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"Indigo Moon Man" |
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11 Jan 2004 07:53:18 PM |
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Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 11:19:10 AM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I think what Dean said is 100% right.Since 9/11/01,it's considered
"unpatriotic" by some people to critisize the president,which in my
opinion is totally crazy...As Theodore Roosevelt has said,to announce
that we should support the president right or wrong,or not crtisize
the president is not only unpatriotic and servile,it's morally
treasonable to the American public...
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 01:29:37 PM |
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alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I think what Dean said is 100% right.Since 9/11/01,it's considered
"unpatriotic" by some people to critisize the president,which in my
opinion is totally crazy...As Theodore Roosevelt has said,to announce
that we should support the president right or wrong,or not crtisize
the president is not only unpatriotic and servile,it's morally
treasonable to the American public...
This has NOTHING to do with that "it's considered unpatriotic" crap. It has
to do with people that want to be President being able to act like adults
and so far none of them have shown me that they can.
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The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 01:26:12 PM |
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alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I think what Dean said is 100% right.Since 9/11/01,it's considered
"unpatriotic" by some people to critisize the president,which in my
opinion is totally crazy...As Theodore Roosevelt has said,to announce
that we should support the president right or wrong,or not crtisize
the president is not only unpatriotic and servile,it's morally
treasonable to the American public...
Well, you and Dean are 100% wrong. I've got exactly ZERO respect for
someone like him that thinks there is nothing wrong with the kind of mud
slinging campaign that he is running. I don't care what he thinks
personally of other candidates. I want to hear where he stands on the
issues. He's been campaigning for a year and I still have yet to hear him
speak on any issue at any time. All I hear from him and the other Democrat
candidates is a constant stream of "Bush is bad! Bush is bad!" What a
bunch of losers. I wouldn't vote for any of them for hall monitor much less
President of the United States.
4 MORE YEARS!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
--
The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 03:50:12 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<btuscr$bqqst$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I think what Dean said is 100% right.Since 9/11/01,it's considered
"unpatriotic" by some people to critisize the president,which in my
opinion is totally crazy...As Theodore Roosevelt has said,to announce
that we should support the president right or wrong,or not crtisize
the president is not only unpatriotic and servile,it's morally
treasonable to the American public...
Well, you and Dean are 100% wrong.
that could be...
I've got exactly ZERO respect for
someone like him that thinks there is nothing wrong with the kind of mud
slinging campaign that he is running. I don't care what he thinks
personally of other candidates. I want to hear where he stands on the
issues. He's been campaigning for a year and I still have yet to hear him
speak on any issue at any time. All I hear from him and the other Democrat
candidates is a constant stream of "Bush is bad! Bush is bad!" What a
bunch of losers. I wouldn't vote for any of them for hall monitor much less
President of the United States.
4 MORE YEARS!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I don't smoke a pipe.could I have a cigar or cigarette
instead?seriously,I hope I didn't offend you.I wasn't trying to attack
anyone personally.this is just an issue that touches a nerve with
me...
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 06:00:41 PM |
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alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
I think what Dean said is 100% right.Since 9/11/01,it's considered
"unpatriotic" by some people to critisize the president,which in my
opinion is totally crazy...As Theodore Roosevelt has said,to announce
that we should support the president right or wrong,or not crtisize
the president is not only unpatriotic and servile,it's morally
treasonable to the American public...
Well, you and Dean are 100% wrong.
that could be...
I've got exactly ZERO respect for
someone like him that thinks there is nothing wrong with the kind of mud
slinging campaign that he is running. I don't care what he thinks
personally of other candidates. I want to hear where he stands on the
issues. He's been campaigning for a year and I still have yet to hear
him speak on any issue at any time. All I hear from him and the other
Democrat candidates is a constant stream of "Bush is bad! Bush is bad!"
What a bunch of losers. I wouldn't vote for any of them for hall
monitor much less President of the United States.
4 MORE YEARS!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I don't smoke a pipe.could I have a cigar or cigarette
instead?seriously,I hope I didn't offend you.I wasn't trying to attack
anyone personally.this is just an issue that touches a nerve with
me...
Ok, have a cigar then. :-)
You didn't offend me at all and I also hope that I didn't offend you. If I
did I apologize. It's just that this touches a nerve with me too and I tend
to react strongly to it. Sometimes too strongly. And I fully realize that
it's not just democrats that do it. Mudslinging by any candidate really
upsets me and these days it seems to be the standard tactic of many
politicians.
--
The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 09:13:10 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:btuscr$bqqst$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de...
alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I think what Dean said is 100% right.Since 9/11/01,it's considered
"unpatriotic" by some people to critisize the president,which in my
opinion is totally crazy...As Theodore Roosevelt has said,to announce
that we should support the president right or wrong,or not crtisize
the president is not only unpatriotic and servile,it's morally
treasonable to the American public...
Well, you and Dean are 100% wrong. I've got exactly ZERO respect for
someone like him that thinks there is nothing wrong with the kind of mud
slinging campaign that he is running.
So speaking passionately about some issues that bug one now makes one
"mudslinging." Usually when I think of mudslinging, I think more along the
lines of the sort of crass content-free insult-infested diatribes along the
lines of Ann Coulter and her ilk. Has Dean gone out and called Dubya
derogatory names? How about accusing Dubya of being a drunk? Or at least be
entertaining about it and accuse Dubya of fucking goats? As far as I can
tell, none of that has happened. Nor has he gone out and initiated a
mudslinging campaign against his fellow opponents in the battle for the
nomination. He's had some sharp words, but nothing that I'd necessarily
characterize as cheap personal attacks. Now, some of his opponents, on the
other hand (Kerry, Lieberman come most readily to mind) have indeed
initiated those sorts of attacks towards Dean, and basically that's done
little to garner my faith in them. Dean's & Kucinich's campaigns have struck
me as being fairly clean in that regard, and as I've stated until I'm pretty
blue in the face, they've actually campaigned on some rather critical issues
facing our country -- all you have to do is read or listen. I'm generally
pretty informed regarding what the Democratic candidates are doing in their
campaigns, and I'm not seeing it. Maybe I've missed something. If so, please
point it out to me.
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???
http://www.deanforamerica.com/
http://www.kucinich.us/
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 10:35:30 PM |
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Dr. Siddhartha Vicious wrote:
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:btuscr$bqqst$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de...
alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I think what Dean said is 100% right.Since 9/11/01,it's considered
"unpatriotic" by some people to critisize the president,which in my
opinion is totally crazy...As Theodore Roosevelt has said,to announce
that we should support the president right or wrong,or not crtisize
the president is not only unpatriotic and servile,it's morally
treasonable to the American public...
Well, you and Dean are 100% wrong. I've got exactly ZERO respect for
someone like him that thinks there is nothing wrong with the kind of mud
slinging campaign that he is running.
So speaking passionately about some issues that bug one now makes one
"mudslinging." Usually when I think of mudslinging, I think more along the
lines of the sort of crass content-free insult-infested diatribes along the
lines of Ann Coulter and her ilk.
Agreed, also like Al Franken, Bernie Ward, moveon.org, and their ilk.
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 11:36:51 AM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I want to add to my last post that many of the same people who object
to critisizng this president had absolutly no problem with critisizng
the last president...Groffrey Nunberg wrote a very interesting column
in Dec.28th's Sunday New York Times called "Anger Management-Using the
other guy's vitriol to win votes" about this issue.
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 11:14:35 PM |
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(alvintchase) wrote in message news:<c1029ba7.0401120936.44de3765@posting.google.com>...
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I want to add to my last post that many of the same people who object
to critisizng this president had absolutly no problem with critisizng
the last president...Groffrey Nunberg wrote a very interesting column
in Dec.28th's Sunday New York Times called "Anger Management-Using the
other guy's vitriol to win votes" about this issue.
Sid,I really think you'd like this column,if you haven't already
read it.It talks about how in the 1960's "hate speach" was
specifically referring to bigoted words spoken against minority
groups.Now,the right wing has shifted the term to mean anyone who
speaks out against this president,(nevermind the fact that there was
just as much vitriol directed against President Clinton-if not more
so-as there is against Bush...)
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
13 Jan 2004 04:03:55 AM |
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alvintchase wrote:
relayer211@yahoo.com (alvintchase) wrote in message news:<c1029ba7.0401120936.44de3765@posting.google.com>...
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I want to add to my last post that many of the same people who object
to critisizng this president had absolutly no problem with critisizng
the last president...Groffrey Nunberg wrote a very interesting column
in Dec.28th's Sunday New York Times called "Anger Management-Using the
other guy's vitriol to win votes" about this issue.
Sid,I really think you'd like this column,if you haven't already
read it.It talks about how in the 1960's "hate speach" was
specifically referring to bigoted words spoken against minority
groups.Now,the right wing has shifted the term to mean anyone who
speaks out against this president,(nevermind the fact that there was
just as much vitriol directed against President Clinton-if not more
so-as there is against Bush...)
For which the Right was denigrated by you guys on the Left. I recall
the term "Hillary hater" in particular.
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
13 Jan 2004 10:43:14 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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(nevermind the fact that there was
just as much vitriol directed against President Clinton-if not more
so-as there is against Bush...)
For which the Right was denigrated by you guys on the Left. I recall
the term "Hillary hater" in particular.
That would carry more weight if not for the tendency of right-wing types to
go into rather irrational territory -- e.g., spreading that lovely urban
myth that Clinton was going around murdering people, and so forth. Or
right-wing pundits stating on the air or in their books and columns that the
only way to deal with Clinton was either impeachment or assassination (that
little gem came from Ann Coulter, btw). The thing is, I just have yet to see
that level of vitriol leveled at Bush. I've seen a good deal of anger,
primarily directed towards policies that are at odds with what's left of our
Constitution, and/or are generally counter-productive (running up record
budget deficits, fighting wars based on lies).
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?W? www.moveon.org http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
??? www.questionw.com www.thememoryhole.org
www.guardian.co.uk www.guerrillanews.com
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
13 Jan 2004 04:02:43 AM |
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alvintchase wrote:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I want to add to my last post that many of the same people who object
to critisizng this president had absolutly no problem with critisizng
the last president...Groffrey Nunberg wrote a very interesting column
in Dec.28th's Sunday New York Times called "Anger Management-Using the
other guy's vitriol to win votes" about this issue.
I've criticized Rush Limbaugh on this group for being obsessive about
Clinton.
Again, it's not purely about a single instance of criticism or a set of
criticisms. It's about the overall picture.
www.kgo.com
Listen to 2 programs:
* Gene Burns from 7-10OPM PST
compare his show with either of these 2:
* Bernie Ward from 10-1AM PST
* Ray Taliaferro from 1-5AM PST
The first guy is very critical of Bush, was very critical of the war,
but is not a Bush basher. The other 2 are very critical of Bush and
were very critical of the war, but they are Bush bashers. So what do
you think the difference could be?
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| User: "Anonymous" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
11 Jan 2004 10:25:22 PM |
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In article <btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
Who cares?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
11 Jan 2004 11:06:32 PM |
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"Anonymous" <anon@anon.itys.net> wrote in message
news:3c786a12a9650ec89dc5efbfb601325c@itys.net...
In article <btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
Who cares?
atta girl
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 01:04:18 PM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message news:<1004ar17pdvaf6@corp.supernews.com>...
"Anonymous" <anon@anon.itys.net> wrote in message
news:3c786a12a9650ec89dc5efbfb601325c@itys.net...
In article <btsuml$b0h6t$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
Maybe Dean should have replied,"your right!Though I AM running for
president,where I need to be fairly agressive to have any shot at
winning,and never mind the fact that in virtually 100% of campaigns
the current president is attacked by canidates hoping to replace him,I
for one will be patriotic and respect authority.That President Bush is
a great guy who can do no wrong....but please vote for me
anyway"...maybe he'd have had better luck that way...
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 01:20:02 PM |
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alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Maybe Dean should have replied,"your right!Though I AM running for
president,where I need to be fairly agressive to have any shot at
winning,and never mind the fact that in virtually 100% of campaigns
the current president is attacked by canidates hoping to replace him,I
for one will be patriotic and respect authority.That President Bush is
a great guy who can do no wrong....but please vote for me
anyway"...maybe he'd have had better luck that way...
Maybe Dean should have replied, "You're right! Since I want to be
President, I should be able to disagree with Bush on the issues in a civil
and intelligent manner instead of just running him down all the time. My
campaigning time and effort would be much more well spent and appreciated if
I just stopped all the personal attacks and stuck to the issues. Thank you
for setting me straight on that, sir."
--
The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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| User: "Mz R." |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
12 Jan 2004 08:04:44 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<btus1b$blfpe$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Maybe Dean should have replied, "You're right! Since I want to be
President, I should be able to disagree with Bush on the issues in a civil
and intelligent manner instead of just running him down all the time. My
campaigning time and effort would be much more well spent and appreciated if
I just stopped all the personal attacks and stuck to the issues. Thank you
for setting me straight on that, sir."
1. He's a politician.
2. He's playing to the lowest common denomenator.
3. What the ***** does this have to do with depression?
4. re: the sig - the lord is also pulling for all the other people, so
pretty much need to fear everyone.
Mz.R.
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush |
11 Jan 2004 10:50:44 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:53:18 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
The following link is to a story on Yahoo News.
http://tinyurl.com/368da
I don't know why they're saying he lost his temper. Sounded like a
very much in control dressing down. (Except that he and all his
competitors did deserve the blasting)
Yet, I wish *I* could respond like that with so much poise.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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