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20 Feb 2004 08:14:45 AM |
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"Dan Hall" <drhall@dmci.net> wrote in message news:<1039s9vnv4pkna4@corp.supernews.com>...
Total bunk. If you want to help your aging mom, get her some real
professional care.
-Dan
Ok...what would you suggest. I`ve never been on this newsgroup before, so
fill me in. Aren`t things like SSRI`s just like taping over the warning
lights. Is some sort of professional analyst (a psychoanalist?) the ticket
or is self analysis (meditation?) a better way to go...
Help me out here.....thanks...Paul
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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20 Feb 2004 09:48:43 AM |
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In the end it is all self-analysis.
Most people are going to find it useful to have psycho-analyst to guide them
around, especially at the start.
My suggestions for anyone with depressive symptoms:
Step1. Complete physical. (Lyme disease, endocrine screen, liver and kidney
function, Epstein-Barr virus, etc a lot of purely physical problems can
cause depressive symptoms.)
Step2. Psychologist evaluation for possible medical treatments, short or
long term. ( There are a lot of standardized tests that can provide clues
to best treatment options, as well there are psychologists who specialize in
diagnostics and infrequently treat patients.)
Step3. Analysis, therapy, self-help books, etc. (The dx'ng MD can point you
to a therapist or another psychologist who can both deal with your "style"
of learning or developing and who can treat your illness effectively.)
Of course if you already know an analyst you want to work with you can
re-arrange things to suit, likewise if you have an author or book you want
to use.
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E Sempre l'Ora
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"Paul Couvrette" <paul@couvrette-photography.on.ca> wrote in message
news:7a1fca5c.0402200614.7184ee84@posting.google.com...
"Dan Hall" <drhall@dmci.net> wrote in message
news:<1039s9vnv4pkna4@corp.supernews.com>...
Total bunk. If you want to help your aging mom, get her some real
professional care.
-Dan
Ok...what would you suggest. I`ve never been on this newsgroup before, so
fill me in. Aren`t things like SSRI`s just like taping over the warning
lights. Is some sort of professional analyst (a psychoanalist?) the ticket
or is self analysis (meditation?) a better way to go...
Help me out here.....thanks...Paul
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| User: "Paul Couvrette" |
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20 Feb 2004 01:17:40 PM |
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Step1. Complete physical. (Lyme disease, endocrine screen, liver and kidney
function, Epstein-Barr virus, etc a lot of purely physical problems can
cause depressive symptoms.)
Interesting...she is in recovery from radiation and does have a condition
which is call...pathological detoxifier...her liver is functioning incorrectly
and fails to detox the second stage of her toxins. I am certain this does not
help...however I must add that she has always had a propensity for being over
anxious.
Is this trait an adrenal one or is is based in the hypothalamus.
Thanks so much for your help.
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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20 Feb 2004 01:55:33 PM |
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"Paul Couvrette" <paul@couvrette-photography.on.ca> wrote in message
news:7a1fca5c.0402201117.6b18c954@posting.google.com...
Step1. Complete physical. (Lyme disease, endocrine screen, liver and
kidney
function, Epstein-Barr virus, etc a lot of purely physical problems can
cause depressive symptoms.)
Interesting...she is in recovery from radiation and does have a condition
which is call...pathological detoxifier...her liver is functioning
incorrectly
and fails to detox the second stage of her toxins. I am certain this does
not
help...however I must add that she has always had a propensity for being
over
anxious.
Is this trait an adrenal one or is is based in the hypothalamus.
Thanks so much for your help.
I don't know the answers, just some of the questions.
You have already exceeded my level of knowledge.
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E Sempre l'Ora
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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20 Feb 2004 02:20:27 PM |
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Hap Arnold wrote:
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"Paul Couvrette" <paul@couvrette-photography.on.ca> wrote in message
news:7a1fca5c.0402201117.6b18c954@posting.google.com...
Step1. Complete physical. (Lyme disease, endocrine screen, liver and
kidney
function, Epstein-Barr virus, etc a lot of purely physical problems can
cause depressive symptoms.)
Interesting...she is in recovery from radiation and does have a condition
which is call...pathological detoxifier...her liver is functioning
incorrectly
and fails to detox the second stage of her toxins. I am certain this does
not
help...however I must add that she has always had a propensity for being
over
anxious.
Is this trait an adrenal one or is is based in the hypothalamus.
Thanks so much for your help.
I don't know the answers, just some of the questions.
You have already exceeded my level of knowledge.
Have you spoken with an oncologist regarding this lingering effect?
They'd be the most qualified to give you info on the effects of their
medications.
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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20 Feb 2004 03:44:22 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:48:43 -0500, Hap Arnold wrote:
In the end it is all self-analysis.
Most people are going to find it useful to have psycho-analyst to guide them
around, especially at the start.
I thought that psychoanalysis was now pretty much only used in the field
of literary criticism. Are there actually still practicing Freudians out
there and enough people who put stock in them to keep them in business?
If so, do they still use those funky leather couches?
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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20 Feb 2004 04:05:05 PM |
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"Velvet Elvis" <gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.20.21.39.35.291015@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet...
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:48:43 -0500, Hap Arnold wrote:
In the end it is all self-analysis.
Most people are going to find it useful to have psycho-analyst to guide
them
around, especially at the start.
I thought that psychoanalysis was now pretty much only used in the field
of literary criticism. Are there actually still practicing Freudians out
there and enough people who put stock in them to keep them in business?
If so, do they still use those funky leather couches?
I didn't see a Freudian. Dr Phil is a psycho-analyst of some kind, he seems
to do okay.
My analyst always used a damp soapy cloth to remove dust and grime.
The couch was never funky.
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E Sempre l'Ora
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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21 Feb 2004 02:18:08 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:05:05 -0500, Hap Arnold wrote:
"Velvet Elvis" <gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.20.21.39.35.291015@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet...
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:48:43 -0500, Hap Arnold wrote:
In the end it is all self-analysis.
Most people are going to find it useful to have psycho-analyst to guide
them
around, especially at the start.
I thought that psychoanalysis was now pretty much only used in the field
of literary criticism. Are there actually still practicing Freudians out
there and enough people who put stock in them to keep them in business?
If so, do they still use those funky leather couches?
I didn't see a Freudian. Dr Phil is a psycho-analyst of some kind, he seems
to do okay.
My analyst always used a damp soapy cloth to remove dust and grime.
The couch was never funky.
Psychoanalysis refers specifically to the methods invented and used by
Freud. A annalist is a person who uses these methods. I just took you
too literally.
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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21 Feb 2004 03:01:49 PM |
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"Velvet Elvis" <gambolt@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.21.20.13.19.651934@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet...
Psychoanalysis refers specifically to the methods invented and used by
Freud. A annalist is a person who uses these methods. I just took you
too literally.
Ahhhh.
Verrrrrrrryyyyyy Interesting.
And what does that mean to you?
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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20 Feb 2004 10:25:03 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 06:14:45 -0800, (Paul
Couvrette) wrote:
"Dan Hall" <drhall@dmci.net> wrote in message news:<1039s9vnv4pkna4@corp.supernews.com>...
Total bunk. If you want to help your aging mom, get her some real
professional care.
-Dan
Ok...what would you suggest. I`ve never been on this newsgroup before, so
fill me in.
Welcome to ASD :))
Aren`t things like SSRI`s just like taping over the warning lights.
Done properly, they're more like fixing the engine. (When [if] you get
the right one - that's the tricky part).
Is some sort of professional analyst (a psychoanalist?) the ticket
or is self analysis (meditation?) a better way to go...
Help me out here.....thanks...Paul
Counselling often helps a lot.
The first step would be to get your mother to ask her GP to help -
assuming she feels the need for any medical help; diagnosis is important,
and treating Depression when there isn't any Depression is not going to do
any good. Nor is not treating whatever is wrong, if there is anything
wrong (you haven't said).
If her 'ageing' is what's worrying you, then treat your mother with love
and respect and patience - and warmth and comfort and whatever else is
within your power.
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-- ^^^^^^^^^^ Interested in Citroens?
-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
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| User: "Paul Couvrette" |
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20 Feb 2004 09:54:10 PM |
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Counselling often helps a lot.
The first step would be to get your mother to ask her GP to help -
assuming she feels the need for any medical help; diagnosis is important,
and treating Depression when there isn't any Depression is not going to do
any good. Nor is not treating whatever is wrong, if there is anything
wrong (you haven't said).
If her 'ageing' is what's worrying you, then treat your mother with love
and respect and patience - and warmth and comfort and whatever else is
within your power.
Thanks for all the thoughts guys and gals...still wonder about this voices
business...any ideas.
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:39:48 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:54:10 -0800, (Paul
Couvrette) wrote:
snip
Thanks for all the thoughts guys and gals...still wonder about this voices
business...any ideas.
You described it as 'tinnitus', which I would guess is a possible
side-effect from any illness or surgery in the ear/nose/throat area.
Tinnitus is a physical thing, arising from damage to the mechanism of the
ear or auditory nerves - and often comes on with age or exposure to noise,
let alone what your mother has been through. The only treatments I know
of are: (a) hearing-aid to amplify the real sounds; (b) mind-training to
learn tricks to 'ignore' the extraneous false sounds; and (c) experiments
with 'white noise' or background sounds to mask the false sounds. Severe
tinnitus can be very distressing and disabling. There are news-groups
related to tinnitus, deafness, and hearing-loss - I don't know what they
are like, I haven't looked.
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-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
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| User: "Paul Couvrette" |
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22 Feb 2004 05:31:10 PM |
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Thanks for all the thoughts guys and gals...still wonder about this voices
business...any ideas.
You described it as 'tinnitus', which I would guess is a possible
side-effect from any illness or surgery in the ear/nose/throat area.
Tinnitus is a physical thing, arising from damage to the mechanism of the
ear or auditory nerves - and often comes on with age or exposure to noise,
let alone what your mother has been through. The only treatments I know
of are: (a) hearing-aid to amplify the real sounds; (b) mind-training to
learn tricks to 'ignore' the extraneous false sounds; and (c) experiments
with 'white noise' or background sounds to mask the false sounds. Severe
tinnitus can be very distressing and disabling. There are news-groups
related to tinnitus, deafness, and hearing-loss - I don't know what they
are like, I haven't looked.
Well, she actually has the ringing in her ears and that part I understand
is related to hearing. There are many who would say that it is not however
as it generally increases with stress and since a hearing deficit is a constant,
how can stress effect it...
The voices part is not, IMHO, tinnitus..but what it is I do not know. I don`t
see any signs of schizophrenia or alzheimers. She is past the stage when
schizophrenia can arise (from my reading to date) and I see no signs of a
bipolar disorder. The voices are not btw hers and they are not telling her
to jump off a bridge...merely songs replaying ad nauseum or phrases from
some TV she watched that day. Very weird stuff...any ideas.
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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23 Feb 2004 09:28:33 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:31:10 -0800, (Paul
Couvrette) wrote:
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Well, she actually has the ringing in her ears and that part I understand
is related to hearing. There are many who would say that it is not however
as it generally increases with stress and since a hearing deficit is a
constant, how can stress effect it...
The voices part is not, IMHO, tinnitus..but what it is I do not know. I
don`t see any signs of schizophrenia or alzheimers. She is past the stage
when schizophrenia can arise (from my reading to date) and I see no signs
of a bipolar disorder. The voices are not btw hers and they are not
telling her to jump off a bridge...merely songs replaying ad nauseum or
phrases from some TV she watched that day. Very weird stuff...any ideas.
Depression, or a reaction to anti-depressants, could cause 'auditory
hallucinations', apparently:
<http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/hearing_voices.htm>.
I suppose that if there is tinnitus as well, the brain might well
interpret some of the sounds as something familiar. I know I was convinced
for ages that the water-tank in my flat was continuously filling, but when
I eventually managed to get to it, there was no water flowing at all -
mild tinnitus in the quiet of the night was fooling me. I've heard of
people who experience tinnitus as music, or factory noise, or a football
crowd.
This site look useful: <http://www.tinnitus.org.uk/>.
I suggest you use Google to search for the terms tinnitus and "hearing
voices"; there is a lot of information 'out there'.
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-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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20 Feb 2004 08:46:33 AM |
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Paul Couvrette wrote:
"Dan Hall" <drhall@dmci.net> wrote in message news:<1039s9vnv4pkna4@corp.supernews.com>...
Total bunk. If you want to help your aging mom, get her some real
professional care.
-Dan
Ok...what would you suggest. I`ve never been on this newsgroup before, so
fill me in. Aren`t things like SSRI`s just like taping over the warning
lights. Is some sort of professional analyst (a psychoanalist?) the ticket
or is self analysis (meditation?) a better way to go...
Help me out here.....thanks...Paul
One usually demonstrates the "warning lights" before being scripted for
SSRI drugs. At least one would hope, a lot of docs throw them at the
problem first and see what sticks.
What exactly is your mom dealing with? Depression, dementia, alzheimers?
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| User: "Paul Couvrette" |
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20 Feb 2004 01:13:00 PM |
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One usually demonstrates the "warning lights" before being scripted for
SSRI drugs. At least one would hope, a lot of docs throw them at the
problem first and see what sticks.
What exactly is your mom dealing with? Depression, dementia, alzheimers?
Well, she has a couple of symptoms. She suffers from extreme anxiety
but the weirdest thing is that she has very bad tinnitus which actually
evolved into continued playing of music and voices in her head. Sounds
bizarre, but I am certain it is very common. She is in her late
seventies and does not show any other signs of dementia, alzheimers etc.
My mom has had a very stressful year and is recovering poorly from
oral cancer..I am certain that has triggered a lot of these mental symptoms.
Thanks for your inputs folks.......
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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19 Feb 2004 11:05:30 PM |
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Dan is right. This is junk.
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Dan Hall" <drhall@dmci.net> wrote in message
news:1039s9vnv4pkna4@corp.supernews.com...
Total bunk. If you want to help your aging mom, get her some real
professional care.
-Dan
"Paul Couvrette" <paul@couvrette-photography.on.ca> wrote in message
news:7a1fca5c.0402190534.217ecb9b@posting.google.com...
I came upon this site in an attempt to learn a little more about
how
to treat my aging Mom. What do you folks think....is this
revolutionary
or just bunk...
http://www.neuroreplete.com/
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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20 Feb 2004 11:24:20 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:05:30 -0800, Nom dePlume wrote:
Dan is right. This is junk.
It may be junk, or it may not be. I think many people here are aware that
the mental health profession is locked into psychoactive drugs in much the
same way that our ancestors were locked into leeches.
Psychoactive drugs don't work for everyone, have all sorts of nasty
side-effects and mechanisms of action that are not even understood. Plus
they don't address the actual *cause* of the problem. It seems that the
mental health profession has pretty much given up on researching the actual
causes of chemical imbalances - why bother when they are already
enlightened with the answer... more drugs?
The mental health profession is currently stuck in the Dark Ages.
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He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself.
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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20 Feb 2004 03:52:15 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:24:20 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
It may be junk, or it may not be. I think many people here are aware that
the mental health profession is locked into psychoactive drugs in much the
same way that our ancestors were locked into leeches.
Psychoactive drugs don't work for everyone, have all sorts of nasty
side-effects and mechanisms of action that are not even understood. Plus
they don't address the actual *cause* of the problem. It seems that the
mental health profession has pretty much given up on researching the actual
causes of chemical imbalances - why bother when they are already
enlightened with the answer... more drugs?
The mental health profession is currently stuck in the Dark Ages.
So we should just go back to the leeches then?
I know that in my case that a lot of what I'm dealing with is genetic.
Would you actually support the use of genetic engineering to remove
depressive tendencies from the human population? I find that rather
scary. If you look at chemical imbalance as an effect and not a cause,
then I have serious doubts about treating the causes. To do so, you
really would be employing some kind of therapy which changes who we
are as human beings. Why is this preferable to treating the symptoms?
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