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"GlennT" |
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29 Mar 2006 05:09:36 AM |
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Life is bizzarre |
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away and you
get a whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a cigarette
with a student. The sun was beaming down and it was warm. I
started talking about Special/Visual effects and the conversation
grew with a third year director getting into it and then a second
year editor joined in. I sat there for about an hour and by the
time I went back in 'to work' I had gathered a group of about 10
or 12 students all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life to
date. I may be good at this...
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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29 Mar 2006 03:44:10 PM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:UVtWf.9426$JZ1.347483@news.xtra.co.nz...
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away and you
get a whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a cigarette
with a student. The sun was beaming down and it was warm. I
started talking about Special/Visual effects and the conversation
grew with a third year director getting into it and then a second
year editor joined in. I sat there for about an hour and by the
time I went back in 'to work' I had gathered a group of about 10
or 12 students all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life to
date. I may be good at this...
Awww...it feels good to know you had a happy moment Glen. I am so glad you
did. You certainly deserve it. :)
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
"As I was going up the stairs I met a man
who wasn't there. He wasn't there again
today. Gee I wish he'd go away."
"The Mysterious Stranger"
Ogden Nash
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: Life is bizzarre |
31 Mar 2006 04:39:31 AM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:UVtWf.9426$JZ1.347483@news.xtra.co.nz...
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away and you
get a whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a cigarette
with a student. The sun was beaming down and it was warm. I
started talking about Special/Visual effects and the conversation
grew with a third year director getting into it and then a second
year editor joined in. I sat there for about an hour and by the
time I went back in 'to work' I had gathered a group of about 10
or 12 students all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life to
date. I may be good at this...
Awww...it feels good to know you had a happy moment Glen. I am so glad you
did. You certainly deserve it. :)
Thank you so much. I deserve everything because I work my tits
off. Look, no tits!
No, I really feel I have finally found what I should be doing and
it has been a big surprise. I know there will be constant
pressure but at least it is pressure I can constructively do
something about.
As Jane says, keeping busy is the best way to fight the blues.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: Life is bizzarre |
29 Mar 2006 05:54:33 PM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:UVtWf.9426$JZ1.347483@news.xtra.co.nz...
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away and you get a
whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a cigarette with a
student. The sun was beaming down and it was warm. I started talking about
Special/Visual effects and the conversation grew with a third year
director getting into it and then a second year editor joined in. I sat
there for about an hour and by the time I went back in 'to work' I had
gathered a group of about 10 or 12 students all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life to date. I may
be good at this...
I never doubted for a minute you couldn't engage a group of hungry minds,
you have a gift Glenn and I'm so happy to hear/read that your able to share
it!!!
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: Life is bizzarre |
31 Mar 2006 04:51:18 AM |
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Jane wrote:
"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:UVtWf.9426$JZ1.347483@news.xtra.co.nz...
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away and you get a
whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a cigarette with a
student. The sun was beaming down and it was warm. I started talking about
Special/Visual effects and the conversation grew with a third year
director getting into it and then a second year editor joined in. I sat
there for about an hour and by the time I went back in 'to work' I had
gathered a group of about 10 or 12 students all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life to date. I may
be good at this...
I never doubted for a minute you couldn't engage a group of hungry minds,
you have a gift Glenn and I'm so happy to hear/read that your able to share
it!!!
Thank you Jane. As much as I love it... it tires me out. I can
usually slip away early on a Friday such as today. I come home
climb into bed and sleep for a few hours. I'm going to have to
get a bit fitter I think.
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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| Title: Re: Life is bizzarre |
29 Mar 2006 03:12:04 PM |
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GlennT wrote...
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away
and you get a whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a
cigarette with a student. The sun was beaming down and it
was warm. I started talking about Special/Visual effects
and the conversation grew with a third year director
getting into it and then a second year editor joined in. I
sat there for about an hour and by the time I went back in
'to work' I had gathered a group of about 10 or 12 students
all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life
to date. I may be good at this...
to get the students involved in such conversation is wonderful.
you'll make a great teacher, glenn. my college's motto is 'to
know is not enough'. you need to understand your material to
truly succeed. you had a group of students interested in
understanding. a very good thing, indeed.
-lisa
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| User: "GlennT" |
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31 Mar 2006 04:48:59 AM |
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lisa in mass. wrote:
GlennT wrote...
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away
and you get a whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a
cigarette with a student. The sun was beaming down and it
was warm. I started talking about Special/Visual effects
and the conversation grew with a third year director
getting into it and then a second year editor joined in. I
sat there for about an hour and by the time I went back in
'to work' I had gathered a group of about 10 or 12 students
all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life
to date. I may be good at this...
to get the students involved in such conversation is wonderful.
you'll make a great teacher, glenn. my college's motto is 'to
know is not enough'. you need to understand your material to
truly succeed. you had a group of students interested in
understanding. a very good thing, indeed.
-lisa
It has infected my last couple of classes. If I am excited about
editing then I can make them excited about it. Therefore I'll
teach them what turns me on and they can go from there.
I still have a lot to learn though. I am taking a bunch of short
teaching courses which go through to June when I sit my first
course for my teaching diploma. If I go to another university I
could also simultaneously go for a Masters Degree in the subject
I am teaching due to experience credits. Though it would be two
years part time. Already I am finding doing the job hard enough
without all these classes on top.
I might have to pace myself a little... how's your shoulder?
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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31 Mar 2006 11:20:14 AM |
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GlennT wrote...
lisa in mass. wrote:
GlennT wrote...
It's like every now and then someone pulls a screen away
and you get a whole new view.
I was just sitting out on the front steps sharing a
cigarette with a student. The sun was beaming down and it
was warm. I started talking about Special/Visual effects
and the conversation grew with a third year director
getting into it and then a second year editor joined in. I
sat there for about an hour and by the time I went back in
'to work' I had gathered a group of about 10 or 12
students all discussing it.
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional
life to date. I may be good at this...
to get the students involved in such conversation is
wonderful. you'll make a great teacher, glenn. my
college's motto is 'to know is not enough'. you need to
understand your material to truly succeed. you had a group
of students interested in understanding. a very good
thing, indeed.
-lisa
It has infected my last couple of classes. If I am excited
about editing then I can make them excited about it.
Therefore I'll teach them what turns me on and they can go
from there.
I still have a lot to learn though. I am taking a bunch of
short teaching courses which go through to June when I sit
my first course for my teaching diploma. If I go to another
university I could also simultaneously go for a Masters
Degree in the subject I am teaching due to experience
credits. Though it would be two years part time. Already I
am finding doing the job hard enough without all these
classes on top.
I might have to pace myself a little... how's your
shoulder?
not too bad with the brace on. doing everything, like driving
and typing, is quite annoying, though.
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| User: "violet" |
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31 Mar 2006 08:55:51 AM |
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GlennT wrote:
It has infected my last couple of classes. If I am excited about
editing then I can make them excited about it. Therefore I'll
teach them what turns me on and they can go from there.
.........read & snipped
Already I am finding doing the job hard enough
without all these classes on top.
I'm glad you have a wonderful job that you love.
I find passing on knowledge and skills really rewarding but it can take
up a lot of energy.
It's good that you are also learning as well and in your field, I
imagine you'll be continually learning, I wish I could do more creative
things.
I have bought an imac G5 and Final Cut Express HD - I couldn't afford
the professional Final Cut but this should be ok for now. If I wasn't
so depressed, I'd love to learn how to use it but I can't even get my
head round to using Garageband properly.
Depression can take over your whole life.
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| User: "violet" |
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29 Mar 2006 05:26:38 AM |
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GlennT wrote:
started talking about Special/Visual effects and the conversation
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life to
date. I may be good at this...
Great :-) You have found another golden thread to weave into your rich
tapestry of life.
Special effects are fascinating- I sometimes view student films - have
you seen the making of 'undercut' I think it was called ?
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| User: "GlennT" |
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29 Mar 2006 05:45:05 AM |
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violet wrote:
GlennT wrote:
started talking about Special/Visual effects and the conversation
It was probably the happiest moment of my professional life to
date. I may be good at this...
Great :-) You have found another golden thread to weave into your rich
tapestry of life.
I like the energy which doesn't happen unless I turn them on with
the right answers or at least, ideas of where to find the
answers. There seems to be an element of performance involved as
well.
Special effects are fascinating- I sometimes view student films - have
you seen the making of 'undercut' I think it was called ?
Seems vaguely familiar but I don't remember right now.
'Flightplan' (Jodie Foster) has a great 'Making of' I would like
to be able to use as an intro. It's thanks to DVD bonus material
that there is such a wealth of product available on film making
techniques. Now I just have to find a way of letting them let me
use it for free!
We do an experimental film module but I have doubts about how
much real value it adds to the course. Real effects and editing
is about not being seen... just like the Punch and Judy shows.
Most of that experimental stuff is about, "Look at me!".
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| User: "violet" |
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29 Mar 2006 05:57:56 AM |
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GlennT wrote:
read & snipped
"Look at me!".
Yes that's what I've thought.
I have never ever wanted to be an actress - saying someone else's
lines. I realised what hard work it was when I got roped into an Indy
film lately and had about twelve shots of my legs as I walked across a
street because i wasn't splashing into the puddle artistically enough.
I think the whole film was about 15 mins. and the outakes about 2 hours.
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| User: "GlennT" |
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31 Mar 2006 04:35:40 AM |
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violet wrote:
GlennT wrote:
read & snipped
"Look at me!".
Yes that's what I've thought.
I have never ever wanted to be an actress - saying someone else's
lines. I realised what hard work it was when I got roped into an Indy
film lately and had about twelve shots of my legs as I walked across a
street because i wasn't splashing into the puddle artistically enough.
I think the whole film was about 15 mins. and the outakes about 2 hours.
200 to 1 is one extreme shooting ratio, passed now and then by
big block busters.
Didn't they teach you puddle splashing? I'm sure that's in the
curriculum.
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| User: "violet" |
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31 Mar 2006 07:45:33 AM |
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GlennT wrote:
I think the whole film was about 15 mins. and the outakes about 2 hours.
200 to 1 is one extreme shooting ratio,
Didn't they teach you puddle splashing? I'm sure that's in the
curriculum.
Hi Glenn
I haven't been able to answer posts because I've be down but when I
think about practical things like film-making I feel energised.
The annoying thing about the 15 min film is it was for an Indie
Competition and then it wasn't sent in !
I saw the winner's films and it would have definately got at least one
of the catagories.
My 15 year old said she didn't want to be judged by that film - what
can people expect at 15 ? She wrote, directed and shot it -
unfortunately she only had the family for actors! - She won't make that
mistake again !
Most of the locations were in London and some shots had to be taken
whilst driving.
I've never driven continuously around a roundabout 8 times but she kept
saying she wasn't sure the shots were ok.
Also there was a shot that only lasted a minute but it needed to be
continuous and every time we did it, something different would go
wrong. Actually it was quite funny towards the end but I wouldn't want
to do it as a job.
I'm not sure about terminology and I don't think wasted 'film' that is
shot over again is actually out-take is it? Is it what you have left
after editing ?
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| User: "GlennT" |
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31 Mar 2006 05:12:48 PM |
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violet wrote:
GlennT wrote:
I think the whole film was about 15 mins. and the outakes about 2 hours.
200 to 1 is one extreme shooting ratio,
Didn't they teach you puddle splashing? I'm sure that's in the
curriculum.
Hi Glenn
I haven't been able to answer posts because I've be down but when I
think about practical things like film-making I feel energised.
The annoying thing about the 15 min film is it was for an Indie
Competition and then it wasn't sent in !
I saw the winner's films and it would have definately got at least one
of the catagories.
My 15 year old said she didn't want to be judged by that film - what
can people expect at 15 ? She wrote, directed and shot it -
unfortunately she only had the family for actors! - She won't make that
mistake again !
That must have been very frustrating. Isn't it so often a minor
detail rather than the the effort of the task that lets us down?
Most of the locations were in London and some shots had to be taken
whilst driving.
I've never driven continuously around a roundabout 8 times but she kept
saying she wasn't sure the shots were ok.
She'll go far!
Also there was a shot that only lasted a minute but it needed to be
continuous and every time we did it, something different would go
wrong. Actually it was quite funny towards the end but I wouldn't want
to do it as a job.
I'm not sure about terminology and I don't think wasted 'film' that is
shot over again is actually out-take is it? Is it what you have left
after editing ?
Yes. Shooting ratio is based on how much film was shot compared
to how much ended up in the final product. Video has skewed that
at some levels due to the ability to reuse tape. However, at the
professional level, they almost never reuse tape due to it's
cheapness so the ratio tends to be the same as if shot on film.
Out takes refer to the 'takes' not used which is a slightly
different reference than shooting ratio but often used to mean
the same thing.
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| User: "violet" |
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01 Apr 2006 12:40:46 AM |
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GlennT wrote:
That must have been very frustrating. Isn't it so often a minor
detail rather than the the effort of the task that lets us down?
Yes, I've realised that a lot of hard work goes into organising these
things and how many factors influence even being able to get the right
shots.
She'll go far!
Probably, but not in film making - she's a teenager and goes through
phases.
Yes. Shooting ratio is
....r & s...
but often used to mean the same thing.
Thanks for clarifying that.
I think people like Robert Rodrigues are brill but they must be few and
far between- able to write, direct and edit ?
It seems strange to me that so much focus and kudos is given to
directors and not that much to editors since, as a layman, I would see
it as directors controlling how each scene appears but editors shaping
how the final film appears ? I imagine the director must have a say in
which scenes are cut ? but there seems an awful lot more to editing
from the look of the few student films I've seen.
I think you have a brill job - being creative and being able to pass on
your skills.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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01 Apr 2006 12:47:24 AM |
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In message <YHiXf.9922$JZ1.381553@news.xtra.co.nz>, GlennT
<askme@noname.nz> writes
Yes. Shooting ratio is based on how much film was shot compared to how
much ended up in the final product. Video has skewed that at some
levels due to the ability to reuse tape. However, at the professional
level, they almost never reuse tape due to it's cheapness so the ratio
tends to be the same as if shot on film. Out takes refer to the 'takes'
not used which is a slightly different reference than shooting ratio
but often used to mean the same thing.
Did you hear about the Indian director who shot a full length film in
one day. (It was in the papers a couple of months ago.) That must have
had a very low shooting ratio, if not one-to-one. He probably used first
takes for every scene, since the day included the editing! Scenes shot
in order, maybe?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "GlennT" |
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01 Apr 2006 02:17:04 AM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <YHiXf.9922$JZ1.381553@news.xtra.co.nz>, GlennT
<askme@noname.nz> writes
Yes. Shooting ratio is based on how much film was shot compared to how
much ended up in the final product. Video has skewed that at some
levels due to the ability to reuse tape. However, at the professional
level, they almost never reuse tape due to it's cheapness so the ratio
tends to be the same as if shot on film. Out takes refer to the
'takes' not used which is a slightly different reference than shooting
ratio but often used to mean the same thing.
Did you hear about the Indian director who shot a full length film in
one day. (It was in the papers a couple of months ago.) That must have
had a very low shooting ratio, if not one-to-one. He probably used first
takes for every scene, since the day included the editing! Scenes shot
in order, maybe?
I haven't heard of this one but the concept is known through the
48 hour short films festival. Shoot and edit a short film in 48
hours. It has become a world wide phenomenon. We also do a
similar thing with our third year students where they have to
shoot and edit a 6 minute short film in about 16 hours (not
consecutive).
It is always total crap. But that is the idea...
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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03 Apr 2006 02:37:39 AM |
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In message <cGqXf.10043$JZ1.383938@news.xtra.co.nz>, GlennT
<askme@noname.nz> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <YHiXf.9922$JZ1.381553@news.xtra.co.nz>, GlennT
<askme@noname.nz> writes
Yes. Shooting ratio is based on how much film was shot compared to
how much ended up in the final product. Video has skewed that at
some levels due to the ability to reuse tape. However, at the
professional level, they almost never reuse tape due to it's
cheapness so the ratio tends to be the same as if shot on film. Out
takes refer to the 'takes' not used which is a slightly different
reference than shooting ratio but often used to mean the same thing.
Did you hear about the Indian director who shot a full length film
in one day. (It was in the papers a couple of months ago.) That must
have had a very low shooting ratio, if not one-to-one. He probably
used first takes for every scene, since the day included the editing!
Scenes shot in order, maybe?
I haven't heard of this one but the concept is known through the 48
hour short films festival. Shoot and edit a short film in 48 hours. It
has become a world wide phenomenon. We also do a similar thing with our
third year students where they have to shoot and edit a 6 minute short
film in about 16 hours (not consecutive).
It is always total crap. But that is the idea...
They must get through a lot of coffee.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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