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"elegy" |
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14 Jan 2004 09:53:06 AM |
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obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
so, it was week two, and off to the races we went. no halti this week.
we used a nylon slip collar. what my friend refers to as her dog's
"thinking collar". i think the prerequisite for the thinking part is a
brain. we're a little short on that resource around here.
anyhoooo. we got there early, staked out our territory. the woman with
that stupid jack russell puppy came in, made a beeline straight for
us, and was immediately directed to the other side of the room. thank
god. i didn't have to kick her in the shins like i was planning.
we were next to the loopy mix dog, which was fine. she barked. luce
barked. there was much hysteria and little listening, but nobody
invaded anybody's space, and there was no "aww isn't that cuuuuute my
dog is acting like a moron." a huge improvement.
the corgi is a show off.
two weeks in and i am very unimpressed by the class. we've not done
anything that is walking/heel/etc. last week was "look" and "sit".
this week was mostly "sit" with a little bit of "stay". i'm bored. my
dog knows this stuff. what my dog doesn't know how to do is walk on a
leash without being an *****. or a buffalo. one of the two. sometimes
both.
i'm trying to not be disappointed. i paid for this class so i'm going
to use it the best that i can. luce needs all the exposure to other
dogs, to people, to noise and commotion, that she can get. she needs
to learn to stop screaming. she needs to learn to pay attention to me
even when she doesn't want to. teenagers....
they had doggy playtime at the end of class but we were not invited. i
was disappointed. luce acts like a lunatic, yes, but not any more than
a couple of the other dogs (the mix dog and a golden). she's not
aggressive, she wants to play with the other dogs, but her carrying on
must seem like aggression, i guess. either that or it's just purely
that she's a pit bull and therefore inherently evil.
if she's so evil and aggressive, siren shouldn't be able to come over
and take rawhides right out of luce's mouth. but i didn't even bother.
just, fine, whatever.
the assistant lady even said to the instructor "aww she just wants to
play" but she's too high risk. feh. she's not. she might be when she
gets older and more mature, but right now, she's puppy.
the first day i brought her into that woman's shop (the instructor
also owns/runs the petshop) she immediately jumped up and grabbed her
standard poodle and whisked him away. it makes me sad. i suppose i
didn't expect such blatant prejudice from another dog person. from the
general public, yes, but one would think that a person running a dog
obedience class would be more knowledgeable. apparently not.
bah.
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| User: "Sita" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
17 Jan 2004 03:15:05 PM |
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As the owner of a golden retriever who refuses to retrieve (oh, she runs for
her toys, she just never brings them back to me), I know that looks can be
deceiving. :-)
Pits have the potential to be dangerous if put into the wrong care, but
doesn't that apply to every dog breed? I would definately not be afraid of
a pit who was in the care of an owner who is taking the time to go to dog
obedience classes, for crying out loud.
Stacey
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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so, it was week two, and off to the races we went. no halti this week.
we used a nylon slip collar. what my friend refers to as her dog's
"thinking collar". i think the prerequisite for the thinking part is a
brain. we're a little short on that resource around here.
anyhoooo. we got there early, staked out our territory. the woman with
that stupid jack russell puppy came in, made a beeline straight for
us, and was immediately directed to the other side of the room. thank
god. i didn't have to kick her in the shins like i was planning.
we were next to the loopy mix dog, which was fine. she barked. luce
barked. there was much hysteria and little listening, but nobody
invaded anybody's space, and there was no "aww isn't that cuuuuute my
dog is acting like a moron." a huge improvement.
the corgi is a show off.
two weeks in and i am very unimpressed by the class. we've not done
anything that is walking/heel/etc. last week was "look" and "sit".
this week was mostly "sit" with a little bit of "stay". i'm bored. my
dog knows this stuff. what my dog doesn't know how to do is walk on a
leash without being an *****. or a buffalo. one of the two. sometimes
both.
i'm trying to not be disappointed. i paid for this class so i'm going
to use it the best that i can. luce needs all the exposure to other
dogs, to people, to noise and commotion, that she can get. she needs
to learn to stop screaming. she needs to learn to pay attention to me
even when she doesn't want to. teenagers....
they had doggy playtime at the end of class but we were not invited. i
was disappointed. luce acts like a lunatic, yes, but not any more than
a couple of the other dogs (the mix dog and a golden). she's not
aggressive, she wants to play with the other dogs, but her carrying on
must seem like aggression, i guess. either that or it's just purely
that she's a pit bull and therefore inherently evil.
if she's so evil and aggressive, siren shouldn't be able to come over
and take rawhides right out of luce's mouth. but i didn't even bother.
just, fine, whatever.
the assistant lady even said to the instructor "aww she just wants to
play" but she's too high risk. feh. she's not. she might be when she
gets older and more mature, but right now, she's puppy.
the first day i brought her into that woman's shop (the instructor
also owns/runs the petshop) she immediately jumped up and grabbed her
standard poodle and whisked him away. it makes me sad. i suppose i
didn't expect such blatant prejudice from another dog person. from the
general public, yes, but one would think that a person running a dog
obedience class would be more knowledgeable. apparently not.
bah.
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
17 Jan 2004 11:22:32 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:15:05 -0500, "Sita" <swesley@coslink.net>
wrote:
As the owner of a golden retriever who refuses to retrieve (oh, she runs for
her toys, she just never brings them back to me), I know that looks can be
deceiving. :-)
Pits have the potential to be dangerous if put into the wrong care, but
doesn't that apply to every dog breed? I would definately not be afraid of
a pit who was in the care of an owner who is taking the time to go to dog
obedience classes, for crying out loud.
good point!
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| User: "elegy" |
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17 Jan 2004 08:27:53 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:15:05 -0500, "Sita" <swesley@coslink.net>
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As the owner of a golden retriever who refuses to retrieve (oh, she runs for
her toys, she just never brings them back to me), I know that looks can be
deceiving. :-)
hehehe. my parents' cocker would do that. i ended up getting more
exercise than he did.
Pits have the potential to be dangerous if put into the wrong care, but
doesn't that apply to every dog breed? I would definately not be afraid of
a pit who was in the care of an owner who is taking the time to go to dog
obedience classes, for crying out loud.
oh sure, i agree lots of dogs out there have the potential to be
dangerous. pits maybe more so, because of bad breeding and how much
they are mistreated. and they're bred to be dog aggressive. it's what
they do. but she *isn't* yet. she might be in the future, but right
now she's just a big dumb puppy. i wish these people would read body
language and behaviour and not just "PIT BULL".
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| User: "harakiri" |
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14 Jan 2004 06:47:07 PM |
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Jack Russel and his mom sound like Stewart and his mom from MADTV.
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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so, it was week two, and off to the races we went. no halti this week.
we used a nylon slip collar. what my friend refers to as her dog's
"thinking collar". i think the prerequisite for the thinking part is a
brain. we're a little short on that resource around here.
anyhoooo. we got there early, staked out our territory. the woman with
that stupid jack russell puppy came in, made a beeline straight for
us, and was immediately directed to the other side of the room. thank
god. i didn't have to kick her in the shins like i was planning.
we were next to the loopy mix dog, which was fine. she barked. luce
barked. there was much hysteria and little listening, but nobody
invaded anybody's space, and there was no "aww isn't that cuuuuute my
dog is acting like a moron." a huge improvement.
the corgi is a show off.
two weeks in and i am very unimpressed by the class. we've not done
anything that is walking/heel/etc. last week was "look" and "sit".
this week was mostly "sit" with a little bit of "stay". i'm bored. my
dog knows this stuff. what my dog doesn't know how to do is walk on a
leash without being an *****. or a buffalo. one of the two. sometimes
both.
i'm trying to not be disappointed. i paid for this class so i'm going
to use it the best that i can. luce needs all the exposure to other
dogs, to people, to noise and commotion, that she can get. she needs
to learn to stop screaming. she needs to learn to pay attention to me
even when she doesn't want to. teenagers....
they had doggy playtime at the end of class but we were not invited. i
was disappointed. luce acts like a lunatic, yes, but not any more than
a couple of the other dogs (the mix dog and a golden). she's not
aggressive, she wants to play with the other dogs, but her carrying on
must seem like aggression, i guess. either that or it's just purely
that she's a pit bull and therefore inherently evil.
if she's so evil and aggressive, siren shouldn't be able to come over
and take rawhides right out of luce's mouth. but i didn't even bother.
just, fine, whatever.
the assistant lady even said to the instructor "aww she just wants to
play" but she's too high risk. feh. she's not. she might be when she
gets older and more mature, but right now, she's puppy.
the first day i brought her into that woman's shop (the instructor
also owns/runs the petshop) she immediately jumped up and grabbed her
standard poodle and whisked him away. it makes me sad. i suppose i
didn't expect such blatant prejudice from another dog person. from the
general public, yes, but one would think that a person running a dog
obedience class would be more knowledgeable. apparently not.
bah.
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14 Jan 2004 07:32:48 PM |
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never saw it :-/
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:47:07 GMT, "harakiri" <m.d.wittenberg@att.net>
wrote:
Jack Russel and his mom sound like Stewart and his mom from MADTV.
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| User: "harakiri" |
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14 Jan 2004 08:35:08 PM |
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SNL type of show on FOX. characters are very recognizable to real life.
Stewart is a very badly behaved child who has a dork for a mother. father
left them on "tuesday." mom comes from a family that pretends nothing is
wrong.
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never saw it :-/
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:47:07 GMT, "harakiri" <m.d.wittenberg@att.net>
wrote:
Jack Russel and his mom sound like Stewart and his mom from MADTV.
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| User: "harakiri" |
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14 Jan 2004 08:52:43 PM |
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Kathy Bates played the grandmother in one of the skits
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SNL type of show on FOX. characters are very recognizable to real life.
Stewart is a very badly behaved child who has a dork for a mother. father
left them on "tuesday." mom comes from a family that pretends nothing is
wrong.
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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never saw it :-/
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:47:07 GMT, "harakiri" <m.d.wittenberg@att.net>
wrote:
Jack Russel and his mom sound like Stewart and his mom from MADTV.
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| User: "elegy" |
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15 Jan 2004 06:00:36 AM |
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hehehe sounds like my family....
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 02:35:08 GMT, "harakiri" <m.d.wittenberg@att.net>
wrote:
SNL type of show on FOX. characters are very recognizable to real life.
Stewart is a very badly behaved child who has a dork for a mother. father
left them on "tuesday." mom comes from a family that pretends nothing is
wrong.
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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never saw it :-/
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:47:07 GMT, "harakiri" <m.d.wittenberg@att.net>
wrote:
Jack Russel and his mom sound like Stewart and his mom from MADTV.
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| User: "son of the yellow river" |
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15 Jan 2004 08:49:38 AM |
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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[...]
they had doggy playtime at the end of class but we were not invited. i
was disappointed. luce acts like a lunatic, yes, but not any more than
a couple of the other dogs (the mix dog and a golden). she's not
aggressive, she wants to play with the other dogs, but her carrying on
must seem like aggression, i guess. either that or it's just purely
that she's a pit bull and therefore inherently evil.
if she's so evil and aggressive, siren shouldn't be able to come over
and take rawhides right out of luce's mouth.
siren is fearless! :)
but i didn't even bother.
just, fine, whatever.
the assistant lady even said to the instructor "aww she just wants to
play" but she's too high risk. feh. she's not. she might be when she
gets older and more mature, but right now, she's puppy.
the first day i brought her into that woman's shop (the instructor
also owns/runs the petshop) she immediately jumped up and grabbed her
standard poodle and whisked him away. it makes me sad. i suppose i
didn't expect such blatant prejudice from another dog person. from the
general public, yes, but one would think that a person running a dog
obedience class would be more knowledgeable. apparently not.
bah.
i think it is the behavior of many pit bull owners, and their training the
dogs to be aggressive and violent, that has led to the stereotyping of pit
bulls.
the other dog owners in your class don't know you and your dog well enough
to know that eleusis is not so dangerous.
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| User: "elegy" |
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15 Jan 2004 09:14:04 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:49:38 GMT, "son of the yellow river"
<huangmABC@earthABClink.ABCnet> wrote:
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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[...]
they had doggy playtime at the end of class but we were not invited. i
was disappointed. luce acts like a lunatic, yes, but not any more than
a couple of the other dogs (the mix dog and a golden). she's not
aggressive, she wants to play with the other dogs, but her carrying on
must seem like aggression, i guess. either that or it's just purely
that she's a pit bull and therefore inherently evil.
if she's so evil and aggressive, siren shouldn't be able to come over
and take rawhides right out of luce's mouth.
siren is fearless! :)
hehe no. just dumb.
but i didn't even bother.
just, fine, whatever.
the assistant lady even said to the instructor "aww she just wants to
play" but she's too high risk. feh. she's not. she might be when she
gets older and more mature, but right now, she's puppy.
the first day i brought her into that woman's shop (the instructor
also owns/runs the petshop) she immediately jumped up and grabbed her
standard poodle and whisked him away. it makes me sad. i suppose i
didn't expect such blatant prejudice from another dog person. from the
general public, yes, but one would think that a person running a dog
obedience class would be more knowledgeable. apparently not.
bah.
i think it is the behavior of many pit bull owners, and their training the
dogs to be aggressive and violent, that has led to the stereotyping of pit
bulls.
the other dog owners in your class don't know you and your dog well enough
to know that eleusis is not so dangerous.
right. but they also don't know us well enough to know that she *is*.
she has shown no signs of aggression there. signs of idiocy, to be
sure, but no worse than the other two unruly dogs in the class. but
golden retrievers aren't "dangerous". nor are aussie cattle dogs i
guess. because they both got to stay.
it makes me kind of sad for my dog. it's not her fault, you know?
maybe that's why i chose the breed i did. because i feel misunderstood
and prejudged too.
:-/
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
15 Jan 2004 02:00:06 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:14:04 -0500, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
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right. but they also don't know us well enough to know that she *is*.
she has shown no signs of aggression there. signs of idiocy, to be
sure, but no worse than the other two unruly dogs in the class. but
golden retrievers aren't "dangerous". nor are aussie cattle dogs i
guess. because they both got to stay.
it makes me kind of sad for my dog. it's not her fault, you know?
maybe that's why i chose the breed i did. because i feel misunderstood
and prejudged too.
:-/
do you have a dog park somewhere?
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| User: "elegy" |
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15 Jan 2004 07:19:06 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:00:06 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:14:04 -0500, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
wrote:
right. but they also don't know us well enough to know that she *is*.
she has shown no signs of aggression there. signs of idiocy, to be
sure, but no worse than the other two unruly dogs in the class. but
golden retrievers aren't "dangerous". nor are aussie cattle dogs i
guess. because they both got to stay.
it makes me kind of sad for my dog. it's not her fault, you know?
maybe that's why i chose the breed i did. because i feel misunderstood
and prejudged too.
:-/
do you have a dog park somewhere?
no and i wouldn't take her if i did. a space like that is too hard to
supervise her the way she needs to be supervised when playing with
other dogs. i don't think i'd take any dog to a dogpark, actually.
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| User: "wombn" |
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15 Jan 2004 10:02:59 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:19:06 -0500, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:00:06 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:14:04 -0500, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
wrote:
right. but they also don't know us well enough to know that she *is*.
she has shown no signs of aggression there. signs of idiocy, to be
sure, but no worse than the other two unruly dogs in the class. but
golden retrievers aren't "dangerous". nor are aussie cattle dogs i
guess. because they both got to stay.
it makes me kind of sad for my dog. it's not her fault, you know?
maybe that's why i chose the breed i did. because i feel misunderstood
and prejudged too.
:-/
do you have a dog park somewhere?
no and i wouldn't take her if i did. a space like that is too hard to
supervise her the way she needs to be supervised when playing with
other dogs. i don't think i'd take any dog to a dogpark, actually.
oh. ok
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| User: "son of the yellow river" |
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15 Jan 2004 08:56:41 PM |
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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the other dog owners in your class don't know you and your dog well
enough
to know that eleusis is not so dangerous.
right. but they also don't know us well enough to know that she *is*.
true.
she has shown no signs of aggression there. signs of idiocy, to be
sure, but no worse than the other two unruly dogs in the class. but
golden retrievers aren't "dangerous". nor are aussie cattle dogs i
guess. because they both got to stay.
it makes me kind of sad for my dog. it's not her fault, you know?
no, it isn't. she seems like a sweet dog.
maybe that's why i chose the breed i did. because i feel misunderstood
and prejudged too.
:-/
i know that feeling. i feel like i'm always misunderstood and prejudged.
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14 Jan 2004 04:12:20 PM |
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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i suppose i didn't expect such blatant prejudice from another dog person.
But the Jack Russell owner should?
"that stupid jack russell puppy came in"
thank god. i didn't have to kick her in the shins like i was planning."
It's no wonder you were excluded from playtime.
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| User: "elegy" |
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14 Jan 2004 07:32:25 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:12:20 GMT, "Rhiannon" <rhiannon_@rogers.com>
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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i suppose i didn't expect such blatant prejudice from another dog person.
But the Jack Russell owner should?
if you're talking about my problems with the jrt and the woman owning
it, it has nothing to do with breed prejudice. it has to do with a
woman who is totally owned by a puppy who needs a strong leader and
who couldn't stay out of my fucking space last week.
"that stupid jack russell puppy came in"
thank god. i didn't have to kick her in the shins like i was planning."
It's no wonder you were excluded from playtime.
<raised eyebrows>
you take a rowdy adolescent dog to obedience class where you have
enough trouble keeping her from bouncing off the ceiling in the first
place, add a woman with a puppy who has no idea what polite behaviour
in a dog class is, and tell me how patient and understanding you are.
i couldn't learn anything from the class because i was too busy trying
to keep my dog calm because her dog kept coming over and yapping at
it, which she didn't do anything about because she thought it was
cute. i don't give a ***** WHAT breed of dog it was, that's just RUDE.
it's like the people at petsmart who allow their dogs to come and jump
on my dog and think it's funny. it's not. i don't care what breeds are
involved. it's inappropriate.
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17 Jan 2004 12:35:31 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:12:20 GMT, "Rhiannon" <rhiannon_@rogers.com>
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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if you're talking about my problems with the jrt and the woman owning
it, it has nothing to do with breed prejudice. it has to do with a
woman who is totally owned by a puppy who needs a strong leader and
who couldn't stay out of my fucking space last week.
I assume her dog's disobedience is why she's there, however, you're right, I
would _not_ have found her dog's interference cute. I run into people like
that all the time, and it makes me crazy. And you're right about the owner
too. Jack's do need strong leader's. They are a very unusual and
aggressive breed who need strong, and consistent discipline. Personally, I
think they're the bipolar's of the canine world, which my vet said was
entirely possible, but not the kind of thing you can confirm accurately.
They are also deceiving because they are small. At twenty one pounds mine
looks like an adorable little puppy that people tend to fling themselves at
without warning, but in the worst possible circumstances she could take a
finger clean off a grown man. My personal space when I'm walking her,
always on a leash btw, is very important to maintain, so what you said rings
true with me. I would have been ***** as well.
you take a rowdy adolescent dog to obedience class where you have
enough trouble keeping her from bouncing off the ceiling in the first
place, add a woman with a puppy who has no idea what polite behaviour
in a dog class is, and tell me how patient and understanding you are.
i couldn't learn anything from the class because i was too busy trying
to keep my dog calm because her dog kept coming over and yapping at
it, which she didn't do anything about because she thought it was
cute. i don't give a ***** WHAT breed of dog it was, that's just RUDE.
it's like the people at petsmart who allow their dogs to come and jump
on my dog and think it's funny. it's not. i don't care what breeds are
involved. it's inappropriate.
I suppose though I was leaning towards their bad behaviour being the reason
they are in obedience class in the first place, and why I would have been
more relenting. I also over reacted because I found the "kick her in the
shins" comment rather disturbing from an animal lover. However, all of what
you said above is true, and in the same situation, I would have been as
annoyed and frustrated as you were. As for breed prejudice, that is not
something I subscribe to. Any transgression, serious or otherwise, that an
animal commits can be traced back to owner irresponsibility, regardless of
breed. I have never owned a pit, but have several close friends who do, and
they are wonderful and loving pets, that I have never felt afraid or unsure
of. It's sad that a dog only gets press when it has done something wrong.
As far as people doing stupid things in petsmart or the park or any number
of other places where I have had to act as a buffer between my special girl,
and some idiot who might mean well, but doesn't think first, I have had my
fill as well. The thing I find most strange is that fellow dog owner's who
should know better, usually don't. Finish out the course you paid for, but
if you continue to have problems you might benefit from private classes.
They tend to be a little more expensive, but without all the distractions,
and one on one training, the dog tends to learn faster, so you won't need as
many.
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Rhiannon
rhiannon_@rogers.com
(rhiannon underscore at rogers dot com)
The Labyrinth of the Divine Miss Rhiannon
a.k.a. The Wondrous One
'll tell you in another life. When we are both cats."
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
14 Jan 2004 12:23:30 PM |
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elegy wrote:
the first day i brought her into that woman's shop (the instructor
also owns/runs the petshop) she immediately jumped up and grabbed her
standard poodle and whisked him away.
Argh. This makes me mad. My mom had a rottie/dobie cross that was the
biggest, scariest looking dog around and people would cross to the other
side of the street if they saw him. That is to be expected. But the
professionals, as in the vets who cared for him, all knew what a goofy
baby he really was and treated him well. This woman that you speak of
sounds like she's not a real professional.
-Skorch (who enjoys the luce stories!)
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| User: "elegy" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
14 Jan 2004 07:24:49 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:23:30 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
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elegy wrote:
the first day i brought her into that woman's shop (the instructor
also owns/runs the petshop) she immediately jumped up and grabbed her
standard poodle and whisked him away.
Argh. This makes me mad. My mom had a rottie/dobie cross that was the
biggest, scariest looking dog around and people would cross to the other
side of the street if they saw him. That is to be expected. But the
professionals, as in the vets who cared for him, all knew what a goofy
baby he really was and treated him well. This woman that you speak of
sounds like she's not a real professional.
-Skorch (who enjoys the luce stories!)
^,,^<
blah, she is and she isn't. i wish i had gone to the real dog training
center, not a petstore, but it's so far away, and i missed signups
anyway. a friend i work with is taking her dog to a place down there
and the classes are *so* much different than mine.
poor luce. her body language isn't aggressive at all. she just wants
to play. i wish they understood.
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| User: "Skorch" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
15 Jan 2004 02:41:32 PM |
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elegy wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:23:30 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
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This woman that you speak of
sounds like she's not a real professional.
blah, she is and she isn't. i wish i had gone to the real dog training
center, not a petstore, but it's so far away, and i missed signups
anyway. a friend i work with is taking her dog to a place down there
and the classes are *so* much different than mine.
poor luce. her body language isn't aggressive at all. she just wants
to play. i wish they understood.
Well, at least these classes aren't hurting luce in any manner. Even if
they're not wildly helpful, better classes after this are an option, right?
And why is doggy playtime by invitation only? Is it supposed to be a
reward type thing?
-Skorch
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| User: "elegy" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
15 Jan 2004 07:17:02 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:41:32 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
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elegy wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:23:30 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
wrote:
This woman that you speak of
sounds like she's not a real professional.
blah, she is and she isn't. i wish i had gone to the real dog training
center, not a petstore, but it's so far away, and i missed signups
anyway. a friend i work with is taking her dog to a place down there
and the classes are *so* much different than mine.
poor luce. her body language isn't aggressive at all. she just wants
to play. i wish they understood.
Well, at least these classes aren't hurting luce in any manner. Even if
they're not wildly helpful, better classes after this are an option, right?
yup. and it's good for her to at least be around other dogs. i'm
hoping i'll be able to find a saturday morning class at one of the
real doggy training places in the spring.
And why is doggy playtime by invitation only? Is it supposed to be a
reward type thing?
not a reward, really. just fun for the pups. i understand she wants to
prevent possible problems. i just think it's unfair to label luce a
problem when she hasn't done anything wrong.
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| User: "Sita" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
17 Jan 2004 03:27:05 PM |
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This is a little off the topic, but I wanted to tell about a neighbor I had
when we lived in our old house, while I was growing up.
They got a cute little mixed puppy, and he would follow the children all
over town. He was so friendly. Well, when the dog got older, the family
grew bored with him, so they put him on a leash in the back yard. The dog
was never taken off that leash. The only time he got attention was when
they would feed him, or when the little kids would go out back and tease him
by hitting him with a stick. My parents called animal welfare quite a few
times but nothing was ever done. Eventually the dog grew mean, and whenever
someone went past the dog on his leash, he would come flying out of his
little dog house growling and spitting, and you just knew if that dog could
break from his leash he'd try to kill someone.
My point is, I guess, that it doesn't matter what breed you have, if you
treat the dog badly enough, he can be dangerous. Maybe some dogs have the
potential to become more dangerous than other dogs, but I can hardly see a
dog with an owner who is taking the time to go to dog obedience classes with
him becoming a killer just because he's a Pit Bull. Never underestimate the
stupidity of some people.
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:41:32 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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elegy wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:23:30 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
wrote:
This woman that you speak of
sounds like she's not a real professional.
blah, she is and she isn't. i wish i had gone to the real dog training
center, not a petstore, but it's so far away, and i missed signups
anyway. a friend i work with is taking her dog to a place down there
and the classes are *so* much different than mine.
poor luce. her body language isn't aggressive at all. she just wants
to play. i wish they understood.
Well, at least these classes aren't hurting luce in any manner. Even if
they're not wildly helpful, better classes after this are an option,
right?
yup. and it's good for her to at least be around other dogs. i'm
hoping i'll be able to find a saturday morning class at one of the
real doggy training places in the spring.
And why is doggy playtime by invitation only? Is it supposed to be a
reward type thing?
not a reward, really. just fun for the pups. i understand she wants to
prevent possible problems. i just think it's unfair to label luce a
problem when she hasn't done anything wrong.
--
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http://shattering.org
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| User: "Naomi Darvell" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
15 Jan 2004 05:57:31 PM |
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It's incredible. Right now in the news in Chicago, an alderman is trying to get
pit bulls banned. Her comments included:
"Have you heard of any other particular breed that has, in fact, killed or
maimed someone? . . . It would almost seem there's something inherent in this
particular breed."
I had to laugh at that. One of my relatives almost died from a bite from a
little foo-foo dog. A chocolate lab came running out through an electric fence
and bit Poppy around the middle as if she were a sausage. Those dogs that
killed the woman in San Francisco a few years ago were not pit bulls, either.
Did you see the article by Cathleen Shine in a recent New Yorker about the dog
she adopted that bit? That wasn't a pitbull either. It was a little mixed-breed
stray that had been mistreated.
Naomi D.
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| User: "elegy" |
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
15 Jan 2004 07:15:11 PM |
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On 15 Jan 2004 23:57:31 GMT, (Naomi Darvell) wrote:
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It's incredible. Right now in the news in Chicago, an alderman is trying to get
pit bulls banned. Her comments included:
"Have you heard of any other particular breed that has, in fact, killed or
maimed someone? . . . It would almost seem there's something inherent in this
particular breed."
there was another one of these stories posted on the pitbull forum,
and the person writing the article made a comment about teaching her
pomeranian-mix to attack or something like that. what made it
especially funny was that in 2001 a pom did in fact attack and kill a
baby. (google it.)
I had to laugh at that. One of my relatives almost died from a bite from a
little foo-foo dog. A chocolate lab came running out through an electric fence
and bit Poppy around the middle as if she were a sausage. Those dogs that
killed the woman in San Francisco a few years ago were not pit bulls, either.
oh sure. lots of dogs bite. cocker spaniels have been near the top of
the bite list for years. we actually put down a golden retriever a
while ago at work because it chewed up a kid pretty good. they sent it
out for rabies testing. it was, of course, negative. a golden
retriever. the ultimate family dog.
Did you see the article by Cathleen Shine in a recent New Yorker about the dog
she adopted that bit? That wasn't a pitbull either. It was a little mixed-breed
stray that had been mistreated.
a lot of dogs bite. when a pit bites, they usually do a lot of damage.
and right now they're the dog of choice for assholes. which is sad.
but what happens when they ban them? the assholes will just move on to
a different breed. there are lots of dogs out there with the potential
to be nasty. pits are just the poster child right now.
all these people are out to ban certain breeds. funny how nobody wants
to deal with, you know, the irresponsible dog owners. or the people
who breed a zillion dogs of bad temperment in their backyard.
regulation of those things, would, imho, go a lot further. but i
imagine they actually require a little effort, and god forbid we have
that.
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
14 Jan 2004 01:33:53 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:23:30 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
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This woman that you speak of
sounds like she's not a real professional.
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| Title: Re: obedience class week two: pit bull prejudice |
14 Jan 2004 07:25:05 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:33:53 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:23:30 -0500, Skorch <skorchkat@hotmail.com>
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This woman that you speak of
sounds like she's not a real professional.
NODNOD
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