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"Thomas Dehn" |
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22 Feb 2004 09:40:53 AM |
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Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
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Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
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22 Feb 2004 12:28:28 PM |
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Go Nader!
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Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
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Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
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22 Feb 2004 01:03:53 PM |
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Nom dePlume wrote:
Go Nader!
heh, Republicans love Nader.
Jean
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
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Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
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22 Feb 2004 10:09:48 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, "Thomas Dehn"
<thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
Good.
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23 Feb 2004 03:22:35 PM |
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Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net> wrote in message news:<32lh30d750vpjemrrrh1svcjp0gfr7hjpt@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, "Thomas Dehn"
<thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
Good.
good?I think it's terrible...I just hope what happened in 2000 is not repeated!!!
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23 Feb 2004 03:31:23 PM |
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alvintchase wrote:
Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net> wrote in message
news:<32lh30d750vpjemrrrh1svcjp0gfr7hjpt@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, "Thomas Dehn"
<thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
Good.
good?I think it's terrible...I just hope what happened in 2000 is
not repeated!!!
Charles is a republican alvin! :)
It won't happen again, or if it does, shame on American Democrats!
Ralph Nader, jeez, he needs to retire or something.
Jean
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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23 Feb 2004 04:46:13 PM |
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Luna <jean_collins@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
good?I think it's terrible...I just hope what happened in 2000 is
not repeated!!!
Charles is a republican alvin! :)
It won't happen again, or if it does, shame on American Democrats!
Ralph Nader, jeez, he needs to retire or something.
I'm just guessing really but I think the fact that he has to run as an
independent this time will mean that he won't get near the number of votes
he got in 2000. Plus, he will have to lay out a lot of his own cash to get
on state's ballots as an independent. Ross Perot spent approximately $5
million dollars doing it in 1996. So it's possible that Nader will not even
be on some state ballots.
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| User: "Charles" |
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23 Feb 2004 04:39:33 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:31:23 -0500, "Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com>
wrote:
good?I think it's terrible...I just hope what happened in 2000 is
not repeated!!!
Charles is a republican alvin! :)
It won't happen again, or if it does, shame on American Democrats!
Ralph Nader, jeez, he needs to retire or something.
Jean
Yep, I am, but a strange, obsolete one. I don't think much of the
current administration and I voted for Nader last time. My way of
saying "None of the others."
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23 Feb 2004 07:12:23 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:31:23 -0500, Luna wrote:
It won't happen again, or if it does, shame on American Democrats!
Ralph Nader, jeez, he needs to retire or something.
Actualy, most of the people I knew who voted for Nader would not consider
themselves Democrats. They tended to be farther left than the left-most
Democrats. Most were socialists, communists, anarchists, and
left-libertarians. I doubt that many of them would have even voted had
Nader not been in the race. I still have a lot of problems with
Capitalism and classical liberalism, but I'm going to hold my nose this
time and go with the Democrats.
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22 Feb 2004 12:37:46 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to vote
for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting Democrat now
that Dean is out of the race. I don't think it's fair to say that Nader
is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid points regarding the
American political system which need to be voiced in the public forum
provided by the national media. The same major corporations give huge
amounts of money to both parties. The the mainstream RNC and DNC figures
really are too much alike for my comfort. Democrats are all too willing
to compromise with Republicans on issues that left-wing base feels
strongly about. If anything, Nader's candidacy will force the democratic
candidate to guard his left flank.
I doubt that Nader will get 1/10th of the votes he did in 2000 anyway.
Many old school big government loving, corporation hating, bleeding heart
liberal democrats (such as myself) who were troubled by Gore's centrist
"Clinton Democrat" leanings will have no problem Voting for Kerry or
Edwards. Many of the radicals who reject major party politics in general
will still hold their noses and vote for anyone but Bush, who is easily
the worst president the US has seen since Hoover. Many of Nader's mantras
from 2000 have already been picked up by democratic candidates anyway.
Edwards has embraced his anti-NAFTA/WTO rhetoric, for example.
Regardless of who gets the Democratic nomination, I'm planing on putting
as much volunteer time in supporting their campaign as I did Nader's last
time.
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| User: "Luna" |
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22 Feb 2004 12:44:31 PM |
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Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to
vote for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting
Democrat now that Dean is out of the race. I don't think it's fair
to say that Nader is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid
points regarding the American political system which need to be
voiced in the public forum provided by the national media. The same
major corporations give huge amounts of money to both parties. The
the mainstream RNC and DNC figures really are too much alike for my
comfort. Democrats are all too willing to compromise with
Republicans on issues that left-wing base feels strongly about. If
anything, Nader's candidacy will force the democratic candidate to
guard his left flank.
No kidding. Democrats around the country are gritting their teeth.
Hell, if
it hadn't been for Nader, Gore would be president right now.
Jean
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| User: "Janithor" |
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22 Feb 2004 03:25:25 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Luna wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to
vote for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting
Democrat now that Dean is out of the race. I don't think it's fair
to say that Nader is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid
points regarding the American political system which need to be
voiced in the public forum provided by the national media. The same
major corporations give huge amounts of money to both parties. The
the mainstream RNC and DNC figures really are too much alike for my
comfort. Democrats are all too willing to compromise with
Republicans on issues that left-wing base feels strongly about. If
anything, Nader's candidacy will force the democratic candidate to
guard his left flank.
No kidding. Democrats around the country are gritting their teeth.
Hell, if
it hadn't been for Nader, Gore would be president right now.
Jean
Yup. Ditto Perot in '92. If Americans want a multiparty system, we
need to change the mathematics of how people are elected.
Winner-take-all districts force a 2-party system. Voting for a 3rd
party will always be a wasted vote (almost, there are less than a
handful of candidates on the national scene who have won.)
Even in San Francisco you have a 2 party system. In the recent mayoral
election you had a choice between the conservative party aka the
Democrats, and the liberal party, aka the Greens.
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| User: "Kelly" |
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22 Feb 2004 02:39:34 PM |
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in article pan.2004.02.22.18.32.58.251324@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet, Velvet
Elvis at gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet wrote on 2/22/04 1:37 PM:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to vote
for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting Democrat now
that Dean is out of the race.<
Yeah, I'm still sad about Howard. I thought he was the one. But he impacted
the flavor and momentum of the race in an important way.
I don't think it's fair to say that Nader
is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid points regarding the
American political system which need to be voiced in the public forum
provided by the national media. The same major corporations give huge
amounts of money to both parties. The the mainstream RNC and DNC figures
really are too much alike for my comfort. Democrats are all too willing
to compromise with Republicans on issues that left-wing base feels
strongly about. If anything, Nader's candidacy will force the democratic
candidate to guard his left flank.<
Maybe so. But as the cliché goes, if you're not part of the solution you're
part of the problem, and right now there are a staggering number of problems
that will not be solved by running a critique of the two party system
disguised as a campaign [I know you know this, and I apologize if it sounds
like I'm snapping at you, I just can't even think about Nader this week
without thinking "geez, what a self-serving *****."]
I doubt that Nader will get 1/10th of the votes he did in 2000 anyway.
Many old school big government loving, corporation hating, bleeding heart
liberal democrats (such as myself) who were troubled by Gore's centrist
"Clinton Democrat" leanings will have no problem Voting for Kerry or
Edwards. Many of the radicals who reject major party politics in general
will still hold their noses and vote for anyone but Bush, who is easily
the worst president the US has seen since Hoover. Many of Nader's mantras
from 2000 have already been picked up by democratic candidates anyway.
Edwards has embraced his anti-NAFTA/WTO rhetoric, for example.<
Agreed,all of it. One of the things that pisses me off most about Bush is
that his tenure has turned a lot of otherwise thoughtful people into raging
reactionaries. I realized that my dislike had reached perverse proportions
when the Rev. Al started making sense to me as a viable candidate, if
through some strange twist of reality he surged to the top of the primary
race. That, and the moment I realized that I look back on the George HW
administration with a kind of fond nostalgia.
Regardless of who gets the Democratic nomination, I'm planing on putting
as much volunteer time in supporting their campaign as I did Nader's last
time. <
Yeah, I'm going to try to do that too. I want to see the Democratic party,
such that it is, emerge in November with the ferocity of a two-hundred foot
lion. I want GW and the gang to feel the intensity of the rage.
Kelly
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23 Feb 2004 07:03:57 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:39:34 +0000, Kelly wrote:
X-no-archive:yes
in article pan.2004.02.22.18.32.58.251324@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet, Velvet
Elvis at gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet wrote on 2/22/04 1:37 PM:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to vote
for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting Democrat now
that Dean is out of the race.<
Yeah, I'm still sad about Howard. I thought he was the one. But he impacted
the flavor and momentum of the race in an important way.
I don't think it's fair to say that Nader
is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid points regarding the
American political system which need to be voiced in the public forum
provided by the national media. The same major corporations give huge
amounts of money to both parties. The the mainstream RNC and DNC figures
really are too much alike for my comfort. Democrats are all too willing
to compromise with Republicans on issues that left-wing base feels
strongly about. If anything, Nader's candidacy will force the democratic
candidate to guard his left flank.<
Maybe so. But as the cliché goes, if you're not part of the solution you're
part of the problem, and right now there are a staggering number of problems
that will not be solved by running a critique of the two party system
disguised as a campaign [I know you know this, and I apologize if it sounds
like I'm snapping at you, I just can't even think about Nader this week
without thinking "geez, what a self-serving *****."]
*Shrug*
I see him portraying some of the same virtues that made Dean an attractive
candidate. He's acting on his beliefs regardless of what others say. I'm
not going to vote for him, but I'm not going to hold his campaign against
him either.
I doubt that Nader will get 1/10th of the votes he did in 2000 anyway.
Many old school big government loving, corporation hating, bleeding heart
liberal democrats (such as myself) who were troubled by Gore's centrist
"Clinton Democrat" leanings will have no problem Voting for Kerry or
Edwards. Many of the radicals who reject major party politics in general
will still hold their noses and vote for anyone but Bush, who is easily
the worst president the US has seen since Hoover. Many of Nader's mantras
from 2000 have already been picked up by democratic candidates anyway.
Edwards has embraced his anti-NAFTA/WTO rhetoric, for example.<
Agreed,all of it. One of the things that pisses me off most about Bush is
that his tenure has turned a lot of otherwise thoughtful people into raging
reactionaries. I realized that my dislike had reached perverse proportions
when the Rev. Al started making sense to me as a viable candidate, if
through some strange twist of reality he surged to the top of the primary
race. That, and the moment I realized that I look back on the George HW
administration with a kind of fond nostalgia.
In a similar note, Nader has said that the Bush administration has a lot
of progressives so freaked out that they have forgotten how bad the
Clinton/Gore administration was. I'm more inclined to believe that
progressives who had problems with Clinton/Gore are now realizing their
previous objections were fairly petty.
Anyway. I"m feeling too crappy to get into a debate right now.
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23 Feb 2004 07:05:05 PM |
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Velvet Elvis <gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet> spake thusly:
Anyway. I"m feeling too crappy to get into a debate right now.
I can definitely relate to this. I'm in no shape at all to be trying to
debate anyone on any subject right now.
--
Bible Gateway Bible study tools:
http://bible.gospelcom.net/tools/
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22 Feb 2004 02:13:14 PM |
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it is fair to say Nadar is supporting Bush 100%. Whats best for public
interest? Why does Nadar insist on wasting resources for the Democrats?
"Velvet Elvis" <gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.22.18.32.58.251324@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to vote
for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting Democrat now
that Dean is out of the race. I don't think it's fair to say that Nader
is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid points regarding the
American political system which need to be voiced in the public forum
provided by the national media. The same major corporations give huge
amounts of money to both parties. The the mainstream RNC and DNC figures
really are too much alike for my comfort. Democrats are all too willing
to compromise with Republicans on issues that left-wing base feels
strongly about. If anything, Nader's candidacy will force the democratic
candidate to guard his left flank.
I doubt that Nader will get 1/10th of the votes he did in 2000 anyway.
Many old school big government loving, corporation hating, bleeding heart
liberal democrats (such as myself) who were troubled by Gore's centrist
"Clinton Democrat" leanings will have no problem Voting for Kerry or
Edwards. Many of the radicals who reject major party politics in general
will still hold their noses and vote for anyone but Bush, who is easily
the worst president the US has seen since Hoover. Many of Nader's mantras
from 2000 have already been picked up by democratic candidates anyway.
Edwards has embraced his anti-NAFTA/WTO rhetoric, for example.
Regardless of who gets the Democratic nomination, I'm planing on putting
as much volunteer time in supporting their campaign as I did Nader's last
time.
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| User: "Jack Stewart" |
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23 Feb 2004 01:53:16 PM |
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"juno7" <NoOneYouKnew@aol.com> wrote in message news:<u38_b.64426$1S1.39296@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
it is fair to say Nadar is supporting Bush 100%. Whats best for public
interest? Why does Nadar insist on wasting resources for the Democrats?
When I was stationed in Europe during the 70's I noticed that
Parliaments (i.e. legislatures) in Europe contained many
political parties.
At the time, I felt that this was due to some flaw in U.S.
society. I suspected that European culture was "older" and
maybe "more sophisticated" than the "newer" U.S. society.
Normally I don't think in those terms, but I had no other
answer. It was 1990 before someone explained to me that
the Europeans had learned that the U.S. system, with only one
candidate elected per district, tends to force a two party system
into existence.
See Duverger's law
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
I am not the only person to have noticed the difference in the number
of political parties in the U.S. and Europe. One older retired woman
overheard my partial explanation for this difference and started
grabbing me, to explain that she had also noticed the difference
many years ago and demanding that I repeat what I had just said.
After I had explained the reasoning, she started sobbing that she
"had always assumed that is was because the American people
were evil!"
The correct terminology for our system is the "single member district"
system. The European system is called the "multi member district"
system and each district usually has 20 legislative seats and
only five percent of the total vote is required to elect one candidate
from your political party. Under this system, there is no significant
"spoiler effect," and little need to vote for "the lesser of two evils."
http://www.fairvote.org/spoiler/
Not to mention that Gerrymandering become useless!
INFORMATION ON THE WEB
ABOUT
PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION
Center for Voting and Democracy
Proportional Representation
http://www.fairvote.org/pr/index.html
BOOK INFO
If you are like me and find reading large amounts of material
"off the web" very time consuming, then you might want to
check to see if your local local library has either of the following
books.
The newest non-technical books on Proportional Representation.
"Real Choices, New Voices",
by Douglas Amy, 1993.
"Reflecting all of us : the case for proportional representation,"
by Robert Richie, 1999, 96p
Behind the Ballot Box: A Citizen's Guide to Voting Systems
by Douglas J. Amy, Praeger Publishing, 2000
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22 Feb 2004 01:06:15 PM |
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"Velvet Elvis" <gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to vote
for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting Democrat now
that Dean is out of the race. I don't think it's fair to say that Nader
is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid points regarding the
American political system which need to be voiced in the public forum
provided by the national media.
Nader does have an opinion, and some valid points, yes.
But that does not take an inch away from the fact that
without Nader on the ballot in 2000, Gore
would have been elected. Great achievement for
the Green Party. Congrats, Mr. Nader.
Thomas
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22 Feb 2004 02:09:09 PM |
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in article c1aub7$1g1i3a$1@ID-57266.news.uni-berlin.de, Thomas Dehn at
thomas-usenet@arcor.de wrote on 2/22/04 2:06 PM:
Nader does have an opinion, and some valid points, yes.
But that does not take an inch away from the fact that
without Nader on the ballot in 2000, Gore
would have been elected.<
And many would say he was elected, but that's a conversational black hole
for another time.
Great achievement for
the Green Party. Congrats, Mr. Nader.
Yeah, really. It's good to know when to choose one's battles. Public
interest indeed. But I really don't think that he's going to create the stir
he did last time. Too many people are too desperate for change, and he's not
the one to bring it.
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22 Feb 2004 07:25:27 PM |
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"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:c1aub7$1g1i3a$1@ID-57266.news.uni-berlin.de...
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"Velvet Elvis" <gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
I voted for him the last time around. Out of guilt, I'm not going to
vote
for him this time, though I'm less enthusiastic about voting Democrat
now
that Dean is out of the race. I don't think it's fair to say that Nader
is "supporting" Bush though. He has many valid points regarding the
American political system which need to be voiced in the public forum
provided by the national media.
Nader does have an opinion, and some valid points, yes.
But that does not take an inch away from the fact that
without Nader on the ballot in 2000, Gore
would have been elected. Great achievement for
the Green Party. Congrats, Mr. Nader.
this time, nader is running as an independent, not for the green party.
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23 Feb 2004 01:11:00 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
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Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president, thus trying
to repeat his 2000 performance where he successfully supported Bush's
claim for the White House.
Let's see how much republican money the *****, sellout accepts this time
around.
Ralph Nader, "consumer advocate", has turned spoiling an election into a
profit business.
I'm all for a multi-party system... after all, there are no republicans or
democrats carved into Mt. Rushmore... but if you know you have NO chance
of winning, pull out of the race before the election.
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i.m.
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
23 Feb 2004 01:38:15 PM |
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Ivan Marsh wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:40:53 +0100, Thomas Dehn wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president, thus
trying to repeat his 2000 performance where he successfully
supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Let's see how much republican money the *****, sellout accepts this
time around.
Ralph Nader, "consumer advocate", has turned spoiling an election
into a profit business.
I'm all for a multi-party system... after all, there are no
republicans or democrats carved into Mt. Rushmore... but if you know
you have NO chance of winning, pull out of the race before the
election.
Hopefully the democrats have learned their lesson, and nobody will be
wasting any votes on him this time around.
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
22 Feb 2004 01:03:39 PM |
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Sound policy for a better America.
Either Bush is good for America and the Dems are bad, or
The Dems are too much like the GOP's to be any better.
If you really believe Bush is evil or stupid, you cannot seriously justify
voting for Kerry or Edwards. Dean? yeah, you could vote for Dean with a
clean heart, but voting for one of the others is delusional.
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E Sempre l'Ora
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"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:c1aia7$1fp0f3$1@ID-57266.news.uni-berlin.de...
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
23 Feb 2004 07:32:43 PM |
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"Hap Arnold" <CinCUSAAF@ghq.army.mil> wrote in message news:<g27_b.7577$rd2.1984@lakeread05>...
Sound policy for a better America.
Either Bush is good for America and the Dems are bad, or
The Dems are too much like the GOP's to be any better.
If you really believe Bush is evil or stupid, you cannot seriously justify
voting for Kerry or Edwards. Dean? yeah, you could vote for Dean with a
clean heart, but voting for one of the others is delusional.
--
E Sempre l'Ora
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I know it's kind of silly,but one thing about Bush that upset me was
his taste in movies...I read an article that said he disliked complex
movies,he liked only very simple movies that are very black and
white,very straightfoward.he was very angry about having to watch
"Conspiracy theory" because it was too complex....I happen to like
complex,ambiguous art movies...
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
23 Feb 2004 11:48:09 AM |
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"Hap Arnold" <CinCUSAAF@ghq.army.mil> wrote in message news:<g27_b.7577$rd2.1984@lakeread05>...
Sound policy for a better America.
Either Bush is good for America and the Dems are bad, or
The Dems are too much like the GOP's to be any better.
If you really believe Bush is evil or stupid, you cannot seriously justify
voting for Kerry or Edwards. Dean? yeah, you could vote for Dean with a
clean heart, but voting for one of the others is delusional.
--
E Sempre l'Ora
you don't believe in voting for the "lesser of 2 evils"?
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"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:c1aia7$1fp0f3$1@ID-57266.news.uni-berlin.de...
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
Thomas
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
23 Feb 2004 06:46:04 PM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1029ba7.0402230948.33c4f03e@posting.google.com...
"Hap Arnold" <CinCUSAAF@ghq.army.mil> wrote in message
news:<g27_b.7577$rd2.1984@lakeread05>...
Sound policy for a better America.
Either Bush is good for America and the Dems are bad, or
The Dems are too much like the GOP's to be any better.
If you really believe Bush is evil or stupid, you cannot seriously
justify
voting for Kerry or Edwards. Dean? yeah, you could vote for Dean with a
clean heart, but voting for one of the others is delusional.
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E Sempre l'Ora
you don't believe in voting for the "lesser of 2 evils"?
Never.
Never have, never will.
Although, I will vote for candidates who are unopposed... it never dawned on
me until now that that might be a bad thing. Hmmmm. I will think about
that until November, I guess.
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E Sempre l'Ora
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
22 Feb 2004 01:26:06 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
"Hap Arnold" <CinCUSAAF@ghq.army.mil> wrote:
Sound policy for a better America.
Either Bush is good for America and the Dems are bad, or
The Dems are too much like the GOP's to be any better.
If you really believe Bush is evil or stupid, you cannot seriously justify
voting for Kerry or Edwards.
I would assume that while Nader would still consider
Kerry to be a bad US president, he would
prefer Kerry over four more years of Bush.
The way the US election system works, there
is no way Nader will be elected US president in 2004.
Thomas
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
22 Feb 2004 09:57:43 AM |
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
haha, yep, pretty much. With friends like Nader...
Jean
Thomas
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| User: "Ik mag het zeggen van Walter" |
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| Title: Re: Nader to support Bush in 2004 (spoiler: politics) |
22 Feb 2004 12:40:47 PM |
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Ralph Nader just announced that he will run for president,
thus trying to repeat his 2000 performance where
he successfully supported Bush's claim for the White House.
No doubt Nader is paid by Bush
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