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"Indigo Moon Man" |
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09 Feb 2004 04:56:44 PM |
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On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/apr02/inhofe.htm
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 01:08:24 AM |
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Good article. Thanks for the link.
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http://www.freeman.org/m_online/apr02/inhofe.htm
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| User: "Gus" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 06:40:58 AM |
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You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists terrorised
500,000 Palestinians off their land?
Gus.
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 07:41:12 AM |
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Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
No, actually the whole thing started when the palestinians decided that
Israel doesn't have the right to exist.
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| User: "Gus" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 09:53:26 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
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Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
No, actually the whole thing started when the palestinians decided that
Israel doesn't have the right to exist.
The Zionists refused to even let the Palestinians co-exist. Their belief was
that Jews could never live together with other ethnic groups. Arab
Palestinians had been living together with other ethnic groups for many
years before the Zionists arrived. The Palestinians weren't born
anti-semites despite the propaganda you've clearly been raised on.
Gus.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 09:57:26 PM |
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"Gus" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:c0an2b$154761$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de...
Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
No, actually the whole thing started when the palestinians decided that
Israel doesn't have the right to exist.
The Zionists refused to even let the Palestinians co-exist. Their belief
was
that Jews could never live together with other ethnic groups. Arab
Palestinians had been living together with other ethnic groups for many
years before the Zionists arrived. The Palestinians weren't born
anti-semites despite the propaganda you've clearly been raised on.
Gus.
yes they were
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 10:11:40 PM |
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Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:c0an2b$154761$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de...
Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
No, actually the whole thing started when the palestinians decided that
Israel doesn't have the right to exist.
The Zionists refused to even let the Palestinians co-exist. Their belief
was that Jews could never live together with other ethnic groups. Arab
Palestinians had been living together with other ethnic groups for many
years before the Zionists arrived. The Palestinians weren't born
anti-semites despite the propaganda you've clearly been raised on.
Ah, and here come the personal attacks. I don't play that game. Bye now.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 11:08:10 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
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Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:c0an2b$154761$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de...
Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
No, actually the whole thing started when the palestinians decided that
Israel doesn't have the right to exist.
The Zionists refused to even let the Palestinians co-exist. Their belief
was that Jews could never live together with other ethnic groups. Arab
Palestinians had been living together with other ethnic groups for many
years before the Zionists arrived. The Palestinians weren't born
anti-semites despite the propaganda you've clearly been raised on.
Ah, and here come the personal attacks. I don't play that game. Bye now.
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i saw this coming three posts ago
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 11:23:16 PM |
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% <surfs@uniserve> spake thusly:
The Zionists refused to even let the Palestinians co-exist. Their belief
was that Jews could never live together with other ethnic groups. Arab
Palestinians had been living together with other ethnic groups for many
years before the Zionists arrived. The Palestinians weren't born
anti-semites despite the propaganda you've clearly been raised on.
Ah, and here come the personal attacks. I don't play that game. Bye
now.
i saw this coming three posts ago
I was beginning to think we might actually get through the thread without
them. But I was wrong.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 11:29:36 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
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% <surfs@uniserve> spake thusly:
The Zionists refused to even let the Palestinians co-exist. Their
belief
was that Jews could never live together with other ethnic groups. Arab
Palestinians had been living together with other ethnic groups for
many
years before the Zionists arrived. The Palestinians weren't born
anti-semites despite the propaganda you've clearly been raised on.
Ah, and here come the personal attacks. I don't play that game. Bye
now.
i saw this coming three posts ago
I was beginning to think we might actually get through the thread without
them. But I was wrong.
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time and experience , you know the rules ,
you saw it but had hope , *** ENNNNNNH *** , error
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
11 Feb 2004 08:22:30 AM |
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% <surfs@uniserve> spake thusly:
i saw this coming three posts ago
I was beginning to think we might actually get through the thread without
them. But I was wrong.
time and experience , you know the rules ,
you saw it but had hope , *** ENNNNNNH *** , error
Yeah, I hoped against hope that it would be different this time. I guess
I'm just an optomist at heart.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
11 Feb 2004 12:45:52 AM |
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In message <c0an2b$154761$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>, Indigo Moon
Man <indigomoon@bonbon.net> writes
Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
No, actually the whole thing started when the palestinians decided that
Israel doesn't have the right to exist.
I thought it all started when the Zionists gave up their original plan
to buy land in Abyssinia (Ethiopia now) and set up the Jewish homeland
there.
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
11 Feb 2004 01:17:29 AM |
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The "real" problem, of course, is that there is no such thing as "when
it really started." Depending on who you are and what you want to
believe, you can go as far back in history as you like to support your
side. In that direction lies nothing but useless rage.
The "real" problem is that, whatever the history may or may not have
been, the present is the way it is. Appeals to history to settle
arguments are worse than an enormous waste of time: They fuel
resentment and violence and preclude meaningful solutions. However
attractive a select set of historical arguments may be, their
seductive appeal offers nothing but more death and madness.
European elitists have often sneered at the US for its lack of
history, failing to realize that a lack of history can be a tremendous
advantage. If you don't have much history, you don't have generations
of resentment propagating constantly into new explosions of violence,
fueling an endless feedback loop of bloodshed.
History is a good thing to do without at times. Peace will not come to
the Middle East as long as those who live there look to the past (real
or imagined) to decide how the future should be. It will only come
when they accept the realities of the present and build what they can
with what they have.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <c0an2b$154761$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>, Indigo
Moon
Man <indigomoon@bonbon.net> writes
Gus <blah@blah.com> spake thusly:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
No, actually the whole thing started when the palestinians decided
that
Israel doesn't have the right to exist.
I thought it all started when the Zionists gave up their original
plan
to buy land in Abyssinia (Ethiopia now) and set up the Jewish
homeland
there.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Hap Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
11 Feb 2004 10:23:35 AM |
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"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The "real" problem, of course, is that there is no such thing as "when
it really started." Depending on who you are and what you want to
believe, you can go as far back in history as you like to support your
side. In that direction lies nothing but useless rage.
The "real" problem is that, whatever the history may or may not have
been, the present is the way it is. Appeals to history to settle
arguments are worse than an enormous waste of time: They fuel
resentment and violence and preclude meaningful solutions. However
attractive a select set of historical arguments may be, their
seductive appeal offers nothing but more death and madness.
European elitists have often sneered at the US for its lack of
history, failing to realize that a lack of history can be a tremendous
advantage. If you don't have much history, you don't have generations
of resentment propagating constantly into new explosions of violence,
fueling an endless feedback loop of bloodshed.
History is a good thing to do without at times. Peace will not come to
the Middle East as long as those who live there look to the past (real
or imagined) to decide how the future should be. It will only come
when they accept the realities of the present and build what they can
with what they have.
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D
That is a good point.
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| User: "Flashfire" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 02:33:55 PM |
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Gus wrote:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
Gus.
Do you realise this whole process started, when Roman Centurions, terrorised
hebrew farmers off thier land 2000 years ago.
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No one is compelled to serve great causes,
unless he feels fit for it.
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| User: "Gus" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 09:50:56 PM |
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"Flashfire" <flashfire@swift_dsl.com.au> wrote in message
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Gus wrote:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
Gus.
Do you realise this whole process started, when Roman Centurions,
terrorised
hebrew farmers off thier land 2000 years ago.
So 2 wrongs make a right?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 09:56:56 PM |
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"Gus" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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"Flashfire" <flashfire@swift_dsl.com.au> wrote in message
news:40293ee2$0$10525$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...
Gus wrote:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
Gus.
Do you realise this whole process started, when Roman Centurions,
terrorised
hebrew farmers off thier land 2000 years ago.
So 2 wrongs make a right?
you're wrong and he's wrong so i guess they do
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| User: "Gus" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
11 Feb 2004 03:53:23 AM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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"Gus" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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"Flashfire" <flashfire@swift_dsl.com.au> wrote in message
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Gus wrote:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
Gus.
Do you realise this whole process started, when Roman Centurions,
terrorised
hebrew farmers off thier land 2000 years ago.
So 2 wrongs make a right?
you're wrong and he's wrong so i guess they do
Go have a drink.
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: On Peace in the Middle East (sp: politics) |
10 Feb 2004 08:22:08 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:33:55 +1000, "Flashfire"
<flashfire@swift_dsl.com.au> wrote:
Gus wrote:
You do realise that this whole problem started when the Zionists
terrorised 500,000 Palestinians off their land?
Gus.
Do you realise this whole process started, when Roman Centurions, terrorised
hebrew farmers off thier land 2000 years ago.
actually, I think it may have started way back in the time of Joshua,
right after Moses and wandering in the desert for 40 years....
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