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Topic:	Sociology > Depression
User:	"Teilhard Knight"
Date:	03 Aug 2006 10:26:25 AM
Object:	Men are from Mars, women are from Venus

I have been realizing there is no dictionary in the galaxy to translate the
language men speak to that women speak. Is it possible to think women are
wired mentally different from men? If we are from different planets and
genetically engineered different too, we should think that being both groups
sentient and intelligent beings, a point of understanding can be achieved at
least in some degree. But whereas men use Aristotelian logic, women use a
logic I do not know where the heck comes from.
I had an argument with a possible partner yesterday on the following lines.
She has a work and is a painter. Not a mediocre painter but a recognized
one. Now she wants to retire to be able to devote her entire time to paint,
which I find quite acceptable. But for her I am a lazy bum, because she
doesn't give me the right she takes for herself in the abstract. She thinks
a scientist retiring to think freely on the God's navel if it is what the
bloody heck he wants, without the pressure of "publish or perish" is being a
lazy bum.She wants me to find a job and work *in any activity possible*. And
when you discuss this matter with her she comes out with answers like "I
have the same time to paint now that I am on license than when I am going to
have when I retire". Anybody sees heads and tails of such a retaliation?
Bloody heck I am considering becoming a homosexual to be able to relate wit
a brain who uses the same logic as me. Problem is, I like women, but with
their mouth shut.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind
.

User: "cal"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	03 Aug 2006 10:49:25 AM

"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I have been realizing there is no dictionary in the galaxy to translate the
language men speak to that women speak. Is it possible to think women are
wired mentally different from men? If we are from different planets and
genetically engineered different too, we should think that being both
groups sentient and intelligent beings, a point of understanding can be
achieved at least in some degree. But whereas men use Aristotelian logic,
women use a logic I do not know where the heck comes from.

I had an argument with a possible partner yesterday on the following
lines. She has a work and is a painter. Not a mediocre painter but a
recognized one. Now she wants to retire to be able to devote her entire
time to paint, which I find quite acceptable. But for her I am a lazy bum,
because she doesn't give me the right she takes for herself in the
abstract. She thinks a scientist retiring to think freely on the God's
navel if it is what the bloody heck he wants, without the pressure of
"publish or perish" is being a lazy bum.She wants me to find a job and
work *in any activity possible*. And when you discuss this matter with her
she comes out with answers like "I have the same time to paint now that I
am on license than when I am going to have when I retire". Anybody sees
heads and tails of such a retaliation?

Bloody heck I am considering becoming a homosexual to be able to relate
wit a brain who uses the same logic as me. Problem is, I like women, but
with their mouth shut.

what you've got here isn't a man/woman difference, but a person/person
difference. things can never work out with someone you only like with their
mouth shut, male or female. try to meet someone less controlling and more
compatible with your temperament and lifestyle.
.

User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	03 Aug 2006 05:01:41 PM

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:49:25 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

Like a female scientist.
.

User: "Teilhard Knight"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	03 Aug 2006 09:24:21 PM

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:49:25 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

what you've got here isn't a man/woman difference, but a person/person
difference. things can never work out with someone you only like with
their
mouth shut, male or female. try to meet someone less controlling and more
compatible with your temperament and lifestyle.

Like a female scientist.

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL? Is it
true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than the average?
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind
.

User: "RGB"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	04 Aug 2006 11:33:46 AM

In article <4jfpepF7i9cgU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL?
Is it true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than
the average?

Hi, Original Steppy.
I highly doubt that that depressives as a class are more intelligent; I
think that idea is part of the whole "don't give Van Gogh Prozac" /
"we're depressed because we're insightful" business. I'd actually go so
far as to guess that depression more often has a crippling effect on
cognition. It certainly has on me, I'm just lucky I started out with
enough to get by in spite of the damage.
Be that as it may, there are certainly vast oceans of female stupidity
-- and male, of course -- to be swum in here on ASD (I'm still drying
off from a dip I took,,, yesterday). I suspect it's just that, being an
intelligent person yourself, the material you're interested in reading
is more substantial and thoughtfully composed, so of course is more
likely to come from intelligent authors, which are also plentiful here.
I do think it's probably true that people who write a lot are generally
more intelligent, though the ease of posting on the Internet has
unfortunately given rise to the "million typing monkeys" phenomenon.
I never read the Mars/Venus book, but I have read some stuff by Deborah
Tannen about male/female communication styles that I found very
insightful. Here, some shtuff:
http://raysweb.net/poems/articles/tannen.html
The first bit, the one about the car, always impressed me as revealing a
profound truth.
Original Humbug
P.S. -- Aristotelian logic was superseded by Fregeian logic over a
hundred years ago. "All horses are animals, therefore all horse's heads
are animal's heads" is a theorem for Frege but not for Aristotle, whose
logic was strictly one of properties and not relationships. How very
male, huh?
.

User: "Teilhard Knight"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 12:33:14 AM

"RGB" <mark022806-asd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KFKAg.287931$Rg2.212363@fe07.news.easynews.com...

In article <4jfpepF7i9cgU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL?
Is it true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than
the average?

Hi, Original Steppy.

I highly doubt that that depressives as a class are more intelligent; I
think that idea is part of the whole "don't give Van Gogh Prozac" /
"we're depressed because we're insightful" business. I'd actually go so
far as to guess that depression more often has a crippling effect on
cognition. It certainly has on me, I'm just lucky I started out with
enough to get by in spite of the damage.

Be that as it may, there are certainly vast oceans of female stupidity
-- and male, of course -- to be swum in here on ASD (I'm still drying
off from a dip I took,,, yesterday). I suspect it's just that, being an
intelligent person yourself, the material you're interested in reading
is more substantial and thoughtfully composed, so of course is more
likely to come from intelligent authors, which are also plentiful here.
I do think it's probably true that people who write a lot are generally
more intelligent, though the ease of posting on the Internet has
unfortunately given rise to the "million typing monkeys" phenomenon.

I never read the Mars/Venus book, but I have read some stuff by Deborah
Tannen about male/female communication styles that I found very
insightful. Here, some shtuff:

http://raysweb.net/poems/articles/tannen.html

The first bit, the one about the car, always impressed me as revealing a
profound truth.

Original Humbug

P.S. -- Aristotelian logic was superseded by Fregeian logic over a
hundred years ago. "All horses are animals, therefore all horse's heads
are animal's heads" is a theorem for Frege but not for Aristotle, whose
logic was strictly one of properties and not relationships. How very
male, huh?

Hello, Humbug:
I am sorry I took too long to reply to your contribution, but that was
because you gave me a lot of material to digest, and I'm afraid I do not
have any more to contribute after all this time. I haven't researched the
issue about IQ in depressives, so I do not have a rebuke to your claims, but
I am biased, as if it was a matter of faith, as I said, that is: I believe
depressives have a higher IQ then average. I am sorry you have felt a
crippling effect of you cognitive skills during depression, and that is a
dimension we do not share, I haven't experienced it. Although I grant that
it must be true in maters like difficulties to concentrate or be tenacious
intellectually.
I read the article you sent and it's bloody interesting. It is similar to
the Mars/Venus book in the main idea. I feel bad because I have no more to
add, but you'll forgive me because I am not an expert in these issues, not
even an amateur, having been concerned with getting into understanding with
my partners rather than to research the issue.
I hate to write sterile posts. To do my modest bit I just point out the
Fregian logic must be very interesting academically, but we in science keep
working on Aristotelian premises despite all efforts to change this state of
affairs. Perhaps a glimpse at quantum logic where the notion of partial
truth appears would be of your interest.
Thanks for replying Humbug and let us see more of you, man.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind
.

User: "descent"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 06:34:39 AM

Teilhard,
Re: Depressives having a higher IQ than average.
A bit of news broke today reporting that ketamine might have potential
as a breakthrough antidepressant (not now, it's going to need a few
years). One article was at the following URL (Boston Globe):
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/mental/articles/2006/08/08/drug_may_quickly_lift_depression_study_says/
It's blasted all over the wires because when it works it does so in
hours, not weeks. It's not ready for prime-time but it's obviously
interesting.
The article mentioned (I'm paraphrasing big time here) that the drug
apparently inhibits the transmission of glutamate, and further mentions
(2nd page) elevated levels of glutamate in persons (pre-treatment)
experiencing a major depressive episode.
That kicked me off Google-searching for information about glutamate
inhibition. Well, that's not quite what I found. I got a real nasty
can of worms instead, from a combination of sources-- news articles,
discussions on genetic research, medical papers:
- Glutamate is critical to the function of learning and memory. Take
it away, and you get learning disabilities, amnesia, probably don't
want to know what else.
- Tinker with mice a bit to enhance transmission (paraphrasing again
here)-- which isn't so much about the glutamate as the brain cells it's
stimulating (which is its job)-- and you get smart mice. Related URL:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/99/0913/cover3.html
That's just the fun part.
I also ran headlong into discussions about oversupply of glutamate
being noted in the context of strokes (oxygen-deprived brain floods
with glutamate, overstimulus kills brain cells), Hodgkin's Disease,
ALS, obsessive-compulsive disorder, dementia, Alzheimer's, temporal
lobe epilepsy, autism, and depression. I didn't find general anxiety
disorder or its variants, but to be honest, I decided not to look.
In looking at my own medical history and my mother's side of the family
tree (back 2 generations) I can locate five of the nasty items above,
maybe six. Seven if you count the high IQ-- got a few brainiacs in the
Boomer generation (1 behind me), with accompanying mental illnesses of
varying types and degrees.
To be sure, I'm nowhere near being an MD or a neurochemist. My
knowledge of chemistry stinks, actually. But I can wrap my head around
enough of it to spook me to high heaven. If you've got a specific
neurotransmitter that creates both heightened mental acuity *and*
depression when in oversupply, and kills brain cells outright when it's
completely out of control... well... frick.
I was *not* happy to run into all this stuff. I know some love to turn
these discussions into debates about whether IQ matters or exists, or
who suffers more vs. less. Frankly, I'm more interested in seeing
people cured of this rotten disease (depression), and one can't fix the
problem if one can't talk about all dimensions of the cause, including
the unpopular ones. I'm glad to see you willing to discuss the
IQ-depression correlation.
Humbug's comment about depression having a crippling effect on
cognition is on point based on my experience (my cognition is askew in
a very specific way when I'm depressed, and it took a very specific set
of external circumstances for me to finally figure that out). It is
probably also true that how badly your cognition is impacted depends on
the severity of the depressive episode. I do wonder if one can
accumulate permanent damage to cognitive function from depression over
time (ok, I worry about whether *I* have). In any case, what astounds
me is that you can *both* be right-- you about the
IQ/enhanced-cognition+depression correlation, him about cognition
impairment.
The very same neurotransmitter that can enhance cognition can
apparently tear it to pieces, either slowly or in chunks, while doing
the enhancing; the only question may be what a specific brain's
"balance" happens to be at a given point in time. It makes scientific
sense if you boil it down to chemicals and their proportions-- it
introduces a question of degree that can allow all sorts of variances.
At the same time, it seems downright paradoxical-- heck, it *feels*
like being at the wrong end of someone's really nasty, predatory cosmic
joke.
Anyway, this item may also interest you:
http://www.johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/brain/intelligence/posthuma_iq_candidate_qtl_2005.w
It discusses a potential candidate for the "IQ gene". It is discussed
as being involved in the handling of glutamate, and also makes a
reference to the same gene being potentially involved with autism.
I've often thought of having a high IQ as a bit of a curse. I never,
ever thought I'd be contemplating that idea in a cold, hard,
biochemical context.
What a depressing post to write... uh... cheers?
Teilhard Knight wrote:

"RGB" <mark022806-asd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KFKAg.287931$Rg2.212363@fe07.news.easynews.com...

In article <4jfpepF7i9cgU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL?
Is it true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than
the average?

Hi, Original Steppy.

I highly doubt that that depressives as a class are more intelligent; I
think that idea is part of the whole "don't give Van Gogh Prozac" /
"we're depressed because we're insightful" business. I'd actually go so
far as to guess that depression more often has a crippling effect on
cognition. It certainly has on me, I'm just lucky I started out with
enough to get by in spite of the damage.

Be that as it may, there are certainly vast oceans of female stupidity
-- and male, of course -- to be swum in here on ASD (I'm still drying
off from a dip I took,,, yesterday). I suspect it's just that, being an
intelligent person yourself, the material you're interested in reading
is more substantial and thoughtfully composed, so of course is more
likely to come from intelligent authors, which are also plentiful here.
I do think it's probably true that people who write a lot are generally
more intelligent, though the ease of posting on the Internet has
unfortunately given rise to the "million typing monkeys" phenomenon.

I never read the Mars/Venus book, but I have read some stuff by Deborah
Tannen about male/female communication styles that I found very
insightful. Here, some shtuff:

http://raysweb.net/poems/articles/tannen.html

The first bit, the one about the car, always impressed me as revealing a
profound truth.

Original Humbug

P.S. -- Aristotelian logic was superseded by Fregeian logic over a
hundred years ago. "All horses are animals, therefore all horse's heads
are animal's heads" is a theorem for Frege but not for Aristotle, whose
logic was strictly one of properties and not relationships. How very
male, huh?

Hello, Humbug:

I am sorry I took too long to reply to your contribution, but that was
because you gave me a lot of material to digest, and I'm afraid I do not
have any more to contribute after all this time. I haven't researched the
issue about IQ in depressives, so I do not have a rebuke to your claims, but
I am biased, as if it was a matter of faith, as I said, that is: I believe
depressives have a higher IQ then average. I am sorry you have felt a
crippling effect of you cognitive skills during depression, and that is a
dimension we do not share, I haven't experienced it. Although I grant that
it must be true in maters like difficulties to concentrate or be tenacious
intellectually.

I read the article you sent and it's bloody interesting. It is similar to
the Mars/Venus book in the main idea. I feel bad because I have no more to
add, but you'll forgive me because I am not an expert in these issues, not
even an amateur, having been concerned with getting into understanding with
my partners rather than to research the issue.

I hate to write sterile posts. To do my modest bit I just point out the
Fregian logic must be very interesting academically, but we in science keep
working on Aristotelian premises despite all efforts to change this state of
affairs. Perhaps a glimpse at quantum logic where the notion of partial
truth appears would be of your interest.

Thanks for replying Humbug and let us see more of you, man.

--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial

----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind

User: "RGB"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	09 Aug 2006 06:34:59 PM

X-No-Archive: Yes
In article <4jqm0uF95pe9U1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight, the original "Steppenwolf" <teilhk@privacy.net>
wrote:

I believe depressives have a higher IQ then average.

Well, it isn't like this is just a matter of opinion, or some kind of
article of faith. This is a knowable thing, if it isn't already known.
And it's important to know, not so we can "neener neener" the dumb
normies if we're smarter or punch more holes in our self esteem if
we're not, just because we need to know as much as we can about this
*****.
I hate to think, though, that if some study showed that what you say is
true, some would seize on it to support their notion that depression is
somehow a gift that gives one deeper insight into how things really
are, or that depression arises from this kind of deeper insight. My
thinking about the whole issue is really rooted in the Kramer book I
just read: depression is an illness, period. ***** the romantic image of
the tragic depressed artist with his penetrating vision into the
meaninglessness of life. Give Van Gogh the Prozac.
Sorry, kind of going off on a tangent there.
I guess I'm just saying that if you're right, we (we being humanity in
general) need to be really careful what conclusions we draw from that.

I am sorry you have felt a
crippling effect of you cognitive skills during depression, and that is a
dimension we do not share, I haven't experienced it. Although I grant that
it must be true in maters like difficulties to concentrate or be tenacious
intellectually.

Yeah. Functional intelligence has to do with a lot of thing beyond the
architecture and speed of the CPU. There's ability to concentrate,
ability to remember, ability to socialize, and, last but not least,
ability to give a *****. Spend enough time not giving a ***** about
anything, you're not likely to remain at the top of your game,
cognitively.

I read the article you sent and it's bloody interesting.

Isn't it? That "stop for coffee" parable really blew me away the first
time I heard it. I think a lot of confusion arises from the fact that,
for whatever reason, many women often express their thoughts and
feelings in interrogative rather than declarative forms. I wonder if
this makes them better Jeopardy players?

It is similar to
the Mars/Venus book in the main idea. I feel bad because I have no more to
add, but you'll forgive me because I am not an expert in these issues, not
even an amateur, having been concerned with getting into understanding with
my partners rather than to research the issue.

I hate to write sterile posts.

They're good for reading in operating rooms, though.

To do my modest bit I just point out the
Fregian logic must be very interesting academically, but we in science keep
working on Aristotelian premises despite all efforts to change this state of
affairs.

Well, Frege didn't show Aristotelian logic was wrong, just very
incomplete. There's just only so much thinking you can do just using
Barbara, Celarent, Darii, Ferio, Cesare, Camestres, Festino, Baroco,
Darapti, Disamis, Datisi, Felapton, Bocardo, Ferison, Bramantip,
Camenes, Dimaris, Fesapo, and Fresison.

Perhaps a glimpse at quantum logic where the notion of partial
truth appears would be of your interest.

Eh. Not sure I'm all that interested in that angle. Sometimes I think
it's just a big copout, but then, I don't really know much about it.

Thanks for replying Humbug and let us see more of you, man.

The honor is mine, Original Steppy.
Humbug
.

User: "Teilhard Knight"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	14 Aug 2006 04:32:04 PM

Gosh, Humbug , since I decided to exercise I have no energy left but sleep.
You'll forgive me for the late reply.

I believe depressives have a higher IQ then average.

Completely agree. I even hinted to the issue is not a matter of faith in my
reply to you.

I hate to think, though, that if some study showed that what you say is
true, some would seize on it to support their notion that depression is
somehow a gift that gives one deeper insight into how things really
are, or that depression arises from this kind of deeper insight. My
thinking about the whole issue is really rooted in the Kramer book I
just read: depression is an illness, period. ***** the romantic image of
the tragic depressed artist with his penetrating vision into the
meaninglessness of life. Give Van Gogh the Prozac.

Maybe you are right. But aside from the IQ business, I really believe we
depressives have much more insight into the nature of the human being. It is
a kind of ironic situation where you see deeper inside, but you are not able
to use that knowledge to your advantage. That is to say, you cannot get over
the normies in skills and opportunities.

Sorry, kind of going off on a tangent there.

I guess I'm just saying that if you're right, we (we being humanity in
general) need to be really careful what conclusions we draw from that.

I am sorry you have felt a
crippling effect of you cognitive skills during depression, and that is a
dimension we do not share, I haven't experienced it. Although I grant
that
it must be true in maters like difficulties to concentrate or be
tenacious
intellectually.

That's what I meant above. You have more insight, but you do not have more
abilities.

I read the article you sent and it's bloody interesting.

There is this kind of women (at least some of the ones I have related to)
that think on the grounds that you are a mind reader. They get an idea,
utter something unrelated or not to the point and they expect that you must
be aware of that secret idea. And sometimes, they do not even bother to say
anything, you must be aware of what they are thinking. They almost always
handle their feelings like that. There is a lightning, they say: "ouch" and
you are supposed to hug them tightly because you must be aware that they are
afraid of lightnings. But perhaps here I am going along the tangent, not all
women are like that, I know.
<snip>
Be well Humbug, post more.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind
.

User: "RGB"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	16 Aug 2006 01:34:02 AM

In article <4kc8elFams7dU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

Gosh, Humbug , since I decided to exercise I have no energy left but sleep.
You'll forgive me for the late reply.

No problemo. Consider my own tardiness retaliatory!

But aside from the IQ business, I really believe we depressives have
much more insight into the nature of the human being.

Well, I don't know how to put a finer point on it, so let me just say
bluntly that this is exactly the attitude I regard as a load of...
hooey. I think it's just plain false, but beyond that I think it's false
and dangerous. Especially considering that the predominant "insight"
depressives have along these lines is the self-deprecating belief that
they are worthless pieces of ***** (or, in the alternative compensatory
mood, that all the "normies" around them are worthless pieces of *****.)
*BUT* ... you're a smart guy, Original Steppy, so let me try to approach
this with a more open mind. Why exactly do you believe this? Serious
question, asked in the spirit of natural science. I have very specific
reasons for believing as I do, so I'd like to hear yours for believing
as you do.
Humbug
.

User: "Teilhard Knight"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	18 Aug 2006 10:58:22 PM

Gosh, Humbug , since I decided to exercise I have no energy left but
sleep.
You'll forgive me for the late reply.

No problemo. Consider my own tardiness retaliatory!

But aside from the IQ business, I really believe we depressives have
much more insight into the nature of the human being.

Well, I don't know how to put a finer point on it, so let me just say
bluntly that this is exactly the attitude I regard as a load of...
hooey. I think it's just plain false, but beyond that I think it's false
and dangerous. Especially considering that the predominant "insight"
depressives have along these lines is the self-deprecating belief that
they are worthless pieces of ***** (or, in the alternative compensatory
mood, that all the "normies" around them are worthless pieces of *****.)

*BUT* ... you're a smart guy, Original Steppy, so let me try to approach
this with a more open mind. Why exactly do you believe this? Serious
question, asked in the spirit of natural science. I have very specific
reasons for believing as I do, so I'd like to hear yours for believing
as you do.

Gosh, Humbug, you have made me think about the issue in question and after a
life of taking care of how I open my mouth, you have given me again the
golden lesson of not advancing so easily views on which we have no
substantial back up. That's why I enjoy talking to intelligent guys who can
teach me or remind me to behave.
I think we both are partially right. That if you allow for depressives who
have the fortune to find a good therapist. I grant you are right about those
of us who have had no luck in this regard. You made me go back and review my
pre-analysis memories. I was an individual full of compensatory defense
mechanisms, and one event I recall clearly was that, out of finding myself
ostracized socially I started to suspect that it is a psychological need to
be liked by people. This simple and natural fact for a normie, was a
revelation to me. It was as if I was discovering the water powder when it is
a notion so trivial to the ordinary Joe that hardly needs to be brought to
consciousness as a statement to verbalize. Of course this is not seen deeper
than most people and is in fact a myopic state, rationalizing something that
the subject who is in awe by its discovery (me) is in want.
Things changed for me when I underwent my analysis, and little by little
started to see my strengths and limitations. of course, I was glad by my
strengths but my limitations needed an explanation. Those appeared also in
psychoanalysis. After that experience, which saved me from hell in the end,
I could see many of the hidden traits of personality of many people and very
often I had to put up with people who gave for granted an approach to life
which I considered to arise in ill substratums of personality. So, I
consider my psychoanalysis as if having gone to the school of the inner
motivations of human beings.
But that is not the end of what you made me reflect into. There are many
normies who are the lucky ones, not the common Joe, who had an upbringing
better than normal and who are also aware of the facts that the "trained to
see" is capable of noticing and many of them can see further into.
The conclusion I arrived at is that it is all a hierarchy in which people
can see more or less according to where they belong. The untreated
depressive, certainly, as you say, doesn't belong to the higher stratums. In
that I agree with you.
Nowadays the term "neurotic" is obsolete. Psychology has in our times made a
finer distinction of a multitude of disorders to which a person who was
labeled like that can belong to. But it was said that a neurotic was nothing
else but a normie who felt more intensely, specially the adversity. If that
is true, the neurotic (read: mentally ill) has his own field of expertise on
matters through which a normie goes trough, but with a more than bearable
intensity.
So far so good, Humbug. I hope I clarified what I wanted to say, modified by
reflection. Now, I'd like to hear your point of view.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind
.

User: "RGB"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	20 Aug 2006 11:44:31 PM

In article <4kngj3Fcu7brU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

There are many normies who are the lucky ones, not the common Joe,
who had an upbringing better than normal and who are also aware of
the facts that the "trained to see" is capable of noticing and many
of them can see further into.

And if this is what it's all about, then it's this training (whether in
the form of psychotherapy or something else) that is the source of your
"insightful" depressive's gift, with depression itself having nothing
directly to do with it. Which is a pretty compelling argument that some
such training ought to be an essential part of a standard education. If
in fact therapy does something good for patients who receive it above
and beyond treating their mental illness, it's a waste to restrict it
only to the mentally ill.
I guess this is part of what the whole "self help" trend is about,
particularly those schools of thought in the so-called "New Age" camp:
the idea that the emphasis should be on promoting wellness rather than
treating illness. Unfortunately you usually find this kind of stuff in
the same bookstore aisles as books about AA and its many spinoffs,
which approaches things in sort of the opposite way: rather than seeing
the promotion of wellness as something apart from the treatment of
illness, life is seen as a greatly expanded collection of "diseases"
and "addictions" and a lot of crap in that vein. Not to mention magic
crystals and past life regression and astrology. So the
non-mentally-ill people who wind up paying attention to it are either
granola-munching spiritualists or superstitious wackos, with the
healthy and clear-minded spending their time in the finance and home
remodeling sections. Sigh.
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	18 Aug 2006 11:09:27 PM

hey look , its captain noodle head
.

User: "jill"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 11:39:50 AM

RGB wrote:

In article <4jfpepF7i9cgU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL?
Is it true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than
the average?

Hi, Original Steppy.

I highly doubt that that depressives as a class are more intelligent; I
think that idea is part of the whole "don't give Van Gogh Prozac" /
"we're depressed because we're insightful" business. I'd actually go so
far as to guess that depression more often has a crippling effect on
cognition. It certainly has on me, I'm just lucky I started out with
enough to get by in spite of the damage.

Be that as it may, there are certainly vast oceans of female stupidity
-- and male, of course -- to be swum in here on ASD (I'm still drying
off from a dip I took,,, yesterday). I suspect it's just that, being an
intelligent person yourself, the material you're interested in reading
is more substantial and thoughtfully composed, so of course is more
likely to come from intelligent authors, which are also plentiful here.
I do think it's probably true that people who write a lot are generally
more intelligent, though the ease of posting on the Internet has
unfortunately given rise to the "million typing monkeys" phenomenon.

I never read the Mars/Venus book, but I have read some stuff by Deborah
Tannen about male/female communication styles that I found very
insightful. Here, some shtuff:

http://raysweb.net/poems/articles/tannen.html

The first bit, the one about the car, always impressed me as revealing a
profound truth.

Original Humbug

P.S. -- Aristotelian logic was superseded by Fregeian logic over a
hundred years ago. "All horses are animals, therefore all horse's heads
are animal's heads" is a theorem for Frege but not for Aristotle, whose
logic was strictly one of properties and not relationships. How very

, You pompus *****. Cheap and below the belt ,, classic RGB.
Cruel. . Why cloak everything in jargon so you don't even have to take
responsibility for your meaness. If you would just own it at least I
could respect That
The dimond cutter mind the sword of gideon dripping with righteous
truth. You think condemning people and passing judgement is your job.
You think it sets you apart from the herd. You go around hacking
away at people convinced that nice is the same thing as weak. You are
the ***** encrusted tee shirt, you do it to yourself. Yelping like a
wounded bear when anyone claims you have made and error in fairness.
Is this swipe at me fair. How many times have you called me stupid
now. Two , Three, who's counting right,
Jill the jelloee dim bulb who failed to score one point off the
mighty RGB who proved that he is a true warrior of truth.
What is wrong with you , What happened to you that makes you behave
like this. Leave me alone.. And don't try to tell me this wasn't
about me. Thats another little tactic so nothing is ever your
mistake. I am sorry your stupid. I am sorry you misunderstood. What
is wrong with you. Leave me alone. jill
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 01:22:13 PM

"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155055190.829421.8810@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

RGB wrote:

In article <4jfpepF7i9cgU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL?
Is it true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than
the average?

Hi, Original Steppy.

I highly doubt that that depressives as a class are more intelligent; I
think that idea is part of the whole "don't give Van Gogh Prozac" /
"we're depressed because we're insightful" business. I'd actually go so
far as to guess that depression more often has a crippling effect on
cognition. It certainly has on me, I'm just lucky I started out with
enough to get by in spite of the damage.

Be that as it may, there are certainly vast oceans of female stupidity
-- and male, of course -- to be swum in here on ASD (I'm still drying
off from a dip I took,,, yesterday). I suspect it's just that, being an
intelligent person yourself, the material you're interested in reading
is more substantial and thoughtfully composed, so of course is more
likely to come from intelligent authors, which are also plentiful here.
I do think it's probably true that people who write a lot are generally
more intelligent, though the ease of posting on the Internet has
unfortunately given rise to the "million typing monkeys" phenomenon.

I never read the Mars/Venus book, but I have read some stuff by Deborah
Tannen about male/female communication styles that I found very
insightful. Here, some shtuff:

http://raysweb.net/poems/articles/tannen.html

The first bit, the one about the car, always impressed me as revealing a
profound truth.

Original Humbug

P.S. -- Aristotelian logic was superseded by Fregeian logic over a
hundred years ago. "All horses are animals, therefore all horse's heads
are animal's heads" is a theorem for Frege but not for Aristotle, whose
logic was strictly one of properties and not relationships. How very

, You pompus *****. Cheap and below the belt ,, classic RGB.
Cruel. . Why cloak everything in jargon so you don't even have to take
responsibility for your meaness. If you would just own it at least I
could respect That

The dimond cutter mind the sword of gideon dripping with righteous
truth. You think condemning people and passing judgement is your job.
You think it sets you apart from the herd. You go around hacking
away at people convinced that nice is the same thing as weak. You are
the ***** encrusted tee shirt, you do it to yourself. Yelping like a
wounded bear when anyone claims you have made and error in fairness.
Is this swipe at me fair. How many times have you called me stupid
now. Two , Three, who's counting right,
Jill the jelloee dim bulb who failed to score one point off the
mighty RGB who proved that he is a true warrior of truth.
What is wrong with you , What happened to you that makes you behave
like this. Leave me alone.. And don't try to tell me this wasn't
about me. Thats another little tactic so nothing is ever your
mistake. I am sorry your stupid. I am sorry you misunderstood. What
is wrong with you. Leave me alone. jill

hi
.

User: "jill"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 02:10:20 PM

% wrote:

"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155055190.829421.8810@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

RGB wrote:

In article <4jfpepF7i9cgU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL?
Is it true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than
the average?

Hi, Original Steppy.

I highly doubt that that depressives as a class are more intelligent; I
think that idea is part of the whole "don't give Van Gogh Prozac" /
"we're depressed because we're insightful" business. I'd actually go so
far as to guess that depression more often has a crippling effect on
cognition. It certainly has on me, I'm just lucky I started out with
enough to get by in spite of the damage.

Be that as it may, there are certainly vast oceans of female stupidity
-- and male, of course -- to be swum in here on ASD (I'm still drying
off from a dip I took,,, yesterday). I suspect it's just that, being an
intelligent person yourself, the material you're interested in reading
is more substantial and thoughtfully composed, so of course is more
likely to come from intelligent authors, which are also plentiful here.
I do think it's probably true that people who write a lot are generally
more intelligent, though the ease of posting on the Internet has
unfortunately given rise to the "million typing monkeys" phenomenon.

I never read the Mars/Venus book, but I have read some stuff by Deborah
Tannen about male/female communication styles that I found very
insightful. Here, some shtuff:

http://raysweb.net/poems/articles/tannen.html

The first bit, the one about the car, always impressed me as revealing a
profound truth.

Original Humbug

P.S. -- Aristotelian logic was superseded by Fregeian logic over a
hundred years ago. "All horses are animals, therefore all horse's heads
are animal's heads" is a theorem for Frege but not for Aristotle, whose
logic was strictly one of properties and not relationships. How very

, You pompus *****. Cheap and below the belt ,, classic RGB.
Cruel. . Why cloak everything in jargon so you don't even have to take
responsibility for your meaness. If you would just own it at least I
could respect That

The dimond cutter mind the sword of gideon dripping with righteous
truth. You think condemning people and passing judgement is your job.
You think it sets you apart from the herd. You go around hacking
away at people convinced that nice is the same thing as weak. You are
the ***** encrusted tee shirt, you do it to yourself. Yelping like a
wounded bear when anyone claims you have made and error in fairness.
Is this swipe at me fair. How many times have you called me stupid
now. Two , Three, who's counting right,
Jill the jelloee dim bulb who failed to score one point off the
mighty RGB who proved that he is a true warrior of truth.
What is wrong with you , What happened to you that makes you behave
like this. Leave me alone.. And don't try to tell me this wasn't
about me. Thats another little tactic so nothing is ever your
mistake. I am sorry your stupid. I am sorry you misunderstood. What
is wrong with you. Leave me alone. jill

Hi Dave,
Well?? I should have let it go I know.
hope you are okay, I am off to try to conquer the hill on my bike, It
is perfect bike weather here. jill
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 02:12:19 PM

"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155064220.694774.210170@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

% wrote:

"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155055190.829421.8810@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

RGB wrote:

In article <4jfpepF7i9cgU1@individual.net>,
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my

RL?

Is it true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than
the average?

Hi, Original Steppy.

I highly doubt that that depressives as a class are more

intelligent; I

think that idea is part of the whole "don't give Van Gogh Prozac" /
"we're depressed because we're insightful" business. I'd actually go

far as to guess that depression more often has a crippling effect on
cognition. It certainly has on me, I'm just lucky I started out with
enough to get by in spite of the damage.

Be that as it may, there are certainly vast oceans of female

stupidity

-- and male, of course -- to be swum in here on ASD (I'm still

drying

off from a dip I took,,, yesterday). I suspect it's just that, being

intelligent person yourself, the material you're interested in

reading

is more substantial and thoughtfully composed, so of course is more
likely to come from intelligent authors, which are also plentiful

here.

I do think it's probably true that people who write a lot are

generally

more intelligent, though the ease of posting on the Internet has
unfortunately given rise to the "million typing monkeys" phenomenon.

I never read the Mars/Venus book, but I have read some stuff by

Deborah

Tannen about male/female communication styles that I found very
insightful. Here, some shtuff:

http://raysweb.net/poems/articles/tannen.html

The first bit, the one about the car, always impressed me as

revealing a

profound truth.

Original Humbug

P.S. -- Aristotelian logic was superseded by Fregeian logic over a
hundred years ago. "All horses are animals, therefore all horse's

heads

are animal's heads" is a theorem for Frege but not for Aristotle,

whose

logic was strictly one of properties and not relationships. How very

, You pompus *****. Cheap and below the belt ,, classic RGB.
Cruel. . Why cloak everything in jargon so you don't even have to

take

responsibility for your meaness. If you would just own it at least I
could respect That

The dimond cutter mind the sword of gideon dripping with righteous
truth. You think condemning people and passing judgement is your

job.

You think it sets you apart from the herd. You go around hacking
away at people convinced that nice is the same thing as weak. You

are

the ***** encrusted tee shirt, you do it to yourself. Yelping like a
wounded bear when anyone claims you have made and error in fairness.
Is this swipe at me fair. How many times have you called me stupid
now. Two , Three, who's counting right,
Jill the jelloee dim bulb who failed to score one point off the
mighty RGB who proved that he is a true warrior of truth.
What is wrong with you , What happened to you that makes you behave
like this. Leave me alone.. And don't try to tell me this wasn't
about me. Thats another little tactic so nothing is ever your
mistake. I am sorry your stupid. I am sorry you misunderstood.

What

is wrong with you. Leave me alone. jill

Hi Dave,
Well?? I should have let it go I know.
hope you are okay, I am off to try to conquer the hill on my bike, It
is perfect bike weather here. jill

well you know i'm not the type to say TOLD YA
enjoy your ride and don't let sad spirits bother you
.

User: "RGB"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 04:45:29 PM

In article <1155055190.829421.8810@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

Why cloak everything in jargon so you don't even have to take
responsibility for your meanness. If you would just own it at least I
could respect that

OK, then, prepare to respect it.
The part with the three commas was a direct reference to you. The rest
had absolutely nothing to do with you and wasn't "cloaking" anything. In
fact, I even said that my own intelligence has suffered from chronic
depression.

How many times have you called me stupid
now. Two, Three, who's counting right,

A couple. And how many times have you called me (and others)
unprincipled, or disingenuous, or envious, or irrational or any number
of other unsavory things in course of this argument about Gibson? You've
been casting this debate in personal terms from the get-go. Not in those
words, of course, but you've been insulting me in your own way since
this started, so don't try to play the poor little girl victim card now.
Them that's got shall get.

Leave me alone.

I think you should just not read anything I write, since I suspect
you'll now start seeing references to you all over the place that aren't
there (like the "bun" thing). Give yourself a break.
Mark
=========================================
Original Steppy: I owe you a reply and have it partially written on my
desktop now.
.

User: "jill"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 07:06:18 PM

RGB wrote:

In article <1155055190.829421.8810@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

Why cloak everything in jargon so you don't even have to take
responsibility for your meanness. If you would just own it at least I
could respect that

OK, then, prepare to respect it.

The part with the three commas was a direct reference to you. The rest
had absolutely nothing to do with you and wasn't "cloaking" anything. In
fact, I even said that my own intelligence has suffered from chronic
depression.

How many times have you called me stupid
now. Two, Three, who's counting right,

Leave me alone.

I think you should just not read anything I write, since I suspect
you'll now start seeing references to you all over the place that aren't
there (like the "bun" thing). Give yourself a break.

Mark

for me and all the other typing monkeys out there I want to just
say, " ***** off RGB! You are mean man.

=========================================

Original Steppy: I owe you a reply and have it partially written on my
desktop now.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 07:10:37 PM

"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155081978.378233.206060@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

RGB wrote:

In article <1155055190.829421.8810@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

Why cloak everything in jargon so you don't even have to take
responsibility for your meanness. If you would just own it at least I
could respect that

OK, then, prepare to respect it.

The part with the three commas was a direct reference to you. The rest
had absolutely nothing to do with you and wasn't "cloaking" anything. In
fact, I even said that my own intelligence has suffered from chronic
depression.

How many times have you called me stupid
now. Two, Three, who's counting right,

Leave me alone.

I think you should just not read anything I write, since I suspect
you'll now start seeing references to you all over the place that aren't
there (like the "bun" thing). Give yourself a break.

Mark

for me and all the other typing monkeys out there I want to just
say, " ***** off RGB! You are mean man.

=========================================

Original Steppy: I owe you a reply and have it partially written on my
desktop now.

hi
.

User: "RGB"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 07:52:28 PM

In article <1155081978.378233.206060@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

for me and all the other typing monkeys out there

My you're full of yourself, thinking all these remarks are about you!
That "monkeys" thing comes from a guy named Robert Wilensky, who said,
"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare.
Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." My remark was a
reference to the general state of the Usenet, not to you.
.

User: "Jesters mummy"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	08 Aug 2006 06:24:29 PM

On 8 Aug 2006 09:39:50 -0700, "jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

<(((*>The dimond cutter mind the sword of gideon dripping with righteous
<(((*>truth. You think condemning people and passing judgement is your job.
<(((*> You think it sets you apart from the herd. You go around hacking
<(((*>away at people convinced that nice is the same thing as weak. You are
<(((*>the ***** encrusted tee shirt, you do it to yourself. Yelping like a
<(((*>wounded bear when anyone claims you have made and error in fairness.
<(((*>Is this swipe at me fair. How many times have you called me stupid
<(((*>now. Two , Three, who's counting right,
<(((*> Jill the jelloee dim bulb who failed to score one point off the
<(((*>mighty RGB who proved that he is a true warrior of truth.
<(((*> What is wrong with you , What happened to you that makes you behave
<(((*>like this. Leave me alone.. And don't try to tell me this wasn't
<(((*>about me. Thats another little tactic so nothing is ever your
<(((*>mistake. I am sorry your stupid. I am sorry you misunderstood. What
<(((*>is wrong with you. Leave me alone. jill

jill, you have the power to make Mark's posts disappear from your browser. It's
called "killfiling", and it really, really works.
Of course, if you'd rather play the "poor little me, I'm a victim" game, by all
means, go right ahead.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
.

User: "jill"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	09 Aug 2006 06:22:47 AM

Jester's mummy wrote:

On 8 Aug 2006 09:39:50 -0700, "jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

jill, you have the power to make Mark's posts disappear from your browser. It's
called "killfiling", and it really, really works.

Of course, if you'd rather play the "poor little me, I'm a victim" game, by all
means, go right ahead.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada

I am being held up as a example of stupid here. I am being
attacked for no reason. You think I should just shut up an take it.
Just let it go. Isn't that what a victim does. Isn't what I am doing
here just the opposite of that. I am standing up and saying hey this
is mean. This is unfair , this is cruel. I really don't see how that
makes me a victim. I have a right to be upset about this and to say
it. this was a lousy thing for RGB to do and this is a legitimate
complaint this is not whining. I am suprised that you of all people
don't see that. personal attacks hurt even when they come in the
context of a thread . But when they come right out to the blue like
this man. I am not supposed to defend my self..
what would you do Gail if some one said you know that Gail wel she's
really stupid. what would you do.. just push killfile and forget about
it. Not say word , Not have anything to say in your own defensel. I
don't think so.
.

User: "Gayle"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	09 Aug 2006 09:34:30 PM

jill wrote:

Jester's mummy wrote:

On 8 Aug 2006 09:39:50 -0700, "jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

jill, you have the power to make Mark's posts disappear from your browser. It's
called "killfiling", and it really, really works.

Of course, if you'd rather play the "poor little me, I'm a victim" game, by all
means, go right ahead.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada

Um, I didn't write the post you're
responding to. Don't think I've been in
this thread at all.
Gayle
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	09 Aug 2006 09:40:10 PM

"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:8dGdnaubk-mlBkfZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@rcn.net...

jill wrote:

Jester's mummy wrote:

On 8 Aug 2006 09:39:50 -0700, "jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

<(((*>The dimond cutter mind the sword of gideon dripping with

righteous

<(((*>truth. You think condemning people and passing judgement is

your job.

<(((*> You think it sets you apart from the herd. You go around

hacking

<(((*>away at people convinced that nice is the same thing as weak.

You are

<(((*>the ***** encrusted tee shirt, you do it to yourself. Yelping

like a

<(((*>wounded bear when anyone claims you have made and error in

fairness.

<(((*>Is this swipe at me fair. How many times have you called me

stupid

<(((*>now. Two , Three, who's counting right,
<(((*> Jill the jelloee dim bulb who failed to score one point off

the

<(((*>mighty RGB who proved that he is a true warrior of truth.
<(((*> What is wrong with you , What happened to you that makes you

behave

<(((*>like this. Leave me alone.. And don't try to tell me this

wasn't

<(((*>about me. Thats another little tactic so nothing is ever your
<(((*>mistake. I am sorry your stupid. I am sorry you misunderstood.

What

<(((*>is wrong with you. Leave me alone. jill

jill, you have the power to make Mark's posts disappear from your

browser. It's

called "killfiling", and it really, really works.

Of course, if you'd rather play the "poor little me, I'm a victim" game,

by all

means, go right ahead.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada

Um, I didn't write the post you're
responding to. Don't think I've been in
this thread at all.

Gayle

if you're not part of the RGHarem ,
you're part of the problem
.

User: "jill"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	09 Aug 2006 06:34:37 AM

jill wrote:

Jester's mummy wrote:

On 8 Aug 2006 09:39:50 -0700, "jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote:

jill, you have the power to make Mark's posts disappear from your browser. It's
called "killfiling", and it really, really works.

Of course, if you'd rather play the "poor little me, I'm a victim" game, by all
means, go right ahead.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada

I do play the victim. I whine alot and it is sickening. I am not
doing that here though.
I am standing up for myself.
And for all the typing monkeys. Look how he immediately tries
to distance himself from that remark, he didn' t mean that either.
Jezzz , your right though it is upsetting and I am done being upset by
this. I will move on. I promise. Do you really think I am
wrong to stand up for myself?
.

User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	04 Aug 2006 02:05:04 AM

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:24:21 -0500, "Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net>
wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:vgs4d2dso9b3m7f09t7719a8v5059ejbqa@news.easynews.com...

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:49:25 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

what you've got here isn't a man/woman difference, but a person/person
difference. things can never work out with someone you only like with
their
mouth shut, male or female. try to meet someone less controlling and more
compatible with your temperament and lifestyle.

Like a female scientist.

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL? Is it
true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than the average?

You work at a college, right? Aren't there female professors, or at least
a network of professors containing suitable females?
But who knows, you might be better off with the artist if you can get her
to understand your point of view. Good things can come from opposite
pairings. Maybe her art can inspire your thinking, and your thinking can
inspire her art.
.

User: "Teilhard Knight"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	04 Aug 2006 04:51:09 AM

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:24:21 -0500, "Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net>
wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:49:25 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

what you've got here isn't a man/woman difference, but a person/person
difference. things can never work out with someone you only like with
their
mouth shut, male or female. try to meet someone less controlling and
more
compatible with your temperament and lifestyle.

Like a female scientist.

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL? Is
it
true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than the average?

You work at a college, right? Aren't there female professors, or at least
a network of professors containing suitable females?

But who knows, you might be better off with the artist if you can get her
to understand your point of view. Good things can come from opposite
pairings. Maybe her art can inspire your thinking, and your thinking can
inspire her art.

Not everything is professional life. I worry about the possible day to day
life together and here it is where I don't think it will work. We think on
different abstraction levels. Actually, I am putting and end to this
relationship.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	04 Aug 2006 04:55:20 AM

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:24:21 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"

<teilhk@privacy.net>

wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:49:25 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

what you've got here isn't a man/woman difference, but a person/person
difference. things can never work out with someone you only like with
their
mouth shut, male or female. try to meet someone less controlling and
more
compatible with your temperament and lifestyle.

Like a female scientist.

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL? Is
it
true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than the

average?

You work at a college, right? Aren't there female professors, or at

least

a network of professors containing suitable females?

But who knows, you might be better off with the artist if you can get

her

to understand your point of view. Good things can come from opposite
pairings. Maybe her art can inspire your thinking, and your thinking

can

inspire her art.

Not everything is professional life. I worry about the possible day to day
life together and here it is where I don't think it will work. We think on
different abstraction levels. Actually, I am putting and end to this
relationship.

--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial

----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind

i'm glad you didn't date your Pdoc ,
she's not very good at sex , i guess its not her thing
.

User: "Teilhard Knight"
Title: Re: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus	04 Aug 2006 05:29:47 AM

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:24:21 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"

<teilhk@privacy.net>

wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:49:25 -0400, "cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:

what you've got here isn't a man/woman difference, but a
person/person
difference. things can never work out with someone you only like with
their
mouth shut, male or female. try to meet someone less controlling and
more
compatible with your temperament and lifestyle.

Like a female scientist.

How comes I find many women with brains here in ASD and not in my RL?
Is
it
true that depressives are, in average, more intelligent than the

average?

You work at a college, right? Aren't there female professors, or at

least

a network of professors containing suitable females?

But who knows, you might be better off with the artist if you can get

her

to understand your point of view. Good things can come from opposite
pairings. Maybe her art can inspire your thinking, and your thinking

can

inspire her art.

Not everything is professional life. I worry about the possible day to
day
life together and here it is where I don't think it will work. We think
on
different abstraction levels. Actually, I am putting and end to this
relationship.

--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial

----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind

i'm glad you didn't date your Pdoc ,
she's not very good at sex , i guess its not her thing

I still have to find out. She is my main target now. Painters, bah!
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
----------------------------------------------------------
I am not screwed up .......... It's all in my mind
.