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02 Jan 2007 10:33:30 PM |
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Is a "No Xanax/Valium/Klonopin" Policy Ethical? |
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
Thanks in advance.
"Xanax, Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin and Valium"
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: Is a "No Xanax/Valium/Klonopin" Policy Ethical? |
03 Jan 2007 12:59:07 AM |
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<alone@thelastpsychiatrist.com> wrote in message
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Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing
"Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from
those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for
these
medications when they need them.
Thanks in advance.
"Xanax, Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin and Valium"
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
I would have to say it is always a mistake to refuse to prescribe an
entire category of medication on the grounds that some people find it
addicting. That is punishing one group of people for the problems of
another. It's better to monitor how the patient is doing, and handle
the issues on a case-by-case basis. (I think that is how physicians
are supposed to work, in theory.)
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: Is a "No Xanax/Valium/Klonopin" Policy Ethical? |
03 Jan 2007 05:29:21 AM |
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wrote:
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
Thanks in advance.
"Xanax, Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin and Valium"
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
Interesting blog. No first hand experience, pro or con
with benzos.
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: Is a "No Xanax/Valium/Klonopin" Policy Ethical? |
03 Jan 2007 02:32:08 AM |
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On 2 Jan 2007 20:33:30 -0800, wrote:
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
Thanks in advance.
"Xanax, Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin and Valium"
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
I don't really have a good answer, but I think that without valium
several years ago I'd be dead now. My Dr in 1970 didn't diagnose
depression, maybe didn't know about it.
Xanax for a couple days will stop my back ache, NSAID makes it hurt
less, Xanax stops the spasm feedback.
I've been reading your site, lots of good stuff there, at least it
seems so to me.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: Is a "No Xanax/Valium/Klonopin" Policy Ethical? |
03 Jan 2007 02:40:35 AM |
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Charles wrote:
On 2 Jan 2007 20:33:30 -0800, wrote:
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
Thanks in advance.
"Xanax, Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin and Valium"
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
I don't really have a good answer, but I think that without valium
several years ago I'd be dead now. My Dr in 1970 didn't diagnose
depression, maybe didn't know about it.
Xanax for a couple days will stop my back ache, NSAID makes it hurt
less, Xanax stops the spasm feedback.
I've been reading your site, lots of good stuff there, at least it
seems so to me.
Have you ever read that nut-job over at benzos.org.uk?
They're the end of the world to that woman.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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03 Jan 2007 05:06:33 PM |
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever read that nut-job over at benzos.org.uk?
They're the end of the world to that woman.
Wow. Like Joan of Arc on crack.
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Rhi
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| User: "Charles" |
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03 Jan 2007 02:48:55 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading your site, lots of good stuff there, at least it
seems so to me.
Have you ever read that nut-job over at benzos.org.uk?
They're the end of the world to that woman.
That's wild.
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
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03 Jan 2007 05:26:08 AM |
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Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
--
Reminder: http://lazerbrody.typepad.com July 24/25
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| User: "spy vs spy" |
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03 Jan 2007 07:28:04 AM |
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"Contrarian" <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
--
Reminder: http://lazerbrody.typepad.com July 24/25
Well no ***** the stuff is bad.
If it is real hard you can fall on it and bang your head.
If you get it in your lungs you can drown.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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03 Jan 2007 04:37:37 PM |
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Contrarian wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
It's di-hydrogen monoxide that scares me to death.
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| User: "Charles" |
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03 Jan 2007 04:48:53 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:37:37 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
Contrarian wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
It's di-hydrogen monoxide that scares me to death.
Here they sometimes substitute hydrogen hydroxide. They never tell
us, either.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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04 Jan 2007 01:09:48 AM |
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then Charles wrote, On 1/3/2007 3:48 PM:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:37:37 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
Contrarian wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
It's di-hydrogen monoxide that scares me to death.
Here they sometimes substitute hydrogen hydroxide. They never tell
us, either.
Mine comes in parts per million, I get a bulk discount.
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18 Feb 2007 12:05:33 AM |
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On Jan 3, 6:26 am, Contrarian <adrb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles <ckr...@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
--
Reminder:http://lazerbrody.typepad.comJuly 24/25
Some people have been blown up when they lit a cigarette near a
flatulating cow.
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18 Feb 2007 01:14:17 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:26:08 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
I think you are botching the joke. Hydrogen Dioxide (H2O2) is a bleaching
agent that can be dangerous. It is also called oxygenated water. It is
thicker than water, and has a sour, bitter taste.
The joke is to say Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O). Penn & Teller got lot of dumb
tree huggers to sign a petition to ban it at an Earth Day rally by telling
them how may industries use it and how many children it kills every year.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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18 Feb 2007 01:30:25 PM |
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On 2/18/2007 12:14 PM, CyberDroog was all like:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:26:08 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
I think you are botching the joke. Hydrogen Dioxide (H2O2) is a bleaching
agent that can be dangerous. It is also called oxygenated water. It is
thicker than water, and has a sour, bitter taste.
It's also good for fizzing at your boo-boos (and is incredibly
destructive to the raw tissue) and can be used for great rocketry.
aka Hydrogen Peroxide
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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18 Feb 2007 06:55:45 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:30:25 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2007 12:14 PM, CyberDroog was all like:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:26:08 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
I think you are botching the joke. Hydrogen Dioxide (H2O2) is a bleaching
agent that can be dangerous. It is also called oxygenated water. It is
thicker than water, and has a sour, bitter taste.
It's also good for fizzing at your boo-boos (and is incredibly
destructive to the raw tissue) and can be used for great rocketry.
aka Hydrogen Peroxide
It does make a good mouthwash also. The mucous membranes in the mouth can
deal with the slightly caustic nature. Just make sure to rinse with H20
very thoroughly.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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03 Jan 2007 11:04:48 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:26:08 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
We already know the dangers of Hydrogen Dioxide (H2O2)... also called
oxygenated water, it is used as an oxidizing and bleaching agent.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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03 Jan 2007 04:39:10 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:26:08 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles <ckraft@spamtrap.west.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Ban Hydrogen DiOxide! Did you hear about the city that
started researching its dangers?
We already know the dangers of Hydrogen Dioxide (H2O2)... also called
oxygenated water, it is used as an oxidizing and bleaching agent.
It's also great fun with silver, put some in a tube and let it wash over
a mesh of the metal. That's a *rocket* baby!
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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03 Jan 2007 03:00:12 AM |
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Charles wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:40:35 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading your site, lots of good stuff there, at least it
seems so to me.
Have you ever read that nut-job over at benzos.org.uk?
They're the end of the world to that woman.
That's wild.
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
Let's go see Valley Of The Dolls!
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03 Jan 2007 11:02:31 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:48:55 GMT, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
At: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drown.htm I read about
people drowning. Maybe we should ban water.
That's Dihydrogen Monoxide to you and me...
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03 Jan 2007 07:59:24 AM |
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On 2 Jan 2007 20:33:30 -0800, wrote:
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
No, it isn't ethical. You use what works.
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17 Feb 2007 07:35:38 PM |
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This is hilarious... benzos were so overprescribed for the past 30
years that now doctors are taught to underprescribe them just to
compensate. So much so, that the people who actually benefit from
this class of drug now have an impossible time getting it (which is
wrong). However, they seem fine with handing out ***** like Effexor or
Risperdal like candy.. which is 10X more toxic.. Withdraw from
Effexor was worse than heroin.. i had electric shocks in my head, my
brain would click everytime i refocused, i would get brain shivers and
i felt pretty much insane and unstable for a week.
There is a reason benzos are the most prescribed medication to treat
anxiety disorders and that is because they work. I am glad quacks
like you are a minority and majority of good doctors still see the
usefulness of this great medication.
So in response to "What if valium prescibers disappeared".. Answer:
They won't because doctors that have a solid understanding of medicine
(unlike yourself) will always be the majority. ;)
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17 Feb 2007 08:58:51 PM |
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wrote in news:1171762538.168834.23170
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
This is hilarious... benzos were so overprescribed for the past 30
years that now doctors are taught to underprescribe them just to
compensate. So much so, that the people who actually benefit from
this class of drug now have an impossible time getting it (which is
wrong).
Some pdocs still choose to prescribe high doses of benzos, while others
don't want to prescribe them at all.
However, they seem fine with handing out ***** like Effexor or
Risperdal like candy.. which is 10X more toxic.. Withdraw from
Effexor was worse than heroin.. i had electric shocks in my head, my
brain would click everytime i refocused, i would get brain shivers and
i felt pretty much insane and unstable for a week.
There is a reason benzos are the most prescribed medication to treat
anxiety disorders and that is because they work.
Yes, benzos work for me. Xanax is very effective at reducing my anxiety. It
also helped control my severe hypomanic episodes (of the irritable,
impatient, impulsive, agitated kind) long before I was diagnosed as bipolar
II.
- miserable
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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17 Feb 2007 09:24:07 PM |
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On 2/17/2007 7:58 PM, Miserable was all like:
gekoscan@gmail.com wrote in news:1171762538.168834.23170
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
This is hilarious... benzos were so overprescribed for the past 30
years that now doctors are taught to underprescribe them just to
compensate. So much so, that the people who actually benefit from
this class of drug now have an impossible time getting it (which is
wrong).
Some pdocs still choose to prescribe high doses of benzos, while others
don't want to prescribe them at all.
However, they seem fine with handing out ***** like Effexor or
Risperdal like candy.. which is 10X more toxic.. Withdraw from
Effexor was worse than heroin.. i had electric shocks in my head, my
brain would click everytime i refocused, i would get brain shivers and
i felt pretty much insane and unstable for a week.
There is a reason benzos are the most prescribed medication to treat
anxiety disorders and that is because they work.
Yes, benzos work for me. Xanax is very effective at reducing my anxiety. It
also helped control my severe hypomanic episodes (of the irritable,
impatient, impulsive, agitated kind) long before I was diagnosed as bipolar
II.
- miserable
hi Bobby Fischer
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| User: "%" |
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17 Feb 2007 09:13:23 PM |
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lol
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02 Jan 2007 10:35:35 PM |
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_/ wrote \_
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
Ativan helps me a whole lot, but the place I go to has a no benzo
policy, so I go without.
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-slunky
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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03 Jan 2007 01:47:29 AM |
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then wrote, On 1/2/2007 9:33 PM:
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
Thanks in advance.
"Xanax, Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin and Valium"
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
Hmm, lemme crunch back some methadone and get back to ya when it kicks in.
Personally I'm glad my doc is willing to script valium - it's not that
he wouldn't as I had klonnys for a couple of years before a car wreck. I
went through all the muscle relaxers known out there and what worked
best for me was valium. I got anxiety/neck muscle spasms taken out in
one shot. Add to that either fentanyl patches or methadone (I've been
switching between the two trying to pick a winner.
I know that it's addictive but I'd rather take a valium than carry a
flask everywhere. I would rather go through the 4 days of no opiates
that I just got through because I couldn't get a script for refills.
Sure, it wasn't pleasant *at all* but neither is a constant pounding
headache and feeling like a giant muscle spasm.
I'd also much rather take a substance such as Provigil where you get the
effect of a stimulant but no buzz.
Our country is so against drugs, even Prozac started getting a stigma as
something that EVERYBODY should take for our new happy era.
Thanks Rush Limbaugh!
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02 Jan 2007 10:34:52 PM |
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this is the best laugh i got today
<alone@thelastpsychiatrist.com> wrote in message
news:1167798810.924859.165760@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hi. I'm a psycahitrist, and in another forum we were discussing "Dr.
Feelgood"-- i.e. the psychiatrist with a much lower threshold for
prescribing benzos, etc. But it got me to thinking what larger,
societal role such doctors had; in other words, what would happen if
all the "Valium prescribers" disappeared? I came up with an answer,
and I'd appreciate any comments, either here or on the blog from those
with experience from the aptient side, who have to struggle for these
medications when they need them.
Thanks in advance.
"Xanax, Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin and Valium"
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