On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:07:22 -0500, Justin <justin1138@REMOVEnet>
wrote:

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You're trying to say that "paddling kids teaches violence"? In CA
where paddling is outlawed in most districts, you have tons of
violent, bullying kids. In TX, where paddling is allowed, the kids
are a lot better behaved and there's less bullying. It's not like
EVERY kid was getting paddled in TX, just the shitheads were paddled
(maybe 1% of the student body). And it's not like it hurts the kid
much; it's mostly psychological as in "you're acting terrible and
your actions have consequences." Trust me, in an environment where
punishment is swift and immediate, the kids have it way better as a
whole.

<http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/>

Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants, year 2000:-

California: overall 3,739.7; violent 621.6; murder 6.1; rape 28.9
Texas: overall 4,955.5; violent 545.1; murder 5.9; rape 37.7

all USA: overall 4,124.0; violent 506.1; murder 5.5; rape 32.0

As I'm sure to be asked, for England and Wales the crime statistics
for 12 months to March 2000 are in
<http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb1200.pdf>. Records here
are not kept in a form directly comparable with the US statistics I
found above. However, the Grand Total line on page 39 of the PDF
document shows, per 100,000 of population:-

Violence against the Person 11,300; sexual offences 70

"Violence" includes 'common assault' and 'obstructing an officer' when
no injury is caused; I haven't tried to extract more detailed figures.
Likewise, 'sexual offences' includes 'indecent exposure' as well as
much worse offences. The detailed definitions of these offences are
in
<http://uk.sitestat.com/homeoffice/homeoffice/s?

ns_type=pdf&ns_url=

e04.pdf]> or <http://makeashorterlink.com/?G39442DB8> for 'violent'
offences, and
<http://uk.sitestat.com/homeoffice/homeoffice/s?

_type=pdf&ns_url=

pdf]> or <http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y2A432DB8> for 'sexual'
offences. 52 and 73 pages respectively ;))

If anyone is sufficiently keen to pick through 100s of pages of
statistics, the official records for England and Wales can be found
via the Home Office <http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/>.

Maybe we can have a NEW COLUMBINE?

You're trying to say that "paddling kids teaches violence"? In CA
where paddling is outlawed in most districts, you have tons of
violent, bullying kids. In TX, where paddling is allowed, the kids
are a lot better behaved and there's less bullying. It's not like
EVERY kid was getting paddled in TX, just the shitheads were paddled
(maybe 1% of the student body). And it's not like it hurts the kid
much; it's mostly psychological as in "you're acting terrible and your
actions have consequences." Trust me, in an environment where
punishment is swift and immediate, the kids have it way better as a
whole.

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What does a paddling teach a child?

I knew of some principals or teachers that didn't just spank a child
but that left bruises and welts. IS this right to do to children?

I don't like punks anymore than anyone else does. They are little
horrors. I have done alot of reading about what some of these nasty
kids can turn out to be but come on.....hitting helps?

It does nothing. They have a pain in their ***** for what----however
long it lasts and then it has taught them to get craftier and better
at not getting caught.

It has taught them that it is ok when you are an adult to hit a kid
when they are bad.

It enrages kids that are already enraged.

What about kids that are beaten regularly at home?

Do you honestly think a principal smacking them at school does much
more than make them hate their environment and the people around them
more?

You get some of these kids that are ticking time bombs as it is. So
you beat them at school and they go off after school and attack
someone else.

Maybe we can have a NEW COLUMBINE?

There are other ways to handle bullies and children that need help.
Whacking them one with a big ole paddle as hard as you can and
humiliating them is not how it should be done.



Becky