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"alvintchase" |
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05 Dec 2003 10:04:00 AM |
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Maybe I should talk about Bush less often |
Maybe I should talk about Bush less often on ASD.On one hand I think
it's very important for alot of people to speak out against Bush and
his policies.Susan Sontag has said that a culture that doesn't have an
opposition becomes lobotomized,which I think is true.To me there is
nothing more patriotic and a sign of a strong democracy then
critisizing the goverment.(which makes it puzzling when certain people
try to discourage dissent,it's also strange how these same people
don't mind critisizng certain democrats.)However maybe ASD isn't the
best place to do it.(at least not ALL the time.)Unforunatly,as much as
I'd love for everyone to vote for a democrat next year,there will
sadly always be some people who will vote for Bush.I guess the main
thing for democrats like me to do is to continue to volunteer for
democratic campaigns...
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| User: "Used2Be" |
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05 Dec 2003 10:35:31 AM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1029ba7.0312050804.864e26c@posting.google.com...
Maybe I should talk about Bush less often on ASD
Yes, especially since it's a newsgroup designed for *depression*!
..On one hand I think
it's very important for alot of people to speak out against Bush and
his policies.
And I believe just as strongly that it's important to speak out against
liberals and their left wing agendas. But I am tactful about where I do
such things. For example, I do not bring up the subject in Al-Anon, or
group therapy or with my therapist/doctor. It would not be appropriate to
discuss politics in those settings. I compare ASD to that type of setting,
and so it does indeed feel inappropriate to me for one to try and impose
their political beliefs and push their own agendas on people in a depression
newsgroup. I realize everyone has the right to say what they want, but that
doesn't mean it's tactful or polite or appropriate. The point of this group
is to encourage folks with depression. To talk about what works for each of
us and to provide support to those who are suffering. Discussing politics
does none of that. Zero. Nada.
Susan Sontag has said that a culture that doesn't have an
opposition becomes lobotomized,which I think is true.To me there is
nothing more patriotic and a sign of a strong democracy then
critisizing the goverment.(which makes it puzzling when certain people
try to discourage dissent,it's also strange how these same people
don't mind critisizng certain democrats.)
I agree totally that a culture should encourage democracy and should
definitely criticize the government when they disagree with it! But at the
right time and in the right place. Do you go to shopping malls and just
start spouting off all of your political beliefs? Or at a football game?
You certainly COULD do that, but it isn't exactly the right atmosphere for
sharing our political opinions. And you certainly wouldn't have a very
supportive audience if you chose to do that.
However maybe ASD isn't the
best place to do it.(at least not ALL the time.)
I'd say it's not the best place to do it ANY time, but that's just my
opinion. Since this is a depression newsgroup and not a political one.
Furthermore, there are certainly plenty of political newsgroups where you
can post your beliefs, and I'm sure as well that there are plenty of local
places where you could go that would be appropriate places to have lively
political debates. ASD isn't the only access you have to other people so I
don't think you have to worry about us becoming a lobotomized culture simply
because we don't discuss politics here.
Also, just because our topics are normally limited to depression here does
not mean that we are not patriotic people. What does depression have to do
with patriotism anyway?
Unforunatly,as much as
I'd love for everyone to vote for a democrat next year,there will
sadly always be some people who will vote for Bush.
Unfortunately, as much as I'd love for everyone to vote for Bush next year,
there will sadly always be some people who will vote for a Democrat.
It's a two way street Alvin. If you are so desperate to reach Republicans,
then go to Republican newsgroups and talk to them! Your audience there
would certainly be more up for a good debate than the one you have here in
ASD. And most of the folks here aren't even American, Alvin. They don't
give a darn whether we vote for a Republican, Democrat or a seriel killer!
I'm just saying you need to consider whether or not your posts are
appropriate for your audience. If they aren't, then you need to shop for an
audience that IS appropriate.
Respectfully,
used2be
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| User: "Luna" |
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05 Dec 2003 10:42:52 AM |
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Used2Be wrote:
<snip>
Also, just because our topics are normally limited to depression here
does not mean that we are not patriotic people. What does depression
have to do with patriotism anyway?
They are?
There's talk about kittens, politics (by many people, not just Alvin),
computers, food, religion, Walmart <g>, chess, housecleaning, pets...
And politics has lots to do with depression for many people. It's not a
rigid topical newsgroup (though there are moderated ones if that's your
cup of tea), it's a meeting place with a common thread, and that thread
is depression, but that's only part of it. That's how I see asd,
personally.
If venting about politics is what Alvin wants to do, then it's what
Alvin gets to do. People don't have to like it, but it's kind of silly
to pick up that one topic as inappropriate when there are SO many off
topic posts here about such a huge variety of subjects.
Jean
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| User: "Used2Be" |
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05 Dec 2003 11:39:13 AM |
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"Luna" wrote
Used2Be wrote:
Also, just because our topics are normally limited to depression here
They are?
I said "normally."
There's talk about kittens, politics (by many people, not just Alvin),
computers, food, religion, Walmart <g>, chess, housecleaning, pets...
Yes, but are we pushing an agenda when we do that? Are we trying to get
everyone here to like kitties, computers, food, religion, Walmart, etc? Are
we trying to sway everyone to think the same way we think when we discuss
those things? If that is our goal, then maybe we need to question the
nature of our posts.
And politics has lots to do with depression for many people.
True. When I see someone desperately trying to force me to believe
something that they believe in, or who is trying to guilt trip or even rail
road me into changing my mind on my political beliefs, then I get depressed.
Especially in a depression newsgroup.
It's not a
rigid topical newsgroup (though there are moderated ones if that's your
cup of tea), it's a meeting place with a common thread, and that thread
is depression, but that's only part of it. That's how I see asd,
personally.
Again, I agree that we can speak about what ever we feel like speaking about
in here, but I think we cross over the line when our only purpose is an
intention to sway others to our way of thinking. Just like I said in my
earlier post, we don't go to shopping malls or support group meetings or
football games with the intentions of swaying people to vote for our chosen
candidate. Not that we can't do that there, but just that it's not
appropriate. That's how I see it.
Obviously, everyone here is free to disagree with me. Maybe it IS just me.
Maybe I am the only one who is offended when someone tries to push their
agenda off on me. Maybe I have interpreted what is and what is not
appropriate completely differently than most other people. Somehow I doubt
that, but then again, I've been wrong before. So if I am wrong on this and
everybody else thinks it's just peachy that Alvin is determined to turn this
into a political newsgroup, then so be it.
If venting about politics is what Alvin wants to do, then it's what
Alvin gets to do.
If he was only venting, that'd be one thing.
People don't have to like it, but it's kind of silly
to pick up that one topic as inappropriate when there are SO many off
topic posts here about such a huge variety of subjects.
It may seem silly to you, but it doesn't seem that way to me. What if Jamal
came in and tried to convince us all to become child molesters and
murderers? Would we say it was just his right to vent and rant? I think
Alvin crosses the line because his intentions are to sway us over to his way
of thinking. And he gets angry when we don't. That's all I'm saying. If
you think that is silly, then you certainly have a right to feel that way.
Just as I have a right to feel offended when someone is constantly
attempting to force me to think the same way they do.
Respectfully disagreeing,
u2b
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| User: "Luna" |
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05 Dec 2003 06:03:20 PM |
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Used2Be wrote:
<snip>
It may seem silly to you, but it doesn't seem that way to me. What
if Jamal came in and tried to convince us all to become child
molesters and murderers? Would we say it was just his right to vent
and rant? I think Alvin crosses the line because his intentions are
to sway us over to his way of thinking. And he gets angry when we
don't. That's all I'm saying. If you think that is silly, then you
certainly have a right to feel that way. Just as I have a right to
feel offended when someone is constantly attempting to force me to
think the same way they do.
I realize now it wasn't fair of me to characterize it as "silly". It's
not silly, and I have certain things that create a reaction in me that's
quite powerful (though politics isn't one of them). When these
discussions take place, I get mightily offended and want them to stop
(while compelled to keep reading, natch!).
Anyway since I read you got your sense of humour back (wow, that didn't
take long) I'll let it go, just wanted to say sorry for the "silly"
thing.
Jean
Respectfully disagreeing,
u2b
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| User: "Used2Be" |
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05 Dec 2003 07:33:53 PM |
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"Luna" nicely wrote
I realize now it wasn't fair of me to characterize it as "silly". It's
not silly, and I have certain things that create a reaction in me that's
quite powerful (though politics isn't one of them). When these
discussions take place, I get mightily offended and want them to stop
(while compelled to keep reading, natch!).
Yes, why IS that? Why do we keep reading offensive posts when it is only
succeeding in raising our blood pressure??
Anyway since I read you got your sense of humour back (wow, that didn't
take long)
The "many moods of Cindy." :-)
I'll let it go, just wanted to say sorry for the "silly" thing.
Not to worry. I was just testy this morning. Felt better after a nap and a
cup of joe.
Hugs,
u2b
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| User: "Patricia Walters" |
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06 Dec 2003 07:15:08 AM |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:33:53 GMT, "Used2Be" <used2be@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Luna" nicely wrote
I realize now it wasn't fair of me to characterize it as "silly". It's
not silly, and I have certain things that create a reaction in me that's
quite powerful (though politics isn't one of them). When these
discussions take place, I get mightily offended and want them to stop
(while compelled to keep reading, natch!).
Yes, why IS that? Why do we keep reading offensive posts when it is only
succeeding in raising our blood pressure??
As I read this, I realized I don't do this any more!
I remember wombn{?} making a comment a while ago about making changes
and not realizing one had done so until considerably after the change.
This is one of those changes for me...
--
Patricia
"Eat less and move more."
X-No-Archive: yes is in the headers
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| User: "wombn" |
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06 Dec 2003 03:03:53 PM |
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On 6 Dec 2003 07:15:08 -0600, Patricia Walters
<treeotter@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:33:53 GMT, "Used2Be" <used2be@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Luna" nicely wrote
I realize now it wasn't fair of me to characterize it as "silly". It's
not silly, and I have certain things that create a reaction in me that's
quite powerful (though politics isn't one of them). When these
discussions take place, I get mightily offended and want them to stop
(while compelled to keep reading, natch!).
Yes, why IS that? Why do we keep reading offensive posts when it is only
succeeding in raising our blood pressure??
As I read this, I realized I don't do this any more!
I remember wombn{?} making a comment a while ago about making changes
and not realizing one had done so until considerably after the change.
mmff? <raises head from nap>
This is one of those changes for me...
cool
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Luna" |
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06 Dec 2003 10:40:32 AM |
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Used2Be wrote:
"Luna" nicely wrote
I realize now it wasn't fair of me to characterize it as "silly".
It's not silly, and I have certain things that create a reaction in
me that's quite powerful (though politics isn't one of them). When
these discussions take place, I get mightily offended and want them
to stop (while compelled to keep reading, natch!).
Yes, why IS that? Why do we keep reading offensive posts when it is
only succeeding in raising our blood pressure??
I don't know! I have theories though, but they're just guesses.
Sometimes opposing views help us articulate our own, but that's not
really what's going on most of the time (for me). Maybe it's a bit of a
rush to get angry?
Anyway since I read you got your sense of humour back (wow, that
didn't take long)
The "many moods of Cindy." :-)
I'll let it go, just wanted to say sorry for the "silly" thing.
Not to worry. I was just testy this morning. Felt better after a
nap and a cup of joe.
Good. :)
Jean
Hugs,
u2b
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| User: "Janithor" |
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05 Dec 2003 01:30:44 PM |
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Luna wrote:
Used2Be wrote:
<snip>
Also, just because our topics are normally limited to depression here
does not mean that we are not patriotic people. What does depression
have to do with patriotism anyway?
They are?
There's talk about kittens, politics (by many people, not just Alvin),
computers, food, religion, Walmart <g>, chess, housecleaning, pets...
don't forget janitorial services and Adolph Hitler
And politics has lots to do with depression for many people. It's not a
rigid topical newsgroup (though there are moderated ones if that's your
cup of tea), it's a meeting place with a common thread, and that thread
is depression, but that's only part of it. That's how I see asd,
personally.
If venting about politics is what Alvin wants to do, then it's what
Alvin gets to do. People don't have to like it, but it's kind of silly
to pick up that one topic as inappropriate when there are SO many off
topic posts here about such a huge variety of subjects.
Agreed 100%.
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| User: "Naomi Darvell" |
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05 Dec 2003 11:00:12 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Used2Be wrote inter alia:
What does depression have to do
with patriotism anyway?
You know what, I feel as if depression (and other mental problems) and
political issues are very much intertwined, with a lot of people. I have no
idea whether this is true with Alvin; I'm thinking more of people I meet in
real life, where I can *see* what's happening. The cousin or brother-in-law who
can be counted on to be combative about politics at everyone's wedding or New
Year's Eve party, or by somebody's hospital bed. The guys that are obsessed
with one issue which seems to be symbolic to them. The woman whose "feminism"
really seems to be about a lot of hurt at the way men have treated her. When
these people go on, it seems to me that they're translating personal pain into
politics. I'm not immune to it either; I've done it myself a number of times.
A lot of times it does end up not being very appropriate. I have one guy that I
would love to stop in the middle of yet another rant that's monopolizing a
dinner party conversation and say, "What is it that you're really trying to
talk about here?" Because it really does seem like he's trying to get some
message across that's not about his politics, but more about his personal
distress, but he's too much of a tough guy to talk about that openly.
Again, I'm not saying this is true about Alvin, but I do think there are
reasons why there's so much political talk here, and that for some people it is
a kind of emotional bloodletting.
Naomi D.
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| User: "Charles" |
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05 Dec 2003 11:42:40 PM |
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On 5 Dec 2003 08:04:00 -0800, (alvintchase)
wrote:
Maybe I should talk about Bush less often on ASD.On one hand I think
it's very important for alot of people to speak out against Bush and
his policies.Susan Sontag has said that a culture that doesn't have an
opposition becomes lobotomized,which I think is true.To me there is
nothing more patriotic and a sign of a strong democracy then
critisizing the goverment.(which makes it puzzling when certain people
try to discourage dissent,it's also strange how these same people
don't mind critisizng certain democrats.)However maybe ASD isn't the
best place to do it.(at least not ALL the time.)Unforunatly,as much as
I'd love for everyone to vote for a democrat next year,there will
sadly always be some people who will vote for Bush.I guess the main
thing for democrats like me to do is to continue to volunteer for
democratic campaigns...
What I get from your posts:
"I hate Bush."
Okay, fine, lots of people do.
"If people were as smart as me, they would see the world as I do."
Here I have a problem. This may not be the message you wish to
convey, but it is the message I have received.
This may be way off the mark, but that is what I get.
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-does not play well with others
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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06 Dec 2003 03:37:46 PM |
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Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net> wrote in message news:<ppq2tvgfu569u64otmgtbaaj76plnsahff@4ax.com>...
What I get from your posts:
"I hate Bush."
Okay, fine, lots of people do.
"If people were as smart as me, they would see the world as I do."
Here I have a problem. This may not be the message you wish to
convey, but it is the message I have received.
This may be way off the mark, but that is what I get.
I don't think I looked at it as a matter of intelligence
really...What was hard for me to understand was why people who seem
very warm and caring and compassionate in many ways would vote for a
republican.To me It's about the heart-that's what's most important,I
think.
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| User: "Used2Be" |
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06 Dec 2003 08:52:22 PM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1029ba7.0312061337.52562e00@posting.google.com...
Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net> wrote in message
news:<ppq2tvgfu569u64otmgtbaaj76plnsahff@4ax.com>...
What I get from your posts:
"I hate Bush."
Okay, fine, lots of people do.
"If people were as smart as me, they would see the world as I do."
Here I have a problem. This may not be the message you wish to
convey, but it is the message I have received.
This may be way off the mark, but that is what I get.
I don't think I looked at it as a matter of intelligence
really...What was hard for me to understand was why people who seem
very warm and caring and compassionate in many ways would vote for a
republican.To me It's about the heart-that's what's most important,I
think.
That's what makes me angry, Alvin. You just characterized republicans as
cold, uncaring and heartless. That is so untrue and it's those types of
biased comments that ***** me off so badly. Why can't you just discuss your
beliefs (since you feel so inclined so often) instead of spending so much
time castrating those you oppose? I never hear intelligent dialogue about
what is so good about the democrats or why I should vote for them. All I
hear from you is, "I don't understand how come everyone else doesn't hate
Bush as much as me, and I don't understand how you cold heartless selfish
b#stard Republicans can look yourselves in the mirror each day." Doesn't
exactly win alot of folks over to your point of view.
Oh well. I refuse to get mad all over again.
u2b
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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08 Dec 2003 06:24:57 PM |
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"Used2Be" <cindyb@NOTREALaustin.rr.com> wrote in message
Oh well. I refuse to get mad all over again.
u2b
good,I'm happy to hear that.You have been very gracious and polite
towards me these last couple weeks.I really appreciate it.I'm sorry if
I upset you...
sinserely,
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| User: "Don Quixote" |
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06 Dec 2003 11:23:52 PM |
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Used2Be might have said:
That's what makes me angry, Alvin. You just characterized republicans as
cold, uncaring and heartless. That is so untrue and it's those types of
biased comments that ***** me off so badly. Why can't you just discuss your
beliefs (since you feel so inclined so often) instead of spending so much
time castrating those you oppose? I never hear intelligent dialogue about
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'castigate', please!
<g>
(ow!)
Don 'opposition' Q.
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| User: "Used2Be" |
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07 Dec 2003 02:50:25 PM |
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"Don Quixote" <spambait@whitehouse.gov.invalid> wrote in message
news:e8e5tvghd70ou8hqsq7pub2hm48p2ct8fm@fishead.news.meowkitty.com...
Used2Be might have said:
That's what makes me angry, Alvin. You just characterized republicans as
cold, uncaring and heartless. That is so untrue and it's those types of
biased comments that ***** me off so badly. Why can't you just discuss
your
beliefs (since you feel so inclined so often) instead of spending so much
time castrating those you oppose? I never hear intelligent dialogue
about
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'castigate', please!
<g>
(ow!)
Don 'opposition' Q.
well, I meant castrate as in "to deprive of virility or spirit; emasculate;"
but if you find castigate less offensive <BG>, then I'll go with that. It's
probably a better word for what I was trying to say anyway.
:-D
u2b
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| User: "Deminimii" |
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06 Dec 2003 10:42:40 PM |
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Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: (alvintchase)
Date: 12/6/2003 1:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <c1029ba7.0312061337.52562e00@posting.google.com>
Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net> wrote in message
news:<ppq2tvgfu569u64otmgtbaaj76plnsahff@4ax.com>...
What I get from your posts:
"I hate Bush."
Okay, fine, lots of people do.
"If people were as smart as me, they would see the world as I do."
Here I have a problem. This may not be the message you wish to
convey, but it is the message I have received.
This may be way off the mark, but that is what I get.
I don't think I looked at it as a matter of intelligence
really...What was hard for me to understand was why people who seem
very warm and caring and compassionate in many ways would vote for a
republican.To me It's about the heart-that's what's most important,I
The people I know who you would label republican pretty much went into
professions where they felt they could make a difference. This meant a lot of
hard work and sacrifice. They now give back to the community via charity and
volunteering. They have set up programs reaching out to certain less advantage
segments of the community. They finance scholarships and are mentors. They
give free medical care and do free legal work. They have performed thousands of
hours of volunteer work.
So, alvin, what have you ever done to help anybody? What the hell is so special
about "your" heart? Everybody else seems to do all the hard work, make all the
sacrifices, and you don't do *****. Yet, you want all the credit. Why? Because
you have labeled yourself warm/caring/compasionate? See something wrong with
this picture?
You took that clinton "I feel your pain" ***** way too seriously. Go to school.
Study your ***** off to learn to do something useful. Then go do it. But this
daily whining about how superior you are is *****. And obsessive, in that
you post the same crap daily, if not several times a day.
Actually, now that I think about it, applying your definition of republican,
ie, someone who never does anything for anyone else and only thinks of himself,
-- that's you, alvin. Alvin, *you* are a Repulican. Welcome to the Grand Ole'
Party!
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| User: "Pinwheel" |
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07 Dec 2003 10:00:08 AM |
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Deminimii wrote:
Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: (alvintchase)
Date: 12/6/2003 1:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <c1029ba7.0312061337.52562e00@posting.google.com>
Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net> wrote in message
news:<ppq2tvgfu569u64otmgtbaaj76plnsahff@4ax.com>...
What I get from your posts:
"I hate Bush."
Okay, fine, lots of people do.
"If people were as smart as me, they would see the world as I do."
Here I have a problem. This may not be the message you wish to
convey, but it is the message I have received.
This may be way off the mark, but that is what I get.
I don't think I looked at it as a matter of intelligence
really...What was hard for me to understand was why people who seem
very warm and caring and compassionate in many ways would vote for a
republican.To me It's about the heart-that's what's most important,I
The people I know who you would label republican pretty much went into
professions where they felt they could make a difference. This meant a lot of
hard work and sacrifice. They now give back to the community via charity and
volunteering. They have set up programs reaching out to certain less advantage
segments of the community. They finance scholarships and are mentors. They
give free medical care and do free legal work. They have performed thousands of
hours of volunteer work.
So, alvin, what have you ever done to help anybody? What the hell is so special
about "your" heart? Everybody else seems to do all the hard work, make all the
sacrifices, and you don't do *****. Yet, you want all the credit. Why? Because
you have labeled yourself warm/caring/compasionate? See something wrong with
this picture?
You took that clinton "I feel your pain" ***** way too seriously. Go to school.
Study your ***** off to learn to do something useful. Then go do it. But this
daily whining about how superior you are is *****. And obsessive, in that
you post the same crap daily, if not several times a day.
Actually, now that I think about it, applying your definition of republican,
ie, someone who never does anything for anyone else and only thinks of himself,
-- that's you, alvin. Alvin, *you* are a Repulican. Welcome to the Grand Ole'
Party!
If you can take your foot off Alvin's neck for a moment, I want to take
issue with some things here. Nothing Alvin has ever written has broken
any bones or cost anyone anything. And I've seen him reach out to
others across so-called ideological lines. Alvin knows compassion.
I'll grant that Alvin makes himself an easy target and he's not often
well-equipped to defend his position. His posts can be agonizingly wordy
at times and many of his posts would earn a "rolleyes" from me. But
apart from that, he's pretty much harmless. In a contest with other
Republican/Bush-bashers on this ng, he would be a runner-up at best. He
hasn't earned the venom or the labels. It's a waste of a teachable
moment, and the sad irony is that Alvin is probably one of those rare
people I know of who would be totally open to such a moment. Witness the
subject line.
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Pinwheel *****
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07 Dec 2003 01:34:19 PM |
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Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: Pinwheel
Date: 12/7/2003 8:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <bqvips$26t7bl$1@ID-175649.news.uni-berlin.de>
[snip]
Sorry, I disagree. First, he may say one thing in the subject line, but he will
do the complete opposite. If you haven't notice, when challenged on his
unsupported beliefs, each time he responded with the same bs that one can't be
compassionate and vote republican. Second, this has been going on for years. He
has been told repeatedly that posts like these are offensive, yet he continues
to post them. He has started many a flame war, "appears" a tiny bit contrite,
and does it all over again. With the impending elections, it is going to get
much worse. Third, people contribute not without some personal sacrifice and to
have to listen to his criticisms when he does nothing is a slap in the face to
some very tired people. Fourth, this was never meant to be a teaching moment
for alvin in that he will never have a learning moment. His
passive-aggresiveness will ensure that he will continue to do what ever he
wants to do, everyone else be damned. As previously written, this has been
going on for years, so I hardly wd characterize him as "totally open". Fifth,
it's a bit ironic that you say he hasn't earned the "labels" he himself puts on
others. I have no desire to get in a pissing match, so I will stop here.
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08 Dec 2003 05:06:26 PM |
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Deminimii wrote:
Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: Pinwheel
Date: 12/7/2003 8:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <bqvips$26t7bl$1@ID-175649.news.uni-berlin.de>
[snip]
Sorry, I disagree. First, he may say one thing in the subject line, but he will
do the complete opposite. If you haven't notice, when challenged on his
unsupported beliefs, each time he responded with the same bs that one can't be
compassionate and vote republican.
I've noticed. Like I said, he rarely puts himself in a good position to
defend his views. Or maybe he choses not to. Whatever the case, I've yet
to see him go tooth-and-nail with someone--I mean *really* go to it. So
why do the same? It looks ugly from where I'm standing.
Second, this has been going on for years. He
has been told repeatedly that posts like these are offensive, yet he continues
to post them.
Hey, that's unique. Buuuuut if that's as bad as it gets, we should be
so lucky.
He has started many a flame war, "appears" a tiny bit contrite,
and does it all over again. With the impending elections, it is going to get
much worse. Third, people contribute not without some personal sacrifice and to
have to listen to his criticisms when he does nothing is a slap in the face to
some very tired people. Fourth, this was never meant to be a teaching moment
for alvin in that he will never have a learning moment. His
passive-aggresiveness will ensure that he will continue to do what ever he
wants to do, everyone else be damned. As previously written, this has been
going on for years, so I hardly wd characterize him as "totally open".
"Totally open" probably couldn't apply to anyone, true. My bad. But no
one has to listen to his criticisms. You say he's been posting for
years so you already know what you're going to get. But you chose not
to ignore it, and that's not on Alvin.
Fifth,
it's a bit ironic that you say he hasn't earned the "labels" he himself puts on
others. I have no desire to get in a pissing match, so I will stop here.
What others? If you would kindly refer me to those instances in which
he puts such labels on your name specifically, then I will gladly recant
it. OTOH, if you've actually stopped here, I'm talking to a brick wall.
--
Pinwheel *****
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| User: "Deminimii" |
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08 Dec 2003 06:58:46 PM |
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Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: Pinwheel
Date: 12/8/2003 3:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <br303k$262nbs$1@ID-175649.news.uni-berlin.de>
Deminimii wrote:
Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: Pinwheel
Date: 12/7/2003 8:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <bqvips$26t7bl$1@ID-175649.news.uni-berlin.de>
[snip]
Sorry, I disagree. First, he may say one thing in the subject line, but he
will
do the complete opposite. If you haven't notice, when challenged on his
unsupported beliefs, each time he responded with the same bs that one can't
be
compassionate and vote republican.
I've noticed. Like I said, he rarely puts himself in a good position to
defend his views. Or maybe he choses not to. Whatever the case, I've yet
to see him go tooth-and-nail with someone--I mean *really* go to it.
Well, he has been going tooth and nail with his boogeyman bush for several
years now. Plus, you must have missed his flame out about Southerners. He
blanket the newsgroup with crap.
So
why do the same? It looks ugly from where I'm standing.
Yes, his constant derogatory comments about people who do not share his
political beliefs is very ugly. That *was* what you were referring to, wasn't
it?????
Second, this has been going on for years. He
has been told repeatedly that posts like these are offensive, yet he
continues
to post them.
Hey, that's unique. Buuuuut if that's as bad as it gets, we should be
so lucky.
You share his political beliefs and it is not directed towards you, therefore,
no one else has the right to be offended??? Furthermore, we are supposed to be
thankful he isn't more offensive???
He has started many a flame war, "appears" a tiny bit contrite,
and does it all over again. With the impending elections, it is going to
get
much worse. Third, people contribute not without some personal sacrifice
and to
have to listen to his criticisms when he does nothing is a slap in the face
to
some very tired people. Fourth, this was never meant to be a teaching
moment
for alvin in that he will never have a learning moment. His
passive-aggresiveness will ensure that he will continue to do what ever he
wants to do, everyone else be damned. As previously written, this has been
going on for years, so I hardly wd characterize him as "totally open".
"Totally open" probably couldn't apply to anyone, true. My bad. But no
one has to listen to his criticisms. You say he's been posting for
years so you already know what you're going to get. But you chose not
to ignore it, and that's not on Alvin.
Then follow your own advice and ignore me.
Fifth,
it's a bit ironic that you say he hasn't earned the "labels" he himself
puts on
others. I have no desire to get in a pissing match, so I will stop here.
What others? If you would kindly refer me to those instances in which
he puts such labels on your name specifically, then I will gladly recant
it.
God, you are a reall *****. Now, don't get offended, I didn't use your name
specifically, did I? No need to gladly recant.
OTOH, if you've actually stopped here, I'm talking to a brick wall.
Stopped? I said I didn't want to get in a pissing match with you. You have
indicated you do, so be it. When I hear someone use the brick wall analogy, I
think of people who are always yapping about free speech -- so long as the
other side doesn't talk back.
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07 Dec 2003 02:17:11 PM |
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On 07 Dec 2003 19:34:19 GMT, (Deminimii) wrote:
Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: Pinwheel
Date: 12/7/2003 8:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <bqvips$26t7bl$1@ID-175649.news.uni-berlin.de>
[snip]
Sorry, I disagree. First, he may say one thing in the subject line, but he will
do the complete opposite. If you haven't notice, when challenged on his
unsupported beliefs, each time he responded with the same bs that one can't be
compassionate and vote republican. Second, this has been going on for years. He
has been told repeatedly that posts like these are offensive,
by the very people who confuse him on this issue (of compassionate
conservatives), no less. not that it has changed even one jot of what
he writes about and how he presents it.
Many a teaching moment has come and gone, and in the end, was unheard.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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07 Dec 2003 01:49:19 PM |
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Deminimii wrote inter alia:
Third, people contribute not without some personal sacrifice and to
have to listen to his criticisms when he does nothing is a slap in the face
to
some very tired people.
What makes you think he doesn't contribute anything? Do you know for sure that
he doesn't donate any money to charity, or do anything else for a cause?
One of the dumbest assumptions people make, in a forum like this, is that if
people don't talk about doing things, they don't do them.
I have no desire to get in a pissing match,
*cough*
Naomi D.
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| User: "Deminimii" |
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07 Dec 2003 05:15:26 PM |
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Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: (Naomi Darvell)
Date: 12/7/2003 11:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20031207144919.01826.00000301@mb-m18.aol.com>
x-no-archive: yes
Deminimii wrote inter alia:
Third, people contribute not without some personal sacrifice and to
have to listen to his criticisms when he does nothing is a slap in the face
to
some very tired people.
What makes you think he doesn't contribute anything?
What makes you think he does?
Do you know for sure
that
he doesn't donate any money to charity,
Do you know for sure that he does?
or do anything else for a cause?
Like answer a couple of phones a couple of times?
One of the dumbest assumptions people make, in a forum like this, is that if
people don't talk about doing things, they don't do them.
And an even dumber assumption is assuming that if people don't talk about doing
things, they are doing them.
I have no desire to get in a pissing match,
*cough*
* sneeze*
Naomi D.
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07 Dec 2003 05:38:25 PM |
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Deminimii wrote:
Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: (Naomi Darvell)
Date: 12/7/2003 11:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20031207144919.01826.00000301@mb-m18.aol.com>
x-no-archive: yes
Deminimii wrote inter alia:
Third, people contribute not without some personal sacrifice and to
have to listen to his criticisms when he does nothing is a slap in the face
to
some very tired people.
What makes you think he doesn't contribute anything?
What makes you think he does?
I have no idea, but, see, I'm not the one who claimed anything about what he
does or doesn't do.
Do you know for sure
that
he doesn't donate any money to charity,
Do you know for sure that he does?
See above.
or do anything else for a cause?
Like answer a couple of phones a couple of times?
One of the dumbest assumptions people make, in a forum like this, is that if
people don't talk about doing things, they don't do them.
And an even dumber assumption is assuming that if people don't talk about
doing
things, they are doing them.
See above. I haven't claimed anything; you have.
As a matter of interest, do you do or sacrifice anything in particular to help
people?
I have no desire to get in a pissing match,
*cough*
* sneeze*
Gob less.
Naomi D.
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| User: "Deminimii" |
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07 Dec 2003 07:24:31 PM |
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Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: (Naomi Darvell)
Date: 12/7/2003 3:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20031207183825.09599.00000383@mb-m17.aol.com>
x-no-archive: yes
Deminimii wrote:
Subject: Re: Maybe I should talk about Bush less often
From: (Naomi Darvell)
Date: 12/7/2003 11:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20031207144919.01826.00000301@mb-m18.aol.com>
x-no-archive: yes
Deminimii wrote inter alia:
Third, people contribute not without some personal sacrifice and to
have to listen to his criticisms when he does nothing is a slap in the
face
to
some very tired people.
What makes you think he doesn't contribute anything?
What makes you think he does?
I have no idea, but, see, I'm not the one who claimed anything about what he
does or doesn't do.
Well, yes you are. But, if you insist you are not, then there is no grounds for
disagreement.
Do you know for sure
that
he doesn't donate any money to charity,
Do you know for sure that he does?
See above.
Read my prior post.
or do anything else for a cause?
Like answer a couple of phones a couple of times?
One of the dumbest assumptions people make, in a forum like this, is that
if
people don't talk about doing things, they don't do them.
And an even dumber assumption is assuming that if people don't talk about
doing
things, they are doing them.
See above. I haven't claimed anything; you have.
See above. You are assuming all over the place.
As a matter of interest, do you do or sacrifice anything in particular to
help
people?
I really have no interest, but do you?
I have no desire to get in a pissing match,
*cough*
* sneeze*
Gob less.
Naomi D.
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08 Dec 2003 01:17:58 PM |
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(Deminimii) wrote in message
over the last 10 years I have volunteered at soup kitchens,an old
age home,the red cross(twice),3 libraries and a children's museum...
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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11 Dec 2003 06:02:24 PM |
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(alvintchase) wrote in message news:<c1029ba7.0312081117.2d46b5c4@posting.google.com>...
over the last 10 years I have volunteered at soup kitchens,an old
age home,the red cross(twice),3 libraries and a children's museum...
I've also volunteered a few times with political campaigns.the first
time I met Clinton was when I working for his reelection campaign in
1996.remember one of my first posts to ASD back in 1996 anyone?I went
to a rally in Hartford.I shook his hand twice and afterwards was
worried that I wasted his time by shaking his hand twice instead of
once...I realize now,it was no big deal...
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| User: "Janithor" |
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11 Dec 2003 07:25:20 PM |
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alvintchase wrote:
relayer211@yahoo.com (alvintchase) wrote in message news:<c1029ba7.0312081117.2d46b5c4@posting.google.com>...
over the last 10 years I have volunteered at soup kitchens,an old
age home,the red cross(twice),3 libraries and a children's museum...
I've also volunteered a few times with political campaigns.the first
time I met Clinton was when I working for his reelection campaign in
1996.remember one of my first posts to ASD back in 1996 anyone?I went
to a rally in Hartford.I shook his hand twice and afterwards was
worried that I wasted his time by shaking his hand twice instead of
once...I realize now,it was no big deal...
ewwwwwwww......
I hope you remembered to bring your Purell.
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| User: "Deminimii" |
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10 Dec 2003 08:28:48 AM |
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Alvin wrote:
over the last 10 years I have volunteered at soup kitchens,an old
age home,the red cross(twice),3 libraries and a children's museum...
I'm so unimpressed. You slapped together a couple of sandwiches, maybe appeared
once on TG, visited some old people a few times and forgot all about them,
answered phones at the red cross (twice), shelved some books, etc. That's so
minimal, uncommitted and meaningless. Granted, there is not much you can do in
that you never bothered to get an education or learn a skill that might
acutally improve other people's lives. But, considering your yapping how those
mean old republicans are " heartless,cruel,narrow
minded,selfish,insensative,conventional,greedy,mean spirited" you are really
quite full of *****.
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