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Sociology > Depression |
| User: |
"alvintchase" |
| Date: |
15 Oct 2004 01:40:51 AM |
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"On Nationalism" |
Question:What is it that comes when nationalism goes?
Krishnamurti:Obviously,intelligence.But I am afraid that is not the
implication in this question.The implication is,what can be
substituted for nationalism?Any substitution is an act which does not
bring intelligence.If I leave one religion and join another,or leave
one political party and later on join something else,this constant
substitution indicates a state in which there is no intelligence.
How does nationalism go?Only by understanding it's full
implications,by examining it,by being aware of it's significance in
outward and inward action.Outwardly it brings about divisions between
people,classifications,wars and destruction,which is obvious to anyone
who is observant.Inwardly,psychologically,this identification with the
greater,the country,with an idea,is obviously a form of self
expansion.Living in a little village or a big town or whatever it may
be,I am nobody;But If I identify with the larger,with the country,If I
call myself a Hindu,it flatters my vanity,it gives me
gratification,prestige,a sense of well being;and that identification
with the larger,which is a psychological necessity for those who feel
that self expansion is essential,also creates,conflict,strife between
people.Thus nationalism not only creates outward conflictbut inward
frustrations;When one understands nationalism,the whole process of
nationalism,it falls away.The understanding of nationalism comes
through intelligence,by carefully observing,by probing into the whole
process of nationalism,patriotism.Out of that examination comes
intelligence and then there is no substitution of something else for
nationalism.The moment you substitute religion for
nationalism,religion becomes another means of self expansion,another
source of psycholoigical anxiety,a means of feeding oneself through a
belief.Therefore any form of substitution,however noble,is a foem of
ignorance.It is like a man substituting chewing gum or or betel nut or
whatever it si for smoking,whereas if one really understands the whole
problem of smoking,of habits,sensations,psychological demands,and all
the rest of it,then smoking drops away.You can understand only when
there is a development of intelligence,when intelligence is
functioning,and intelligence is not functioning when there is
substitution.Substitution is merely a form of self bribery,to tempt
you not to do this,but to do that.Nationalism,with it's poison,with
it's misery and world strife,can disappear only when there is
inteligence,and intelligence does not come merely by passimg
examinations and studying books.Intelligence comes into being when we
understand problems as they arise.When there is understanding of the
problem at it's different levels,not only of the ouward part but of
it's inward,psychological implications,then in that
process,intelligence comes into being.So when there is
intelligence,there is no substitution;and when there is
intelligence,then nationalism,patriotism,which is a form of
stupidity,disappears.
-From "The First & Last Freedom" by Krishnamurti
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: "On Nationalism" |
15 Oct 2004 03:03:41 PM |
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In message <a78957eb.0410142240.551d441f@posting.google.com>,
alvintchase <relayer211@hotmail.com> writes
Question:What is it that comes when nationalism goes?
Internationalism?
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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