On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:17:05 -0600, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:

because I am an American who grew up
somewhere else,

?????

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Teilhard Knight wrote:

<janeohara50@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1104247802.085797.218800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

C'mon, Bush and Kerry had very different ideas about Iraq, Kerry
felt we needed to recognize that we had made a mistake and develop an
exit strategy that included helping the Iraqi people rebuild there
infrastructure.
Bush never once has said that he thinks we are in the wrong to try
to impose government on another country. I have always wondered how we
got around the laws of sovernty here. He is like a dog with a bone. He
will never stop , no matter how high the body count goes, no matter how
many mother's sons die.
What is his objective anyway, to fight terror, or spread democracy, or
what??
It's nuts, you can not impose ideology on people , it simply doesnt'
work.
This war is nuts ,,,,, its like throwing gasoline on a fire.
What the heck does finish the job mean anyway. Like we are going to
tie everything up in a neat little bow. Get everybody on the same
page, are you insane , right, that's going to happen. It's not our
buisness. If they do not present a direct threat to our safety we have
not rights to decide thier future. This is basic stuff don't you think?

Yes I do think. Couldn't agree more with you. But do not tell, because I
have no right to criticize the US because I am an American who grew up
somewhere else, and my loyalties are obviously somewhere else.

Of course you have a right to criticize the US. The thing is at what
point does criticism cross over into bashing? Bashing isn't criticism.
Bashing separates from and leave any *genuine* concern expressed by
the initial criticism. People who bash look to events not for what
they are, but merely as tools to use to pile onto the thing they love to
bash.

e.g. One can criticize the gov't of Mexico, one can criticize Mexican
culture. However, if that same person starts saying Vicente Fox is
worse than Stalin, or that all Mexicans are mojados sucios, then their
criticism loses any serious merit. If Fox does something stupid or
harmful to the people of Mexico, it's right to criticism that action. A
bigot however would merely take that criticism and use it to demonstrate
how evil and stupid the Mexicans are. Or else Fox might do something
beneign, and the basher will take that beneign thing, find a tiny little
piece within it to criticize, and blow up that portion all out of
context to it's actual importance.

Look what % does with you. He's a Teil-basher. No matter what you do
or say, he's going to use it against you. He'll never acknowledge
anything you do that might be beneign or even decent. And he focuses on
you to the exclusion of others. Someone else might say the same thing
as you in a thread here. He'll ignore the other person and highlight
you instead, even if you both say the same thing.

Another example: Marty's criticism of jews have no weight. They are not
worthy of comment. Does that mean people can't criticize jews or
Israel? No. It means that when you start posting pictures of
anti-semetic art from Nazi Germany, at that moment any legitimate point
or criticism of Jews or Israel that you may have has been swamped by the
bigotry surrounding your message. Your potentially legitimate point
becomes a little piece of meat in a large bowl of *****. Yeah, there's
meat there, but so what?

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Teilhard Knight wrote:

<janeohara50@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1104247802.085797.218800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

C'mon, Bush and Kerry had very different ideas about Iraq, Kerry
felt we needed to recognize that we had made a mistake and develop an
exit strategy that included helping the Iraqi people rebuild there
infrastructure.
Bush never once has said that he thinks we are in the wrong to try
to impose government on another country. I have always wondered how we
got around the laws of sovernty here. He is like a dog with a bone. He
will never stop , no matter how high the body count goes, no matter how
many mother's sons die.
What is his objective anyway, to fight terror, or spread democracy, or
what??
It's nuts, you can not impose ideology on people , it simply doesnt'
work.
This war is nuts ,,,,, its like throwing gasoline on a fire.
What the heck does finish the job mean anyway. Like we are going to
tie everything up in a neat little bow. Get everybody on the same
page, are you insane , right, that's going to happen. It's not our
buisness. If they do not present a direct threat to our safety we have
not rights to decide thier future. This is basic stuff don't you think?

Yes I do think. Couldn't agree more with you. But do not tell, because I
have no right to criticize the US because I am an American who grew up
somewhere else, and my loyalties are obviously somewhere else.

Of course you have a right to criticize the US. The thing is at what
point does criticism cross over into bashing? Bashing isn't criticism.
Bashing separates from and leave any *genuine* concern expressed by the
initial criticism. People who bash look to events not for what they
are, but merely as tools to use to pile onto the thing they love to bash.

e.g. One can criticize the gov't of Mexico, one can criticize Mexican
culture. However, if that same person starts saying Vicente Fox is worse
than Stalin, or that all Mexicans are mojados sucios, then their criticism
loses any serious merit. If Fox does something stupid or harmful to the
people of Mexico, it's right to criticism that action. A bigot however
would merely take that criticism and use it to demonstrate how evil and
stupid the Mexicans are. Or else Fox might do something beneign, and the
basher will take that beneign thing, find a tiny little piece within it to
criticize, and blow up that portion all out of context to it's actual
importance.

Look what % does with you. He's a Teil-basher. No matter what you do or
say, he's going to use it against you. He'll never acknowledge anything
you do that might be beneign or even decent. And he focuses on you to the
exclusion of others. Someone else might say the same thing as you in a
thread here. He'll ignore the other person and highlight you instead,
even if you both say the same thing.

Another example: Marty's criticism of jews have no weight. They are not
worthy of comment. Does that mean people can't criticize jews or Israel?
No. It means that when you start posting pictures of anti-semetic art
from Nazi Germany, at that moment any legitimate point or criticism of
Jews or Israel that you may have has been swamped by the bigotry
surrounding your message. Your potentially legitimate point becomes a
little piece of meat in a large bowl of *****. Yeah, there's meat there,
but so what?