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"old coyote" |
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25 Oct 2004 10:29:59 AM |
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low self-esteem in the corporate world |
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways. There has been a continuing
theme throughout my life whereby I "feel" put down, held down, down
graded, degraded and relegated to the status of second class. Since it
is a continuing theme, which has persisted since my earliest of
recollections, I have always looked inward for the answers. There have
always been, however, exterior influences and forces that have also
contributed to the demise of my own self-image and well being.
In early elementary school, birthdays were always a big deal. Except for
mine, that is. The class was forced to make birthday cards for the
celebrant with well wishes and otherwise civil and innocuous sentiments.
In my case, when the tone of the cards were, well lets just say suspect,
and I brought my feelings and evidence to the attention of the teachers,
I was put off and there were no repercussions. I was belittled,
embarrassed and relegated once again to living alone in my world at
school. I remember retaliating. "Justice" was swift and severe (for a
third grader) in that I was admonished by the teacher, directed to the
administration and beaten by my father after he received a phone call
from the principal and I had returned home from school that day. The
message in my notes to other kids' celebrations reflected the lessons
that I had learned. My cards were short and to the point with obvious
lack of real emotion, which was also met with disdain, although not as
severe. All of this seems rather petty some 34 years after the fact,
however, I revisit this time in my life in hopes of gleaning some measure
of understanding that might help me in my adult adjustments. Needless to
say it has been futile up to this point.
In my present position and capacity in employment, I am obviously a key
person (all modesty aside) in the operation and integration of the
experimental machinery that this facility has designed and manufactured
in an effort to build a new industry. I have designed and installed all
electric/electronic equipment, programming and sequencing required to
make this machinery operate in the most adverse of conditions, and
furthermore, when there is a problem with the machinery, I am the only
person capable of troubleshooting and effectively repairing the equipment
and getting it back into service in a timely fashion. One would think
that I would be held in higher esteem. The organization does what it can
to hide my efforts and talents and keep me shadowed from customers and
partners. That all may be moot, however, in that this company may be
singing its death song here shortly. Moot to my position here. The
larger issues remain as my personal situation will follow me to any and
all positions that I endeavor to undertake in any professional setting.
I know this because it has followed me to every job that I have ever had.
There always is what seems to me to be envy and jealousy by my peers and
superiors to the point of them personally sabotaging my efforts for gain.
I am tempted once again to go into business for myself. After two failed
and financially disastrous attempts, I am gun shy to say the least. It
would seem that with my low self-esteem and clinical depression that
being in business for myself is not necessarily the best scenario for
financial success (success being defined as being able to reliably meet
my financial obligations). Or, quite possibly, I have yet to meet my
true vocation. In any event, being one month shy of my 43rd birthday, I
do not relish theses thoughts, but I know that I must confront them.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
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-=oc=-
"you do not need to bargain your well being" - %
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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26 Oct 2004 07:05:16 PM |
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"old coyote" <the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns958D609CBA2A8theoldcoyote@130.133.1.4...
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways. There has been a continuing
theme throughout my life whereby I "feel" put down, held down, down
graded, degraded and relegated to the status of second class. Since it
is a continuing theme, which has persisted since my earliest of
recollections, I have always looked inward for the answers. There have
always been, however, exterior influences and forces that have also
contributed to the demise of my own self-image and well being.
In early elementary school, birthdays were always a big deal. Except for
mine, that is. The class was forced to make birthday cards for the
celebrant with well wishes and otherwise civil and innocuous sentiments.
In my case, when the tone of the cards were, well lets just say suspect,
and I brought my feelings and evidence to the attention of the teachers,
I was put off and there were no repercussions. I was belittled,
embarrassed and relegated once again to living alone in my world at
school. I remember retaliating. "Justice" was swift and severe (for a
third grader) in that I was admonished by the teacher, directed to the
administration and beaten by my father after he received a phone call
from the principal and I had returned home from school that day. The
message in my notes to other kids' celebrations reflected the lessons
that I had learned. My cards were short and to the point with obvious
lack of real emotion, which was also met with disdain, although not as
severe. All of this seems rather petty some 34 years after the fact,
however, I revisit this time in my life in hopes of gleaning some measure
of understanding that might help me in my adult adjustments. Needless to
say it has been futile up to this point.
I had some similar experiences in school, with insincere forced 'well
wishing' from the kids I knew disliked me the other 364 days of the year.
It's not so insinificant, it teaches you how to interact with people, and
things leaned that early become second nature. Anything we learn later as
adults has to be 'thought thriugh' and deliberately overrride the second
nature. It's a pain to do it, and having that ingrained 'old stuff' in you
sure makes it difficult to see things objectively very often.
In my present position and capacity in employment, I am obviously a key
person (all modesty aside) in the operation and integration of the
experimental machinery that this facility has designed and manufactured
in an effort to build a new industry. I have designed and installed all
electric/electronic equipment, programming and sequencing required to
make this machinery operate in the most adverse of conditions, and
furthermore, when there is a problem with the machinery, I am the only
person capable of troubleshooting and effectively repairing the equipment
and getting it back into service in a timely fashion. One would think
that I would be held in higher esteem. The organization does what it can
to hide my efforts and talents and keep me shadowed from customers and
partners. That all may be moot, however, in that this company may be
singing its death song here shortly. Moot to my position here. The
larger issues remain as my personal situation will follow me to any and
all positions that I endeavor to undertake in any professional setting.
I know this because it has followed me to every job that I have ever had.
There always is what seems to me to be envy and jealousy by my peers and
superiors to the point of them personally sabotaging my efforts for gain.
I've experienced some of the same. Didn't know what to make out oif it for a
long time. I knew some of it was due to my not so smooth people skills, but
I was also enlightened at some point by learning that often people felt
threathened by me, because I would tackle work very energetically, and being
pretty smart, made people feel that they'll soon become redundant... My lack
of people skills and not very smooth ability to make them buddies, so they
would feel safe in their position, made them dislike me, and undermine me in
order to protect themselves from what they percieved as a threat to their
security. That was a hard one to learn, and I'm still not very good at
fixing the situation, even when I do see it happen. At work, I'm attentive
to work - which in my case is technical, with very little people
interaction (when compared to let's say sales or customer service), so at
the office I come across as very dry. Like I said, that has worked against
me.
I am tempted once again to go into business for myself. After two failed
and financially disastrous attempts, I am gun shy to say the least. It
would seem that with my low self-esteem and clinical depression that
being in business for myself is not necessarily the best scenario for
financial success (success being defined as being able to reliably meet
my financial obligations). Or, quite possibly, I have yet to meet my
true vocation. In any event, being one month shy of my 43rd birthday, I
do not relish theses thoughts, but I know that I must confront them.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
I found that doing business on my own, I need a support network that at
least in small parts here and there is rooting for my success. I do much
better when I know people are watching, and cheering for me. That's the kind
of 'hand holding' I tend to crave.
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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26 Oct 2004 03:10:59 AM |
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On 25 Oct 2004 15:29:59 GMT, old coyote <the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In my present position and capacity in employment, I am obviously a key=20
person (all modesty aside) in the operation and integration of the=20
experimental machinery that this facility has designed and manufactured=20
in an effort to build a new industry. I have designed and installed all=
=20
electric/electronic equipment, programming and sequencing required to=20
make this machinery operate in the most adverse of conditions, and=20
furthermore, when there is a problem with the machinery, I am the only=20
person capable of troubleshooting and effectively repairing the =
equipment=20
and getting it back into service in a timely fashion. One would think=20
that I would be held in higher esteem. The organization does what it =
can=20
to hide my efforts and talents and keep me shadowed from customers and=20
partners. That all may be moot, however, in that this company may be=20
singing its death song here shortly. Moot to my position here. The=20
larger issues remain as my personal situation will follow me to any and=20
all positions that I endeavor to undertake in any professional setting. =
=20
I know this because it has followed me to every job that I have ever =
had. =20
There always is what seems to me to be envy and jealousy by my peers and=
=20
superiors to the point of them personally sabotaging my efforts for =
gain.
eh, I done that. fine titles on resumes like prototype engineer
yeah. building hi-tech ***** with milk jugs and hot-glue, getting
titanium alloy I'm expected to use jive hand tools on, pumps
that suck instead of blow, and transformerless designs that
were stolen by a Canadian from the Germans, and then by an
inventor who made a novel factory fish ship ice maker. *****,
they had some *****-flinging warz over the designs, contracts
and because the Canadian was so pissed and foul-mouthed
the turkey I worked for got the whole enchilada for all pools
operated by the city. pffft. damm box was a shock hazard
occasionally would self-destruct, too. all the carefully designed
(around the NE-555) protection against blowing-up were tore out
I could never convince the dude epoxy don't stick to milk jugs!
at least I could run an ozone maker in the shop that didn't bother
me but made everyone else choke, and the business that was
in the same building was a fish smoaking enterprise that filled
my work area with all sorts of lovely fumes, most of the time...
nevertheless, I took a ***** of a lot of acid when I was there
it was the only way I could boost my reaction-time to avoid
shrapnel from stuff my assistant blew up, work thrown from
the drill-press, or exploding grinder wheels affixed to a motor
from a washing machine. then there was my immediate boss
John Eagle who looked more like a Westerner than I do. his
thing was talking about The Lord, and getting into these three-
way bizarre conversations with me, an acid-head heathen, a
Jew who Believed in Jesus, and whatever John was into....
gawd knows. I got six bucks an hour for this *****
no wonder the guvvimint called me "decompensated"...
I am tempted once again to go into business for myself. After two =
failed=20
and financially disastrous attempts, I am gun shy to say the least. It=20
would seem that with my low self-esteem and clinical depression that=20
being in business for myself is not necessarily the best scenario for=20
financial success (success being defined as being able to reliably meet=20
my financial obligations). Or, quite possibly, I have yet to meet my=20
true vocation. In any event, being one month shy of my 43rd birthday, I=
=20
do not relish theses thoughts, but I know that I must confront them.
just do it. yaaa, that sounds eazy from my side of the barricade,
but sometimes ya just gotta go-for-it, or end-up in Tent City.....
believe me, a decent yurt in the forest, a good .19 caliber varmint
rifle (and the reloading stuff to go with it) some traps, nets, a
12-shooter .22 revolver, a sawed-off double-barrel (and trick loads)
a Model 97 riot gun, and mebbe a .44 Magnum revolver and a AK-47
get on the good side of the county sherrif is a very good idea, too
the landless wandering vaqueros I knew said they pitied the poor
who lived in the cities up here. um, learn to use a bola. in fact,
make as many variations as you can, so you can take deer live
without injuring them (live meat keeps well) up to gawdawful
moose-killers (you will need lots of meat and hides; good for trade)
I will not troop to *****-reeking alleys to perish in the city snow!
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
some toad will bust me for child molestation if I do that...
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| User: "Charles" |
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25 Oct 2004 08:07:58 PM |
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On 25 Oct 2004 15:29:59 GMT, old coyote <the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways. There has been a continuing
theme throughout my life whereby I "feel" put down, held down, down
graded, degraded and relegated to the status of second class. Since it
is a continuing theme, which has persisted since my earliest of
recollections, I have always looked inward for the answers. There have
always been, however, exterior influences and forces that have also
contributed to the demise of my own self-image and well being.
In early elementary school, birthdays were always a big deal. Except for
mine, that is. The class was forced to make birthday cards for the
celebrant with well wishes and otherwise civil and innocuous sentiments.
In my case, when the tone of the cards were, well lets just say suspect,
and I brought my feelings and evidence to the attention of the teachers,
I was put off and there were no repercussions. I was belittled,
embarrassed and relegated once again to living alone in my world at
school. I remember retaliating. "Justice" was swift and severe (for a
third grader) in that I was admonished by the teacher, directed to the
administration and beaten by my father after he received a phone call
from the principal and I had returned home from school that day. The
message in my notes to other kids' celebrations reflected the lessons
that I had learned. My cards were short and to the point with obvious
lack of real emotion, which was also met with disdain, although not as
severe. All of this seems rather petty some 34 years after the fact,
however, I revisit this time in my life in hopes of gleaning some measure
of understanding that might help me in my adult adjustments. Needless to
say it has been futile up to this point.
In my present position and capacity in employment, I am obviously a key
person (all modesty aside) in the operation and integration of the
experimental machinery that this facility has designed and manufactured
in an effort to build a new industry. I have designed and installed all
electric/electronic equipment, programming and sequencing required to
make this machinery operate in the most adverse of conditions, and
furthermore, when there is a problem with the machinery, I am the only
person capable of troubleshooting and effectively repairing the equipment
and getting it back into service in a timely fashion. One would think
that I would be held in higher esteem. The organization does what it can
to hide my efforts and talents and keep me shadowed from customers and
partners. That all may be moot, however, in that this company may be
singing its death song here shortly. Moot to my position here. The
larger issues remain as my personal situation will follow me to any and
all positions that I endeavor to undertake in any professional setting.
I know this because it has followed me to every job that I have ever had.
There always is what seems to me to be envy and jealousy by my peers and
superiors to the point of them personally sabotaging my efforts for gain.
I am tempted once again to go into business for myself. After two failed
and financially disastrous attempts, I am gun shy to say the least. It
would seem that with my low self-esteem and clinical depression that
being in business for myself is not necessarily the best scenario for
financial success (success being defined as being able to reliably meet
my financial obligations). Or, quite possibly, I have yet to meet my
true vocation. In any event, being one month shy of my 43rd birthday, I
do not relish theses thoughts, but I know that I must confront them.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
Late response, I wanted to think before I wrote.
Gail Sheehy wrote a book called "Passages," the thrust or which was
that people go through periods in their lives which entail upsetting
changes. Early forties is one of the worst. I'm in my sixties, would
not want to do the fifties over, and really, really not the forties.
Things are coming up now that need to be dealt with, and it hurts. I
don't have a good story about how I got through them, sometimes just
at an hour at a time.
Low Self-esteem and depression have a way of finding their own
justification and imposing it on us. Something innocuous can happen
to me, or something that I hear about, and I incorporate the bad side
of it into my being immediately. (Well, not as much as I used to)
The memories of school time and birthday cards, that would be
something worth taking to a talk therapist The therapist probably
won't have any clear answers, but can provide a safe environment where
you can take the memories, thoughts and feelings out and examine them,
squeeze the life out of them, and put them in your past.
I think the corporate world is an unlikely place to find respect. You
say you are a key person, that means others need you and they will
resent that.
Where I worked we were in the technical/engineering part of the
business. Sales/marketing brought in the money, we were just a
financial drain. Without us they would have had nothing to sell, but
that was not important in their world. The services we provided were
defective, because they did not do what the sales people told the
customers they did.
The times most frequent when the technical people come to mind is when
things are not going right. It's somewhat like the police, the only
time you think of them is when something is wrong.
You can get satisfaction from your work, but it has to come from
within you, not from people around you. They sometimes give you
money, their obligation to you has been filled.
Hang in there, it's darkest before the dawn.
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- Charles
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-does not play well with others
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: low self-esteem in the corporate world |
26 Oct 2004 05:51:04 PM |
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I hope I'm not going into your killfile %.Being steemed by a whirl
pool is fun...it's so relaxing...
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2004 05:57:22 PM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410261451.52092a86@posting.google.com...
I hope I'm not going into your killfile %.Being steemed by a whirl
pool is fun...it's so relaxing...
well i can't snipe at you if you're not in my killfile
i can't go into steemed whirlpools , it makes the inside of my brain
look like it's on the outside and i lose my self center
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: low self-esteem in the corporate world |
25 Oct 2004 11:42:49 AM |
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old coyote <the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com> wrote:
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways. There has been a continuing
theme throughout my life whereby I "feel" put down, held down,
<snip birthday card stuff>
have nothing esp useful to say about that, it may be relevant since
you are recalling it
In my present position and capacity in employment, I am obviously a key
person (all modesty aside) in the operation .... I am the only
person capable of troubleshooting and effectively repairing the equipment
and getting it back into service in a timely fashion.
One would think
that I would be held in higher esteem.
nope, don't expect that
larger issues remain as my personal situation will follow me to any and
all positions that I endeavor to undertake in any professional setting.
I know this because it has followed me to every job that I have ever had.
There always is what seems to me to be envy and jealousy by my peers and
superiors to the point of them personally sabotaging my efforts for gain.
this is entirely possible
would seem that with my low self-esteem and clinical depression that
being in business for myself is not necessarily the best scenario for
financial success (success being defined as being able to reliably meet
my financial obligations). Or, quite possibly, I have yet to meet my
true vocation. In any event, being one month shy of my 43rd birthday, I
do not relish theses thoughts, but I know that I must confront them.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
I really understand your situation. It's small consolation to someone
outside NYC, but there's a group that meets on these issues here. I
just learned about it. If you can find anything similar, it would be
a good idea.
there's the "mental health" issues and the "normal workplace insanity"
issues, and the only way to deal with either is to dis-isolate yourself.
obviously you desire to do so. without endorsing any notions you have
about your employers' shortcomings, I have to say that many employers
desire to isolate their staff.
that's about all I can say usefully at this time, wishing you all the
best
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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26 Oct 2004 05:38:50 PM |
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I liked what Gayle had to say here about Nelson Mandela...I think
about that sometimes too...About how we are all inherently perfect,we
just have to really KNOW it deep down...That's the hard part.But it is
really true...I've struggled with low self esteem and insecurity for a
long time,I still struggle with it,but I think I'm finally able to
give myself more positive messages these days...
I have a book called "The self esteem workbook",which is helpful.I
haven't looked at it in a while.I should again tonight...
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2004 05:43:53 PM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410261438.783b0c91@posting.google.com...
I liked what Gayle had to say here about Nelson Mandela...I think
about that sometimes too...About how we are all inherently perfect,we
just have to really KNOW it deep down...That's the hard part.But it is
really true...I've struggled with low self esteem and insecurity for a
long time,I still struggle with it,but I think I'm finally able to
give myself more positive messages these days...
I have a book called "The self esteem workbook",which is helpful.I
haven't looked at it in a while.I should again tonight...
why would anyone want to steam themselves ?
snipe snipe snipe , killfile
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| User: "Jernau Gurgeh" |
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25 Oct 2004 03:39:09 PM |
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old coyote wrote in alt.support.depression:
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways. There has been a continuing
theme throughout my life whereby I "feel" put down, held down, down
graded, degraded and relegated to the status of second class. Since
it is a continuing theme, which has persisted since my earliest of
recollections, I have always looked inward for the answers. There
have always been, however, exterior influences and forces that have
also contributed to the demise of my own self-image and well being.
OC, I have snipped a lot below, only because I don't know what to say about
it.
<snip>
In my present position and capacity in employment, I am obviously a
key person (all modesty aside) in the operation and integration of the
experimental machinery that this facility has designed and
manufactured in an effort to build a new industry. I have designed
and installed all electric/electronic equipment, programming and
sequencing required to make this machinery operate in the most adverse
of conditions, and furthermore, when there is a problem with the
machinery, I am the only person capable of troubleshooting and
effectively repairing the equipment and getting it back into service
in a timely fashion.
What happens to this equipment if the company does go out of business? I
don't suppose the schematics of what you designed and built are your
intellectual property?
One would think that I would be held in higher
esteem. The organization does what it can to hide my efforts and
talents and keep me shadowed from customers and partners. That all
may be moot, however, in that this company may be singing its death
song here shortly. Moot to my position here. The larger issues
remain as my personal situation will follow me to any and all
positions that I endeavor to undertake in any professional setting.
I know this because it has followed me to every job that I have ever
had. There always is what seems to me to be envy and jealousy by my
peers and superiors to the point of them personally sabotaging my
efforts for gain.
Why is that? You seem such an affable guy. Are they threatened by your
intelligence? Is it your heritage? I am genuinely puzzled by this.
I am tempted once again to go into business for myself. After two
failed and financially disastrous attempts, I am gun shy to say the
least. It would seem that with my low self-esteem and clinical
depression that being in business for myself is not necessarily the
best scenario for financial success (success being defined as being
able to reliably meet my financial obligations). Or, quite possibly,
I have yet to meet my true vocation. In any event, being one month
shy of my 43rd birthday, I do not relish theses thoughts, but I know
that I must confront them.
I am looking into that as well. I don't want to go back into IT, and the
only other option I can think of is to do some freelancing. And yes, I have
serious doubts about the financial prospects of such a project too, but I
think I'll take my chances.
Why didn't your previous attempts work out, if I may ask? In my case I
think it would be the financial administration, but I will outsource that.
Well, good luck, whatever path you choose.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
No problem.
Jernau
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The only failure in life
is the failure to try
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: low self-esteem in the corporate world |
26 Oct 2004 10:35:26 AM |
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old coyote wrote:
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
You might agree that there were many external circumstances
that could easily have crushed the self-esteem of a human
being who was as marginalized as Nelson Mandela. Some days,
when I want a hand to hold, I grab on to these thoughts from
his Inaugural speech:
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves: Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented
and fabulous?
Actually, who are you NOT to be? You are a child of God. Your
playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing
enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel
insecure around you. It's not just in some of us; it's in
everyone. And, as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously
give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence
automatically liberates others.
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| User: "Gayle" |
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26 Oct 2004 11:17:47 AM |
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old coyote wrote:
and another thing --
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways.
If you believe that low self-esteem or depression prevents one
from achieving goals that are externally measured as
"successful" in the dominant culture, that's a false
assumption, imo. My work brings me into contact with many of
those the culture labels 'high achievers'. The nature of the
work -- speechwriting -- means that I see them at their most
vulnerable and fearful. More than one of them has confessed,
sometimes with tears, that the painful things they suffered in
school and at home as children are the fuel for their
ambitions and drive. That's where they go, emotionally, when
they need to take it up a notch. It's an awesome thing to
witness, really. Like when that guy turns into the Hulk.
All's I'm sayin' is that there are 2 sides to the coin of low
self-esteem. And depression. And fear. Harnessed, they can be
powerful tools. imo.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
Be careful what you ask for, hee! Yer on my radar now, you
self-employment-vision-quester, you. And I AM the cheerleader
from hell. C'mon, take my hand and leap the chasm, my friend
.... it's FUN to be a free agent. All it requires is
imagination, intention, and desire. Oh yeah, you gotta want it
with all the passion ya can muster. The rest is just logistics.
Or as Yogi Berra said: "90% of this game is mental. The other
half is physical."
It's freakin' amazing how well the metaphors and metaphysics
of baseball apply to real life, ain't it?
Gayle
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26 Oct 2004 11:30:10 AM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
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old coyote wrote:
and another thing --
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways.
If you believe that low self-esteem or depression prevents one
from achieving goals that are externally measured as
"successful" in the dominant culture, that's a false
assumption, imo. My work brings me into contact with many of
those the culture labels 'high achievers'. The nature of the
work -- speechwriting -- means that I see them at their most
vulnerable and fearful. More than one of them has confessed,
sometimes with tears, that the painful things they suffered in
school and at home as children are the fuel for their
ambitions and drive. That's where they go, emotionally, when
they need to take it up a notch. It's an awesome thing to
witness, really. Like when that guy turns into the Hulk.
All's I'm sayin' is that there are 2 sides to the coin of low
self-esteem. And depression. And fear. Harnessed, they can be
powerful tools. imo.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
Be careful what you ask for, hee! Yer on my radar now, you
self-employment-vision-quester, you. And I AM the cheerleader
from hell. C'mon, take my hand and leap the chasm, my friend
... it's FUN to be a free agent. All it requires is
imagination, intention, and desire. Oh yeah, you gotta want it
with all the passion ya can muster. The rest is just logistics.
Or as Yogi Berra said: "90% of this game is mental. The other
half is physical."
It's freakin' amazing how well the metaphors and metaphysics
of baseball apply to real life, ain't it?
Gayle
yea , it's played on a diamond
the object is to go home
if you ***** up , you fouled
and if you can't hit it you can walk
and if you can't get home , you're out
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| User: "Gayle" |
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26 Oct 2004 12:04:12 PM |
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yea , it's played on a diamond
the object is to go home
if you ***** up , you fouled
and if you can't hit it you can walk
and if you can't get home , you're out
So simple, so elemental ... kinda like the carry water, chop
wood zen thing.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2004 12:25:17 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:770a$417e838d$d19632ad$31926@allthenewsgroups.com...
yea , it's played on a diamond
the object is to go home
if you ***** up , you fouled
and if you can't hit it you can walk
and if you can't get home , you're out
So simple, so elemental ... kinda like the carry water, chop
wood zen thing.
that's a zen thing ? , i thought i was the only one that did that
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| User: "Gayle" |
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26 Oct 2004 01:09:59 PM |
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% wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:770a$417e838d$d19632ad$31926@allthenewsgroups.com...
yea , it's played on a diamond
the object is to go home
if you ***** up , you fouled
and if you can't hit it you can walk
and if you can't get home , you're out
So simple, so elemental ... kinda like the carry water, chop
wood zen thing.
that's a zen thing ? , i thought i was the only one that did that
Nobody does it better than you.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2004 01:37:49 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:7034e$417e92f9$d19632ad$30094@allthenewsgroups.com...
% wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:770a$417e838d$d19632ad$31926@allthenewsgroups.com...
yea , it's played on a diamond
the object is to go home
if you ***** up , you fouled
and if you can't hit it you can walk
and if you can't get home , you're out
So simple, so elemental ... kinda like the carry water, chop
wood zen thing.
that's a zen thing ? , i thought i was the only one that did that
Nobody does it better than you.
you're reminding me of a Frank zappa song called , " She Was A Fine Girl "
or maybe its just called , ' Fine Girl ? "
i searched but i can't find the lyrics but i stink at searching so , no
surprise
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| User: "Jernau Gurgeh" |
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26 Oct 2004 02:39:42 PM |
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% wrote in alt.support.depression:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:7034e$417e92f9$d19632ad$30094@allthenewsgroups.com...
% wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:770a$417e838d$d19632ad$31926@allthenewsgroups.com...
yea , it's played on a diamond
the object is to go home
if you ***** up , you fouled
and if you can't hit it you can walk
and if you can't get home , you're out
So simple, so elemental ... kinda like the carry water, chop
wood zen thing.
that's a zen thing ? , i thought i was the only one that did that
Nobody does it better than you.
you're reminding me of a Frank zappa song called , " She Was A Fine
Girl " or maybe its just called , ' Fine Girl ? "
i searched but i can't find the lyrics but i stink at searching so ,
no surprise
"Fine Girl"
Well, yeah, well
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
She could get down wit de get down
All de way down
She do yer laundry
She change a tire
Chop a little wood for de fire
Poke it around...if it died down
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
She go up in the mornin'
She go down in the evenin'...all de way down
She do the dishes
If you wishes
Silverware too
Make it look brand new...when she get through
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
Outa this world
Well, yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah, well
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
She could get down wit de get down
All de way down
She do your laundry
She change a tire
Chop a little wood for de fire
Poke it around...if it died down
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
With a lovely smile
With a bucket on her head
Fulla water from de well
She could run a mile
Oh yeah
She wouldn't spill a drop
It'd stay on top
Her head was kinda flat
But her hair covered that
She was a fine girl
Didn't need no school
She was built like a mule
With a thong sandal
Well, wasn't no kinda job she could not handle
She could get down...wit de get down
All de way down
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town...
We need some more like dat...
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| User: "Gayle" |
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26 Oct 2004 02:53:56 PM |
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% wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:7034e$417e92f9$d19632ad$30094@allthenewsgroups.com...
% wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:770a$417e838d$d19632ad$31926@allthenewsgroups.com...
yea , it's played on a diamond
the object is to go home
if you ***** up , you fouled
and if you can't hit it you can walk
and if you can't get home , you're out
So simple, so elemental ... kinda like the carry water, chop
wood zen thing.
that's a zen thing ? , i thought i was the only one that did that
Nobody does it better than you.
you're reminding me of a Frank zappa song called , " She Was A Fine Girl "
or maybe its just called , ' Fine Girl ? "
i searched but i can't find the lyrics but i stink at searching so , no
surprise
Well, yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah, well
Oh yeah (Oh yeah, yeah!)
She was a fine girl (Fine gi-rl!)
She could get down (Woo-hoo!)
Wit de get down
All de way down (Yeah!)
She do your laundry (I don't like laundry!)
She change a tire (Why, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah . . . )
Chop a little wood for de fire (Ooh)
Poke it around . . . if it died down
Oh yeah (Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!)
She was a fine girl (Fine girl, hey)
With a lovely smile
With a bucket on her head
Fulla water from de well
She could run a mile
Oh yeah (Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!)
She wouldn't spill a drop
It'd stay on top
Her head was kinda flat
But her hair covered that
She was a fine girl (Fine girl, fine girl, hey)
Didn't need no school
She was built like a mule
With a thong sandal (Woo-hoo!)
It wasn't no kinda job she could not handle
She could get down . . . (Get do-win!)
Wit de get down (Yeah yeah yeah)
All de way down (Wooh!)
We need some more like dat
In dis kinda town (Well, we . . . )
We need some more like dat
In dis kinda town (Well, we . . . )
We need some more like dat
In dis kinda town (Well, we . . . )
We need some more like dat
In dis kinda town
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| User: "John" |
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25 Oct 2004 11:35:53 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Third time's the charm.
<:o)
"old coyote" <the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns958D609CBA2A8theoldcoyote@130.133.1.4...
Low self-esteem affects one in many ways. There has been a continuing
theme throughout my life whereby I "feel" put down, held down, down
graded, degraded and relegated to the status of second class. Since it
is a continuing theme, which has persisted since my earliest of
recollections, I have always looked inward for the answers. There have
always been, however, exterior influences and forces that have also
contributed to the demise of my own self-image and well being.
In early elementary school, birthdays were always a big deal. Except for
mine, that is. The class was forced to make birthday cards for the
celebrant with well wishes and otherwise civil and innocuous sentiments.
In my case, when the tone of the cards were, well lets just say suspect,
and I brought my feelings and evidence to the attention of the teachers,
I was put off and there were no repercussions. I was belittled,
embarrassed and relegated once again to living alone in my world at
school. I remember retaliating. "Justice" was swift and severe (for a
third grader) in that I was admonished by the teacher, directed to the
administration and beaten by my father after he received a phone call
from the principal and I had returned home from school that day. The
message in my notes to other kids' celebrations reflected the lessons
that I had learned. My cards were short and to the point with obvious
lack of real emotion, which was also met with disdain, although not as
severe. All of this seems rather petty some 34 years after the fact,
however, I revisit this time in my life in hopes of gleaning some measure
of understanding that might help me in my adult adjustments. Needless to
say it has been futile up to this point.
In my present position and capacity in employment, I am obviously a key
person (all modesty aside) in the operation and integration of the
experimental machinery that this facility has designed and manufactured
in an effort to build a new industry. I have designed and installed all
electric/electronic equipment, programming and sequencing required to
make this machinery operate in the most adverse of conditions, and
furthermore, when there is a problem with the machinery, I am the only
person capable of troubleshooting and effectively repairing the equipment
and getting it back into service in a timely fashion. One would think
that I would be held in higher esteem. The organization does what it can
to hide my efforts and talents and keep me shadowed from customers and
partners. That all may be moot, however, in that this company may be
singing its death song here shortly. Moot to my position here. The
larger issues remain as my personal situation will follow me to any and
all positions that I endeavor to undertake in any professional setting.
I know this because it has followed me to every job that I have ever had.
There always is what seems to me to be envy and jealousy by my peers and
superiors to the point of them personally sabotaging my efforts for gain.
I am tempted once again to go into business for myself. After two failed
and financially disastrous attempts, I am gun shy to say the least. It
would seem that with my low self-esteem and clinical depression that
being in business for myself is not necessarily the best scenario for
financial success (success being defined as being able to reliably meet
my financial obligations). Or, quite possibly, I have yet to meet my
true vocation. In any event, being one month shy of my 43rd birthday, I
do not relish theses thoughts, but I know that I must confront them.
Hold my hand somebody. Please?
--
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"you do not need to bargain your well being" - %
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