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"CyberDroog" |
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21 May 2004 01:00:50 PM |
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Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth. Even though
all sensible people know that the temperatures are still sub-zero and ice
doesn't melt in sub-zero temperatures.
So what's going on? Could it be that big ***** volcano they have found under
Antarctica? Volcano hot, ice melt? Sounds pretty simple.
The hard part: finding a way to blame the existence of a volcano on
America...
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
21 May 2004 05:41:23 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth. Even though
all sensible people know that the temperatures are still sub-zero and ice
doesn't melt in sub-zero temperatures.
So what's going on? Could it be that big ***** volcano they have found
under
Antarctica? Volcano hot, ice melt? Sounds pretty simple.
The hard part: finding a way to blame the existence of a volcano on
America...
Simplistic, you mean.
Do you really believe that this volcano has nothing to do with W's blatant
attempt to take over the world?
If "W" hadn't spent the surplus to invade peaceful countries all over the
world, the US would have the tech. ability by now to send Bruce Willis and
Irwin Allen to the bottom of the sea and shut the damn thing off before it
drove electricity prices up this summer.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
21 May 2004 09:31:54 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth.
No, that's not right. Environmentalists knew better. The only people who
have ever been spewing nonsense like that are detractors making things up
to try and make environmentalism appear ill-informed.
all sensible people know that the temperatures are still sub-zero and
ice doesn't melt in sub-zero temperatures.
It's not the continental temperatures that at issue, it's ocean
temperatures. The problem was first noted way back in the sixties, but this
is what is going on now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2040532.stm
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| User: "judith" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
21 May 2004 11:25:53 PM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 19:31:54 -0700, Bev Thornton
<bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth.
No, that's not right. Environmentalists knew better. The only people who
have ever been spewing nonsense like that are detractors making things up
to try and make environmentalism appear ill-informed.
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by environmentalists.
judith
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
22 May 2004 12:24:07 AM |
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"judith" <j_stillwater@excite.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 19:31:54 -0700, Bev Thornton
<bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the
years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth.
No, that's not right. Environmentalists knew better. The only people who
have ever been spewing nonsense like that are detractors making things up
to try and make environmentalism appear ill-informed.
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by environmentalists.
Actually there are several literary references to a flooded earth prior to
Edison, let alone Kostner.
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| User: "judith" |
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22 May 2004 07:20:20 AM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 01:24:07 -0400, "Hap Arnold"
<CinCUSAAF@ghq.army.mil> wrote:
"judith" <j_stillwater@excite.com> wrote in message
news:falta09r20j1b4rnnpalfh2nnjdqcfe245@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 May 2004 19:31:54 -0700, Bev Thornton
<bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the
years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth.
No, that's not right. Environmentalists knew better. The only people who
have ever been spewing nonsense like that are detractors making things up
to try and make environmentalism appear ill-informed.
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by environmentalists.
Actually there are several literary references to a flooded earth prior to
Edison, let alone Kostner.
No geological evidence, though.
judith
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
22 May 2004 09:56:22 AM |
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"judith" <j_stillwater@excite.com> wrote in message
news:9ahua017atjaot9k7us90e6c1impv7rjtk@4ax.com...
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by environmentalists.
Actually there are several literary references to a flooded earth prior
to
Edison, let alone Kostner.
No geological evidence, though.
Waterworld was a geological event???
It was bad, but geological?
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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22 May 2004 11:18:59 PM |
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First of all, the status of the North polar ice cap doesn't affect the
ocean levels at all, since it floats. Only the South polar ice cap,
which rests on land, makes a difference.
Second, total melting of the South polar ice cap would raise the ocean
level by (if I remember correctly) about 80 feet, nowhere near enough
to cover all the land.
However, if the South polar ice cap melts, Chthulhu will be released
from his frozen entombment, and resume his diabolical plan to enslave
humanity by selling psychoactive squid pizzas below cost. (Food for
thought, eh?)
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"judith" <j_stillwater@excite.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 01:24:07 -0400, "Hap Arnold"
<CinCUSAAF@ghq.army.mil> wrote:
"judith" <j_stillwater@excite.com> wrote in message
news:falta09r20j1b4rnnpalfh2nnjdqcfe245@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 May 2004 19:31:54 -0700, Bev Thornton
<bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over
the
years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth.
No, that's not right. Environmentalists knew better. The only
people who
have ever been spewing nonsense like that are detractors making
things up
to try and make environmentalism appear ill-informed.
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was
water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was
ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the
flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by
environmentalists.
Actually there are several literary references to a flooded earth
prior to
Edison, let alone Kostner.
No geological evidence, though.
judith
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
23 May 2004 01:54:12 PM |
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"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8p94u02thb@news4.newsguy.com...
However, if the South polar ice cap melts, Chthulhu will be released
from his frozen entombment, and resume his diabolical plan to enslave
humanity by selling psychoactive squid pizzas below cost. (Food for
thought, eh?)
"Food For Thought" Psychoactive Pizza (tm)
Pepperoni / mushroom/ effexor
Sausage / anchovies / parnate
Mushrooms / LSD / GHB
custom orders vary by regional phramacy regulations.
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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23 May 2004 03:42:10 PM |
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I see you got the pun!
Hmm. With the right kind of mushrooms, you wouldn't need to add LSD to
that last one!
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"Hap Arnold" <CinCUSAAF@ghq.army.mil> wrote in message
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"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8p94u02thb@news4.newsguy.com...
However, if the South polar ice cap melts, Chthulhu will be
released
from his frozen entombment, and resume his diabolical plan to
enslave
humanity by selling psychoactive squid pizzas below cost. (Food
for
thought, eh?)
"Food For Thought" Psychoactive Pizza (tm)
Pepperoni / mushroom/ effexor
Sausage / anchovies / parnate
Mushrooms / LSD / GHB
custom orders vary by regional phramacy regulations.
--
E Sempre l'Ora
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
23 May 2004 05:18:22 AM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:18:59 -0700, "Nom dePlume"
<nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
However, if the South polar ice cap melts, Chthulhu will be released
from his frozen entombment, and resume his diabolical plan to enslave
humanity by selling psychoactive squid pizzas below cost. (Food for
thought, eh?)
squid pizza???? EWWWWWW
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| User: "wombn" |
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23 May 2004 05:17:21 AM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:18:59 -0700, "Nom dePlume"
<nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
Second, total melting of the South polar ice cap would raise the ocean
level by (if I remember correctly) about 80 feet, nowhere near enough
to cover all the land.
squid pizza?!? EWWWWW
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
22 May 2004 07:16:25 AM |
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Hap Arnold wrote:
Actually there are several literary references to a flooded earth prior to
Edison, let alone Kostner.
Which, if traced, would most likely reduce to a single, or a limited number of sources, originating from an area that was probably flooded somewhere in the past - most likely in the Middle East.
Indeed, I think it has been done already.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: Melting Antarctic Polar Ice |
21 May 2004 11:40:14 PM |
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judith wrote:
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by environmentalists.
I remember it being used as a straw man by politicians and business leaders
in the seventies.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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22 May 2004 12:03:36 AM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
judith wrote:
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by environmentalists.
I remember it being used as a straw man by politicians and business leaders
in the seventies.
I remember in the 70's they told us were heading into an ice age. We
saw some movie about it at school.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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22 May 2004 12:13:54 AM |
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Janithor wrote:
I remember in the 70's they told us were heading into an ice age. We
saw some movie about it at school.
We are, sort of. This is still the ice age, we're just in the warm part of a
cycle, all of human history.
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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22 May 2004 07:17:13 AM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
Janithor wrote:
I remember in the 70's they told us were heading into an ice age. We
saw some movie about it at school.
We are, sort of. This is still the ice age, we're just in the warm part of a
cycle, all of human history.
Exactly.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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22 May 2004 07:10:07 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 05:03:36 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Bev Thornton wrote:
judith wrote:
There were times in the past when all the water on earth was water, no
ice caps, but there is no evidence that the entire planet was ever
flooded. It was a sci-fi movie, Waterworld, that proposed the flooded
earth scenario. I don't think it was produced by environmentalists.
I remember it being used as a straw man by politicians and business leaders
in the seventies.
I remember in the 70's they told us were heading into an ice age. We
saw some movie about it at school.
Most of the same scientists who now cry about global warming were the ones
cry about an ice age in the 70's. But the ice age scare didn't catch on so
it was back to the drawing board...
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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22 May 2004 08:36:40 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
Most of the same scientists who now cry about global warming were the ones
cry about an ice age in the 70's. But the ice age scare didn't catch on
so it was back to the drawing board...
Global warming and the ice caps growing are related.
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Science/Conveyor.asp
Maybe you should go back to the drawing board.
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21 May 2004 10:34:16 PM |
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Has anyone every experienced a fleeting desire to tell "Twister in the
Shitstorm" here to shut the ***** up already?
Just wondering!
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21 May 2004 10:40:11 PM |
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"RGB's Neighbot" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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Has anyone every experienced a fleeting desire to tell "Twister in the
Shitstorm" here to shut the ***** up already?
Just wondering!
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he will if you will but he won't lie about things like , i'm in a band ,
in an inept way of thinking this will attract women
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| User: "Janithor" |
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21 May 2004 10:57:24 PM |
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% wrote:
"RGB's Neighbot" <-@-.-> wrote in message
news:--A804F5.20341621052004@news.easynews.com...
Has anyone every experienced a fleeting desire to tell "Twister in the
Shitstorm" here to shut the ***** up already?
Just wondering!
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he will if you will but he won't lie about things like , i'm in a band ,
in an inept way of thinking this will attract women
I had a band in 7th grade, does that count?
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21 May 2004 11:17:30 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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% wrote:
"RGB's Neighbot" <-@-.-> wrote in message
news:--A804F5.20341621052004@news.easynews.com...
Has anyone every experienced a fleeting desire to tell "Twister in the
Shitstorm" here to shut the ***** up already?
Just wondering!
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he will if you will but he won't lie about things like , i'm in a band ,
in an inept way of thinking this will attract women
I had a band in 7th grade, does that count?
in your opinion
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21 May 2004 10:55:07 PM |
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In article <--A804F5.20341621052004@news.easynews.com>,
RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
Has anyone every
Ever.
Damn I hate it when that happens.
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21 May 2004 11:17:03 PM |
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"RGB's Neighbot" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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In article <--A804F5.20341621052004@news.easynews.com>,
RGB's Neighbot <-@-.-> wrote:
Has anyone every
Ever.
Damn I hate it when that happens.
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21 May 2004 03:27:31 PM |
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In message <3ngsa09bl9hk0gqg6eb5n51fau9dir9885@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth. Even though
all sensible people know that the temperatures are still sub-zero and ice
doesn't melt in sub-zero temperatures.
The ice-caps are melting now. Deal with it.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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22 May 2004 07:10:06 PM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:27:31 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <3ngsa09bl9hk0gqg6eb5n51fau9dir9885@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth. Even though
all sensible people know that the temperatures are still sub-zero and ice
doesn't melt in sub-zero temperatures.
The ice-caps are melting now. Deal with it.
It's just the sort of thing you would expect during a warming period after
an ice age. Deal with it.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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23 May 2004 05:36:49 PM |
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In message <lmqva0164ek2fknsaov5tljugn2uvronmd@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:27:31 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <3ngsa09bl9hk0gqg6eb5n51fau9dir9885@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth. Even though
all sensible people know that the temperatures are still sub-zero and ice
doesn't melt in sub-zero temperatures.
The ice-caps are melting now. Deal with it.
It's just the sort of thing you would expect during a warming period after
an ice age. Deal with it.
I thought even the Bush administration had finally given up trying to
find reputable scientists to support that view.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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23 May 2004 11:19:01 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
I thought even the Bush administration had finally given up trying to
find reputable scientists to support that view.
They use disreputable ones instead.
They've started a thing they call the "New Environmentalism," it is pure
doublethink doublespeak.
Here is an example of an astroturf (fake grassroots) organization:
http://www.newenvironmentalism.org/
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24 May 2004 02:08:16 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 23:36:49 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <lmqva0164ek2fknsaov5tljugn2uvronmd@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:27:31 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <3ngsa09bl9hk0gqg6eb5n51fau9dir9885@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
This has been one of the environmentalists favorite cries over the years.
The polar caps are melting and will flood the entire earth. Even though
all sensible people know that the temperatures are still sub-zero and ice
doesn't melt in sub-zero temperatures.
The ice-caps are melting now. Deal with it.
It's just the sort of thing you would expect during a warming period after
an ice age. Deal with it.
I thought even the Bush administration had finally given up trying to
find reputable scientists to support that view.
Actually *most* reputable scientists do. When it comes to global warming
on the other hand, only about 16% of members of the meteorological
association support the idea.
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CyberDroog wrote:
Actually *most* reputable scientists do. When it comes to global warming
on the other hand, only about 16% of members of the meteorological
association support the idea.
What did you do? Just pull that off the top of your head?
Here's the latest official word:
http://www.wmo.ch/web/Press/SGBrussels6May.doc
And if you want the downhome version:
http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/atmozone_2003.html
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