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02 Nov 2005 01:48:34 AM |
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new therapist |
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of off
and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was hard
to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours later, as
the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone and the
ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does life.
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| User: "gravity" |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
02 Nov 2005 01:58:50 AM |
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"packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of
off and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was
hard to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours
later, as the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone
and the ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does
life.
i have no therapist. they stuck me in some fucking group therapy. it's
like a self-pity orgy, no thanks. i will ride this out alone, i don't need
anyone.
Gravity
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| User: "packrat" |
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02 Nov 2005 02:07:28 AM |
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hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is like, btdt. Will try
this for awhile, going alone without a therapist isn't working for me
either, so options?? Crashing, typical, yes, but will keep going and as
able will try to impliment suggestions. I don't think it's going to go
quickly though. I'm a hard cure.
btw, you just think you don't need anyone, just as I want to think that too.
However I do have people who need me and that part isn't good right now.
Having kids makes you have to think really hard before completely self
destructing.
Wish I was better support for you, but am struggling to tread water at the
moment. I do care, fwiw
"gravity" <gravity@example.net> wrote in message
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"packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of
off and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although
was hard to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours
later, as the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone
and the ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as
does life.
i have no therapist. they stuck me in some fucking group therapy. it's
like a self-pity orgy, no thanks. i will ride this out alone, i don't
need anyone.
Gravity
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| User: "Used2be" |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
02 Nov 2005 12:27:02 PM |
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"packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is like, btdt.
you are both *so* right.
i can only stand so much self pity in large quantities hitting me all at
once...
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| User: "gravity" |
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02 Nov 2005 02:10:47 AM |
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"packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is like, btdt. Will
try this for awhile, going alone without a therapist isn't working for me
either, so options?? Crashing, typical, yes, but will keep going and as
able will try to impliment suggestions. I don't think it's going to go
quickly though. I'm a hard cure.
btw, you just think you don't need anyone, just as I want to think that
too. However I do have people who need me and that part isn't good right
now. Having kids makes you have to think really hard before completely
self destructing.
Wish I was better support for you, but am struggling to tread water at the
moment. I do care, fwiw
support is for pillars, as Franz said. but i care about you, Packrat.
don't mind me, i just need some coffee. :-P
Gravity
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| User: "packrat" |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
02 Nov 2005 02:17:08 AM |
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"gravity" <gravity@example.net> wrote in message
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"packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is like, btdt. Will
try this for awhile, going alone without a therapist isn't working for me
either, so options?? Crashing, typical, yes, but will keep going and as
able will try to impliment suggestions. I don't think it's going to go
quickly though. I'm a hard cure.
btw, you just think you don't need anyone, just as I want to think that
too. However I do have people who need me and that part isn't good right
now. Having kids makes you have to think really hard before completely
self destructing.
Wish I was better support for you, but am struggling to tread water at
the moment. I do care, fwiw
support is for pillars, as Franz said. but i care about you, Packrat.
don't mind me, i just need some coffee. :-P
Gravity
I need some coffee too, good coffee. In the morning, about 10, have my
coffee pot found in this mess. About the only thing found. btw, don't make
me laugh when I'm depressed and having SI.
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| User: "gravity" |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
02 Nov 2005 02:29:47 AM |
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"packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"gravity" <gravity@example.net> wrote in message
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"packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is like, btdt. Will
try this for awhile, going alone without a therapist isn't working for
me either, so options?? Crashing, typical, yes, but will keep going and
as able will try to impliment suggestions. I don't think it's going to
go quickly though. I'm a hard cure.
btw, you just think you don't need anyone, just as I want to think that
too. However I do have people who need me and that part isn't good right
now. Having kids makes you have to think really hard before completely
self destructing.
Wish I was better support for you, but am struggling to tread water at
the moment. I do care, fwiw
support is for pillars, as Franz said. but i care about you, Packrat.
don't mind me, i just need some coffee. :-P
Gravity
I need some coffee too, good coffee. In the morning, about 10, have my
coffee pot found in this mess. About the only thing found. btw, don't
make me laugh when I'm depressed and having SI.
i imagine a joke so funny that it kills. perhaps i stole this idea from a
book somewhere?
Gravity
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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02 Nov 2005 10:11:22 AM |
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On 2005-11-02, packrat wrote:
hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is like, btdt.
There are other kinds, too. When I did it, the sessions were like classes.
No pity parading possible in the format, no opportunity for it, no time,
not part of the focus or subject matter. It was called goal-directed
group therapy and had a class format, start and end dates. The title was
Managing Depression. Three hours a week for six months.
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<email.4.bev@xoxy.net> Support: <http://www.irteams.org/>
Chaos is inherent in all compounded things.
Strive on with diligence.
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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02 Nov 2005 10:07:40 PM |
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Bev Thornton wrote...
On 2005-11-02, packrat wrote:
hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is
like, btdt.
There are other kinds, too. When I did it, the sessions
were like classes. No pity parading possible in the format,
no opportunity for it, no time, not part of the focus or
subject matter. It was called goal-directed group therapy
and had a class format, start and end dates. The title was
Managing Depression. Three hours a week for six months.
sounds like a dbt group. it's really a series of classes. my
advanced group was different. we shared what had happened during
the week, but we used the scenarios as a chance to critique the
pros and cons of how the situations were handled. it helped
enormously.
-lisa
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
03 Nov 2005 08:30:11 AM |
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On 2005-11-03, lisa in mass. wrote:
Bev Thornton wrote...
On 2005-11-02, packrat wrote:
hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is
like, btdt.
There are other kinds, too. When I did it, the sessions
were like classes. No pity parading possible in the format,
no opportunity for it, no time, not part of the focus or
subject matter. It was called goal-directed group therapy
and had a class format, start and end dates. The title was
Managing Depression. Three hours a week for six months.
sounds like a dbt group.
What's DBT? The whole program was 18 months, called Changeways. The
schedule, duration and subjects can be varied for different people.
it's really a series of classes.
Yeah, that's how it was done.
advanced group was different. we shared what had happened during
the week, but we used the scenarios as a chance to critique the
pros and cons of how the situations were handled. it helped
enormously.
We did that later, after the six months of Assertiveness Training,
Managing Depression and something else. I can't find my book and can't
remember what the other thing was. Oh, Relaxation and Recreation. The next
six months were like seminars and the last six months were alone, sort of,
but there was still the recreational part, a Friday semi-social thing and
periodic get-togethers of various kinds.
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<http://www.openantivirus.org/>
If anything is worth doing, do it with all your heart.
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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03 Nov 2005 02:32:12 PM |
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Bev Thornton wrote...
On 2005-11-03, lisa in mass. wrote:
Bev Thornton wrote...
On 2005-11-02, packrat wrote:
hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is
like, btdt.
There are other kinds, too. When I did it, the sessions
were like classes. No pity parading possible in the
format, no opportunity for it, no time, not part of the
focus or subject matter. It was called goal-directed
group therapy and had a class format, start and end
dates. The title was Managing Depression. Three hours a
week for six months.
sounds like a dbt group.
What's DBT? The whole program was 18 months, called
Changeways. The schedule, duration and subjects can be
varied for different people.
dialectical behavior therapy. originally developed to help
manage people with borderline personality disorder, but it was
found to be helpful to people with severe depression who were
having difficulty managing their thoughts, feelings, and
actions. i was pretty much mandated to be there by my
insurance company, getting fed up with my near-constant
hospitalizations. it helped.
it's really a series of classes.
Yeah, that's how it was done.
advanced group was different. we shared what had happened
during the week, but we used the scenarios as a chance to
critique the pros and cons of how the situations were
handled. it helped enormously.
We did that later, after the six months of Assertiveness
Training, Managing Depression and something else. I can't
find my book and can't remember what the other thing was.
Oh, Relaxation and Recreation. The next six months were
like seminars and the last six months were alone, sort of,
but there was still the recreational part, a Friday
semi-social thing and periodic get-togethers of various
kinds.
sounds like a good program.
-lisa
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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03 Nov 2005 03:39:17 PM |
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On 2005-11-03, lisa in mass. wrote:
dialectical behavior therapy. originally developed to help
manage people with borderline personality disorder, but it was
found to be helpful to people with severe depression who were
having difficulty managing their thoughts, feelings, and
actions. i was pretty much mandated to be there by my
insurance company, getting fed up with my near-constant
hospitalizations. it helped.
They had that, too. A different group, but the same days. There were a few
different groups and people were sorted into them somehow. People in each
group had the same schedule, but the groups didn't and the classes were
different, some completely different.
sounds like a good program.
It's the local one, but maybe similar things will be available in more
places in the future.
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<http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/influenza.htm>
Whatever is subject to origination, all that is subject to cessation.
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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02 Nov 2005 01:30:03 PM |
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packrat wrote...
hate to laugh, but that's about what group therapy is like,
btdt. Will try this for awhile, going alone without a
therapist isn't working for me either, so options??
Crashing, typical, yes, but will keep going and as able
will try to impliment suggestions. I don't think it's
going to go quickly though. I'm a hard cure.
btw, you just think you don't need anyone, just as I want
to think that too. However I do have people who need me and
that part isn't good right now. Having kids makes you have
to think really hard before completely self destructing.
Wish I was better support for you, but am struggling to
tread water at the moment. I do care, fwiw
"gravity" <gravity@example.net> wrote in message
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was very good, got more from him than I have from most
over the years of off and on therapy. Felt cautiously
optimistic upon leaving, although was hard to try to
embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours
later, as the night goes on and on, the optimism that was
brief is gone and the ability to follow through seems
next to if not impossible, as does life.
i have no therapist. they stuck me in some fucking group
therapy. it's like a self-pity orgy, no thanks. i will
ride this out alone, i don't need anyone.
Gravity
i've been in some great groups and some useless ones. it
depends on the facilitator, i think. either they're good at
making individual issues more universal, so that there's good
examples, or not. the best was my advanced dbt group. met
weekly for three years, until fate conspired to break us up.
we talked about meeting on our own, but never did. it wouldn't
have been the same without our therp, anyway.
-lisa
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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02 Nov 2005 03:50:34 AM |
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packrat <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of off
and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was hard
to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours later, as
the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone and the
ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does life.
Hey packrat! I just had that happen too except the
optimism came from a different source. Sunday I felt
optimistic. Now lots of old pain is returning.
((packrat))
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "packrat" |
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02 Nov 2005 09:05:36 AM |
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"Contrarian" <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote in message
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packrat <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of
off
and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was
hard
to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours later,
as
the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone and the
ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does life.
Hey packrat! I just had that happen too except the
optimism came from a different source. Sunday I felt
optimistic. Now lots of old pain is returning.
((packrat))
Yeah, went from there to errands, which I despise, but thought it was good
to force myself and push past. Got home, tried to impliment his
suggestions. Then as the night progressed, all the thoughts took over and
it became a matter of I'm still me, change is next to impossible and I don't
have it in me and despair, you name it.
Old pain sucks and letting go is even harder, new old pain sucks too. Keep
trying to embrace the concept of "the past does not exist"...from my
therapist, can't change it, do anything about it, it doesn't exist and why
let things from the past make you miserable in the present. Great thoughts,
IMHO, great way to look at things, to get myself to believe that and just
look past the past? So far from there yet.
I know Rome wasn't built in a day as the saying goes, but the night went to
hell in a handbasket as well. F*** therapy, F*** life, but no, am not
giving up after one visit.
So are you better now?
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "Brianversion" |
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02 Nov 2005 10:18:35 AM |
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packrat wrote:
"Contrarian" <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote in message
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packrat <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of
off
and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was
hard
to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours later,
as
the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone and the
ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does life.
Hey packrat! I just had that happen too except the
optimism came from a different source. Sunday I felt
optimistic. Now lots of old pain is returning.
((packrat))
Yeah, went from there to errands, which I despise, but thought it was good
to force myself and push past. Got home, tried to impliment his
suggestions. Then as the night progressed, all the thoughts took over and
it became a matter of I'm still me, change is next to impossible and I don't
have it in me and despair, you name it.
Old pain sucks and letting go is even harder, new old pain sucks too. Keep
trying to embrace the concept of "the past does not exist"...from my
therapist, can't change it, do anything about it, it doesn't exist and why
let things from the past make you miserable in the present.
If someone I respected drilled this into me, it would change my life.
But I don't trust myself enough to tell myself this, I need to have
someone hammer it into my head and not take , "...but" for an answer.
I hope you continue, sounds like something good could happen. I will
now make a pot of coffee.
Great thoughts,
IMHO, great way to look at things, to get myself to believe that and just
look past the past? So far from there yet.
I know Rome wasn't built in a day as the saying goes, but the night went to
hell in a handbasket as well. F*** therapy, F*** life, but no, am not
giving up after one visit.
So are you better now?
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "packrat" |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
02 Nov 2005 10:48:01 PM |
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"Brianversion" <brianguitar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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packrat wrote:
"Contrarian" <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote in message
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packrat <maddienospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years
of
off
and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was
hard
to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours
later,
as
the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone and the
ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does
life.
Hey packrat! I just had that happen too except the
optimism came from a different source. Sunday I felt
optimistic. Now lots of old pain is returning.
((packrat))
Yeah, went from there to errands, which I despise, but thought it was
good
to force myself and push past. Got home, tried to impliment his
suggestions. Then as the night progressed, all the thoughts took over
and
it became a matter of I'm still me, change is next to impossible and I
don't
have it in me and despair, you name it.
Old pain sucks and letting go is even harder, new old pain sucks too.
Keep
trying to embrace the concept of "the past does not exist"...from my
therapist, can't change it, do anything about it, it doesn't exist and
why
let things from the past make you miserable in the present.
If someone I respected drilled this into me, it would change my life.
But I don't trust myself enough to tell myself this, I need to have
someone hammer it into my head and not take , "...but" for an answer.
I hope you continue, sounds like something good could happen. I will
now make a pot of coffee.
Yeah, the buts get me afterwards. He wouldn't take the buts, they are still
here despite the session. However it was only one session. I'm cautiously
optimistic that he can help, very cautiously, this has been practically a
life long struggle.
Great thoughts,
IMHO, great way to look at things, to get myself to believe that and just
look past the past? So far from there yet.
I know Rome wasn't built in a day as the saying goes, but the night went
to
hell in a handbasket as well. F*** therapy, F*** life, but no, am not
giving up after one visit.
So are you better now?
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
02 Nov 2005 10:11:11 PM |
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packrat wrote...
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over
the years of off and on therapy. Felt cautiously
optimistic upon leaving, although was hard to try to
embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours
later, as the night goes on and on, the optimism that was
brief is gone and the ability to follow through seems next
to if not impossible, as does life.
changing thought processes is a difficult thing to do. it takes
lots of practice. much easier to do when not actively crashing,
like you do at night. the more you do it during the day, though,
the easier it gets to implement when you need it most.
-lisa
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| User: "packrat" |
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02 Nov 2005 10:53:21 PM |
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"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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packrat wrote...
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over
the years of off and on therapy. Felt cautiously
optimistic upon leaving, although was hard to try to
embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours
later, as the night goes on and on, the optimism that was
brief is gone and the ability to follow through seems next
to if not impossible, as does life.
changing thought processes is a difficult thing to do. it takes
lots of practice. much easier to do when not actively crashing,
like you do at night. the more you do it during the day, though,
the easier it gets to implement when you need it most.
-lisa
exactly, came home after running errands after session and had a bit of
hope, but as the night progressed, the same crash and hurts came up and then
there I was feeling like a total ***** up again. Nights are hell anymore.
Right now staying busy enough during the day with trying to get the
apartment where you can walk through it. Nights? not good, I'm so tired,
but it's next to impossible to sleep and almost afraid to sleep, afraid of
waking up and the panic attacks hitting me. Would rather stay up till 2 or
3 and do without sleep then wake up at 2 or 3 and there the panic attacks
with the hurting are there.
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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02 Nov 2005 11:35:26 AM |
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packrat wrote:
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of off
and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was hard
to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours later, as
the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone and the
ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does life.
seeing a therapist is so important in my opinion... If it's a good
therapist... obviously, not all therapists are...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "packrat" |
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| Title: Re: new therapist |
02 Nov 2005 10:49:47 PM |
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"alvintchase" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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packrat wrote:
was very good, got more from him than I have from most over the years of
off
and on therapy. Felt cautiously optimistic upon leaving, although was
hard
to try to embrace what he was trying to get me to accept. Hours later,
as
the night goes on and on, the optimism that was brief is gone and the
ability to follow through seems next to if not impossible, as does life.
seeing a therapist is so important in my opinion... If it's a good
therapist... obviously, not all therapists are...
yes, been to many that were worthless but got their money. I have often
called myself a therapy flunkee, due to the fact that I will go to one and
never go back because they were of no benefit. I will however stick with
him, something was going right when getting lined up with him.
-"Alvintchase"
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