better Monday, I'll call
him to see if he has another opening.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



Lisa,
I've been where you are and have come through thanks to
meds, bed rest, and a flicker of hope that life would get
better again. It had been good, and really nothing much
had changed--a few setbacks, but nothing I hadn't dealt
with in my earlier years. Here're MY NINE STEPS for
getting better:

1. Realize that depression, like the flu, is a temporary
disorder, albeit one that affects your brain, a very
sensitive organ. It has the distinct property of attacking
your serotonin, the substance which gives you your sense of
well-being. Like the flu makes your lungs and stomach and
intestines feel like crap, depression makes your sense of
well-being feel like crap. Never forget that the feeling
like crap is an illusory symptom of the illness, like
nausea with the flu. You just have to put up with it until
it goes away.

2. Fight back. When you've got the flu, you do not assume
that "this shitty feeling will never go away." You know
it's temporary. You have to tell yourself the same thing
about depression.

3. Pamper yourself. Depression requires bed rest, just
like the flu.

4. Get medicine. A good anti-depressant (I took Paxil)
and a bottle of Xanax, should get you through. It takes a
while to get to a good dosage or combo, so be patient. The
xanax will help the anxiety portions of depression, and
allow you to sleep. Do not take barbituates.

5. Crying with depression is like puking with the flu. It
goes with the territory. Pay it no mind.

6. Don't make any life changing or life ending decisions
while depressed. You wouldn't play basketball while you
had the flu, would you? Don't play life while you have
depression.

7. Depression is nothing to be ashamed of. Explain it to
your loved ones and friends.

8. Get out of bed everyday and walk in the fresh air and
sunshine. I know you feel like lying in bed all day, but
exercise will speed your recovery. Try to stay busy, even
in bed. Read, watch television. Avoid thinking about
yourself. When you have a negative thought, counter it
with "what I just thought is an illusion," or "*****,
I'm not a bad person," or "*****, there's everything to
live for," or "pay no attention to the voice behind the
curtain," or anything that reminds you that the negative
thoughts are not true; they are a symptom of the illness
and nothing more.

9. Force yourself to smile. Sooner then you think, you
won't have to force yourself to smile.

Depression feels AWFUL. But, you'll get better.

I've been dealing with this for 11 years now. I go from
moderately to severely depressed. Right now it's severe, but I
know it'll tame down soon. I've been through the med-go-round,
currently taking Parnate, an MAOI. The worst is the nonstop
suicidal thoughts combined with strong urges to self-harm.
Suicide's absolutely not an option, as much as I sometimes
wish it were, as by having kids I obligated myself to sticking
around to raise them as best I can. If I feel like I can't
hold on any longer, it's hospital time again, though I'm not
near that now. Just wishing I could end this crap permanently,
knowing I can't and won't.
Thanks for the ideas.
-lisa
.






User: "slunky"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 12:59:07 AM
_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless succession
of suicide methods going through my head that won't turn off. I
hate when they get tactile and I can feel what it would be like
along with the visual image. When everything I see is evauluated
as to whether it could play a part in my demise. And I can't
stop, I'm stuck.

I really do know. The week between hospitals it was that way. I had
voices even telling me to, but I would get out the rope. Practice tying
the slipknot just right. rubbing it across my neck. All this stuff.
Imagining getting a gun and seeing if I still had the phone numbers
where I could get one. I really had/have plans. Even my far out methods
run through my head, and they just stick. There's no distracting from
them because they're so prominent and so desired.

I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.

Me too, in fact, I hope it resolves before then.
--
-slunky
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 01:11:34 AM
slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote...

_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

I know, and I will. Just tired of having an endless
succession of suicide methods going through my head that
won't turn off. I hate when they get tactile and I can
feel what it would be like along with the visual image.
When everything I see is evauluated as to whether it could
play a part in my demise. And I can't stop, I'm stuck.


I really do know. The week between hospitals it was that
way. I had voices even telling me to, but I would get out
the rope. Practice tying the slipknot just right. rubbing
it across my neck. All this stuff. Imagining getting a gun
and seeing if I still had the phone numbers where I could
get one. I really had/have plans. Even my far out methods
run through my head, and they just stick. There's no
distracting from them because they're so prominent and so
desired.

Damn. You really do get it. I have a voice telling me to in my
head, but it's my own. I haven't tried tying a knot this time
except in my head. I've got a foolproof plan, too. Not going
to use it, but I need to keep it an option. And there doesn't
seem to be much I can do right now about it. As you said,
they're so prominent, they overlay everything else I
see,think, and do.

I hope my therp is right and this abates by Sunday.


Me too, in fact, I hope it resolves before then.

Thanks.
.
User: "slunky"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 01:21:23 AM
_/ lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> wrote \_

Damn. You really do get it. I have a voice telling me to in my
head, but it's my own. I haven't tried tying a knot this time
except in my head. I've got a foolproof plan, too. Not going
to use it, but I need to keep it an option. And there doesn't
seem to be much I can do right now about it. As you said,
they're so prominent, they overlay everything else I
see,think, and do.

I don't know anything to do to stop them either. Just wait them out I
guess and try to keep them from becoming action. It seems like it's all
there is though.

Thanks.

You're welcome.
--
-slunky
.





User: "mighty mouse"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 01:45:06 AM
lisa in mass. wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.

(trying hard to think of distractions for you)
So, is there anything good on TV, or is it like here where there's just
rigged phone in gameshows and religious shows on in the early hours?
(I hope you're asleep by now, anyway)
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 10:27:06 AM
mighty mouse <mousieNOSPAM9947@hotmail.com> wrote...

lisa in mass. wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just
wish I didn't have to.



(trying hard to think of distractions for you)

So, is there anything good on TV, or is it like here where
there's just rigged phone in gameshows and religious shows
on in the early hours?

(I hope you're asleep by now, anyway)

I'd just fallen asleep. Not much on tv that late, and I couldn't
watch, anyway, without waking someone. I turned off the computer
and played Palm games in the dark for awhile until I was getting
drowsy from a double dose of extra Seroquel.
Thanks, Kylie.
-lisa
.


User: "pinot"

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 01:43:27 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On Jan 24, 10:46=A0pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.

Hope you are doing better today. Best wishes.
p
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: I want to die 25 Jan 2008 02:19:31 PM
pinot <pinot0000@yahoo.com> wrote...

x-no-archive: yes

On Jan 24, 10:46 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:

I shouldn't, won't, can't. I can tolerate this. I just wish I
didn't have to.


Hope you are doing better today. Best wishes.

p

So far, today's a little better. I'm much worse in the evening
and night, though, so time will tell.
.



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