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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "yuluwirri"
Date: 09 May 2006 03:34:52 PM
Object: Lisa - just a thought (SP)
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Spoiler - Talking about self-harm.
Hey Lisa,
I was just thinking about some stuff after reading some of your posts
from last night.
I can remember when I used to self-harm all the time. It had become a
habit of emotional pain relief, and when nothing else worked, cutting
sure did. It was powerfully addictive so I can understand why you find
it so very hard to stop.
However, I also remembered what helped me overcome it. Please remember
I said helped, not entirely healed me of it, but it sure helped.
When my doc didn't make a big thing out of my cutting, even if I was
doing it every day or 3 times a day or whenever, he just shrugged and
the horrible shame was taken from it. The power it had simply started
to fade.
When the shame of the cutting was gone, and the reaction from my doc
was gone, I found other ways of dealing with the emotional pain.
I remember telling him "I cut last night" just as you would say, "I
read a book last night". It was very powerful. No reaction from him,
and no shame from me. I didn't share with anyone else, and between the
two of us, through intensive therapy and other means, I stopped
cutting.
It still comes back from time to time. This uncontrollable urge to
self-harm and it usually comes around when I am in extreme emotional
pain. It's like I just have to hurt myself in some way as if I
deserved it. It's like punishing myself for feeling so depressed, or
for being such a rotten/awful person, or of course, the natural way it
does focus the pain else-where so that the emotional stuff *appears*
to be a little less painful.
I don't know if this will help you in any way, but perhaps it is worth
a try?
See what you think and I always wish the best for you.
G xoxox
--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~
yuluwirri@hotmail.com
.

User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: Lisa - just a thought (SP) 09 May 2006 04:20:48 PM
yuluwirri wrote...

x-no-archive: yes

Spoiler - Talking about self-harm.


Hey Lisa,

I was just thinking about some stuff after reading some of
your posts from last night.

I can remember when I used to self-harm all the time. It
had become a habit of emotional pain relief, and when
nothing else worked, cutting sure did. It was powerfully
addictive so I can understand why you find it so very hard
to stop.

However, I also remembered what helped me overcome it.
Please remember I said helped, not entirely healed me of
it, but it sure helped.

When my doc didn't make a big thing out of my cutting, even
if I was doing it every day or 3 times a day or whenever,
he just shrugged and the horrible shame was taken from it.
The power it had simply started to fade.

When the shame of the cutting was gone, and the reaction
from my doc was gone, I found other ways of dealing with
the emotional pain.

I remember telling him "I cut last night" just as you would
say, "I read a book last night". It was very powerful. No
reaction from him, and no shame from me. I didn't share
with anyone else, and between the two of us, through
intensive therapy and other means, I stopped cutting.

It still comes back from time to time. This uncontrollable
urge to self-harm and it usually comes around when I am in
extreme emotional pain. It's like I just have to hurt
myself in some way as if I deserved it. It's like punishing
myself for feeling so depressed, or for being such a
rotten/awful person, or of course, the natural way it does
focus the pain else-where so that the emotional stuff
*appears* to be a little less painful.

I don't know if this will help you in any way, but perhaps
it is worth a try?

See what you think and I always wish the best for you.

G xoxox

thanks. i've done this before. sometimes it's helpful,
sometimes not. i'm not feeling guilt or shame now. more
concern at how i'm going to present it to clinicians. as for
myself, i really don't care that i'm cutting. all my pdoc said
when i told him was that he was sorry i was feeling so bad. no
major reaction. my therp will be a different story.
now it's in part of my latest partial treatment plan to post
on usenet for support and as a means of self-expression before
i cut. i might not be explicit about it, but expect plenty of
emotional posts to come, especially in my evenings/nights.
right now, cutting is the only way i've found to take a break
from the physical, mental, and emotional turmoil i'm feeling
through this med change. it's also the only way i can fall
asleep, even better than seroquel and restoril combined.
i posted my new plan on alt.support.self-harm. i can repost it
here if you want to see it.
-lisa
.
User: "yuluwirri"

Title: Re: Lisa - just a thought (SP) 09 May 2006 04:43:30 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On 9 May 2006 21:20:48 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:

Spoiler - Talking about self-harm.


Hey Lisa,

I was just thinking about some stuff after reading some of
your posts from last night.

I can remember when I used to self-harm all the time. It
had become a habit of emotional pain relief, and when
nothing else worked, cutting sure did. It was powerfully
addictive so I can understand why you find it so very hard
to stop.

However, I also remembered what helped me overcome it.
Please remember I said helped, not entirely healed me of
it, but it sure helped.

When my doc didn't make a big thing out of my cutting, even
if I was doing it every day or 3 times a day or whenever,
he just shrugged and the horrible shame was taken from it.
The power it had simply started to fade.

When the shame of the cutting was gone, and the reaction
from my doc was gone, I found other ways of dealing with
the emotional pain.

I remember telling him "I cut last night" just as you would
say, "I read a book last night". It was very powerful. No
reaction from him, and no shame from me. I didn't share
with anyone else, and between the two of us, through
intensive therapy and other means, I stopped cutting.

It still comes back from time to time. This uncontrollable
urge to self-harm and it usually comes around when I am in
extreme emotional pain. It's like I just have to hurt
myself in some way as if I deserved it. It's like punishing
myself for feeling so depressed, or for being such a
rotten/awful person, or of course, the natural way it does
focus the pain else-where so that the emotional stuff
*appears* to be a little less painful.

I don't know if this will help you in any way, but perhaps
it is worth a try?

See what you think and I always wish the best for you.

G xoxox

Hi Lisa,

thanks. i've done this before. sometimes it's helpful,
sometimes not. i'm not feeling guilt or shame now. more
concern at how i'm going to present it to clinicians. as for
myself, i really don't care that i'm cutting. all my pdoc said
when i told him was that he was sorry i was feeling so bad. no
major reaction. my therp will be a different story.

What if you asked your therp to stop reacting to your cutting in this
way? This may sound harsh, but I do believe that he is giving you some
positive attention for this behaviour. If he just shrugged and said
"no biggey" like your pdoc, I wonder if it might help things a little.
Probably not at first, indeed you may escalate the problem, but if the
attention is cut off, then the need becomes a little less over time I
feel.

now it's in part of my latest partial treatment plan to post
on usenet for support and as a means of self-expression before
i cut. i might not be explicit about it, but expect plenty of
emotional posts to come, especially in my evenings/nights.

Okay no worries. I will read and be here when I can. I don't know that
this will work though to be honest. Cutting is a very powerful way of
expressing yourself and gaining relief.

right now, cutting is the only way i've found to take a break
from the physical, mental, and emotional turmoil i'm feeling
through this med change. it's also the only way i can fall
asleep, even better than seroquel and restoril combined.

There you have it. If they can start working on *why* the only relief
you can get is to actually hurt yourself, then you are part-ways
towards getting some relief. Other "normal" people cope differently
then we do/did Lisa. I would like to see them working on the "why's"
rather than a solution that I am not sure will work anyways. This is
just my own opinion of course.

i posted my new plan on alt.support.self-harm. i can repost it
here if you want to see it.

Sure, post away. I hope you don't mind my being completely honest with
you? I just feel that in some ways they are heading in the wrong
direction with you, however I could be very wrong too.

-lisa

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~
yuluwirri@hotmail.com
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: Lisa - just a thought (SP) 09 May 2006 04:46:06 PM
yuluwirri wrote...

i posted my new plan on alt.support.self-harm. i can repost
it here if you want to see it.


Sure, post away. I hope you don't mind my being completely
honest with you? I just feel that in some ways they are
heading in the wrong direction with you, however I could be
very wrong too.

Subject: new safety plan
Date: 9 May 2006 20:55:30 GMT
From: "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.self-harm
i worked out a new one with my partial program contact
person.
1. distractions
2. visualization techniques
3. meditation/mindfulness practice
4. post here and/or on alt.support.depression
5. call crisis line
i bought a new book called 'taming the tiger within' by thich
nhat hanh. good insights into strong emotions, mostly anger
and fear. i know the core of my cutting is anger and
self-hatred going back to very early childhood. using the
book as a guide might help me get in touch with why. i can't
start healing until i understand the problem. i'll be using
this book for mindfulness practice for awhile. it's worth a
try.
-lisa
.
User: "yuluwirri"

Title: Re: Lisa - just a thought (SP) 09 May 2006 05:01:04 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On 9 May 2006 21:46:06 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:

yuluwirri wrote...

i posted my new plan on alt.support.self-harm. i can repost
it here if you want to see it.


Sure, post away. I hope you don't mind my being completely
honest with you? I just feel that in some ways they are
heading in the wrong direction with you, however I could be
very wrong too.


Subject: new safety plan
Date: 9 May 2006 20:55:30 GMT
From: "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.self-harm

i worked out a new one with my partial program contact
person.

1. distractions
2. visualization techniques
3. meditation/mindfulness practice
4. post here and/or on alt.support.depression
5. call crisis line

i bought a new book called 'taming the tiger within' by thich
nhat hanh. good insights into strong emotions, mostly anger
and fear. i know the core of my cutting is anger and
self-hatred going back to very early childhood. using the
book as a guide might help me get in touch with why. i can't
start healing until i understand the problem. i'll be using
this book for mindfulness practice for awhile. it's worth a
try.

Excellent work Lisa. I do hope that they can help you get in touch
with your true emotions from way back then. If you can acknowledge
them, feel them and heal through them, I feel things will be a lot
easier for you.
I've still got a fair way to go myself, so I'm no bloody expert. Just
putting out here what has worked for me in the past in the hopes that
it may be more grist for the mill for you and actually for us both.
G xoxox

-lisa

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~
yuluwirri@hotmail.com
.





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