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Date: 23 Apr 2004 11:53:05 AM
Object: If you cannot save yourself,
It's just too bad.
Sometimes there's nothing left to save, no reasons left to fight.
.

User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 24 Apr 2004 02:35:59 AM
In message <r7ii805mndad1hurkpql7l9l5inbd6v22e@4ax.com>, notchimera
<disabilitybum@poverty.com> writes

It's just too bad.

Sometimes there's nothing left to save, no reasons left to fight.

There are times when the best one can do is try to stop things getting
worse.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.

User: "arethusa"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 23 Apr 2004 01:48:39 PM
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:05 GMT, notchimera wrote:

It's just too bad.

Sometimes there's nothing left to save, no reasons left to fight.

i'll never believe that. we don't know what tomorrow will bring. we
don't know the power we have over our own lives.
A life without cause is a life without effect.
Barbarella
A person starts to live when he can live outside himself.
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the
bricks that others throw at him or her.
David Brinkley
Argue for your limitations and sure enough they're yours.
Richard Bach
Be like a postage stamp. Stick to one thing until you get there.
Josh Billings
Constant dripping hollows out a stone.
Lucretius
Do your damnedest in an ostentatious manner all the time.
George S. Patton, General (1885-1945)
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
Theodore Roosevelt
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an
understanding of ourselves.
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
Few people are successful unless a lot of other people want them to
be.
Charles Brower
Find out what you like doing best and get someone to pay you for doing
it.
Katherine Whitehorn
Having once decided to achieve a certain task, achieve it at all costs
of tedium and distaste. The gain in self-confidence of having
accomplished a tiresome labor is immense.
Thomas Arnold Bennett
He that would have the fruit must climb the tree.
Thomas Fuller , M.D.
He who limps is still walking.
Stanislaw J. Lec
History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark.
Lord John Whorfin
I don't know anything about luck. I've never banked on it, and I'm
afraid of people who do. Luck to me is something else; hard work and
realizing what is opportunity and what isn't.
Lucille Ball
I have realized that the past and future are real illusions, that they
exist in the present, which is what there is and all there is.
Alan Watts
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
Confucius
I may climb perhaps to no great heights, but I will climb alone.
Cyrano De Bergerac
Ideas won't keep; something must be done about them.
Alfred North Whitehead
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Alfred Adler
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare; it is
because we do not dare that they are difficult.
Seneca (3 B.C. - 65 A.D.)
Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)
Life is a series of experiences, each one of which makes us bigger,
even though it is hard to realize this. For the world was built to
develop character, and we must learn that the setbacks and grieves
which we endure help us in our marching onward.
Henry Ford (1863-1947)
Many candles can be kindled from one candle without diminishing it.
The Midrash
Most of our obstacles would melt away if, instead of cowering before
them, we should make up our minds to walk boldly through them.
Orison Swett Marden
Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will
turn.
Harriet Beecher Stowe
Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be
changed until it is faced.
James Baldwin
Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door.
Emily Dickinson
Nothing is beneath you if it is in the direction of your life.
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
Nothing succeeds like -- failure.
Anonymous
Obstacles cannot crush me. Every obstacle yields to stern resolve. He
who is fixed to a star does not change his mind.
Leonardo da Vinci - Notebooks
One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great
surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do.
Henry Ford (1863-1947)
Never, never, never give up.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)
Only I can change my life. No one can do it for me.
Carol Burnett
The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong about anything,
and that all the pains that I have so humbly taken to verify my
notions have only wasted my time.
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
There was never a genius without a tincture of madness.
Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
Treat people as if they were what they ought to be, and you help them
to become what they are capable of being.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
Vitality shows in not only the ability to persist but the ability to
start over.
F. Scott Fitzgerald
We are not in a position in which we have nothing to work with. We
already have capacities, talents, direction, missions, callings.
Abraham Maslow
We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)
We must become the change we want to see.
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
Well done is better than well said.
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
What does not kill me makes me stronger.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius,
power, and magic in it.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is most important that
you do it.
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long
and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones
which open for us.
Alexander Graham Bell
Whenever I dwell for any length of time on my own shortcomings, they
gradually begin to seem mild harmless, rather engaging little things,
not at all like the staring defects in other people's characters.
Margaret Halsey
Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually
right.
Henry Ford (1863-1947)
Who dares, wins.
Anonymous
You have to do your own growing no matter how tall your grandfather
was.
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future.
Paul Boese
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start
from now and make a brand new ending.
Anonymous
We see the brightness of a new page where everything yet can happen.
Rainer Maria Rilke - Book of Hours
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared
to what lies within us.
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
Why is it that our memory is good enough to retain the least
triviality that happens to us, and yet not good enough to recollect
how often we have told it to the same person?
Francois de La Rouchefoucauld
A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in
anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
Robert Heinlein
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the
subject.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)
Boredom is the feeling that everything is a waste of time; serenity,
that nothing is.
Thomas Szasz
Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900
Happiness is good health and a bad memory.
Ingrid Bergman (1917-1982)
Happiness is inward, and not outward; and so, it does not depend on
what we have, but on what we are.
Henry Van *****
Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.
Rabbi H. Schachtel , The Real Enjoyment of Living
He who laughs, lasts.
Mary Pettibone Poole
Remember that happiness is a way of travel, not a destination.
Roy Goodman
The truth is, laughter always sounds more perfect than weeping.
Laughter flows in a violent riff and is effortlessly melodic. Weeping
is often fought, choked, half strangled, or surrendered to with
humiliation.
Anne Rice - Taltos
When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to
laugh at him.
Thomas Szasz - The Second Sin, 1973
Worry never robs tomorrow of its sorrow, it only saps today of its
joy.
Leo Buscaglia
A wise man's question contains half the answer.
Solomon Ibn Gabriel
Every fool knows you can't touch the stars, but it doesn't stop a wise
man from trying.
Harry Anderson
Ignorance of one's misfortunes is clear gain.
Euripides
Live your questions now, and perhaps even without knowing it, you will
live along some distant day into your answers.
Rainer Maria Rilke
Look alive. Here comes a buzzard.
Pogo , character in "Pogo," comic strip by Walt Kelly
.
User: "Megan"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 23 Apr 2004 10:42:58 PM
X-No-Archive: Yes
Really good post. :-) Mind if I borrow this?
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:48:39 -0500, arethusa wrote:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:05 GMT, notchimera wrote:

It's just too bad.

Sometimes there's nothing left to save, no reasons left to fight.


i'll never believe that. we don't know what tomorrow will bring. we
don't know the power we have over our own lives.


A life without cause is a life without effect.
Barbarella

A person starts to live when he can live outside himself.
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)


A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the
bricks that others throw at him or her.
David Brinkley

Argue for your limitations and sure enough they're yours.
Richard Bach

Be like a postage stamp. Stick to one thing until you get there.
Josh Billings

Constant dripping hollows out a stone.
Lucretius

Do your damnedest in an ostentatious manner all the time.
George S. Patton, General (1885-1945)

Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
Theodore Roosevelt

Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an
understanding of ourselves.
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)

Few people are successful unless a lot of other people want them to
be.
Charles Brower


Find out what you like doing best and get someone to pay you for doing
it.
Katherine Whitehorn


Having once decided to achieve a certain task, achieve it at all costs
of tedium and distaste. The gain in self-confidence of having
accomplished a tiresome labor is immense.
Thomas Arnold Bennett

He that would have the fruit must climb the tree.
Thomas Fuller , M.D.

He who limps is still walking.
Stanislaw J. Lec

History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark.
Lord John Whorfin

I don't know anything about luck. I've never banked on it, and I'm
afraid of people who do. Luck to me is something else; hard work and
realizing what is opportunity and what isn't.
Lucille Ball

I have realized that the past and future are real illusions, that they
exist in the present, which is what there is and all there is.
Alan Watts

I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
Confucius

I may climb perhaps to no great heights, but I will climb alone.
Cyrano De Bergerac

Ideas won't keep; something must be done about them.
Alfred North Whitehead

In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Alfred Adler

It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare; it is
because we do not dare that they are difficult.
Seneca (3 B.C. - 65 A.D.)

Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)

Life is a series of experiences, each one of which makes us bigger,
even though it is hard to realize this. For the world was built to
develop character, and we must learn that the setbacks and grieves
which we endure help us in our marching onward.
Henry Ford (1863-1947)

Many candles can be kindled from one candle without diminishing it.
The Midrash

Most of our obstacles would melt away if, instead of cowering before
them, we should make up our minds to walk boldly through them.
Orison Swett Marden

Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will
turn.
Harriet Beecher Stowe


Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be
changed until it is faced.
James Baldwin

Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door.
Emily Dickinson


Nothing is beneath you if it is in the direction of your life.
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)


Nothing succeeds like -- failure.
Anonymous

Obstacles cannot crush me. Every obstacle yields to stern resolve. He
who is fixed to a star does not change his mind.
Leonardo da Vinci - Notebooks

One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great
surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do.
Henry Ford (1863-1947)

Never, never, never give up.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)

Only I can change my life. No one can do it for me.
Carol Burnett

The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong about anything,
and that all the pains that I have so humbly taken to verify my
notions have only wasted my time.
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)

There was never a genius without a tincture of madness.
Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

Treat people as if they were what they ought to be, and you help them
to become what they are capable of being.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)

Vitality shows in not only the ability to persist but the ability to
start over.
F. Scott Fitzgerald

We are not in a position in which we have nothing to work with. We
already have capacities, talents, direction, missions, callings.
Abraham Maslow


We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)


We must become the change we want to see.
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)


Well done is better than well said.
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

What does not kill me makes me stronger.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)

Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius,
power, and magic in it.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)

Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is most important that
you do it.
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long
and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones
which open for us.
Alexander Graham Bell


Whenever I dwell for any length of time on my own shortcomings, they
gradually begin to seem mild harmless, rather engaging little things,
not at all like the staring defects in other people's characters.
Margaret Halsey

Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually
right.
Henry Ford (1863-1947)

Who dares, wins.
Anonymous

You have to do your own growing no matter how tall your grandfather
was.
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)

Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future.
Paul Boese

Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start
from now and make a brand new ending.
Anonymous

We see the brightness of a new page where everything yet can happen.
Rainer Maria Rilke - Book of Hours

What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared
to what lies within us.
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

Why is it that our memory is good enough to retain the least
triviality that happens to us, and yet not good enough to recollect
how often we have told it to the same person?
Francois de La Rouchefoucauld

A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in
anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
Robert Heinlein


A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the
subject.
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)

Boredom is the feeling that everything is a waste of time; serenity,
that nothing is.
Thomas Szasz

Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900

Happiness is good health and a bad memory.
Ingrid Bergman (1917-1982)

Happiness is inward, and not outward; and so, it does not depend on
what we have, but on what we are.
Henry Van *****

Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.
Rabbi H. Schachtel , The Real Enjoyment of Living

He who laughs, lasts.
Mary Pettibone Poole


Remember that happiness is a way of travel, not a destination.
Roy Goodman


The truth is, laughter always sounds more perfect than weeping.
Laughter flows in a violent riff and is effortlessly melodic. Weeping
is often fought, choked, half strangled, or surrendered to with
humiliation.
Anne Rice - Taltos


When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to
laugh at him.
Thomas Szasz - The Second Sin, 1973

Worry never robs tomorrow of its sorrow, it only saps today of its
joy.
Leo Buscaglia


A wise man's question contains half the answer.
Solomon Ibn Gabriel


Every fool knows you can't touch the stars, but it doesn't stop a wise
man from trying.
Harry Anderson

Ignorance of one's misfortunes is clear gain.
Euripides

Live your questions now, and perhaps even without knowing it, you will
live along some distant day into your answers.
Rainer Maria Rilke

Look alive. Here comes a buzzard.
Pogo , character in "Pogo," comic strip by Walt Kelly




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User: "arethusa"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 24 Apr 2004 02:35:34 AM
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:42:58 GMT, Megan wrote:

X-No-Archive: Yes

Really good post. :-) Mind if I borrow this?

not at all. help yourself.
.
User: "Charles"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 24 Apr 2004 02:42:05 AM
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:35:34 -0500, arethusa <denise@onlyarethusa.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:42:58 GMT, Megan wrote:

X-No-Archive: Yes

Really good post. :-) Mind if I borrow this?


not at all. help yourself.

Kind of a twist on the subject of this thread.
<:-)
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-
-does not play well with others
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User: "Kirby Cook"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 24 Apr 2004 01:40:34 PM
Charles wrote:

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:35:34 -0500, arethusa <denise@onlyarethusa.net>
wrote:


On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:42:58 GMT, Megan wrote:


X-No-Archive: Yes

Really good post. :-) Mind if I borrow this?


not at all. help yourself.




Kind of a twist on the subject of this thread.

<:-)

<laughing, thoroughly delighted> I had completely missed that Charles.
Thanks!
Kirby
.

User: "wombn"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 24 Apr 2004 06:41:16 AM
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:42:05 GMT, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:35:34 -0500, arethusa <denise@onlyarethusa.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:42:58 GMT, Megan wrote:

X-No-Archive: Yes

Really good post. :-) Mind if I borrow this?


not at all. help yourself.



Kind of a twist on the subject of this thread.

<:-)

<thinks for several minutes>
bing!
*groan*
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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User: "Megan"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 23 Apr 2004 10:37:14 PM
X-No-Archive: Yes
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:05 GMT, notchimera wrote:

It's just too bad.

Sometimes there's nothing left to save, no reasons left to fight.

I know somebody like that who is still alive, a cyberfriend of mine.
He's got DID and... whatever.
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User: "Megan"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 23 Apr 2004 10:51:29 PM
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:05 GMT, notchimera wrote:

It's just too bad.

Sometimes there's nothing left to save, no reasons left to fight.

Sounds like the depression talking. It's a matter of perspective I
guess. I'm just thankful for the things that I do have, which isn't
much. I take one day at a time. Sometimes one moment at a time.
And I can't say it any better than arethusa. Reading positive stuff
can change your perspective sometimes.
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User: "harakiri"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 23 Apr 2004 05:38:21 PM
eh, maybe life is just about eating, sleeping, eliminating. but no
fighting.
you dont have to post a reply to this next part. i wonder about what made
you leave the cna program. whatever it is, i think it's what makes it
difficult for you to have a job. and eventually drive. i'm no star
employee myself.
"notchimera" <disabilitybum@poverty.com> wrote in message
news:r7ii805mndad1hurkpql7l9l5inbd6v22e@4ax.com...

It's just too bad.

Sometimes there's nothing left to save, no reasons left to fight.

.
User: "alvintchase"

Title: Re: If you cannot save yourself, 24 Apr 2004 11:33:26 AM
I like those quote Denise.I also like these quotes:
http://www.quotegarden.com/be-self.html
http://www.quotegarden.com/self-esteem.html
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