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Sociology > Depression |
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"sortalilyagain" |
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04 Mar 2005 10:16:06 AM |
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more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
okay i read the book. and whiile i like john irving. i liked the book..
one thing did annoy me.
he seemed to slam home the 'pro-choice' mantra with a friggin hammer. i mean
this book took place in the first half of the 20th century. and he was
using sloagns from now-a-days.
i wish he could have told the story with out the proabortion slogan-a-ramma.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
04 Mar 2005 10:57:22 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:16:06 -0500, sortalilyagain wrote:
okay i read the book. and whiile i like john irving. i liked the
book.. one thing did annoy me.
he seemed to slam home the 'pro-choice' mantra with a friggin hammer.
Damn, an author had an opinion... the hell you say.
i mean this book took place in the first half of the 20th century. and
he was using sloagns from now-a-days.
Well, that's just bad writing.
i wish he could have told the story with out the proabortion
slogan-a-ramma.
No one is pro-abortion... that's just stupid to think that.
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Life is short, but wide. -KV
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
04 Mar 2005 11:32:17 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:57:22 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
No one is pro-abortion... that's just stupid to think that.
I don't buy that. I'm sure there are a disturbing number of bottom of the
barrel doctors who are pro-abortion. It's a specialty that attracts people
who maybe shouldn't not have graduated from medical school.
And anyone who counsels a young pregnant woman and essentially tells her
that her life will be much better if she loses the kid is pro-abortion.
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"'Stupid' means one thing: threatening to the interests of the Democratic
Party. The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and
hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be."
- Ann Coulter
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
04 Mar 2005 12:35:00 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:32:17 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:57:22 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
No one is pro-abortion... that's just stupid to think that.
I don't buy that. I'm sure there are a disturbing number of bottom of
the barrel doctors who are pro-abortion. It's a specialty that attracts
people who maybe shouldn't not have graduated from medical school.
Ah... forever the devils advocate Droog. Don't think it's not appreciated.
Yes, I should preface my statement as meaning "patient", not "doctor", or
"severely screwed up wack-job that enjoys having medical procedures
performed on themselves" (sorry, I don't know the medical term for that
condition). Though, I don't think this group would constitute a
significant portion of the voting public.
And anyone who counsels a young pregnant woman and essentially tells her
that her life will be much better if she loses the kid is pro-abortion.
Anyone that counsels anyone into having any medical procedure performed on
them with disregard to the patients wishes obviously has serious ethical
issues. This is, however, not exclusive to abortion... drug rehab programs
that force religion onto their patients comes to mind.
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Life is short, but wide. -KV
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
04 Mar 2005 01:23:26 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:35:00 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:32:17 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
And anyone who counsels a young pregnant woman and essentially tells her
that her life will be much better if she loses the kid is pro-abortion.
Anyone that counsels anyone into having any medical procedure performed on
them with disregard to the patients wishes obviously has serious ethical
issues. This is, however, not exclusive to abortion... drug rehab programs
that force religion onto their patients comes to mind.
With disregard for the patients wishes, certainly. But with abortion I see
a tendency to sway the patients opinion a particular way. I suppose it can
be argued that both sides do that. But then it is elective surgery - to
sway the patient's opinion towards it because of political views seems
disturbing. (That is in the majority of cases where it *is* elective.
Well, it's always elective, but sometimes necessary to save the mother's
life.)
Drug rehab... don't get me started. What is even worse is that, in America
at least, the government can force religion on a person under that cloak.
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REASONABLE, adj. Accessible to the infection of our own opinions.
Hospitable to persuasion, dissuasion and evasion.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
04 Mar 2005 02:10:57 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:23:26 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:35:00 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:32:17 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
And anyone who counsels a young pregnant woman and essentially tells
her that her life will be much better if she loses the kid is
pro-abortion.
Anyone that counsels anyone into having any medical procedure performed
on them with disregard to the patients wishes obviously has serious
ethical issues. This is, however, not exclusive to abortion... drug
rehab programs that force religion onto their patients comes to mind.
With disregard for the patients wishes, certainly. But with abortion I
see a tendency to sway the patients opinion a particular way.
I haven't seen that from the medical community... but then I've never been
on the counseling end of that issue.
I suppose it can be argued that both sides do that.
Yes, it can. The extremists sides of any argument are always fundamentally
wrong.
But then it is elective surgery - to sway the patient's opinion towards
it because of political views seems disturbing. (That is in the majority
of cases where it *is* elective. Well, it's always elective, but
sometimes necessary to save the mother's life.)
That's why organizations like planned parenthood are valuable.
Drug rehab... don't get me started. What is even worse is that, in
America at least, the government can force religion on a person under
that cloak.
No kidding! Was that $20 billion to faith based programs I heard last
week?
So much for the Constitution... well, no one was using it anyway.
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Life is short, but wide. -KV
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| User: "AlvinTChase" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
05 Mar 2005 09:33:36 AM |
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Ivan Marsh wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:23:26 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
Yes, it can. The extremists sides of any argument are always
fundamentally
wrong.
I like that idea...While I'm emotionally drawn to the extreme left
wing on probably every issue(and I wish emotionally that everyone felt
like me)...I have the feeling that the most logical,healthy ideas are
probably in the center,and that the further away you get from the
center,the more influenced you are by you're own issues...I guess
though that we're going so far to the right in the U.S. these days that
we'd need to get more left wing to get to the center...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
05 Mar 2005 10:29:36 AM |
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On 5 Mar 2005 07:33:36 -0800, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
I like that idea...While I'm emotionally drawn to the extreme left
wing on probably every issue(and I wish emotionally that everyone felt
like me)...I have the feeling that the most logical,healthy ideas are
probably in the center,and that the further away you get from the
center,the more influenced you are by you're own issues...I guess
though that we're going so far to the right in the U.S. these days that
we'd need to get more left wing to get to the center...
Why choose between authoritarianism and totalitarianism? The middle isn't
always healthy. A glass containing half water and half cyanide will kill
you just as surely as a full glass of cyanide.
--
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to
harass rich women than motorcycle gangs.
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| User: "Wohali" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
05 Mar 2005 05:45:00 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
<snipped all but sig>
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People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to
harass rich women than motorcycle gangs.
LOL!
Wohali, laughing vegan
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
05 Mar 2005 11:52:23 AM |
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In message <iinj21pjgasu4u2dcrnktu98u2optp2svm@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On 5 Mar 2005 07:33:36 -0800, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
I like that idea...While I'm emotionally drawn to the extreme left
wing on probably every issue(and I wish emotionally that everyone felt
like me)...I have the feeling that the most logical,healthy ideas are
probably in the center,and that the further away you get from the
center,the more influenced you are by you're own issues...I guess
though that we're going so far to the right in the U.S. these days that
we'd need to get more left wing to get to the center...
Why choose between authoritarianism and totalitarianism? The middle isn't
always healthy. A glass containing half water and half cyanide will kill
you just as surely as a full glass of cyanide.
Is it possible to be totalitarian without being authoritarian?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: more on the cider house rules -- spoiler abortion |
06 Mar 2005 01:13:36 AM |
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:52:23 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <iinj21pjgasu4u2dcrnktu98u2optp2svm@4ax.com>, CyberDroog
Why choose between authoritarianism and totalitarianism? The middle isn't
always healthy. A glass containing half water and half cyanide will kill
you just as surely as a full glass of cyanide.
Is it possible to be totalitarian without being authoritarian?
Yes, in the context of the usual left/right wing theory of politics, which
defines totalitarianism as communism/socialism, and authoritarianism as
fascism.
Not very accurate, but that seems to be the way most people think. If only
they knew just how left-wing fascism really is...
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POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of
principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
- Ambrose Bierce
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