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"Indigo Moon Man" |
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22 Aug 2004 09:24:44 AM |
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Indigo is in the hospital... |
Hello all,
this is Indigo's wife. We went to the hospital today and the doc asked him
to stay voluntarily, cause he wanted to give him this medication Tavor (or
something like that) and they don't like to give it to outpatients. So he
won't be posting for about a week or so. He already complained not having a
computer :). Either way, they uped his Risperdal to 6mg and he gets that
Tavor 3mg a day... I don't know if that is good or bad. If anyone can
enlighten me on the Tavor, I'd be most grateful. Also, if Thomas Dehn is
reading this... I would like some information as to how a "geschlossene" is
run in Germany. The doc asked my husband if he wanted the "Offene" or the
"Geschlossene" and my husband oped for the clsoed one... so if you could
give me info on that, I'd be most grateful.
God bless you all
Indigo's wife
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| User: "Jamal Chapultapec" |
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23 Aug 2004 07:33:28 PM |
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Ah, yes, Indigo Moon Man. Another brainless ***** in this board that I
wrapped around my little finger.
Well, I've already had my way with him. Let him die. I don't care.
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| User: "Luna" |
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23 Aug 2004 07:50:42 PM |
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"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954ED124C4102youremailcom@68.12.19.6...
Ah, yes, Indigo Moon Man. Another brainless ***** in this board that I
wrapped around my little finger.
Well, I've already had my way with him. Let him die. I don't care.
Who cares if you care? Don't you get it? Your weird fucked up "feelings" have
nothing to do with anything. Shut up. Stand over there in the irrelevant
impotent rage corner where you belong. You don't have the strength to be a
decent human being. You caved, it's okay, happens every day to weakling pathetic
whiners like yerself.
(why anyone tries to rationalize with this tiny little monster is beyond me)
Jean =====> let's hear again about that superior intellect you possess. oh god,
it must suck to be such an obvious idiot and yet be so prolific in your claims
to superiority.
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| User: "kerfoker" |
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23 Aug 2004 08:29:30 PM |
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Luna wrote:
"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954ED124C4102youremailcom@68.12.19.6...
Ah, yes, Indigo Moon Man. Another brainless ***** in this board that I
wrapped around my little finger.
Well, I've already had my way with him. Let him die. I don't care.
Who cares if you care? Don't you get it? Your weird fucked up "feelings" have
nothing to do with anything. Shut up. Stand over there in the irrelevant
impotent rage corner where you belong. You don't have the strength to be a
decent human being. You caved, it's okay, happens every day to weakling pathetic
whiners like yerself.
(why anyone tries to rationalize with this tiny little monster is beyond me)
Jean =====> let's hear again about that superior intellect you possess. oh god,
it must suck to be such an obvious idiot and yet be so prolific in your claims
to superiority.
Yeah, oooooooo - that Jamal is so deep.
It's easier to express idiocy then to say something profound isn't it.
That's what struck me when he made those comments about wanting to see
the olympic gymnasts shot. Here's a guy who when he sees attempts at
historical
greatness can only react with aspirations of destruction because that's
the limit of his imagination. You have to pity someone like that with
such puny wherewithal.
Negative attention is better than no attention at all so here we have
Jamal. If he didn't have his antisocial cliche` personality he wouldn't
have much of a personality at all, would he. And that's what he's afraid
of...being a zero. So he carries on trying to get people to "Look at
me! Look at me! I am such an ***** you can't help but look at me
hahaha! I'm so smart that I figured that out!"
-Fred
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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23 Aug 2004 08:49:51 PM |
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"kerfoker" <kerfoker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:412A99EC.55BE@ix.netcom.com...
Luna wrote:
"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954ED124C4102youremailcom@68.12.19.6...
Ah, yes, Indigo Moon Man. Another brainless ***** in this board that I
wrapped around my little finger.
Well, I've already had my way with him. Let him die. I don't care.
Who cares if you care? Don't you get it? Your weird fucked up
"feelings" have
nothing to do with anything. Shut up. Stand over there in the
irrelevant
impotent rage corner where you belong. You don't have the strength to
be a
decent human being. You caved, it's okay, happens every day to weakling
pathetic
whiners like yerself.
(why anyone tries to rationalize with this tiny little monster is beyond
me)
Jean =====> let's hear again about that superior intellect you possess.
oh god,
it must suck to be such an obvious idiot and yet be so prolific in your
claims
to superiority.
Yeah, oooooooo - that Jamal is so deep.
It's easier to express idiocy then to say something profound isn't it.
That's what struck me when he made those comments about wanting to see
the olympic gymnasts shot. Here's a guy who when he sees attempts at
historical
greatness can only react with aspirations of destruction because that's
the limit of his imagination. You have to pity someone like that with
such puny wherewithal.
Negative attention is better than no attention at all so here we have
Jamal. If he didn't have his antisocial cliche` personality he wouldn't
have much of a personality at all, would he. And that's what he's afraid
of...being a zero. So he carries on trying to get people to "Look at
me! Look at me! I am such an ***** you can't help but look at me
hahaha! I'm so smart that I figured that out!"
-Fred
reminds me of me
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| User: "Luna" |
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23 Aug 2004 08:38:29 PM |
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"kerfoker" <kerfoker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:412A99EC.55BE@ix.netcom.com...
Luna wrote:
"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954ED124C4102youremailcom@68.12.19.6...
Ah, yes, Indigo Moon Man. Another brainless ***** in this board that I
wrapped around my little finger.
Well, I've already had my way with him. Let him die. I don't care.
Who cares if you care? Don't you get it? Your weird fucked up "feelings"
have
nothing to do with anything. Shut up. Stand over there in the irrelevant
impotent rage corner where you belong. You don't have the strength to be a
decent human being. You caved, it's okay, happens every day to weakling
pathetic
whiners like yerself.
(why anyone tries to rationalize with this tiny little monster is beyond me)
Jean =====> let's hear again about that superior intellect you possess. oh
god,
it must suck to be such an obvious idiot and yet be so prolific in your
claims
to superiority.
Yeah, oooooooo - that Jamal is so deep.
That Jamal is the posterchild for vapid rage disguised as intellectual
superiority, or something....
It's easier to express idiocy then to say something profound isn't it.
That's what struck me when he made those comments about wanting to see
the olympic gymnasts shot. Here's a guy who when he sees attempts at
historical
greatness can only react with aspirations of destruction because that's
the limit of his imagination. You have to pity someone like that with
such puny wherewithal.
I don't have much pity for the Jamal's within us. More like, wow! I hope
velvetelvis's message to the FBI went THROUGH. I hope evil fucks like him can
be stopped, prevented, rendered impotent. I truly hope that people like him
will be velvet roped into dark, concrete grey cells that are inescapable. He
needs to be isolated.
Negative attention is better than no attention at all so here we have
Jamal. If he didn't have his antisocial cliche` personality he wouldn't
have much of a personality at all, would he. And that's what he's afraid
of...being a zero. So he carries on trying to get people to "Look at
me! Look at me! I am such an ***** you can't help but look at me
hahaha! I'm so smart that I figured that out!"
Jamal really thinks he's a genius. Jamal is everything that's wrong with
everything, condensed, for all of us to see. Jamal is a public service
announcement. Thanks, Jamal.
Jean
-Fred
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| User: "kerfoker" |
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23 Aug 2004 08:56:30 PM |
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Luna wrote:
"kerfoker" <kerfoker@ix.netcom.com> wrote
It's easier to express idiocy then to say something profound isn't it.
That's what struck me when he made those comments about wanting to see
the olympic gymnasts shot. Here's a guy who when he sees attempts at
historical
greatness can only react with aspirations of destruction because that's
the limit of his imagination. You have to pity someone like that with
such puny wherewithal.
I don't have much pity for the Jamal's within us. More like, wow! I hope
velvetelvis's message to the FBI went THROUGH. I hope evil fucks like him can
be stopped, prevented, rendered impotent. I truly hope that people like him
will be velvet roped into dark, concrete grey cells that are inescapable. He
needs to be isolated.
Yeah well, Mom and Dad won't live forever. With his need for someone
to take care of him my bet is that he'll be that foul nasty old man in
room
#27 of the local board and care home 30 or so years from now. His
future's
so bright he needs a klieg light.
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| User: "Gayle" |
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23 Aug 2004 11:11:58 PM |
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Luna wrote:
I don't have much pity for the Jamal's within us. More like, wow! I hope
velvetelvis's message to the FBI went THROUGH. I hope evil fucks like him can
be stopped, prevented, rendered impotent. I truly hope that people like him
will be velvet roped into dark, concrete grey cells that are inescapable. He
needs to be isolated.
So you think the U.S. government should be hunting down people who write things on
Usenet? Wow. Unless you're kidding?
Gayle
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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23 Aug 2004 11:19:32 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412AC00D.165208C6@rcn.com...
Luna wrote:
I don't have much pity for the Jamal's within us. More like, wow! I
hope
velvetelvis's message to the FBI went THROUGH. I hope evil fucks like
him can
be stopped, prevented, rendered impotent. I truly hope that people like
him
will be velvet roped into dark, concrete grey cells that are
inescapable. He
needs to be isolated.
So you think the U.S. government should be hunting down people who write
things on
Usenet? Wow. Unless you're kidding?
Gayle
i should be hunted down , but like in Planet Of The Apes ,
be carefull you might not like what you find
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| User: "Gayle" |
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23 Aug 2004 11:35:00 PM |
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"%" wrote:
i should be hunted down , but like in Planet Of The Apes ,
be carefull you might not like what you find
Hunted down why? And didn't they find the Statue of Liberty buried in sand? I
forget.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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23 Aug 2004 11:44:12 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412AC574.585B779C@rcn.com...
"%" wrote:
i should be hunted down , but like in Planet Of The Apes ,
be carefull you might not like what you find
Hunted down why? And didn't they find the Statue of Liberty buried in
sand? I
forget.
well i was told earlier today in another group ,
that they were going to hunt me down and hurt me ,
and i said i'll help you ,
when you get to Prince George e-mail me ,
and i'll give you more directions ,
but don't be upset if what you find isn't afraid ,
so i guess i was just recalling ,
but yes , Heston found Lady Liberty smashed with her light out ,
like alot of women i know , but nevermind that
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| User: "Gayle" |
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24 Aug 2004 12:04:54 AM |
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"%" wrote:
well i was told earlier today in another group ,
that they were going to hunt me down and hurt me ,
and i said i'll help you ,
when you get to Prince George e-mail me ,
and i'll give you more directions ,
but don't be upset if what you find isn't afraid ,
so i guess i was just recalling ,
but yes , Heston found Lady Liberty smashed with her light out ,
like alot of women i know , but nevermind that
About how many times has someone threatened to do that to you, if you can
estimate. I've read it probably 4-5 times here just in a few years. But I read
it all over Usenet and it kinda cracks me up. Does it ever go further than the
posturing? It must sometimes. Not in your case, just in general.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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24 Aug 2004 12:14:32 AM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412ACC75.32B550AE@rcn.com...
"%" wrote:
well i was told earlier today in another group ,
that they were going to hunt me down and hurt me ,
and i said i'll help you ,
when you get to Prince George e-mail me ,
and i'll give you more directions ,
but don't be upset if what you find isn't afraid ,
so i guess i was just recalling ,
but yes , Heston found Lady Liberty smashed with her light out ,
like alot of women i know , but nevermind that
About how many times has someone threatened to do that to you, if you can
estimate. I've read it probably 4-5 times here just in a few years. But I
read
it all over Usenet and it kinda cracks me up. Does it ever go further than
the
posturing? It must sometimes. Not in your case, just in general.
it never has in this medium ,
but it was a reality once in another public format thing ,
one look at me with hands full of boom and cooler heads prevailed ,
they came inside we drank smoked and laughed , they're still friends ,
but if they aren't coming , you're not getting to them , % motto
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| User: "Gayle" |
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24 Aug 2004 12:34:44 AM |
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"%" wrote:
"it never has in this medium ,
but it was a reality once in another public format thing ,
one look at me with hands full of boom and cooler heads prevailed ,
they came inside we drank smoked and laughed , they're still friends ,
but if they aren't coming , you're not getting to them , % motto
Oh 'hands full of boom' -- I love it. Maybe I should start filing your lines
to string together an epic poem like Ginsberg's 'Howl'. Anyways ... clearly the
medication has kicked in, so g'night and I'm glad they're still your friends.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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24 Aug 2004 12:40:26 AM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412AD374.2E14CA7F@rcn.com...
"%" wrote:
"it never has in this medium ,
but it was a reality once in another public format thing ,
one look at me with hands full of boom and cooler heads prevailed ,
they came inside we drank smoked and laughed , they're still friends ,
but if they aren't coming , you're not getting to them , % motto
Oh 'hands full of boom' -- I love it. Maybe I should start filing your
lines
to string together an epic poem like Ginsberg's 'Howl'. Anyways ...
clearly the
medication has kicked in, so g'night and I'm glad they're still your
friends.
see ya
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| User: "Luna" |
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24 Aug 2004 07:10:01 AM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412AC00D.165208C6@rcn.com...
Luna wrote:
I don't have much pity for the Jamal's within us. More like, wow! I hope
velvetelvis's message to the FBI went THROUGH. I hope evil fucks like him
can
be stopped, prevented, rendered impotent. I truly hope that people like him
will be velvet roped into dark, concrete grey cells that are inescapable.
He
needs to be isolated.
So you think the U.S. government should be hunting down people who write
things on
Usenet? Wow. Unless you're kidding?
Hi Gayliekins,
No, I wasn't kidding but you made me think about it. Made me think back on Joe.
How about this revision: if someone writes about an intention to do harm than
yes, writing should be subject to the same laws that speaking are. If they're
just fantasizing about doing harm and writing about their fantasies, distasteful
as that may be, then leave 'em alone.
Here in Canada we have a hate crime law - which means that people aren't
permitted to write AND distribute any literature which promotes violence against
another group. I'm comfy with that.
Have you seen the movie "Minority Report"? It's thesis is that crimes,
specifically murders, are able to be foreseen and so the "murderer" is arrested
before they have a chance to commit the crime. Which would've been great if the
corrupt dude in the movie didn't manage to twist the system to suit his own
nefarious purposes.
Jean
Jean
Gayle
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| User: "Gayle" |
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24 Aug 2004 08:41:39 AM |
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Luna wrote:
Hi Gayliekins,
No, I wasn't kidding but you made me think about it. Made me think back on Joe.
Me, too. And I thought about when the FBI did come aknockin' (at night, of course),
it was on the door of another poster (Grandmother Spider) because they thought she
could, and would, ID him. That must have been very frightening for her -- and all
she was doing was being 'nice' to someone who wrote things on Usenet that disturbed
some other people. It bothers me still.
How about this revision: if someone writes about an intention to do harm than
yes, writing should be subject to the same laws that speaking are. If they're
just fantasizing about doing harm and writing about their fantasies, distasteful
as that may be, then leave 'em alone.
But who is to judge what someone's intentions are? Or whether the talk is just
fantasy or rhetoric? My fear is that when it's okay with citizens that a government
feels free to act pre-emptively based on what someone might do, it becomes easier,
on a bigger scale, to justify things like invading another country because it might
have weapons of mass destruction and might use them. Oh wait ... that's already
happened.
Here in Canada we have a hate crime law - which means that people aren't
permitted to write AND distribute any literature which promotes violence against
another group. I'm comfy with that.
There's hate crime legislation here, too -- and I hate it. heh. Making hate illegal
doesn't make it go away and I like to know who the haters are. And why they hate.
During an era of book banning in Boston, Herman Melville wrote, 'It is action, and
not words, which should be forbidden.' I guess I'm more comfortable with the
antidote to free speech being more free speech.
Have you seen the movie "Minority Report"? It's thesis is that crimes,
specifically murders, are able to be foreseen and so the "murderer" is arrested
before they have a chance to commit the crime.
No, I haven't seen it but I will check it out. I'm reading a book now about the
history of the American eugenics movement which included sterilizing folks who were
'predicted' to reproduce mentally defective children. (The State Boys Rebellion,
Michael D'Antonio). Now there's talk of a 'violence gene' and what to do with
people born with it. I do think the gene pool is a little murky in places but that
kind of talk makes me wanna shiver.
Which would've been great if the
corrupt dude in the movie didn't manage to twist the system to suit his own
nefarious purposes.
Well, that's the thing. One would have to trust the intentions and judgment of
those in charge of the system. I don't trust anyone to use, wisely or well, the
kind of power that makes it okay to 'stop' people before they do anything. Or to
have the legal authority to question them about what they write on Usenet. Anyways,
no need to agree on this cuz I respect your right to say anything whether I agree
or not.
Gayle
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| User: "Luna" |
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24 Aug 2004 06:48:17 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412B4593.4EACB2DE@rcn.com...
Luna wrote:
Hi Gayliekins,
No, I wasn't kidding but you made me think about it. Made me think back on
Joe.
Me, too. And I thought about when the FBI did come aknockin' (at night, of
course),
it was on the door of another poster (Grandmother Spider) because they thought
she
could, and would, ID him. That must have been very frightening for her -- and
all
she was doing was being 'nice' to someone who wrote things on Usenet that
disturbed
some other people. It bothers me still.
Sarah seems to me to be a tough one so I don't waste my worry there.
How about this revision: if someone writes about an intention to do harm
than
yes, writing should be subject to the same laws that speaking are. If
they're
just fantasizing about doing harm and writing about their fantasies,
distasteful
as that may be, then leave 'em alone.
But who is to judge what someone's intentions are? Or whether the talk is just
fantasy or rhetoric? My fear is that when it's okay with citizens that a
government
feels free to act pre-emptively based on what someone might do, it becomes
easier,
on a bigger scale, to justify things like invading another country because it
might
have weapons of mass destruction and might use them. Oh wait ... that's
already
happened.
heh, yes it is pretty clear that that particular ideal, cherished as it is,
isn't really working. Or rather, it's been bastardized to the point that it's
not really working.
How about this idea? If someone measures BIG on the scale of sickfuckery -
referring to Jamal here, he's got all of the hatred and none of the insight of a
Joe - it might be worthwhile to watch someone like that for the sole reason
that it has the potential of saving a life. Life preservation being the
ultimate highest ground, of course.
Here in Canada we have a hate crime law - which means that people aren't
permitted to write AND distribute any literature which promotes violence
against
another group. I'm comfy with that.
There's hate crime legislation here, too -- and I hate it. heh. Making hate
illegal
doesn't make it go away and I like to know who the haters are. And why they
hate.
During an era of book banning in Boston, Herman Melville wrote, 'It is action,
and
not words, which should be forbidden.' I guess I'm more comfortable with the
antidote to free speech being more free speech.
Probably because you are a writer, but could you even imagine producing the sort
of propoganda that the free speech protections afford you the right to produce?
You don't NEED those protections, I suspect - it's other writers who do, crappy
so-called writers who just stream of consciousness their stripped clean of
politery falwellian rants...these are people whose brain cells have games of
double solitaire with each other because there aren't enough of 'em to play
Bridge, eh? Call me a completely egocentric commonsensian - I think that I
should be in charge of the world and get to decide who gets a voice and who
doesn't. Of course this is a ridiculous idea and I see your point - Jean Cannot
Decide. Damn though, I wish it was all up to me.
Have you seen the movie "Minority Report"? It's thesis is that crimes,
specifically murders, are able to be foreseen and so the "murderer" is
arrested
before they have a chance to commit the crime.
No, I haven't seen it but I will check it out. I'm reading a book now about
the
history of the American eugenics movement which included sterilizing folks who
were
'predicted' to reproduce mentally defective children. (The State Boys
Rebellion,
Michael D'Antonio). Now there's talk of a 'violence gene' and what to do with
people born with it. I do think the gene pool is a little murky in places but
that
kind of talk makes me wanna shiver.
Yeah, moi aussi.
Which would've been great if the
corrupt dude in the movie didn't manage to twist the system to suit his own
nefarious purposes.
Well, that's the thing. One would have to trust the intentions and judgment of
those in charge of the system. I don't trust anyone to use, wisely or well,
the
kind of power that makes it okay to 'stop' people before they do anything. Or
to
have the legal authority to question them about what they write on Usenet.
Anyways,
no need to agree on this cuz I respect your right to say anything whether I
agree
or not.
Of course you do and it flows towards you as well. Besides, I think you're more
"right" here than I am.
My ideal world: people like Jamal who write about their desires to riddle
Olympic female gymnasts with bullets get put away in a pre-emptive manner...it
may not be pretty or even democratic but I see it as a prophylactic measure.
Saving lives, cleaning things up. I'm just soooo sick of mindless, stupid
violence by hopelessly fucked up losers who seem to think they're entitled to
extract life in some bid for therapeutic revenge. I know it's not workable
because of the millions of excellent questions about this sort of "judgement"
(like #1 - who's in charge?) but I can fantasize, right?
Jean
Gayle
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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24 Aug 2004 10:51:00 AM |
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Gayle wrote:
Luna wrote:
How about this revision: if someone writes about an intention to do harm
than
yes, writing should be subject to the same laws that speaking are. If
they're just fantasizing about doing harm and writing about their
fantasies, distasteful as that may be, then leave 'em alone.
But who is to judge what someone's intentions are? Or whether the talk is
just fantasy or rhetoric? My fear is that when it's okay with citizens
that a government feels free to act pre-emptively based on what someone
might do, it becomes easier, on a bigger scale, to justify things like
invading another country because it might have weapons of mass destruction
and might use them. Oh wait ... that's already happened.
Had that comment been made by someone who hadn't already shown a tendency
for sociopathic thinking, I'd not have looked twice at it. It's a matter
of context. I'm sure many of us have had moments of reverie where the
thought of violence pleased us. It was not his post that disturbed me per
se, It was the post as part of a pattern of posts that I found kinda scary.
I've been a card carrying member of assorted Marxist groups for years now.
I'm sure I'm on some kind of watch list somewhere, at least I hope I am.
With my politics, frankly, domestic intellegence wouldn't be doing its job
if they were not at least aware of me. Considering that people are on
watch lists for subscribing to extreme political philosophies, it only
makes sense that people should be on lists for being sociopathic loons.
--
MYTHOLOGY, n. The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its
origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from
the true accounts which it invents later.
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: Indigo is in the hospital... |
24 Aug 2004 11:35:19 AM |
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Velvet Elvis wrote:
Had that comment been made by someone who hadn't already shown a tendency
for sociopathic thinking, I'd not have looked twice at it.
If his words disturb you, why look at all? The only power a writer has is
derived when he/she is read.
It's a matter
of context. I'm sure many of us have had moments of reverie where the
thought of violence pleased us. It was not his post that disturbed me per
se, It was the post as part of a pattern of posts that I found kinda scary.
Well, I find the idea of the government involved in policing moments of reverie
-- i.e. 'thought' crimes -- kinda scary.
I've been a card carrying member of assorted Marxist groups for years now.
I'm sure I'm on some kind of watch list somewhere, at least I hope I am.
With my politics, frankly, domestic intellegence wouldn't be doing its job
if they were not at least aware of me.
Do you think it helps you feel more powerful if the government considers you to
be dangerous? I believe my name is on lists, too, for similar reasons as yours
might be -- and I'm proud of it. But what societal benefit does this domestic
intelligence 'awareness' serve? Does it make the world a safer place? I don't
think it does. And it has a chilling effect on dissent.
Considering that people are on
watch lists for subscribing to extreme political philosophies, it only
makes sense that people should be on lists for being sociopathic loons.
There ya go -- I'm in favor of the discourse extreme political philosophers
bring to the mix. It makes for a richer outcome, imo, so I don't want those
words to be silenced. And, while I respect your opinion ... just because you've
decided he's a sociopathic loon, it doesn't necessarily make him one. Frankly,
I'd need evidence of behavior, not just words, before I'd make that leap.
Haven't the watchers got enough to do watching folks who've actually done
something?
Gayle
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Indigo is in the hospital... |
24 Aug 2004 11:38:49 AM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412B6E46.6A2ADFA5@rcn.com...
Velvet Elvis wrote:
Had that comment been made by someone who hadn't already shown a
tendency
for sociopathic thinking, I'd not have looked twice at it.
If his words disturb you, why look at all? The only power a writer has is
derived when he/she is read.
It's a matter
of context. I'm sure many of us have had moments of reverie where the
thought of violence pleased us. It was not his post that disturbed me
per
se, It was the post as part of a pattern of posts that I found kinda
scary.
Well, I find the idea of the government involved in policing moments of
reverie
-- i.e. 'thought' crimes -- kinda scary.
I've been a card carrying member of assorted Marxist groups for years
now.
I'm sure I'm on some kind of watch list somewhere, at least I hope I am.
With my politics, frankly, domestic intellegence wouldn't be doing its
job
if they were not at least aware of me.
Do you think it helps you feel more powerful if the government considers
you to
be dangerous? I believe my name is on lists, too, for similar reasons as
yours
might be -- and I'm proud of it. But what societal benefit does this
domestic
intelligence 'awareness' serve? Does it make the world a safer place? I
don't
think it does. And it has a chilling effect on dissent.
Considering that people are on
watch lists for subscribing to extreme political philosophies, it only
makes sense that people should be on lists for being sociopathic loons.
There ya go -- I'm in favor of the discourse extreme political
philosophers
bring to the mix. It makes for a richer outcome, imo, so I don't want
those
words to be silenced. And, while I respect your opinion ... just because
you've
decided he's a sociopathic loon, it doesn't necessarily make him one.
Frankly,
I'd need evidence of behavior, not just words, before I'd make that leap.
Haven't the watchers got enough to do watching folks who've actually done
something?
Gayle
i could be a loon , i could , i could if i wanna
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: Indigo is in the hospital... |
24 Aug 2004 11:55:14 AM |
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"%" wrote:
i could be a loon , i could , i could if i wanna
Do ya think there might be folks who maybe already believe you are based on
some of what you write?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Indigo is in the hospital... |
24 Aug 2004 11:59:28 AM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412B72F1.A80BA0E9@rcn.com...
"%" wrote:
i could be a loon , i could , i could if i wanna
Do ya think there might be folks who maybe already believe you are based
on
some of what you write?
what's wrong with what i write ?
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| User: "Gayle" |
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24 Aug 2004 12:10:53 PM |
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"%" wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:412B72F1.A80BA0E9@rcn.com...
"%" wrote:
i could be a loon , i could , i could if i wanna
Do ya think there might be folks who maybe already believe you are based
on
some of what you write?
what's wrong with what i write ?
Nothing's wrong with it. imo. But I think others with a different opinion may
have contacted yer ISP in the past and disrupted your access. But I don't know
if they thought you were a 'loon' or not.
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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| Title: Re: Indigo is in the hospital... |
24 Aug 2004 12:38:47 PM |
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Gayle wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
Had that comment been made by someone who hadn't already shown a tendency
for sociopathic thinking, I'd not have looked twice at it.
If his words disturb you, why look at all? The only power a writer has is
derived when he/she is read.
It's not just words. It's a speech act.
While I'm not crazy about government sticking its head into peoples' lives,
I'm not totaly sold on inalienable human rights, individual liberties and
all the claptrap that goes with classical liberalism either. I think
society should be self-poliecing. As I consider myself a generaly decent
person, I consider myself to have the moral obligation to act in the best
interest of society and therefore be wary of individuals who show
antisocial tendencies.
I didn't actualy send that post to the FBI btw, but that was only because I
was too damn tired. Under other circumstances I would have done so, so I
will continue to defend the act as if I actualy did it.
It's a matter
of context. I'm sure many of us have had moments of reverie where the
thought of violence pleased us. It was not his post that disturbed me
per se, It was the post as part of a pattern of posts that I found kinda
scary.
Well, I find the idea of the government involved in policing moments of
reverie -- i.e. 'thought' crimes -- kinda scary.
I've been a card carrying member of assorted Marxist groups for years
now. I'm sure I'm on some kind of watch list somewhere, at least I hope I
am. With my politics, frankly, domestic intellegence wouldn't be doing
its job if they were not at least aware of me.
Do you think it helps you feel more powerful if the government considers
you to be dangerous? I believe my name is on lists, too, for similar
reasons as yours might be -- and I'm proud of it. But what societal
benefit does this domestic intelligence 'awareness' serve? Does it make
the world a safer place? I don't think it does. And it has a chilling
effect on dissent.
More powerful? No. It makes me feel a bit safer though. A governement has
the duty to defend itself from those who may wish to overthrow it just as
those who feel that a government which has ceased to serve the governed
have the duty to overthow it. A government for and by the governed would
not be acting in the best interest of the governed if it did not protect
itself from those seeking to overthow it.
Considering that people are on
watch lists for subscribing to extreme political philosophies, it only
makes sense that people should be on lists for being sociopathic loons.
There ya go -- I'm in favor of the discourse extreme political
philosophers bring to the mix. It makes for a richer outcome, imo, so I
don't want those words to be silenced. And, while I respect your opinion
... just because you've decided he's a sociopathic loon, it doesn't
necessarily make him one. Frankly, I'd need evidence of behavior, not just
words, before I'd make that leap. Haven't the watchers got enough to do
watching folks who've actually done something?
I don't want them silenced either. I do think that individuals who talk
over and over about their desire to do violence upon others should be the
subject of concern however. Keeping an eye on someone is not the same thing
as silencing them.
--
MYTHOLOGY, n. The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its
origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from
the true accounts which it invents later.
-Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: Indigo is in the hospital... |
24 Aug 2004 02:30:08 PM |
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Velvet Elvis wrote:
Gayle wrote:
If his words disturb you, why look at all? The only power a writer has is
derived when he/she is read.
It's not just words. It's a speech act.
Sorry, Velvet Elvis, but I'm not going to move anywhere near agreeing that
words and ideas are the same as actions. I have listened to those who do,
though, and I promise that my position is well thought out. I'll assume yours
is, too, and perhaps we can agree to disagree.
While I'm not crazy about government sticking its head into peoples' lives,
I'm not totaly sold on inalienable human rights, individual liberties and
all the claptrap that goes with classical liberalism either.
Just a nit here. It may be classic libertarianism but it ain't liberalism. imo.
I think
society should be self-poliecing. As I consider myself a generaly decent
person, I consider myself to have the moral obligation to act in the best
interest of society and therefore be wary of individuals who show
antisocial tendencies.
Maybe your vision of a self-policing community might be difficult to achieve
with me being part of it. I definitely get the sense that you are a decent
person -- but what happens when we disagree about whether or not some speech is
a 'speech act'? Can Jamal write what he wants without interference from the
FBI, or not? Between us, whose opinion would prevail? And I guess you'd need to
be wary of me because I have lots of antisocial tendencies -- including being
very suspicious of anyone who feels obligated to impose his/her sense of
morality on others.
I didn't actualy send that post to the FBI btw, but that was only because I
was too damn tired. Under other circumstances I would have done so, so I
will continue to defend the act as if I actualy did
I have to giggle when I think that it's somebody's (or many somebodies) job to
read Usenet. Then I think about what else those tax dollars could be spent on
and I immediately stop giggling.
(snip)
Do you think it helps you feel more powerful if the government considers
you to be dangerous? I believe my name is on lists, too, for similar
reasons as yours might be -- and I'm proud of it. But what societal
benefit does this domestic intelligence 'awareness' serve? Does it make
the world a safer place? I don't think it does. And it has a chilling
effect on dissent.
More powerful? No. It makes me feel a bit safer though. A governement has
the duty to defend itself from those who may wish to overthrow it just as
those who feel that a government which has ceased to serve the governed
have the duty to overthow it. A government for and by the governed would
not be acting in the best interest of the governed if it did not protect
itself from those seeking to overthow it.
So you feel safer because the government is watching you to protect itself from
your desire to overthrow it? I don't mean to be funny ... because I do agree
with you in principle. I'm just not sure how much good all the 'watching' does.
Considering that people are on
watch lists for subscribing to extreme political philosophies, it only
makes sense that people should be on lists for being sociopathic loons.
There ya go -- I'm in favor of the discourse extreme political
philosophers bring to the mix. It makes for a richer outcome, imo, so I
don't want those words to be silenced. And, while I respect your opinion
... just because you've decided he's a sociopathic loon, it doesn't
necessarily make him one. Frankly, I'd need evidence of behavior, not just
words, before I'd make that leap. Haven't the watchers got enough to do
watching folks who've actually done something?
I don't want them silenced either. I do think that individuals who talk
over and over about their desire to do violence upon others should be the
subject of concern however.
I don't see how the 'watching' ensures public safety -- 'cuz there just ain't
enough cops, Velvet, at least not anywhere that resembles a free society.
Keeping an eye on someone is not the same thing
as silencing them.
Tell that to the writers, and others, who were blackballed as a result of the
McCarthy hearings.
Gayle
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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23 Aug 2004 07:35:54 PM |
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"Jamal Chapultapec" <your@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954ED124C4102youremailcom@68.12.19.6...
Ah, yes, Indigo Moon Man. Another brainless ***** in this board that I
wrapped around my little finger.
Well, I've already had my way with him. Let him die. I don't care.
will you do it for 5 dollars ?
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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22 Aug 2004 10:22:36 AM |
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Indigo Moon Man <indigomoonman@hotpop.com> wrote:
Hello all,
this is Indigo's wife. We went to the hospital today and the doc asked him
to stay voluntarily, cause he wanted to give him this medication Tavor (or
something like that) and they don't like to give it to outpatients. So he
won't be posting for about a week or so. He already complained not having a
computer :)
I would too! An entire week?
Here's hoping he's out and about and feeling better soon.
Seriously, they should do something about that no computer scene.
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| User: "kerfoker" |
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22 Aug 2004 11:53:07 AM |
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Indigo Moon Man wrote:
Hello all,
this is Indigo's wife. We went to the hospital today and the doc asked him
to stay voluntarily, cause he wanted to give him this medication Tavor (or
something like that) and they don't like to give it to outpatients. So he
won't be posting for about a week or so. He already complained not having a
computer :). Either way, they uped his Risperdal to 6mg and he gets that
Tavor 3mg a day... I don't know if that is good or bad. If anyone can
enlighten me on the Tavor, I'd be most grateful. Also, if Thomas Dehn is
reading this... I would like some information as to how a "geschlossene" is
run in Germany. The doc asked my husband if he wanted the "Offene" or the
"Geschlossene" and my husband oped for the clsoed one... so if you could
give me info on that, I'd be most grateful.
God bless you all
Indigo's wife
Hello Mrs Indigo. Tavor is a brand name for Lorazepam which is an
anti-anxiety drug in the class of valium, klonopin, etc.
Please pass on best wishes to Indigo for me.
-Fred
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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22 Aug 2004 01:00:42 PM |
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kerfoker wrote:
Indigo Moon Man wrote:
Hello all,
this is Indigo's wife. We went to the hospital today and the doc asked him
to stay voluntarily, cause he wanted to give him this medication Tavor (or
something like that) and they don't like to give it to outpatients. So he
won't be posting for about a week or so. He already complained not having a
computer :). Either way, they uped his Risperdal to 6mg and he gets that
Tavor 3mg a day... I don't know if that is good or bad. If anyone can
enlighten me on the Tavor, I'd be most grateful. Also, if Thomas Dehn is
reading this... I would like some information as to how a "geschlossene" is
run in Germany. The doc asked my husband if he wanted the "Offene" or the
"Geschlossene" and my husband oped for the clsoed one... so if you could
give me info on that, I'd be most grateful.
God bless you all
Indigo's wife
Hello Mrs Indigo. Tavor is a brand name for Lorazepam which is an
anti-anxiety drug in the class of valium, klonopin, etc.
Please pass on best wishes to Indigo for me.
-Fred
Then that doesn't make sense that they would want him to stay there for
that drug. I have 540 2mg lorazepam tabs in my closet right now. I take
up to 12mg per day and they let me loose upon the public.
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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23 Aug 2004 01:20:06 AM |
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Franz Bestuchev wrote:
Then that doesn't make sense that they would want him to stay there for
that drug. I have 540 2mg lorazepam tabs in my closet right now. I take
up to 12mg per day and they let me loose upon the public.
Yes, but they have people following you everywhere you go.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
--
MYTHOLOGY, n. The body of a primitive people's beliefs concerning its
origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from
the true accounts which it invents later.
-Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
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