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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 11:05:39 AM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3f267$420ce2ea$d19632ad$28295@allthenewsgroups.com...
: % wrote:
: > i teased Janithor
: >
:
: I was feeling sorry for myself cuz you hate me
: because I'm an American. Even tho I know you
: really don't.
i don't hate Americans , well maybe one or two ,
i hate some of the things that happen there ,
and it frustrates me when i see normally intelligent people ,
falling victim to such things
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| User: "Gayle" |
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11 Feb 2005 11:50:04 AM |
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% wrote:
i don't hate Americans , well maybe one or two ,
i hate some of the things that happen there ,
and it frustrates me when i see normally intelligent people ,
falling victim to such things
In general, I think most folks everywhere fall
victim to hearing what they want to hear. In many
cases, imo, opinions are formed first and most of
the subsequent research is geared to supporting
what they've already decided they believe. But, if
I believe what Janithor writes about the breadth
of media he consumes (and I do believe him), than
I will respect that he's come by his opinions
honestly. The same level of respect that I'd offer
anyone who was at least trying to figure the ways
of the world out ... whether I agreed with their
conclusions or not.
Anyways, the most likely truth is that my reaction
is all about me feeling defensive and moody for
reasons that may have little to do with the topic
under discussion.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 12:04:57 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:7af2b$420cf04e$d19632ad$9383@allthenewsgroups.com...
: % wrote:
:
: > i don't hate Americans , well maybe one or two ,
: > i hate some of the things that happen there ,
: > and it frustrates me when i see normally intelligent people ,
: > falling victim to such things
: >
:
: In general, I think most folks everywhere fall
: victim to hearing what they want to hear. In many
: cases, imo, opinions are formed first and most of
: the subsequent research is geared to supporting
: what they've already decided they believe. But, if
: I believe what Janithor writes about the breadth
: of media he consumes (and I do believe him), than
: I will respect that he's come by his opinions
: honestly. The same level of respect that I'd offer
: anyone who was at least trying to figure the ways
: of the world out ... whether I agreed with their
: conclusions or not.
:
: Anyways, the most likely truth is that my reaction
: is all about me feeling defensive and moody for
: reasons that may have little to do with the topic
: under discussion.
:
i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
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| User: "Gayle" |
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11 Feb 2005 01:33:30 PM |
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% wrote:
i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
You're absolutely right about the filters and
biases of the media but the Internet has reduced
the amount of power the mainstream media has to
form public opinion. I'm finding blogs to be the
best way, right now, to keep my mind open to
different ways of thinking about things. Of
course, it is like trying to drink from a fire
hose and that creates another kind of anxiety.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 01:53:38 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:199dd$420d088d$d19632ad$13472@allthenewsgroups.com...
: % wrote:
:
: >
: > i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
: > and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
: > for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
: > they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
: > i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
: > you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
: >
:
: You're absolutely right about the filters and
: biases of the media but the Internet has reduced
: the amount of power the mainstream media has to
: form public opinion. I'm finding blogs to be the
: best way, right now, to keep my mind open to
: different ways of thinking about things. Of
: course, it is like trying to drink from a fire
: hose and that creates another kind of anxiety.
yea that's the thing isin't it now people can tell you what they want you to know ,
even if it never even happend , i really doubt that the web sites tell the true stories ,
but what a great way to control the thoughts of the readers , and then there's always the possibility of intercepting and changing
the text before it goes to public access
:
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 02:23:10 PM |
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"%" wrote:
i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
Access to international coverage is actually readily available in the
States. I read foreign newspapers on the WWW, pick up BBC, CBC and other
foreign TV news via satellite, and get Canadian AM stations from
Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec, both on the Internet and my own radio. But
it's in utilizing those sources that one discovers how much info is
missing from news reports originating in the U.S.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 02:32:09 PM |
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"Noon Cat Nick" <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@catlover.com> wrote in message news:420D142D.BB9899E2@catlover.com...
: "%" wrote:
: >
: >
: > i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
: > and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
: > for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
: > they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
: > i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
: > you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
:
: Access to international coverage is actually readily available in the
: States. I read foreign newspapers on the WWW, pick up BBC, CBC and other
: foreign TV news via satellite, and get Canadian AM stations from
: Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec, both on the Internet and my own radio. But
: it's in utilizing those sources that one discovers how much info is
: missing from news reports originating in the U.S.
only the coverage they want you to see / hear ,
and no one but americans wants to know american news ,
which is altered before you get it
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
12 Feb 2005 01:26:31 AM |
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In message <420D142D.BB9899E2@catlover.com>, Noon Cat Nick
<chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@catlover.com> writes
"%" wrote:
i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
Access to international coverage is actually readily available in the
States. I read foreign newspapers on the WWW, pick up BBC, CBC and other
foreign TV news via satellite, and get Canadian AM stations from
Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec, both on the Internet and my own radio. But
it's in utilizing those sources that one discovers how much info is
missing from news reports originating in the U.S.
All that is available here, but I doubt that one percent of the
population uses the Internet to get its news and form opinions. For the
rest its pre-digested TV news snippets or tabloid newspapers, none of
which tries to hide their bias.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 12:14:43 PM |
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x-no-archive; yes
% wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:7af2b$420cf04e$d19632ad$9383@allthenewsgroups.com...
: In general, I think most folks everywhere fall
: victim to hearing what they want to hear. In many
: cases, imo, opinions are formed first and most of
: the subsequent research is geared to supporting
: what they've already decided they believe. But, if
: I believe what Janithor writes about the breadth
: of media he consumes (and I do believe him), than
: I will respect that he's come by his opinions
: honestly. The same level of respect that I'd offer
: anyone who was at least trying to figure the ways
: of the world out ... whether I agreed with their
: conclusions or not.
:
: Anyways, the most likely truth is that my reaction
: is all about me feeling defensive and moody for
: reasons that may have little to do with the topic
: under discussion.
:
i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people like
you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate sources
of information?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 12:34:29 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message news:420CF73B.2070209@comcast.net...
: x-no-archive; yes
:
: % wrote:
: > "Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:7af2b$420cf04e$d19632ad$9383@allthenewsgroups.com...
:
: > : In general, I think most folks everywhere fall
: > : victim to hearing what they want to hear. In many
: > : cases, imo, opinions are formed first and most of
: > : the subsequent research is geared to supporting
: > : what they've already decided they believe. But, if
: > : I believe what Janithor writes about the breadth
: > : of media he consumes (and I do believe him), than
: > : I will respect that he's come by his opinions
: > : honestly. The same level of respect that I'd offer
: > : anyone who was at least trying to figure the ways
: > : of the world out ... whether I agreed with their
: > : conclusions or not.
: > :
: > : Anyways, the most likely truth is that my reaction
: > : is all about me feeling defensive and moody for
: > : reasons that may have little to do with the topic
: > : under discussion.
: > :
: >
: >
: > i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
: > and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
: > for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
: > they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
: > i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
: > you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
:
:
: You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
:
: Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
: evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
: told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
:
: I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people like
: you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate sources
: of information?
:
your government thinks i'm a threat to its national security ,
does your newpapers and vast media coverage tell you that ? ,
does it let you decide for yourself if you'll allow me into your home ?
or does it refuse you the freedom of your own personal choice ,
without even informing you of the fact ? , and the only valid point Gayle made
is that she isn't feeling well and is on the defensive side due to something totally unrealated to this conversation
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 01:41:34 PM |
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% wrote:
and the only valid point Gayle made
is that she isn't feeling well and is on the defensive side due to something totally unrealated to this conversation
Maybe you can start a thread that sez: Gayle hates
me because I said she didn't make any valid points
at all ... she's just moody.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
11 Feb 2005 01:55:58 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message news:1ac9d$420d0a70$d19632ad$13825@allthenewsgroups.com...
: % wrote:
: and the only valid point Gayle made
: > is that she isn't feeling well and is on the defensive side due to something totally unrealated to this conversation
:
: Maybe you can start a thread that sez: Gayle hates
: me because I said she didn't make any valid points
: at all ... she's just moody.
no , that would be too ... unamerican ,
if i did that , all the americans would believe it ,
because its on the internet , even if it isin't true
:
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
12 Feb 2005 01:19:03 AM |
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In message <420CF73B.2070209@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
% wrote:
"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:7af2b$420cf04e$d19632ad$9383@allthenewsgroups.com...
: In general, I think most folks everywhere fall
: victim to hearing what they want to hear. In many
: cases, imo, opinions are formed first and most of
: the subsequent research is geared to supporting
: what they've already decided they believe. But, if
: I believe what Janithor writes about the breadth
: of media he consumes (and I do believe him), than
: I will respect that he's come by his opinions
: honestly. The same level of respect that I'd offer
: anyone who was at least trying to figure the ways
: of the world out ... whether I agreed with their
: conclusions or not.
:
: Anyways, the most likely truth is that my reaction
: is all about me feeling defensive and moody for
: reasons that may have little to do with the topic
: under discussion.
:
i also believe he does his best to keep up with current events ,
and that's just my point , he has limited access to the event information ,
for example why did ALL the US TV stations decide ,
they weren't going to show any more dead body's in their tsunami coverage ,
i know , that's not a real rock solid example , but i have more if ,
you really want to know about what else your not seeing or being told about
You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people like
you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate sources
of information?
Do you give Al Jazeera equal weight to Fox News?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
12 Feb 2005 10:42:51 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Alan Harding wrote:
You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people like
you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate
sources of information?
Do you give Al Jazeera equal weight to Fox News?
I read news sources for information. I don't form my opinions based on
news sources, neither FOX News nor Al Jazeera. I don't understand this
fetish with news outlets. There are lot other sources of knowledge out
there.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
12 Feb 2005 10:55:59 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message news:420E3336.1080708@comcast.net...
: x-no-archive: yes
:
: Alan Harding wrote:
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: >> You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
: >>
: >> Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
: >> evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
: >> told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
: >>
: >> I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people like
: >> you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate
: >> sources of information?
: >
: >
: > Do you give Al Jazeera equal weight to Fox News?
:
:
: I read news sources for information. I don't form my opinions based on
: news sources, neither FOX News nor Al Jazeera. I don't understand this
: fetish with news outlets. There are lot other sources of knowledge out
: there.
:
yea , like , you can just ask me
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
12 Feb 2005 02:58:45 PM |
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In message <110sd7aprmkaq3b@corp.supernews.com>, %
<surfs@uniserve.?.invalid> writes
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:420E3336.1080708@comcast.net...
: Alan Harding wrote:
:
: >> You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
: >>
: >> Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
: >> evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
: >> told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
: >>
: >> I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people like
: >> you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate
: >> sources of information?
: >
: > Do you give Al Jazeera equal weight to Fox News?
:
: I read news sources for information. I don't form my opinions based on
: news sources, neither FOX News nor Al Jazeera. I don't understand this
: fetish with news outlets. There are lot other sources of knowledge out
: there.
:
yea , like , you can just ask me
Do you have a special badge that says 'Fount of all opinions'?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
13 Feb 2005 12:33:59 AM |
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:PVm$5hsF4mDCFwL0@harding.demon.co.uk...
: In message <110sd7aprmkaq3b@corp.supernews.com>, %
: <surfs@uniserve.?.invalid> writes
: >"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
: >news:420E3336.1080708@comcast.net...
: >: Alan Harding wrote:
: >:
: >: >> You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
: >: >>
: >: >> Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
: >: >> evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
: >: >> told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
: >: >>
: >: >> I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people like
: >: >> you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate
: >: >> sources of information?
: >: >
: >: > Do you give Al Jazeera equal weight to Fox News?
: >:
: >: I read news sources for information. I don't form my opinions based on
: >: news sources, neither FOX News nor Al Jazeera. I don't understand this
: >: fetish with news outlets. There are lot other sources of knowledge out
: >: there.
: >:
: >yea , like , you can just ask me
:
: Do you have a special badge that says 'Fount of all opinions'?
:
: --
: The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
: just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
no , i just do it without any authority what so ever
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: NOW GAYLE HATES ME BECAUSE |
14 Feb 2005 03:49:46 PM |
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In message <420E3336.1080708@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
You're assuming that I form my opinions from the news media.
Also, you're kind of proving Gayle's point here. You're looking for
evidence to support the old saw that Americans only know what they're
told to know by the restricted media we supposedly have here.
I read Al Jazeera almost daily. I also get enlightened by people
like you right here on asd, so how can you say I don't get alternate
sources of information?
Do you give Al Jazeera equal weight to Fox News?
I read news sources for information. I don't form my opinions based on
news sources, neither FOX News nor Al Jazeera. I don't understand this
fetish with news outlets. There are lot other sources of knowledge out
there.
What information sources do you use to form your opinions, then? Or do
you really mean knowledge? Eerie stuff knowledge.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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