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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "Mistake"
Date: 16 Nov 2004 02:32:31 AM
Object: is there really help?
Why is it that I am sad all the time?
I didn't think I was always like this. But I can't remember a time
that there wasn't some disaster occuring that didn't make me wish I
didn't exist.
I want so badly to feel better. I want someone to help. I want help.
I want to feel better I want to be normal and I want to stop feeling
like karma is using me for it's personal pissoir.
I am really feeling at the end of my rope right now.
I was on effexor for years but couldn't shake the non-stop low level
depression. That and there is no money to get meds anymore.
It was either discontinue them or simply go cold turkey and anyone
who's been on that ***** knows the hell that withdrawal can be.
I've done it once before myself.
I lie awake every night reminding myself what a completely and utterly
worthless pos that I am. everyone needs a hobby I guess.
I try to stop. I try to remind myself about negative thinking and
move on.
But it doesn't take long for my brain to land on another sore spot and
start chewing.
How do you stop feeling like this?????
It doesn't help that my latest attempt to get some further help
crashed and burned.
What does it take ??
I mean, I realize that outside of say, me, no one really gives a
flying ***** what happens to me. Least of all some overbooked social
welfare shrink.
But I am beginning to believe that I'm not really pessimistic about
things, they really are just THAT BAD and face it, no one gives a *****
so it's just shut the ***** up and deal with it... or don't.
Years ago, when I couldn't ask for help, the one or two people who
knew how bad things were told me.. 'you have to get help'.
For years I fought with myself to try. I was so afraid and so
completely lost, I honestly had no idea what to do.
I guess I got tired of drinking myself to sleep and hurting myself for
relief. So I told my doctor and then there were appointments and
medications that made me feel worse and long extended waits until I
could see the doctor again to try and get things adjusted.
And the great med-dance went on for a while. Several years.
Finally I realized that it wasn't helping to see someone for half an
hour every 6 or 8 weeks just to have them ask me if I was taking my
meds and give me a new perscription. Ok, so I asked for help and
ended up here. time to try again.
But you discover that if you don't get fixed the first time, they
don't really want to deal with you again.
More trying to explain to a total stranger that you are slowly going
insane, being eaten up with sorrow, guilt and self loathing.
More trying to get someone to help while trying to maintain a social
and sane demeanor.
The problem with asking for help when you are suicidally depressed is
that if you ASK for help, no one believes you.
and if you SCREAM for help, you end up in a locked room.
The latest exercise in futility brought me to the office of a
grotesquely fat, insolent old man who seemed more concerned with my
manner of speaking, than with what I was saying.
I am no mind reader, but you'd have to be rainman not to know this fat
***** decided after 5 minutes that he just didn't like me and spent the
rest of the time trying to tell me how ridiculous I was being.
Anyone out there who has had that happen? There you are, finally.
This is going to be the start of the road to recovery. And what
happens???? They spend the little time they grant you trying to tell
you why you are being ridiculous. How about this gem.. "Well if you
had interests before, you couldn't be depressed."
Who'd have thought that cracker jack had pdoc licenses in them?
Fat ***** then xeroxed some form letter to his gubmint paymasters and
they sent their final 'diagnosis' to me via ground mail (a three week
further wait) telling me that I wasn't depressed and since I wasn't
depressed I would need to look for help elsewhere.
So I'm sitting here right this second writing this because there is
nothing left for me but this.
and then I think....
It is winter here. The lack of heat in the apartment has reminded me
that it will be a simple matter of walking off into the woods without
a coat. They say freezing to death is just like falling asleep.
and I am so very tired.
Sorry for taking the bandwidth.
mistake.
.

User: "David"

Title: Re: is there really help? 16 Nov 2004 07:28:30 AM
Am sorry to hear you've been feeling this way. Are you on meds now? I
see you had mentioned taking effexor for awhile but wasn't sure if you
are taking anything now.
My heater hasn't been working for the apt., so I went and bought a
portable heater from Walmart, for about $20. It does a pretty good job
in keeping things warm.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:32:31 GMT, Mistake
<yetanotheraddress@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why is it that I am sad all the time?

I didn't think I was always like this. But I can't remember a time
that there wasn't some disaster occuring that didn't make me wish I
didn't exist.

I want so badly to feel better. I want someone to help. I want help.
I want to feel better I want to be normal and I want to stop feeling
like karma is using me for it's personal pissoir.

I am really feeling at the end of my rope right now.
I was on effexor for years but couldn't shake the non-stop low level
depression. That and there is no money to get meds anymore.
It was either discontinue them or simply go cold turkey and anyone
who's been on that ***** knows the hell that withdrawal can be.
I've done it once before myself.

I lie awake every night reminding myself what a completely and utterly
worthless pos that I am. everyone needs a hobby I guess.
I try to stop. I try to remind myself about negative thinking and
move on.
But it doesn't take long for my brain to land on another sore spot and
start chewing.

How do you stop feeling like this?????

It doesn't help that my latest attempt to get some further help
crashed and burned.
What does it take ??

I mean, I realize that outside of say, me, no one really gives a
flying ***** what happens to me. Least of all some overbooked social
welfare shrink.
But I am beginning to believe that I'm not really pessimistic about
things, they really are just THAT BAD and face it, no one gives a *****
so it's just shut the ***** up and deal with it... or don't.

Years ago, when I couldn't ask for help, the one or two people who
knew how bad things were told me.. 'you have to get help'.
For years I fought with myself to try. I was so afraid and so
completely lost, I honestly had no idea what to do.

I guess I got tired of drinking myself to sleep and hurting myself for
relief. So I told my doctor and then there were appointments and
medications that made me feel worse and long extended waits until I
could see the doctor again to try and get things adjusted.

And the great med-dance went on for a while. Several years.
Finally I realized that it wasn't helping to see someone for half an
hour every 6 or 8 weeks just to have them ask me if I was taking my
meds and give me a new perscription. Ok, so I asked for help and
ended up here. time to try again.

But you discover that if you don't get fixed the first time, they
don't really want to deal with you again.
More trying to explain to a total stranger that you are slowly going
insane, being eaten up with sorrow, guilt and self loathing.
More trying to get someone to help while trying to maintain a social
and sane demeanor.

The problem with asking for help when you are suicidally depressed is
that if you ASK for help, no one believes you.
and if you SCREAM for help, you end up in a locked room.

The latest exercise in futility brought me to the office of a
grotesquely fat, insolent old man who seemed more concerned with my
manner of speaking, than with what I was saying.
I am no mind reader, but you'd have to be rainman not to know this fat
***** decided after 5 minutes that he just didn't like me and spent the
rest of the time trying to tell me how ridiculous I was being.

Anyone out there who has had that happen? There you are, finally.
This is going to be the start of the road to recovery. And what
happens???? They spend the little time they grant you trying to tell
you why you are being ridiculous. How about this gem.. "Well if you
had interests before, you couldn't be depressed."
Who'd have thought that cracker jack had pdoc licenses in them?

Fat ***** then xeroxed some form letter to his gubmint paymasters and
they sent their final 'diagnosis' to me via ground mail (a three week
further wait) telling me that I wasn't depressed and since I wasn't
depressed I would need to look for help elsewhere.

So I'm sitting here right this second writing this because there is
nothing left for me but this.

and then I think....
It is winter here. The lack of heat in the apartment has reminded me
that it will be a simple matter of walking off into the woods without
a coat. They say freezing to death is just like falling asleep.
and I am so very tired.

Sorry for taking the bandwidth.

mistake.

.

User: "Contrarian"

Title: Re: is there really help? 16 Nov 2004 02:50:02 AM
Mistake <yetanotheraddress@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why is it that I am sad all the time?
I want so badly to feel better. I want someone to help.
I am really feeling at the end of my rope right now.

? never get too tired, hungry lonely angry (borrowred from
Alanon borrowed it from AA) or cold, cold isn't good either

I try to stop. I try to remind myself about negative thinking and
move on. But it doesn't take long for my brain to land on another sore spot and
start chewing.
How do you stop feeling like this?????

I dunno. I do this too.

It doesn't help that my latest attempt to get some further help
crashed and burned.

:-(

I guess I got tired of drinking myself to sleep and hurting myself for
relief.

there are ppl who know about drinking, also I am looking into NAMI
meetings there aren't very often, but they exist here
not saying its a panacea

But you discover that if you don't get fixed the first time, they
don't really want to deal with you again.

yup am in that stage now

More trying to explain to a total stranger that you are slowly going
insane, being eaten up with sorrow, guilt and self loathing.
More trying to get someone to help while trying to maintain a social
and sane demeanor.
The problem with asking for help when you are suicidally depressed is
that if you ASK for help, no one believes you.
and if you SCREAM for help, you end up in a locked room.

yes that's the dilemma

The latest exercise in futility brought me to the office of a
grotesquely fat, insolent old man who seemed more concerned with my
manner of speaking, than with what I was saying.
I am no mind reader, but you'd have to be rainman not to know this fat
***** decided after 5 minutes that he just didn't like me and spent the
rest of the time trying to tell me how ridiculous I was being.

don't like that eitehr

had interests before, you couldn't be depressed."
Who'd have thought that cracker jack had pdoc licenses in them?

that's what I think too

they sent their final 'diagnosis' to me via ground mail (a three week
further wait) telling me that I wasn't depressed and since I wasn't
depressed I would need to look for help elsewhere.

no this there's something else going on here, some budget thing
or something... you IMO had NOTHING to do with this outcome it
was fixed before you went in... fat lot of help that is I know

It is winter here. The lack of heat in the apartment has reminded me
that it will be a simple matter of walking off into the woods without
a coat. They say freezing to death is just like falling asleep.
and I am so very tired.

don't do that I for one would miss you
.
User: "Mistake"

Title: Re: is there really help? 16 Nov 2004 03:04:42 AM
all I keep thinking these days is 'I don't know what to do.' and then
I just keep putting one foot in front of the other because it's all
there is to do.
Mistake
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:50:02 GMT, Contrarian <adrba@nyct.net> wrote:

Mistake <yetanotheraddress@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why is it that I am sad all the time?
I want so badly to feel better. I want someone to help.
I am really feeling at the end of my rope right now.


? never get too tired, hungry lonely angry (borrowred from
Alanon borrowed it from AA) or cold, cold isn't good either


I try to stop. I try to remind myself about negative thinking and
move on. But it doesn't take long for my brain to land on another sore spot and
start chewing.
How do you stop feeling like this?????


I dunno. I do this too.

It doesn't help that my latest attempt to get some further help
crashed and burned.


:-(



I guess I got tired of drinking myself to sleep and hurting myself for
relief.


there are ppl who know about drinking, also I am looking into NAMI
meetings there aren't very often, but they exist here
not saying its a panacea

But you discover that if you don't get fixed the first time, they
don't really want to deal with you again.


yup am in that stage now

More trying to explain to a total stranger that you are slowly going
insane, being eaten up with sorrow, guilt and self loathing.
More trying to get someone to help while trying to maintain a social
and sane demeanor.
The problem with asking for help when you are suicidally depressed is
that if you ASK for help, no one believes you.
and if you SCREAM for help, you end up in a locked room.


yes that's the dilemma

The latest exercise in futility brought me to the office of a
grotesquely fat, insolent old man who seemed more concerned with my
manner of speaking, than with what I was saying.
I am no mind reader, but you'd have to be rainman not to know this fat
***** decided after 5 minutes that he just didn't like me and spent the
rest of the time trying to tell me how ridiculous I was being.


don't like that eitehr

had interests before, you couldn't be depressed."
Who'd have thought that cracker jack had pdoc licenses in them?


that's what I think too

they sent their final 'diagnosis' to me via ground mail (a three week
further wait) telling me that I wasn't depressed and since I wasn't
depressed I would need to look for help elsewhere.


no this there's something else going on here, some budget thing
or something... you IMO had NOTHING to do with this outcome it
was fixed before you went in... fat lot of help that is I know

It is winter here. The lack of heat in the apartment has reminded me
that it will be a simple matter of walking off into the woods without
a coat. They say freezing to death is just like falling asleep.
and I am so very tired.



don't do that I for one would miss you

.
User: "Joon"

Title: Re: is there really help? 16 Nov 2004 08:07:39 AM
Read my response in your Waiting.. thread.
"Mistake" <yetanotheraddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8kgjp0hbd4fr9ajce6r2v8jnldt38d1thj@4ax.com...

all I keep thinking these days is 'I don't know what to do.' and then
I just keep putting one foot in front of the other because it's all
there is to do.

Mistake

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:50:02 GMT, Contrarian <adrba@nyct.net> wrote:

Mistake <yetanotheraddress@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why is it that I am sad all the time?
I want so badly to feel better. I want someone to help.
I am really feeling at the end of my rope right now.


? never get too tired, hungry lonely angry (borrowred from
Alanon borrowed it from AA) or cold, cold isn't good either


I try to stop. I try to remind myself about negative thinking and
move on. But it doesn't take long for my brain to land on another sore
spot and
start chewing.
How do you stop feeling like this?????


I dunno. I do this too.

It doesn't help that my latest attempt to get some further help
crashed and burned.


:-(



I guess I got tired of drinking myself to sleep and hurting myself for
relief.


there are ppl who know about drinking, also I am looking into NAMI
meetings there aren't very often, but they exist here
not saying its a panacea

But you discover that if you don't get fixed the first time, they
don't really want to deal with you again.


yup am in that stage now

More trying to explain to a total stranger that you are slowly going
insane, being eaten up with sorrow, guilt and self loathing.
More trying to get someone to help while trying to maintain a social
and sane demeanor.
The problem with asking for help when you are suicidally depressed is
that if you ASK for help, no one believes you.
and if you SCREAM for help, you end up in a locked room.


yes that's the dilemma

The latest exercise in futility brought me to the office of a
grotesquely fat, insolent old man who seemed more concerned with my
manner of speaking, than with what I was saying.
I am no mind reader, but you'd have to be rainman not to know this fat
***** decided after 5 minutes that he just didn't like me and spent the
rest of the time trying to tell me how ridiculous I was being.


don't like that eitehr

had interests before, you couldn't be depressed."
Who'd have thought that cracker jack had pdoc licenses in them?


that's what I think too

they sent their final 'diagnosis' to me via ground mail (a three week
further wait) telling me that I wasn't depressed and since I wasn't
depressed I would need to look for help elsewhere.


no this there's something else going on here, some budget thing
or something... you IMO had NOTHING to do with this outcome it
was fixed before you went in... fat lot of help that is I know

It is winter here. The lack of heat in the apartment has reminded me
that it will be a simple matter of walking off into the woods without
a coat. They say freezing to death is just like falling asleep.
and I am so very tired.



don't do that I for one would miss you


.



User: "John Smith"

Title: Re: is there really help? 16 Nov 2004 03:25:49 PM
Try doing only what you really want to do. Stay mindfull of this as often as
possible until it becomes second nature (right now obedience is second
nature because you spent your entire childhood in school learning to obey).
Be a little brave; the feeling one gets is that you'll get into some kind of
trouble - but it doesn't work that way. Pretend you are free to do whatever
you want, that the factors you think you have to consider, the constraints
you think you have to keep no matter what, even having money to eat, are no
considerations at all. Imagine being in a state, even if only temporarily,
that you are totally free. Now each and every moment do only what you
actually want to do at that moment. That's the only way to have energy. The
way to make your system want to shut down (depression) is to do what you
really don't want to do, but either aren't aware of it (only that you don't
feel right) or think you must, that it's somehow the responsible way to be.
Also, knowing that your problem stemmed from cognitive dissonance (a
conflict between your self image -I'm free- with your behavior -I'm working
a sh*t job- ) means that you'll know what was happening and you won't have
to be self conscious and worried about what's wrong with you, that there is
something wrong with you.
Anyway, hope that helps.
.


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