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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "yuluwirri"
Date: 09 May 2006 03:49:29 PM
Object: More thoughts (SP)
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Spoiler - Self harm
I can also remember that it was a way to physically show people how
much pain I was in. It was a way to convert the pain into something
tangible, something that I could look at and feel and understand.
When my doc stopped worrying about me self-harming, when the struggle
to *not* self-harm was taken away, then the power of it started to
fade (very slowly I might add, but fade it did).
I could cut all I liked and I wasn't going to be reprimanded, I wasn't
going to be put in hospital, I wasn't going to get any attention for
it, I wasn't going to be shamed into stopping it.
That's not to say that there isn't a strong chemical component to
these urges either. Yes, indeed I do believe that there is some sort
of short-circuit going on inside the old brain.
I also believe that it is closely linked to anger. Anger towards
oneself, or towards another person. I am so angry with myself because
I am such an awful/stupid/useless/selfish/etc person. Or, I am so very
angry with my husband/doctor/mother/father etc. I cannot express that
anger in a safe way, or in a way that I know about yet, so I will cut
myself and express it in the safest most reliable way I know about
now.
Shame, anger, attention/love, brain chemistry. These are the four
crucial parts to the puzzle of disarming the self-harm urge imho.
It can be done. I've done it. However it can come back. I don't know
if one is ever "cured" of it, but it is wonderful to not have to deal
with the outcome of a slashed up arm on a putridly hot summer's day.
People do look and ask questions and the excuses wear pretty thin
after awhile.
Best of luck with it. I feel for everyone who has this problem. It is
not a simple thing to overcome but rather a set of complex issues that
need to be worked on one at a time.
--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~
yuluwirri@hotmail.com
.

User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: More thoughts (SP) 09 May 2006 04:40:58 PM
yuluwirri wrote...

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Spoiler - Self harm


I can also remember that it was a way to physically show
people how much pain I was in. It was a way to convert the
pain into something tangible, something that I could look
at and feel and understand.

When my doc stopped worrying about me self-harming, when
the struggle to *not* self-harm was taken away, then the
power of it started to fade (very slowly I might add, but
fade it did).

I could cut all I liked and I wasn't going to be
reprimanded, I wasn't going to be put in hospital, I wasn't
going to get any attention for it, I wasn't going to be
shamed into stopping it.

That's not to say that there isn't a strong chemical
component to these urges either. Yes, indeed I do believe
that there is some sort of short-circuit going on inside
the old brain.

I also believe that it is closely linked to anger. Anger
towards oneself, or towards another person. I am so angry
with myself because I am such an
awful/stupid/useless/selfish/etc person. Or, I am so very
angry with my husband/doctor/mother/father etc. I cannot
express that anger in a safe way, or in a way that I know
about yet, so I will cut myself and express it in the
safest most reliable way I know about now.

Shame, anger, attention/love, brain chemistry. These are
the four crucial parts to the puzzle of disarming the
self-harm urge imho.

It can be done. I've done it. However it can come back. I
don't know if one is ever "cured" of it, but it is
wonderful to not have to deal with the outcome of a slashed
up arm on a putridly hot summer's day. People do look and
ask questions and the excuses wear pretty thin after
awhile.

Best of luck with it. I feel for everyone who has this
problem. It is not a simple thing to overcome but rather a
set of complex issues that need to be worked on one at a
time.

thanks so much for your thoughts. i value them, and your
caring.
i'm glad that, unlike many people, that attention-seeking has
never played any part in my cutting. in the real world, i
never discuss or show it outside of a therapeutic setting. as
a teen, i cut for over a year before my mother (or anyone)
found out, and they would not have known had i not tried to
take my life.
it is all mixed up with anger and shame, as well as being
simple anesthesia. the anger is all directed toward self, like
the shame. i need to know why i'm so angry with myself before
i can start to heal. it also only comes up when i'm in serious
emotional distress. when i feel ok, or even better, i stop
cutting. it takes no effort nor forethought then. i'll just
realise that i haven't cut for a week or more, rather than
daily. the more disregulated my emotions, the more i feel the
need to cut. when my meds were adjusted well, i had no desire
at all.
i have a lot of work to do on this.
-lisa
.
User: "yuluwirri"

Title: Re: More thoughts (SP) 09 May 2006 04:58:03 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On 9 May 2006 21:40:58 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:

Spoiler - Self harm


I can also remember that it was a way to physically show
people how much pain I was in. It was a way to convert the
pain into something tangible, something that I could look
at and feel and understand.

When my doc stopped worrying about me self-harming, when
the struggle to *not* self-harm was taken away, then the
power of it started to fade (very slowly I might add, but
fade it did).

I could cut all I liked and I wasn't going to be
reprimanded, I wasn't going to be put in hospital, I wasn't
going to get any attention for it, I wasn't going to be
shamed into stopping it.

That's not to say that there isn't a strong chemical
component to these urges either. Yes, indeed I do believe
that there is some sort of short-circuit going on inside
the old brain.

I also believe that it is closely linked to anger. Anger
towards oneself, or towards another person. I am so angry
with myself because I am such an
awful/stupid/useless/selfish/etc person. Or, I am so very
angry with my husband/doctor/mother/father etc. I cannot
express that anger in a safe way, or in a way that I know
about yet, so I will cut myself and express it in the
safest most reliable way I know about now.

Shame, anger, attention/love, brain chemistry. These are
the four crucial parts to the puzzle of disarming the
self-harm urge imho.

It can be done. I've done it. However it can come back. I
don't know if one is ever "cured" of it, but it is
wonderful to not have to deal with the outcome of a slashed
up arm on a putridly hot summer's day. People do look and
ask questions and the excuses wear pretty thin after
awhile.

Best of luck with it. I feel for everyone who has this
problem. It is not a simple thing to overcome but rather a
set of complex issues that need to be worked on one at a
time.

Hi again :)

thanks so much for your thoughts. i value them, and your
caring.

No worries. It's a pleasure. If I can help in any small way...........

i'm glad that, unlike many people, that attention-seeking has
never played any part in my cutting. in the real world, i
never discuss or show it outside of a therapeutic setting.

Nor did I. (my arms were bare during Summer as it would have attracted
more attention had I been wearing love sleeves in the stifling heat
you see).
However, the therp is paying you attention.
What if you are not even aware of that side of yourself that is
craving a little attention, a little bit of love and caring?
Would you please just think about it a wee little bit and see if there
is anything there hiding inside that might come out with a little
prodding?
If not, well then that part can be finally and absolutely struck off
the list. I just have this strong intuition that it may be something
that you are not even aware of.

as
a teen, i cut for over a year before my mother (or anyone)
found out, and they would not have known had i not tried to
take my life.

This is so very sad. Even the fact that they didn't notice your arms
makes me feel sad inside. (I'm sorry there is no excuse for this-
given that you were doing it for one whole year)

it is all mixed up with anger and shame, as well as being
simple anesthesia. the anger is all directed toward self, like
the shame. i need to know why i'm so angry with myself before
i can start to heal.

Yes! This is the crux of the matter.

it also only comes up when i'm in serious
emotional distress. when i feel ok, or even better, i stop
cutting. it takes no effort nor forethought then. i'll just
realise that i haven't cut for a week or more, rather than
daily. the more disregulated my emotions, the more i feel the
need to cut. when my meds were adjusted well, i had no desire
at all.

Exactly the same here. I had no desire, didn't think about it, didn't
even enter my mind.

i have a lot of work to do on this.

You do, and we will be here to help you or to listen whatever helps.
That bloody anger part is one of the hardest bits I reckon. The
"loving yourself" part gets easier over time.
You never know mate, one day you may not even need those damned
tablets to feel better. It is possible I reckon.
Hang in there...
G xoxox

-lisa

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~
yuluwirri@hotmail.com
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: More thoughts (SP) 09 May 2006 05:08:11 PM
yuluwirri wrote...

i have a lot of work to do on this.


You do, and we will be here to help you or to listen
whatever helps. That bloody anger part is one of the
hardest bits I reckon. The "loving yourself" part gets
easier over time.

i've been working on it for 6 or 7 years. it seems no closer.


You never know mate, one day you may not even need those
damned tablets to feel better. It is possible I reckon.

only if there's an alternative treatment. apparently, if
prednisone-triggered depression lasts this long, it's mine for
life.

Hang in there...

thanks. working on it...
and i will talk to my therp about the attention part. i doubt
he'll let go. cutting scares the crap out of him. i'm not sure
it's possible for him to not react.
-lisa
.
User: "yuluwirri"

Title: Re: More thoughts (SP) 09 May 2006 05:29:53 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On 9 May 2006 22:08:11 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:

i have a lot of work to do on this.


You do, and we will be here to help you or to listen
whatever helps. That bloody anger part is one of the
hardest bits I reckon. The "loving yourself" part gets
easier over time.


i've been working on it for 6 or 7 years. it seems no closer.

It does take an enormously long time to heal I will agree, but you
never know when the break-through might happen.


You never know mate, one day you may not even need those
damned tablets to feel better. It is possible I reckon.


only if there's an alternative treatment. apparently, if
prednisone-triggered depression lasts this long, it's mine for
life.

I refuse to believe it. You were depressed during your teenage years,
and the prednisone triggered you back there. I do believe there is
hope. I can't afford not to believe. I hope you understand.


Hang in there...


thanks. working on it...

I know you are.

and i will talk to my therp about the attention part. i doubt
he'll let go. cutting scares the crap out of him. i'm not sure
it's possible for him to not react.

Then that is *his* issue and he will need to deal with it. If it is
not helping his patient, he will need to get some supervision to
overcome his strong reaction to your cutting. It's his
counter-transference and not your problem.
You have enough on your plate without a therapist getting all worked
up over your cutting. It will only add fuel to your already burning
hot fire. (Yes, I know you care about him and he is a good therapist
and all, but this is really important imho).
Okay, rant over. I had better get my butt off this chair and do some
work before music lessons. I'm putting off feeling my own feelings too
and need to do some work on myself. It's easier to dispense advice
than to take it yourself sometimes eh? :)
You take care mate,
G xox

-lisa

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~
yuluwirri@hotmail.com
.





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