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"Ogre" |
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30 Apr 2006 10:47:43 PM |
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marriage is gone |
After the first month of what was to be a three month temporary
separation, my wife of seven years made it clear that she had no
intentions of a reconciliation. She is dumping me. It was a long and
painful road to this point. I'll give you the shortened version.
When the tech industry took a nose dive, I found myself out of work and
we were suddenly surviving on her income and what little I was getting
from contract jobs, which were few and far between. I had been trying
to get any kind of work, but I guess fast food joints would take one
look at my work history and decide I was too over qualified to bag
fries. To make ends meet I cashed in first some stock options I still
had, then my 401k investment.
My wife felt I hadn't been trying hard enough to find work. At first
that wasn't true. I was trying my best. Eventually I started getting
depressed, I didn't try as hard. It took me two years to find a
permanent job in the tech industry, and the pay was *****, but it was
work. We still had money problems and the strain of that following my
long period out of work made our marriage very shaky.
Just over six months ago I landed a great job with great pay and
benefits. Normally, we would have been able to repair our relationship,
but another problem reared its ugly head.
My wife's teenage daughter, my step-daughter, had started getting into
drugs and alcohol. It started out slowly, but it soon grew to be
completely out of control. My wife didn't seem capable of intervening,
and became angry whenever I tried to do something. At times, my wife
was an active enabler. For example, I had discovered that my daughter's
plans for the evening was a lie, she had been arranging a drinking party
(who was bringing the vodka, etc). Just before she was leaving for the
party, I presented the evidence to my wife. She let her daughter go,
anyway. Her daughter didn't come home until the next afternoon because
she had passed out drunk. We argued about how to deal with her daughter
all the time. It soon consumed our daily lives. Our daughter was first
diagnosed with depression. Later, the diagnosis was modified to
bipolarism. The manic stages were quite obvious when you knew what to
look for. My wife rejected this diagnosis. So we argued about her
treatment.
During the past month when I was living in a boarding house as part of
our temporary separation, my step-daughter's behavior become ten times
worse and my wife didn't seem to spend any time around her daughter. I
was very close to calling Child Protective Services.
After struggling with this problem for over a year, early last week my
step-daughter was escorted to an out of state treatment facility. My
wife had finally made that difficult decision and had her daughter
admitted. We could finally have a moment to catch our breath and work
on our relationship. That's when my wife decides the temporary
separation would become permanent.
I had actually been expecting this for the past week, so I had braced
myself. I thought I would be ok. Maybe a little sad, but I knew this
was coming, so no problem, right?
Throughout the day I kept having anxiety attacks. I shook them off and
kept telling myself I was just fine. Sure I was.
Early this evening I completely lost it. It started out as another
anxiety attack, except I ended up curled up on the floor crying like a
baby for an hour. I don't know where my wife is and I don't know how to
contact her. And even if I did, she probably wouldn't talk to me. And
all I could think of while curled up on the ground like a pitiful pile
of garbage was, "what life do I have without my wife?" I have no answer.
So I ran out and bought a bottle of vodka. I'm not really a drinker, so
it shouldn't take much. I plan to get so drunk that I won't remember
why I got drunk. I plan to get so drunk that I'll pass out instead of
having to suffer through another night of lying in bed and going over
every fucking what-if and regret from the past few years. At some
in-between state of drunkedness, maybe I'll do something stupid.
My wife was not just my spouse. She _was_ my best friend and my
companion. I would do anything in the world to save my marriage, but
it's beyond me. So all I can do is get drunk, pass out, and deal with
tomorrow when I wake up.
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Ogre
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| User: "Violet" |
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30 Apr 2006 11:13:20 PM |
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Do you think becoming an alcoholic will make things easier for you?
I don't; but it's your life.
Some tough breaks, but ask for the right sort of help & you'll get what
you need.
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| User: "%" |
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30 Apr 2006 11:19:43 PM |
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"Violet" <verity.gray@mac.com> wrote in message
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Do you think becoming an alcoholic will make things easier for you?
I don't; but it's your life.
Some tough breaks, but ask for the right sort of help & you'll get what
you need.
alcoholism worked for me ,
but i don't recommend it for just anyone
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| User: "Ogre" |
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01 May 2006 01:49:58 AM |
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Violet wrote:
Do you think becoming an alcoholic will make things easier for you?
I don't; but it's your life.
Some tough breaks, but ask for the right sort of help & you'll get what
you need.
One good night of drinking does not an alcoholic make.
I hope I have enough vodka in me to pass out, because I hurt too much
too think.
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| User: "Violet" |
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01 May 2006 02:32:40 AM |
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Ogre wrote:
One good night of drinking does not an alcoholic make.
I hope I have enough vodka in me to pass out, because I hurt too much
too think.
Sorry, I realised after I'd posted that I was wrong but I'd drunk too
much red wine by then to post again. My ex was an alcoholic and even
though he was v. hurtful to me, I feel sorry for the hell he seems to
be in. :-/
Take care, look after yourself & I hope you feel better soon. :-)
Violet
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| User: "Ogre" |
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01 May 2006 10:46:44 AM |
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Violet wrote:
Ogre wrote:
One good night of drinking does not an alcoholic make.
I hope I have enough vodka in me to pass out, because I hurt too much
too think.
Sorry, I realised after I'd posted that I was wrong but I'd drunk too
much red wine by then to post again. My ex was an alcoholic and even
though he was v. hurtful to me, I feel sorry for the hell he seems to
be in. :-/
Take care, look after yourself & I hope you feel better soon. :-)
Violet
I didn't drink enough last night. I woke up at 6:30am. I also tried
calling a therapist yesterday when I was having my break-down. Since it
was Sunday I could only get her voicemail. I did leave a message.
My wife started going to AA eight months ago at my urging. She's been
sober since. Previously, she used drinking to escape responsibility.
AA replaced drinking. She was never home. She would never spend any
time with me or her daughter. So I was left to try to keep her daughter
(only 15 years old) from drinking and doing drugs. Except my wife
didn't want me to do anything. She would quote AA slogans, "You have to
let her hit rock bottom and want help before you can help." Because
her daughter is bipolar, there is no rock bottom. I simply could not
stand by and watch a child that I loved destroy her life.
My wife's obsession with AA was like a religious cult. Making your
sobriety your primary goal should not mean excluding your husband and
your daughter from your life. But that's what happened. Her AA buddies
urged her on in this thinking.
I've tried calling my wife at her work to ask her how she wants to
handle things. I want to ask her if we can sit down like adults and
work out the details in a relatively friendly manner, or are we going to
have an ugly battle with attorneys. She isn't picking up, so it's
possible she isn't going to work today. I wouldn't be surprised if, on
the urging of her AA friends, she tried to get a court order to keep me
away from my home. The last time I spoke to her (Saturday), she alluded
to doing something like that. She would have to lie, though, and make
up some story about being threatened. I've never threatened her in my
life. I've never raised an angry hand at her. I've never even
considered doing something like that.
--
Ogre
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| User: "Violet" |
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01 May 2006 10:55:58 AM |
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Ogre wrote:
I didn't drink enough last night. I woke up at 6:30am. I also tried
Read & snipped
life. I've never raised an angry hand at her. I've never even
considered doing something like that.
That sounds really tough & all I can say is, FWIW, try to look after
yourself, your health etc. Take care; V
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| User: "" |
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02 May 2006 11:06:06 AM |
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 08:46:44 -0700, Ogre <ogre@evilstepfather.org>
wrote:
<snip>
->My wife's obsession with AA was like a religious cult. Making your
->sobriety your primary goal should not mean excluding your husband and
->your daughter from your life. But that's what happened. Her AA buddies
->urged her on in this thinking.
AA _is_ a religious cult. There are other methods of maintaining
sobriety, but few are espoused by treatment centers because they're
led by AA types. Moderation Management espouses realistic options for
controlled drinking, personal responsibility and leads to a greater
chance of success:
http://moderation.org
It's possible to be involved in AA without becoming cultist. Some
folks use it as a social network without becoming slogan-spouting
drones. The structure of the "program" encourages members to center
their lives around it and ignore everything else. Woe be unto the new
member in the clutches of longtime AA's who have no life other than
AA...
I've found it easier to stay sober without the AA crap, which actually
encourages relapse. Sit around and talk about booze in a room full of
drunks every night, of course booze is going to be on one's mind 24/7!
They make relapse sound like the end of the world, when it could be a
temporary lapse of judgement. I'd rather think "oops, I screwed up,
sleep it off and cut it out " than "here comes death, insanity and
jail!"
I floated in and out of AA under pressure from therapists, gave up
entirely a few years ago after research on its origins. Now I rarely
think about booze, except for the holidays, and that's one month out
of the year. I'm Bipolar. All alcohol does is mess with my meds, who
needs it?
I am sorry you're going through all this. Divorce sucks and AA breaks
up marriages all the time.
--
Act as if your wishes were already reality, believe as if dreams have
already come true. Sometimes faith is all.
-- yours truly
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| User: "bsquared" |
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02 May 2006 06:23:00 PM |
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AA doesn't break up marriages. The husband and wife were responsible
for getting married and they are responsible for the break up of the
marriage.
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| User: "Ogre" |
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02 May 2006 11:05:40 PM |
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bsquared wrote:
AA doesn't break up marriages. The husband and wife were responsible
for getting married and they are responsible for the break up of the
marriage.
AA members advised my wife to ignore me and her daughter and concentrate
only on her sobriety. I accepted the "30 meetings in 30 days" the first
month. After the third month of her going almost every single night, I
expressed my unhappiness with the situation. Her AA buddies then
advised her to divorce me. Our marital difficulties could have been
overcome, but not when the only people my wife listened to constantly
told her to end it.
A person in recovery is very vulnerable to suggestion. That
vulnerability was exploited to destroy my family.
We may not have been able to fix our marriage without the interference
of those AA assholes, but they guaranteed its failure.
--
Ogre
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| User: "%" |
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02 May 2006 11:14:21 PM |
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"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
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bsquared wrote:
AA doesn't break up marriages. The husband and wife were responsible
for getting married and they are responsible for the break up of the
marriage.
AA members advised my wife to ignore me and her daughter and concentrate
only on her sobriety. I accepted the "30 meetings in 30 days" the first
month. After the third month of her going almost every single night, I
expressed my unhappiness with the situation. Her AA buddies then
advised her to divorce me. Our marital difficulties could have been
overcome, but not when the only people my wife listened to constantly
told her to end it.
A person in recovery is very vulnerable to suggestion. That
vulnerability was exploited to destroy my family.
We may not have been able to fix our marriage without the interference
of those AA assholes, but they guaranteed its failure.
--
Ogre
oh gezzz , get the fk over it , ' Dood "
broads are a billion a bundle ,
go get a na thern
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| User: "Ogre" |
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03 May 2006 01:45:52 AM |
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% wrote:
oh gezzz , get the fk over it , ' Dood "
broads are a billion a bundle ,
go get a na thern
Bite me, troll.
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| User: "" |
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03 May 2006 09:32:35 AM |
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On Tue, 2 May 2006 21:14:21 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
->oh gezzz , get the fk over it , ' Dood "
->broads are a billion a bundle ,
->go get a na thern
Stop it, Dave. He loved his wife and daughter.
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| User: "%" |
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03 May 2006 10:27:00 AM |
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"notchimera" <dont@bother.com> wrote in message
news:u9fh529tnkduicv23jpfir4euubnussvls@4ax.com...
On Tue, 2 May 2006 21:14:21 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
->oh gezzz , get the fk over it , ' Dood "
->broads are a billion a bundle ,
->go get a na thern
Stop it, Dave. He loved his wife and daughter.
i loved every women i ever lived with ,
and some i didn't live with ,
i'm well versed in what he's going through ,
and the best way to get over it is ,
to move on and get another one and fall in love again ,
that's why we can love
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| User: "" |
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03 May 2006 11:28:49 AM |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 08:27:00 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
->i loved every women i ever lived with ,
->and some i didn't live with ,
->i'm well versed in what he's going through ,
->and the best way to get over it is ,
->to move on and get another one and fall in love again ,
->that's why we can love
OK, that makes sense. But it seems Ogre is still hurting and not ready
to move on yet. I hope he finds a new love someday.
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| User: "%" |
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03 May 2006 11:33:38 AM |
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"notchimera" <dont@bother.com> wrote in message
news:l1mh52d2vf4rpo9989g72prg1uion46bvc@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 May 2006 08:27:00 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
->i loved every women i ever lived with ,
->and some i didn't live with ,
->i'm well versed in what he's going through ,
->and the best way to get over it is ,
->to move on and get another one and fall in love again ,
->that's why we can love
OK, that makes sense. But it seems Ogre is still hurting and not ready
to move on yet. I hope he finds a new love someday.
i agree , which is why i'm suggesting he move on a soon as possible ,
so that when he does he will loo back and say ,
you know , that % sure is a ***** ,
and kind'a play's hard ball , but damn if he wasn't right
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| User: "Ogre" |
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03 May 2006 07:16:15 PM |
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notchimera wrote:
On Tue, 2 May 2006 21:14:21 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
->oh gezzz , get the fk over it , ' Dood "
->broads are a billion a bundle ,
->go get a na thern
Stop it, Dave. He loved his wife and daughter.
Not "loved" in the past tense. Still love.
--
Ogre
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| User: "%" |
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03 May 2006 07:21:59 PM |
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"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
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notchimera wrote:
On Tue, 2 May 2006 21:14:21 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
->oh gezzz , get the fk over it , ' Dood "
->broads are a billion a bundle ,
->go get a na thern
Stop it, Dave. He loved his wife and daughter.
Not "loved" in the past tense. Still love.
--
Ogre
well , you're screwed , enjoy what you have now then ,
you don't want to change any of it ,
you wanna sit in old ***** , ok , enjoy
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| User: "Ogre" |
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02 May 2006 05:55:09 PM |
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notchimera wrote:
AA _is_ a religious cult. There are other methods of maintaining
sobriety, but few are espoused by treatment centers because they're
led by AA types. Moderation Management espouses realistic options for
controlled drinking, personal responsibility and leads to a greater
chance of success:
http://moderation.org
The AA attitude about alternative methods is stupid. If you quit
drinking without the help of AA, you are still a drunk. If you are
member of AA and get drunk every weekend, you are in recovery.
--
Ogre
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| User: "%" |
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02 May 2006 05:59:02 PM |
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"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125foqegt0v36c6@corp.supernews.com...
notchimera wrote:
AA _is_ a religious cult. There are other methods of maintaining
sobriety, but few are espoused by treatment centers because they're
led by AA types. Moderation Management espouses realistic options for
controlled drinking, personal responsibility and leads to a greater
chance of success:
http://moderation.org
The AA attitude about alternative methods is stupid. If you quit
drinking without the help of AA, you are still a drunk. If you are
member of AA and get drunk every weekend, you are in recovery.
--
Ogre
the part about AA that i don't like is ,
they believe if you drink at all you're an alcoholic
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| User: "Bacon" |
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02 May 2006 07:59:04 PM |
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On Tue, 2 May 2006 15:59:02 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125foqegt0v36c6@corp.supernews.com...
notchimera wrote:
AA _is_ a religious cult. There are other methods of maintaining
sobriety, but few are espoused by treatment centers because they're
led by AA types. Moderation Management espouses realistic options for
controlled drinking, personal responsibility and leads to a greater
chance of success:
http://moderation.org
The AA attitude about alternative methods is stupid. If you quit
drinking without the help of AA, you are still a drunk. If you are
member of AA and get drunk every weekend, you are in recovery.
--
Ogre
the part about AA that i don't like is ,
they believe if you drink at all you're an alcoholic
I found AA dated, boring and ineffective. Now, back to my personal
inventory.
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| User: "%" |
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02 May 2006 08:03:01 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:610g52980bf81aqdb7cndmjoc9sgu0rg0g@4ax.com...
On Tue, 2 May 2006 15:59:02 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125foqegt0v36c6@corp.supernews.com...
notchimera wrote:
AA _is_ a religious cult. There are other methods of maintaining
sobriety, but few are espoused by treatment centers because they're
led by AA types. Moderation Management espouses realistic options for
controlled drinking, personal responsibility and leads to a greater
chance of success:
http://moderation.org
The AA attitude about alternative methods is stupid. If you quit
drinking without the help of AA, you are still a drunk. If you are
member of AA and get drunk every weekend, you are in recovery.
--
Ogre
the part about AA that i don't like is ,
they believe if you drink at all you're an alcoholic
I found AA dated, boring and ineffective. Now, back to my personal
inventory.
i just didn't like how , wherever i went ,
the person with the longest sobriety time ,
was always right
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| User: "Bacon" |
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01 May 2006 07:49:12 PM |
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 08:46:44 -0700, Ogre <ogre@evilstepfather.org>
wrote:
Violet wrote:
Ogre wrote:
One good night of drinking does not an alcoholic make.
I hope I have enough vodka in me to pass out, because I hurt too much
too think.
Sorry, I realised after I'd posted that I was wrong but I'd drunk too
much red wine by then to post again. My ex was an alcoholic and even
though he was v. hurtful to me, I feel sorry for the hell he seems to
be in. :-/
Take care, look after yourself & I hope you feel better soon. :-)
Violet
I didn't drink enough last night. I woke up at 6:30am. I also tried
calling a therapist yesterday when I was having my break-down. Since it
was Sunday I could only get her voicemail. I did leave a message.
My wife started going to AA eight months ago at my urging. She's been
sober since. Previously, she used drinking to escape responsibility.
AA replaced drinking. She was never home. She would never spend any
time with me or her daughter. So I was left to try to keep her daughter
(only 15 years old) from drinking and doing drugs. Except my wife
didn't want me to do anything. She would quote AA slogans, "You have to
let her hit rock bottom and want help before you can help." Because
her daughter is bipolar, there is no rock bottom. I simply could not
stand by and watch a child that I loved destroy her life.
My wife's obsession with AA was like a religious cult. Making your
sobriety your primary goal should not mean excluding your husband and
your daughter from your life. But that's what happened. Her AA buddies
urged her on in this thinking.
I've tried calling my wife at her work to ask her how she wants to
handle things. I want to ask her if we can sit down like adults and
work out the details in a relatively friendly manner, or are we going to
have an ugly battle with attorneys. She isn't picking up, so it's
possible she isn't going to work today. I wouldn't be surprised if, on
the urging of her AA friends, she tried to get a court order to keep me
away from my home. The last time I spoke to her (Saturday), she alluded
to doing something like that. She would have to lie, though, and make
up some story about being threatened. I've never threatened her in my
life. I've never raised an angry hand at her. I've never even
considered doing something like that.
Without her side of the story this is meaningless...
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| User: "James" |
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03 May 2006 12:05:58 AM |
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Ogre:
I am sorry that your marriage and your step-daughter have had so much
trouble.
I can sympathize, which won't help you much I am afraid.
I was diagnosed by the Navy after seventeen years of service first with
epilepsy, then with manic-depression (that has changed since the VA got me).
When I lost my job in the service, because it takes so long for the military
to process disability, my pay dropped dramatically to a Social Security
check, which was then taken from me because I was elligible for military
disability!
My wife, meantime, could not bear the thought of a mentally "defective"
husband, and wouldn't even go as far as helping me make the house "epilepsy
safe" (large open areas, no sharp protruding objects, etc.) The final straw
was her application for divorce based on epilepsy and bipolar disorder (you
can apply for divorce in Florida for mental handicaps). I foolishly
believed she would come around and challenged the divorce, based primarily
on the notion I loved her, I did not wish to divorce her.
Thousands of dollars on both sides and years later, I came to the
realization it wasn't going to happen. I directed my lawyer to come to a
settlement, and lost the right to see my son. He was six when the case
started and I lost access, she is allowing him to see me for the first time
in July, now he is seventeen.
She just reminded me in an E-mail to-day that yesterday was the twenty-first
anniversary of our meeting. I have not gotten over it, I do not see me ever
being with another, female or male, again. She was who I wanted, and want
still. I do hope that you do not get stuck in the rut I have placed myself
in . . .
[[[ hugs ]]]
Blessed be,
James
"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125b172spo8hkfe@corp.supernews.com...
After the first month of what was to be a three month temporary
separation, my wife of seven years made it clear that she had no
intentions of a reconciliation. She is dumping me. It was a long and
painful road to this point. I'll give you the shortened version.
When the tech industry took a nose dive, I found myself out of work and we
were suddenly surviving on her income and what little I was getting from
contract jobs, which were few and far between. I had been trying to get
any kind of work, but I guess fast food joints would take one look at my
work history and decide I was too over qualified to bag fries. To make
ends meet I cashed in first some stock options I still had, then my 401k
investment.
My wife felt I hadn't been trying hard enough to find work. At first that
wasn't true. I was trying my best. Eventually I started getting
depressed, I didn't try as hard. It took me two years to find a permanent
job in the tech industry, and the pay was *****, but it was work. We still
had money problems and the strain of that following my long period out of
work made our marriage very shaky.
Just over six months ago I landed a great job with great pay and benefits.
Normally, we would have been able to repair our relationship, but another
problem reared its ugly head.
My wife's teenage daughter, my step-daughter, had started getting into
drugs and alcohol. It started out slowly, but it soon grew to be
completely out of control. My wife didn't seem capable of intervening,
and became angry whenever I tried to do something. At times, my wife was
an active enabler. For example, I had discovered that my daughter's plans
for the evening was a lie, she had been arranging a drinking party (who
was bringing the vodka, etc). Just before she was leaving for the party,
I presented the evidence to my wife. She let her daughter go, anyway.
Her daughter didn't come home until the next afternoon because she had
passed out drunk. We argued about how to deal with her daughter all the
time. It soon consumed our daily lives. Our daughter was first diagnosed
with depression. Later, the diagnosis was modified to bipolarism. The
manic stages were quite obvious when you knew what to look for. My wife
rejected this diagnosis. So we argued about her treatment.
During the past month when I was living in a boarding house as part of our
temporary separation, my step-daughter's behavior become ten times worse
and my wife didn't seem to spend any time around her daughter. I was very
close to calling Child Protective Services.
After struggling with this problem for over a year, early last week my
step-daughter was escorted to an out of state treatment facility. My wife
had finally made that difficult decision and had her daughter admitted.
We could finally have a moment to catch our breath and work on our
relationship. That's when my wife decides the temporary separation would
become permanent.
I had actually been expecting this for the past week, so I had braced
myself. I thought I would be ok. Maybe a little sad, but I knew this was
coming, so no problem, right?
Throughout the day I kept having anxiety attacks. I shook them off and
kept telling myself I was just fine. Sure I was.
Early this evening I completely lost it. It started out as another
anxiety attack, except I ended up curled up on the floor crying like a
baby for an hour. I don't know where my wife is and I don't know how to
contact her. And even if I did, she probably wouldn't talk to me. And
all I could think of while curled up on the ground like a pitiful pile of
garbage was, "what life do I have without my wife?" I have no answer.
So I ran out and bought a bottle of vodka. I'm not really a drinker, so
it shouldn't take much. I plan to get so drunk that I won't remember why
I got drunk. I plan to get so drunk that I'll pass out instead of having
to suffer through another night of lying in bed and going over every
fucking what-if and regret from the past few years. At some in-between
state of drunkedness, maybe I'll do something stupid.
My wife was not just my spouse. She _was_ my best friend and my
companion. I would do anything in the world to save my marriage, but it's
beyond me. So all I can do is get drunk, pass out, and deal with tomorrow
when I wake up.
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Ogre
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03 May 2006 01:52:15 AM |
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James wrote:
She was who I wanted, and want
still. I do hope that you do not get stuck in the rut I have placed myself
in . . .
That is exactly what I fear. I had dated numerous women before meeting
my wife. I even thought I fell in love a few time. In reality, I
didn't know what love was until I met my wife. Love is a dangerous
thing. Unconditional love is even worse. Even though I feel my wife
has wronged me in many ways, I don't care, I'd take her back in a second
because I love her. I know the anger I feel for her right now is a
momentary thing. I'll get over the anger and I'll still love her. I
wish it was the other way around, then I wouldn't be so messed up.
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Ogre
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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30 Apr 2006 11:25:57 PM |
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hi man. I feel bad for you. can't imagine how hurt you must be. if i
was in your situation i might end up losing my life being that im a weak
person.
but that's NOT what i want you to do. you will eventually go on, in your
own time. even if you have to drink for awhile. which won't help you, but i
understand
you needing SOMETHING to numb the pain. i would never be the one to tell
you to just get over it and move on, just like that. it usually does not
work that way. the pain isnt going to go away, or even lessen. but you will
get used to it. i really feel for you man. hope things get easier dispite
the pain.
"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125b172spo8hkfe@corp.supernews.com...
After the first month of what was to be a three month temporary
separation, my wife of seven years made it clear that she had no
intentions of a reconciliation. She is dumping me. It was a long and
painful road to this point. I'll give you the shortened version.
When the tech industry took a nose dive, I found myself out of work and
we were suddenly surviving on her income and what little I was getting
from contract jobs, which were few and far between. I had been trying
to get any kind of work, but I guess fast food joints would take one
look at my work history and decide I was too over qualified to bag
fries. To make ends meet I cashed in first some stock options I still
had, then my 401k investment.
My wife felt I hadn't been trying hard enough to find work. At first
that wasn't true. I was trying my best. Eventually I started getting
depressed, I didn't try as hard. It took me two years to find a
permanent job in the tech industry, and the pay was *****, but it was
work. We still had money problems and the strain of that following my
long period out of work made our marriage very shaky.
Just over six months ago I landed a great job with great pay and
benefits. Normally, we would have been able to repair our relationship,
but another problem reared its ugly head.
My wife's teenage daughter, my step-daughter, had started getting into
drugs and alcohol. It started out slowly, but it soon grew to be
completely out of control. My wife didn't seem capable of intervening,
and became angry whenever I tried to do something. At times, my wife
was an active enabler. For example, I had discovered that my daughter's
plans for the evening was a lie, she had been arranging a drinking party
(who was bringing the vodka, etc). Just before she was leaving for the
party, I presented the evidence to my wife. She let her daughter go,
anyway. Her daughter didn't come home until the next afternoon because
she had passed out drunk. We argued about how to deal with her daughter
all the time. It soon consumed our daily lives. Our daughter was first
diagnosed with depression. Later, the diagnosis was modified to
bipolarism. The manic stages were quite obvious when you knew what to
look for. My wife rejected this diagnosis. So we argued about her
treatment.
During the past month when I was living in a boarding house as part of
our temporary separation, my step-daughter's behavior become ten times
worse and my wife didn't seem to spend any time around her daughter. I
was very close to calling Child Protective Services.
After struggling with this problem for over a year, early last week my
step-daughter was escorted to an out of state treatment facility. My
wife had finally made that difficult decision and had her daughter
admitted. We could finally have a moment to catch our breath and work
on our relationship. That's when my wife decides the temporary
separation would become permanent.
I had actually been expecting this for the past week, so I had braced
myself. I thought I would be ok. Maybe a little sad, but I knew this
was coming, so no problem, right?
Throughout the day I kept having anxiety attacks. I shook them off and
kept telling myself I was just fine. Sure I was.
Early this evening I completely lost it. It started out as another
anxiety attack, except I ended up curled up on the floor crying like a
baby for an hour. I don't know where my wife is and I don't know how to
contact her. And even if I did, she probably wouldn't talk to me. And
all I could think of while curled up on the ground like a pitiful pile
of garbage was, "what life do I have without my wife?" I have no answer.
So I ran out and bought a bottle of vodka. I'm not really a drinker, so
it shouldn't take much. I plan to get so drunk that I won't remember
why I got drunk. I plan to get so drunk that I'll pass out instead of
having to suffer through another night of lying in bed and going over
every fucking what-if and regret from the past few years. At some
in-between state of drunkedness, maybe I'll do something stupid.
My wife was not just my spouse. She _was_ my best friend and my
companion. I would do anything in the world to save my marriage, but
it's beyond me. So all I can do is get drunk, pass out, and deal with
tomorrow when I wake up.
--
Ogre
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| User: "Ogre" |
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| Title: Re: marriage is gone |
01 May 2006 10:53:34 AM |
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aaron from suburbia wrote:
hi man. I feel bad for you. can't imagine how hurt you must be. if i
was in your situation i might end up losing my life being that im a weak
person.
but that's NOT what i want you to do. you will eventually go on, in your
own time. even if you have to drink for awhile. which won't help you, but i
understand
you needing SOMETHING to numb the pain. i would never be the one to tell
you to just get over it and move on, just like that. it usually does not
work that way. the pain isnt going to go away, or even lessen. but you will
get used to it. i really feel for you man. hope things get easier dispite
the pain.
I drank. I passed out. I woke up too early. And the pain is back. In
times like this, you lean on your best friend. My wife was my best
friend. I have other friends, but none are close enough for that kind
of support.
I feel like ***** and I started crying again. Damn it. Why can't I be
stronger? Why am I turning into a wuss?
--
Ogre
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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| Title: Re: marriage is gone |
01 May 2006 02:15:11 PM |
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"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125cbnvnbvqskd6@corp.supernews.com...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
hi man. I feel bad for you. can't imagine how hurt you must be. if
i
was in your situation i might end up losing my life being that im a
weak
person.
but that's NOT what i want you to do. you will eventually go on, in
your
own time. even if you have to drink for awhile. which won't help you,
but i
understand
you needing SOMETHING to numb the pain. i would never be the one to
tell
you to just get over it and move on, just like that. it usually does not
work that way. the pain isnt going to go away, or even lessen. but you
will
get used to it. i really feel for you man. hope things get easier
dispite
the pain.
I drank. I passed out. I woke up too early. And the pain is back. In
times like this, you lean on your best friend. My wife was my best
friend. I have other friends, but none are close enough for that kind
of support.
I feel like ***** and I started crying again. Damn it. Why can't I be
stronger? Why am I turning into a wuss?
--
Ogre
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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| Title: Re: marriage is gone |
01 May 2006 02:19:13 PM |
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"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125cbnvnbvqskd6@corp.supernews.com...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
hi man. I feel bad for you. can't imagine how hurt you must be. if
i
was in your situation i might end up losing my life being that im a
weak
person.
but that's NOT what i want you to do. you will eventually go on, in
your
own time. even if you have to drink for awhile. which won't help you,
but i
understand
you needing SOMETHING to numb the pain. i would never be the one to
tell
you to just get over it and move on, just like that. it usually does not
work that way. the pain isnt going to go away, or even lessen. but you
will
get used to it. i really feel for you man. hope things get easier
dispite
the pain.
I drank. I passed out. I woke up too early. And the pain is back. In
times like this, you lean on your best friend. My wife was my best
friend. I have other friends, but none are close enough for that kind
of support.
I feel like ***** and I started crying again. Damn it. Why can't I be
stronger? Why am I turning into a wuss?
--
Ogre
Ogre:
I'm sorry you're hurting after waking up early - lean on whoever you can
for now.
I felt like ***** for about 20 min this afternoon, started crying myself for
totally different reasons. but couldn't
cry much. anyway, you're NOT a wuss. okay?
I ask myself that question all the time -- "why the ***** can't I be tougher,
stronger, not so hurt and weak"
sorry i dont got all the words to help you ---- hold in there and KEEP
POSTING.
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: marriage is gone |
01 May 2006 02:22:27 PM |
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Rat5g.71603$H71.7576@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
"Ogre" <ogre@evilstepfather.org> wrote in message
news:125cbnvnbvqskd6@corp.supernews.com...
aaron from suburbia wrote:
hi man. I feel bad for you. can't imagine how hurt you must be.
if
i
was in your situation i might end up losing my life being that im a
weak
person.
but that's NOT what i want you to do. you will eventually go on, in
your
own time. even if you have to drink for awhile. which won't help you,
but i
understand
you needing SOMETHING to numb the pain. i would never be the one to
tell
you to just get over it and move on, just like that. it usually does
not
work that way. the pain isnt going to go away, or even lessen. but you
will
get used to it. i really feel for you man. hope things get easier
dispite
the pain.
I drank. I passed out. I woke up too early. And the pain is back. In
times like this, you lean on your best friend. My wife was my best
friend. I have other friends, but none are close enough for that kind
of support.
I feel like ***** and I started crying again. Damn it. Why can't I be
stronger? Why am I turning into a wuss?
--
Ogre
Ogre:
I'm sorry you're hurting after waking up early - lean on whoever you
can
for now.
I felt like ***** for about 20 min this afternoon, started crying myself
for
totally different reasons. but couldn't
cry much. anyway, you're NOT a wuss. okay?
I ask myself that question all the time -- "why the ***** can't I be
tougher,
stronger, not so hurt and weak"
sorry i dont got all the words to help you ---- hold in there and KEEP
POSTING.
lol
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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| Title: Re: marriage is gone |
02 May 2006 04:33:41 AM |
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2qqdnZvEu9tzwsvZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
lol
lol?
LOL? ha!
liberate your mind motherf__ker, you're so narrow-minded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzhlN3gEEA
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