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11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 AM |
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I'm going home to heaven |
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
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| User: "jordy" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:15:10 PM |
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wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
It would be nice if we knew for sure where we were going to go after
we die.... I don't think that heaven is likely at all... It might be
nice, but heaven might be very boring as well, as some people have
pointed out... I like to think that we will still exist in some form,
probably spirit form... the thing that makes me angry sometimes is the
idea that we might not see our loved ones again... that's one of the
things that's most painful about life... that we spend a short amount
of time with our loved ones here on earth... and then they are gone,
perhaps never to be seen again... It's such a horrible, painful
thing... I prefer to think that we reunited again after death, but who
knows, that may very well be wishful thinking... many people say that
this is all there is and that when we die, we are dead, that this life
is all there is... to me that seems like such a depressing thought...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "Bruce." |
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11 Jan 2007 06:30:54 PM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557309.908270.37880@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
many people say that
this is all there is and that when we die, we are dead, that this life
is all there is... to me that seems like such a depressing thought...
At the worst of my depression, I became totally obsessed with what would
happen after my death. Not so much what would happen to me, but what would
happen to the place I occupied in this world? Who would remember me? Why
the hell am I working so hard if nothing I do or create will persist for
long after my death? Two, maybe three generations and then no one will have
any idea who I was. My name will be recorded somewhere in an massive
archive along with billions of other names, never again to be read or
spoken.
For the first time, I understood why rich people contribute and have
buildings named after them. Perhaps a new wing at the local hospital.
Perhaps a charitable foundation. Anything so that the person's name will
live on after they die, for as long as possible. So that who they were will
be remembered and spoken of again.
Now when I see a plaque with the person's name on a building, all I see is
someone that was afraid of what death would mean to their memory. Someone
who lived in fear of being forever forgotten. Someone who wanted their name
to be spoken again long after they're gone. An unhappy person, who just
wanted to be remembered.
Bruce.
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| User: "the_dawggie" |
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18 Jan 2007 08:20:10 PM |
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Bruce. wrote:
At the worst of my depression, I became totally obsessed with what would
happen after my death. Not so much what would happen to me, but what would
happen to the place I occupied in this world? Who would remember me? Why
the hell am I working so hard if nothing I do or create will persist for
long after my death? Two, maybe three generations and then no one will have
Bingo. Hit that one on the head. None of it makes any sense.
any idea who I was. My name will be recorded somewhere in an massive
archive along with billions of other names, never again to be read or
spoken.
Mine will only be on Google as just an average poster.
Myself, I have a great deal of respect for Rudolf Diesel, I would
have really liked to talk to that person. He invented one of the
world's most perfect things - the diesel engine. I'll bet he would
be interesting to talk to on R290 (propane) air conditioning too.
Bear in mind that the way the world works is anything good has
to be destroyed, or out marketed by inferior products. That's the
way it is.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jan 2007 03:50:38 AM |
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On 11 Jan 2007 15:15:10 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
It would be nice if we knew for sure where we were going to go after
we die.... I don't think that heaven is likely at all... It might be
nice, but heaven might be very boring as well, as some people have
pointed out... I like to think that we will still exist in some form,
probably spirit form... the thing that makes me angry sometimes is the
idea that we might not see our loved ones again... that's one of the
things that's most painful about life... that we spend a short amount
of time with our loved ones here on earth... and then they are gone,
perhaps never to be seen again... It's such a horrible, painful
thing... I prefer to think that we reunited again after death, but who
knows, that may very well be wishful thinking... many people say that
this is all there is and that when we die, we are dead, that this life
is all there is... to me that seems like such a depressing thought...
Yes, death being absolutely final does seem depressing at times. But then
everybody here is depressed already so what's the difference? At least if
death is really final, you won't know you're dead. To be alive and
depressed seems worse.
What makes you think heaven would be boring? Or rather what definition of
heaven seems boring to you? To me, spending eternity as some egotistical
gods little pet (e.g. Judeo-Christian) does seem boring. What kind of being
needs to be told how much we love him for eternity? Frankly I think I would
start hating such a god pretty quickly. I suppose I would be tossed out
after snapping one day and telling him he is an incredibly narcissistic
*****.
But what if heaven is whatever each individual makes of it? Not in the film
"What Dreams May Come" sense of depressed people becoming eternally trapped
in self-absorbtion. I mean this in the sense of heaven being a reflection
of every person's highest ideals and their most inventive imaginings. In
other words, all of our depression would be fixed and we could then act out
our ideals. This isn't a stretch if we assume that we have a soul which is
distinct from out chemically operated brains.
What if heaven offered a choice between a central meeting place for all
beings, and separate solipsistic universes where each of us could roam free
with whatever level of control we choose? That would be cool. To be honest,
my initial solipsistic universe would be hedonistic to the extreme. But I
can see how that would become boring after a while, and I would then alter
it to offer more challenges.
Maybe that's what the after-life is. A new choice of challenges.
Or maybe it isn't much choice. Perhaps existence is an automatic process of
learning. "Evil" people will go to "evil" heavens until they learn why
their behavior is wrong. The idea of an "evil" heaven serving as a learning
ground seems to be more in line with a loving God than does an eternal hell
which serves no purpose other than the eternal torture of people who lead
evil, but finite, lives.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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12 Jan 2007 11:16:17 AM |
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On 11 Jan 2007 15:15:10 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
It would be nice if we knew for sure where we were going to go after
we die.... I don't think that heaven is likely at all... It might be
nice, but heaven might be very boring as well, as some people have
pointed out... I like to think that we will still exist in some form,
probably spirit form... the thing that makes me angry sometimes is the
idea that we might not see our loved ones again... that's one of the
things that's most painful about life... that we spend a short amount
of time with our loved ones here on earth... and then they are gone,
perhaps never to be seen again... It's such a horrible, painful
thing... I prefer to think that we reunited again after death, but who
knows, that may very well be wishful thinking... many people say that
this is all there is and that when we die, we are dead, that this life
is all there is... to me that seems like such a depressing thought...
If you haven't already seen "What Dreams May Come" starring Robin Williams,
you should watch it. If Heaven is what I believe it is, it can't be boring.
Heaven is perfection. The ultimate in bliss.
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Rhi
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jan 2007 06:53:01 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:16:17 -0500, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
On 11 Jan 2007 15:15:10 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
It would be nice if we knew for sure where we were going to go after
we die.... I don't think that heaven is likely at all... It might be
nice, but heaven might be very boring as well, as some people have
pointed out... I like to think that we will still exist in some form,
probably spirit form... the thing that makes me angry sometimes is the
idea that we might not see our loved ones again... that's one of the
things that's most painful about life... that we spend a short amount
of time with our loved ones here on earth... and then they are gone,
perhaps never to be seen again... It's such a horrible, painful
thing... I prefer to think that we reunited again after death, but who
knows, that may very well be wishful thinking... many people say that
this is all there is and that when we die, we are dead, that this life
is all there is... to me that seems like such a depressing thought...
If you haven't already seen "What Dreams May Come" starring Robin Williams,
you should watch it. If Heaven is what I believe it is, it can't be boring.
Heaven is perfection. The ultimate in bliss.
I mentioned the film in my response as what not to hope for. The movie
implied that suicides go to hell for the crime of being too self-absorbed.
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2007 03:39:22 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On 11 Jan 2007 15:15:10 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
It would be nice if we knew for sure where we were going to go after
we die.... I don't think that heaven is likely at all... It might be
nice, but heaven might be very boring as well, as some people have
pointed out... I like to think that we will still exist in some form,
probably spirit form... the thing that makes me angry sometimes is the
idea that we might not see our loved ones again... that's one of the
things that's most painful about life... that we spend a short amount
of time with our loved ones here on earth... and then they are gone,
perhaps never to be seen again... It's such a horrible, painful
thing... I prefer to think that we reunited again after death, but who
knows, that may very well be wishful thinking... many people say that
this is all there is and that when we die, we are dead, that this life
is all there is... to me that seems like such a depressing thought...
Yes, death being absolutely final does seem depressing at times. But then
everybody here is depressed already so what's the difference? At least if
death is really final, you won't know you're dead. To be alive and
depressed seems worse.
What makes you think heaven would be boring? Or rather what definition of
heaven seems boring to you? To me, spending eternity as some egotistical
gods little pet (e.g. Judeo-Christian) does seem boring. What kind of being
needs to be told how much we love him for eternity? Frankly I think I would
start hating such a god pretty quickly. I suppose I would be tossed out
after snapping one day and telling him he is an incredibly narcissistic
*****.
But what if heaven is whatever each individual makes of it? Not in the film
"What Dreams May Come" sense of depressed people becoming eternally trapped
in self-absorbtion. I mean this in the sense of heaven being a reflection
of every person's highest ideals and their most inventive imaginings. In
other words, all of our depression would be fixed and we could then act out
our ideals. This isn't a stretch if we assume that we have a soul which is
distinct from out chemically operated brains.
What if heaven offered a choice between a central meeting place for all
beings, and separate solipsistic universes where each of us could roam free
with whatever level of control we choose? That would be cool. To be honest,
my initial solipsistic universe would be hedonistic to the extreme. But I
can see how that would become boring after a while, and I would then alter
it to offer more challenges.
Maybe that's what the after-life is. A new choice of challenges.
Or maybe it isn't much choice. Perhaps existence is an automatic process of
learning. "Evil" people will go to "evil" heavens until they learn why
their behavior is wrong. The idea of an "evil" heaven serving as a learning
ground seems to be more in line with a loving God than does an eternal hell
which serves no purpose other than the eternal torture of people who lead
evil, but finite, lives.
cyberdroog wrote:
....To me, spending eternity as some egotistical
gods little pet (e.g. Judeo-Christian) does seem boring. What kind of
being
needs to be told how much we love him for eternity? Frankly I think I
would
start hating such a god pretty quickly. I suppose I would be tossed out
after snapping one day and telling him he is an incredibly narcissistic
*****...
The way I hear what they believe is this: "God is Love". "God inhabits
the praise of his people"
those are from 'The Book'. To me, who felt a similar way as you, I
learned (or at least it was explained to me in a way I can accept) it's
not that God needs our 'praise'. It's just that while we are here in a
fallen world, we should get under the umbrella of God by acknowledging
he is mighty, and we are not (it's our choice, free will and all). I'm
certainly not mighty enough to fight a superior being, "The Prince of
the world" (from 'The book') . If the devil took jesus up and said,
'bow to me, and all this will be yours', and jesus didn't say, "Ha! I
am the King of the world already!", then the devil COULD give the world
to anyone he chooses. As I hear it, the resurrection defeated the
prince of this world, only he doesn't accept it yet, yada yada...
It's supposed to be the love that cries, "Abba", or in English, "Dadda"
as in dadda googoo, really. And if that is our lot, to be in the state
of security (that they knocked out of me by the age of 12 months, I
guess) with no more cravings for the answer, and He says, "My ways are
so far above your ways" (of thinking, probably), then it should be
alright. I also hear that people who cry out to him at death, for no
better reason than they are scared, receive mercy.
someone mentioned 'not seeing loved ones would suck'. I like to
believe the reports from kids who have had near death experiences, who
say they were helped by relatives on the other side. Yeah, lack of
blood to the brain, lots of great scientific explanations. The Book
says, 'it is impossible to please god without believing he rewards
those who are faithful to him'.
So that's my take on the issue now. It's about things I forget
religiously, like Hope and trust. Not hope based on Santa, but based
on 2000 years of miracles. I don't think those Christians would have
been singing as they burned at the stake in Rome without having gotten
under the umbrella.
just my geist of Zeit
--Frett
But not to
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| User: "GlennT" |
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11 Jan 2007 08:06:48 AM |
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wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Well, if your still alive long enough to read the replies... then that
should begin to tell you something. If you aren't then I'm talking to
myself again.
Always makes we wonder why somebody would take the bother to write a
message like this. I mean to take the effort to write this when other
things would occur to me to be more imperative. Its a bit like racing
to a sale to get that bargain as your last act in this world.
If I should take my life then the last thing I would do is post to a
newsgroup beforehand. If I did it would be something like... "*****
you!"
Anyway, since you've made the effort... have a good trip.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jan 2007 08:53:18 AM |
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On 11 Jan 2007 06:06:48 -0800, "GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
depres...@lifesucks.com wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Well, if your still alive long enough to read the replies... then that
should begin to tell you something. If you aren't then I'm talking to
myself again.
Always makes we wonder why somebody would take the bother to write a
message like this. I mean to take the effort to write this when other
things would occur to me to be more imperative. Its a bit like racing
to a sale to get that bargain as your last act in this world.
Posting such an intent almost always means the person wants to live. It's
like people who down a bottle of pills and then call their significant
other, or a suicide hotline, to tell them. The majority of suicide
"attempts" are just cries for help and are performed with full knowledge
that help will be there.
What pains me is not being able to help. The help that does arrive usually
involves immediately medical treatment and a period of involuntary
observation. Not very helpful to most it seems.
Of course it isn't always talk. Truthseeker made such statements of intent
for a year or more before laying down on the train tracks. Tragic. But it
is proof that killing yourself isn't rocket science. He really wanted to
go, and he went.
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:31:46 AM |
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wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
say hi to my grandpa for me, i miss him.
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| User: "%" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:35:09 AM |
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1168587106.816274.278410@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
depres...@lifesucks.com wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
say hi to my grandpa for me, i miss him.
my house is huge
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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11 Jan 2007 01:14:54 PM |
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In message <mpdcq2h256hj10jnfojaea6hu9u6bihin5@4ax.com>,
depressed@lifesucks.com writes
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
I hope your religion likes suicides.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jan 2007 09:13:56 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:14:54 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <mpdcq2h256hj10jnfojaea6hu9u6bihin5@4ax.com>,
depressed@lifesucks.com writes
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
I hope your religion likes suicides.
No problem. If you are going to kill yourself, the first order of business
is to decide on a religion that does.
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| User: "David" |
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11 Jan 2007 10:27:23 AM |
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Is this something that's just going through your mind, or do you actually
feel like dying? Sometimes this can usually pass if you think of something
else. If it continues for quite awhile you might want to tell a doctor, it
could be a sign of depression.
<depressed@lifesucks.com> wrote in message
news:mpdcq2h256hj10jnfojaea6hu9u6bihin5@4ax.com...
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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11 Jan 2007 08:41:55 AM |
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On 2007-01-11, <> wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
That statement doesn't leave much scope for discussion, but posting it
suggests that you want some sort of feedback. So, your move.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
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| User: "Luna" |
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11 Jan 2007 10:47:26 AM |
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On Jan 11, 5:13 am, wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Heaven? You sure about that?
Jean
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| User: "%" |
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11 Jan 2007 10:51:16 AM |
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"Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168534046.287426.206390@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 5:13 am, wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Heaven? You sure about that?
Jean
the BC population is growing
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jan 2007 09:10:12 AM |
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On 11 Jan 2007 08:47:26 -0800, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 11, 5:13 am, wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Heaven? You sure about that?
Depends on the religion. A Reformed Rabbi I once spoke to felt that suicide
results in a rebirth into the same circumstances until some lesson is
learned.
Many Christians feel that suicide is not an unforgivable sin. They tend to
be the more rational (if that word can apply to religious people) types who
feel that suicide as a result of mental disease or defect is not a sin any
more than dying of a brain tumor is a sin. The deceased will open their
eyes before God and God will say "You were broken, but now you are whole."
Look at all the Old Testament examples of people falling on their swords. I
don't recall any mention of them being damned. Of course being damned is
primarily a New Testament idea. What we need is a New and Improved
Testament. Preferably one with a messiah who says things that are actually
true and really work.
Hindus and Buddhists both believe in some form of rebirth or transcendence
to another form, often for the purpose of learning a lesson that must be
learned to pass to a higher level.
Muslims? That's simple. If you kill yourself while taking out some
infidels, you're all set. Otherwise, I don't think Allah approves.
Atheists? What's the difference? Once you are dead you don't know it.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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11 Jan 2007 10:50:30 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Dead is dead.
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| User: "jill" |
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12 Jan 2007 12:11:30 PM |
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Ivan Marsh wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Dead is dead.
Thats heavy Ivan, deep thoughts , haha, how is the new car?
happy new year, JILL
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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12 Jan 2007 12:31:31 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:11:30 -0800, jill wrote:
Ivan Marsh wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Dead is dead.
Thats heavy Ivan, deep thoughts , haha, how is the new car?
happy new year, JILL
It's very, very cool.
I did have to replace the battery... My research suggesting it was going
to be expensive to maintain was not incorrect.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jan 2007 09:12:19 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:50:30 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Dead is dead.
Maybe not. No information is ever lost in the space/time continuum. So
reincarnation, either by a God or the end result of man's understanding of
quantum physics, might be possible.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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13 Jan 2007 12:57:18 AM |
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In message <j79fq2ddv7pckb89qjsj7qekhips7mbnq3@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:50:30 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Dead is dead.
Maybe not. No information is ever lost in the space/time continuum.
When I die, my memories will go with me.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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12 Jan 2007 12:29:52 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:12:19 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:50:30 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Dead is dead.
Maybe not. No information is ever lost in the space/time continuum. So
reincarnation, either by a God or the end result of man's understanding
of quantum physics, might be possible.
The information isn't lost but there's no reason to believe that it exists
at any point in time other than it's relative "now".
A Slaughterhouse Five existence, moving uncontrollably through a life
already lived unable to change events in the slightest is much more likely
than being reincarnated.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: I'm going home to heaven |
12 Jan 2007 06:55:07 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:29:52 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:12:19 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:50:30 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've suffered
the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going home to
heaven.
Dead is dead.
Maybe not. No information is ever lost in the space/time continuum. So
reincarnation, either by a God or the end result of man's understanding
of quantum physics, might be possible.
The information isn't lost but there's no reason to believe that it exists
at any point in time other than it's relative "now".
And why is that a problem? No information being lost implies that it might
be possible to view any "now" and retrieve the quantum signature of
anything that ever existed.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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| Title: Re: I'm going home to heaven |
15 Jan 2007 10:44:19 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:55:07 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:29:52 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:12:19 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:50:30 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now>
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:13:20 -0600, depressed wrote:
I have lived long enough, today is the day I will die. I've
suffered the pain of life far too long. Today is the day I'm going
home to heaven.
Dead is dead.
Maybe not. No information is ever lost in the space/time continuum. So
reincarnation, either by a God or the end result of man's
understanding of quantum physics, might be possible.
The information isn't lost but there's no reason to believe that it
exists at any point in time other than it's relative "now".
And why is that a problem? No information being lost implies that it
might be possible to view any "now" and retrieve the quantum signature
of anything that ever existed.
I have no doubt that any being capable of perceiving time as other than
the linear progression we perceive it as has that ability.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: I'm going home to heaven |
16 Jan 2007 03:12:39 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:44:19 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:55:07 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:29:52 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
The information isn't lost but there's no reason to believe that it
exists at any point in time other than it's relative "now".
And why is that a problem? No information being lost implies that it
might be possible to view any "now" and retrieve the quantum signature
of anything that ever existed.
I have no doubt that any being capable of perceiving time as other than
the linear progression we perceive it as has that ability.
The Omega Point is/will be/is both omnipotent and omniscient.
But I don't think he has a reputable representative on earth. If anyone
knows otherwise, my checkbook is waiting...
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: I'm going home to heaven |
16 Jan 2007 05:57:08 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:44:19 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:55:07 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:29:52 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
The information isn't lost but there's no reason to believe that it
exists at any point in time other than it's relative "now".
And why is that a problem? No information being lost implies that it
might be possible to view any "now" and retrieve the quantum signature
of anything that ever existed.
I have no doubt that any being capable of perceiving time as other than
the linear progression we perceive it as has that ability.
The Omega Point is/will be/is both omnipotent and omniscient.
But I don't think he has a reputable representative on earth. If anyone
knows otherwise, my checkbook is waiting...
I've been telling people for years that the only reality is their
perceptions... but nobody ever listens. I know it is only my
perceptions that I struggle with. Whereas reality is whatever I tell it
to be. I believe the Omega Point is buried inside of us all.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: I'm going home to heaven |
17 Jan 2007 12:17:39 AM |
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On 16 Jan 2007 03:57:08 -0800, "GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
I've been telling people for years that the only reality is their
perceptions... but nobody ever listens. I know it is only my
perceptions that I struggle with. Whereas reality is whatever I tell it
to be. I believe the Omega Point is buried inside of us all.
Reality is whatever you tell it to be? If it's no trouble, could you tell
reality that I'm rich and famous?
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: I'm going home to heaven |
17 Jan 2007 03:45:16 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On 16 Jan 2007 03:57:08 -0800, "GlennT" <trucage@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
I've been telling people for years that the only reality is their
perceptions... but nobody ever listens. I know it is only my
perceptions that I struggle with. Whereas reality is whatever I tell it
to be. I believe the Omega Point is buried inside of us all.
Reality is whatever you tell it to be? If it's no trouble, could you tell
reality that I'm rich and famous?
Yes. You are rich and famous to me. However, that won't help you a jot.
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