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16 Jun 2005 04:24:45 PM |
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On the concept of human perfection |
Much of the Western thought centers itself around the idea that people
are imperfect. Out of that conclusion, people say such things as "there
cannot be a perfect culture" or "there cannot be a perfect knowledge"
or "there cannot be a perfect society."
My question: What do you mean by "perfect"?
It may seem like a shock, but different cultures have different ideas
of what makes for perfection. The Christians consider perfection to be
a matter of being Christ-like - a state that they believe nobody can
attain, but that is the key to eternal paradise through Jesus. The
Hindus and Buddhists consider perfection to be a matter of ridding
one's soul of all bad karma and the desires that they view to be
impure, and of finding one's way into a place of complete love and
compassion, in order to attain liberation and merger into the divine.
The Muslims consider perfection to be a matter of following sharia; the
Jews, of following the Commandments; the Confucians, of fitting in
perfectly with the deified social order; the Taoists, of ridding
oneself of the poison of society and going with the Tao - the invisible
flow of nature and mind that they consider the divine.
And this is only for the religions. As far as secular ideologies are
concerned, Communists regard perfection as being completely selfless
and dedicated to the service of the cause of Communism, objectivists
regard perfection as being completely self-motivated, logical (which
they define as being based utterly in self-interest) and self-
determining, and many in science community regard perfection as being
completely rational and open-minded and dedicated to pursuit of
knowledge. Other ideologies, from 18th century enlightenment onwards,
all had their own idea of what makes a perfect human being.
Now I ask you this question. With all these definitions of what makes
a perfect person running around, how can anyone be perfect at all? Is
it possible to be a perfect Taoist and a perfect Communist at the
same time? How about a perfect Hindu and a perfect objectivist? What we
have, it seems to me, is a kaleidoscope of all the different colors
through which we can see the light in different manifestations - which
all rearrange themselves with every change in available knowledge - and
whose flux creates a moving picture through which can be seen
different aspects of the light - but in which no light can be gleamed
whole.
What is perfection? It is believed that people are imperfect; the same
idea however has not been applied to nature. I had seven perfect cats -
perfect because they were what nature intended for them to be: clever,
beautiful, sweet, loving creatures. The trees outside my window are
perfect. The Sun is perfect. Why, then, not people?
It is my belief that the reason for this is that we judge people's
perfection in a different way than we judge that of nature. While
plants and animals are made perfect by being fulfillment of their
natural propensities, people are regarded as perfect if they subvert
themselves to one or another social or moral code. While animals are
made perfect by being who they are, people are supposedly made perfect
by striving to be something other than what they are: To be Jesus, to
be Gandhi, to be Bill Gates, to be Abraham Lincoln, but never to be
themselves.
And that is the reason we get the silly notion all over the place that
people are imperfect - and the bad philosophies and social dynamics
that stem from that notion.
I ask you this. Is a cat made perfect by being the best cat it can be,
or is it made perfect by trying to be a dog? Is a Persian cat made
perfect by being the best Persian cat it can be, or is it made perfect
by trying to be a Russian Blue or a British Shorthair?
In the same way, the concept of most cultures of what constitutes
human perfection is badly and horribly flawed. It is based on changing
one's nature in order to be something that one cannot be - that one
can never be - while preventing one from being the best thing that one
can be.
How can a human being be perfect? Emphatically not by trying to
emulate anyone else - whether it be parents, relatives, business or
political leaders, religious figures or anyone else. Rather, it is by
being the best human being that he or she can be, given his or her
natural propensities, talents, and potential. It is by being the most
complete, most wise, most developed, most potent, most loving, most
beautiful manifestation of what that person can be given their gifts
and their possibilities. And it is this perfection - true perfection as
human being - perfection that is the most complete fruition of what
exists inside as potential - that is the true human perfection -
achievable human perfection - and human perfection that, in a free
interaction with other similarly realized people, can create a perfect
culture, perfect society and perfect world.
Ilya Shambat.
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| User: "AE" |
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17 Jun 2005 03:28:28 PM |
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wrote:
Much of the Western thought centers itself around the idea that people
are imperfect. Out of that conclusion, people say such things as "there
cannot be a perfect culture" or "there cannot be a perfect knowledge"
or "there cannot be a perfect society."
My question: What do you mean by "perfect"?
Being in full conformance with a theoretical concept.
The actual meaning of "perfection" depends on the theoretical concept used.
BTW: There is something like a perfect cat if you are a breeder. And as
well as a perfect human it is not likely to exist.
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:19:51 PM |
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"AE" <hidden@nospam.com> wrote in message
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: wrote:
: > Much of the Western thought centers itself around the idea that people
: > are imperfect. Out of that conclusion, people say such things as "there
: > cannot be a perfect culture" or "there cannot be a perfect knowledge"
: > or "there cannot be a perfect society."
: >
: > My question: What do you mean by "perfect"?
:
: Being in full conformance with a theoretical concept.
:
: The actual meaning of "perfection" depends on the theoretical concept
used.
:
: BTW: There is something like a perfect cat if you are a breeder. And as
: well as a perfect human it is not likely to exist.
If you can find a cat the will live forever without any disease,
not scratch or be irritated and open its own food, then maybe
you'll have a perfect cat. You might have a nearly perfect cat
in the sense of a breeder's standard or show standard but then
you have to look at the imperfection in the standard, the people
who are judging, and the wishful thinking of those who wish to
find perfection in something ...
- written by a recovering perfectionist, having not recovered
that much ... : -)
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| User: "AE" |
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18 Jun 2005 05:37:01 AM |
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cat rancher wrote:
AE wrote:
: wrote:
: > Much of the Western thought centers itself around the idea that people
: > are imperfect. Out of that conclusion, people say such things as "there
: > cannot be a perfect culture" or "there cannot be a perfect knowledge"
: > or "there cannot be a perfect society."
: >
: > My question: What do you mean by "perfect"?
:
: Being in full conformance with a theoretical concept.
:
: The actual meaning of "perfection" depends on the theoretical concept
used.
:
: BTW: There is something like a perfect cat if you are a breeder. And as
: well as a perfect human it is not likely to exist.
If you can find a cat the will live forever without any disease,
not scratch or be irritated and open its own food, then maybe
you'll have a perfect cat. You might have a nearly perfect cat
in the sense of a breeder's standard or show standard but then
you have to look at the imperfection in the standard, the people
who are judging, and the wishful thinking of those who wish to
find perfection in something ...
- written by a recovering perfectionist, having not recovered
that much ... : -)
I beg to differ: I don't want a cat to live forever nor do I want it to
open it's own food. Obviously we've got different standards to define
perfection.
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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18 Jun 2005 10:41:51 AM |
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"AE" <hidden@nospam.com> wrote in message
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: cat rancher wrote:
: > AE wrote:
: > : wrote:
: > : > Much of the Western thought centers itself around the idea that
people
: > : > are imperfect. Out of that conclusion, people say such things as
"there
: > : > cannot be a perfect culture" or "there cannot be a perfect
knowledge"
: > : > or "there cannot be a perfect society."
: > : >
: > : > My question: What do you mean by "perfect"?
: > :
: > : Being in full conformance with a theoretical concept.
: > :
: > : The actual meaning of "perfection" depends on the theoretical concept
: > used.
: > :
: > : BTW: There is something like a perfect cat if you are a breeder. And
as
: > : well as a perfect human it is not likely to exist.
: >
: > If you can find a cat the will live forever without any disease,
: > not scratch or be irritated and open its own food, then maybe
: > you'll have a perfect cat. You might have a nearly perfect cat
: > in the sense of a breeder's standard or show standard but then
: > you have to look at the imperfection in the standard, the people
: > who are judging, and the wishful thinking of those who wish to
: > find perfection in something ...
: > - written by a recovering perfectionist, having not recovered
: > that much ... : -)
:
: I beg to differ: I don't want a cat to live forever nor do I want it to
: open it's own food. Obviously we've got different standards to define
: perfection.
Why do you substitute perfection for 'meeting the standard for the
breed' or something like that? Perfectionism is serious neurosis in
a lot of people, imo.
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| User: "AE" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:07:29 PM |
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cat rancher wrote:
AE wrote:
: cat rancher wrote:
: > ...
: > If you can find a cat the will live forever without any disease,
: > not scratch or be irritated and open its own food, then maybe
: > you'll have a perfect cat. You might have a nearly perfect cat
: > in the sense of a breeder's standard or show standard but then
: > you have to look at the imperfection in the standard, the people
: > who are judging, and the wishful thinking of those who wish to
: > find perfection in something ...
: > - written by a recovering perfectionist, having not recovered
: > that much ... : -)
:
: I beg to differ: I don't want a cat to live forever nor do I want it to
: open it's own food. Obviously we've got different standards to define
: perfection.
Why do you substitute perfection for 'meeting the standard for the
breed' or something like that?
I'm simply telling that my requirements for a perfect cat are different
to yours.
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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20 Jun 2005 02:46:16 AM |
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"AE" <hidden@nospam.com> wrote in message
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: cat rancher wrote:
: > AE wrote:
: > : cat rancher wrote:
: > : > ...
: > : > If you can find a cat the will live forever without any disease,
: > : > not scratch or be irritated and open its own food, then maybe
: > : > you'll have a perfect cat. You might have a nearly perfect cat
: > : > in the sense of a breeder's standard or show standard but then
: > : > you have to look at the imperfection in the standard, the people
: > : > who are judging, and the wishful thinking of those who wish to
: > : > find perfection in something ...
: > : > - written by a recovering perfectionist, having not recovered
: > : > that much ... : -)
: > :
: > : I beg to differ: I don't want a cat to live forever nor do I want it
to
: > : open it's own food. Obviously we've got different standards to define
: > : perfection.
: >
: > Why do you substitute perfection for 'meeting the standard for the
: > breed' or something like that?
:
: I'm simply telling that my requirements for a perfect cat are different
: to yours.
:
: > ...
To me the word perfection, its use and the effect is has on people
is undesirable, but I am not the word police, at least no one has
sent me a paycheck yet... : -)
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| User: "AE" |
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20 Jun 2005 01:28:52 PM |
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cat rancher wrote:
...
To me the word perfection, its use and the effect is has on people
is undesirable, but I am not the word police, at least no one has
sent me a paycheck yet... : -)
To me it depends on the context. There are indeed things where I'm
seeking to get closer to perfection, but I'm following the idea only
when the journey is the reward.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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17 Jun 2005 04:35:55 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:28:28 +0200, AE wrote:
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
Much of the Western thought centers itself around the idea that people
are imperfect. Out of that conclusion, people say such things as "there
cannot be a perfect culture" or "there cannot be a perfect knowledge"
or "there cannot be a perfect society."
My question: What do you mean by "perfect"?
Being in full conformance with a theoretical concept.
The actual meaning of "perfection" depends on the theoretical concept
used.
BTW: There is something like a perfect cat if you are a breeder. And as
well as a perfect human it is not likely to exist.
On the contrary... I am perfect. I'm exactly what I'm supposed to be.
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:20:53 PM |
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: On the contrary... I am perfect. I'm exactly what I'm supposed to be.
I remember thinking that myself and I don't think that is perfection but
self-acceptance. Good for you.
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| User: "AE" |
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18 Jun 2005 05:38:17 AM |
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Ivan Marsh wrote:
AE wrote:
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
Much of the Western thought centers itself around the idea that people
are imperfect. Out of that conclusion, people say such things as "there
cannot be a perfect culture" or "there cannot be a perfect knowledge"
or "there cannot be a perfect society."
My question: What do you mean by "perfect"?
Being in full conformance with a theoretical concept.
The actual meaning of "perfection" depends on the theoretical concept
used.
BTW: There is something like a perfect cat if you are a breeder. And as
well as a perfect human it is not likely to exist.
On the contrary... I am perfect. I'm exactly what I'm supposed to be.
You might be perfect according to the standard you've defined yourself -
that's in accordance with my statement above.
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| User: "" |
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18 Jun 2005 09:34:18 AM |
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Plato considered the world he saw so imperfect he placed "perfection"
in the abstract domain - something that can only be grasped by the
mind. Does the abstraction "perfection" exist in the west prior to
Plato?
Later, of course, the Christians appropriate this abstraction, largely
due to St. Augustine, who was a neo-Platonist prior to his conversion.
In the hands of the Christians, it became a club used beat into
humanity a sense of its innate sinfulness and depravity. "Christ" is
perfection and you are not. God is perfection and you are far from his
"glory" and etc. nauseating bits crafted to humiliate and oppress the
mind.
I think you have, once again, misunderstood Taoism Ilya. What I take
from Taoism (really a mystical philosophy and not a scraggly and wicked
"religion") is that everything is perfect as it is - as it it flows.
The Tao does its thing and it is perfect.
Cat
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| User: "bob" |
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18 Jun 2005 09:56:07 AM |
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On 18 Jun 2005 07:34:18 -0700, wrote:
I think you have, once again, misunderstood Taoism Ilya.
You forgot a comma.
What I take
from Taoism (really a mystical philosophy and not a scraggly and wicked
"religion") is that everything is perfect as it is - as it it flows.
The Tao does its thing and it is perfect.
Read the second chapter of the Tao Te Ching then read the last
sentence you wrote.
You do not understand Tao.
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| User: "Pete Turk" |
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19 Jun 2005 08:13:20 AM |
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In article <1118957085.392028.201720@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com writes
Now I ask you this question. With all these definitions of what makes
a perfect person running around, how can anyone be perfect at all? Is
it possible to be a perfect Taoist and a perfect Communist at the
same time?
Ilya Shambat.
It's certainly possible, Ilya. I know two of them. They're
here, now, as it happens -- as I type ...
First of all, Communism is an ideology, an historicist creed,
a hope, an aim, plus a plan ('Praxis') to bring these about.
And a "perfect" communist, IMO, would, first of all, have
complete faith in a form of 'historicism', the proposition that
the whole post-medieval world will _inevitably_ end-up in a
particular form (in this case, a communist world) whatever
anyone does or does not do to help or hinder it.
Which counts me out right away.
But notice the context. Communism talks about the _earth_,
and _industrialised society_, its precursor, and possible future
form. It does _not_ talk about anything further out.
Taoism, on the other hand, talks about _everything_
(i.e. the known Universe) even though it refers to it, quaintly,
as 'heaven-[and]-earth' or T'ien Hsia '[all]-under-heaven'.
Taoism is a _way_ [pun!:] of seeing things.
If Taoism talks about _everything_, ... and that everything is
AS IT IS, why on earth drag in completely-redundant words like
"perfect[ion]"?! The very idea makes no sense to it ...
And 'Taoists' ([im]perfect, poison-eliminating, OR polluting)
can be thought of as:
-- every sentient being alive at this moment
or
-- every sentient being alive at this moment, but who also
believes that the Tao (or any off-world analogue) is
the most productive way of perceiving "all-that-is".
or
-- the 'sage' (= 'canny'-, 'smart'-person) à la Tao Te Ching.
So it's perfectly possible to be a "perfect" Communist
(whatever you'd take THAT to mean) _and_ Taoist at one and the
same time.
As I said, I know two, and they're with me now. We're
having a cold beer.
Oh -- one of them just said "That word ('perfection') has got
Ilya S by the short-and-curlies. And 'religion' has done
the same to every single damn Yank!" [and no, he didn't say
say 'damn' ... :]
P.S. They _say_ they are perfect C's and T's
-- and that's good enough for me!
P.P.S The beer was LOVELY ...
'Knowing ignorance is strength.
Ignoring knowledge is sickness.
If one is sick of sickness, then one is not sick.
The sage is not sick because he is sick of sickness.
Therefore he is not sick.'
Lao Tsu 'Tao Te Ching' # 71
Pete Turk <Pete@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA President and Moonshadow
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May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
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| User: "" |
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18 Jun 2005 02:16:31 PM |
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Most of my thoughts center around the fact that I am a wanker. Because
of this, people say such things as "you should kill yourself" or "stop
preying on women in support groups" or "you define societal dredge."
My question: Why don't people like "wankers"?
It may seem like a shock, but different cultures have different ideas
about masturbating in public. The Christians consider public wankers to
be
pariahs - a status that wankers themselves never believed they'd
attain,
but that's because wankers are delusional . The Hindus and Buddhists
consider public wanking to be a matter of filling one's soul with bad
karma
because of desires they view to be impure and when the find one of us
wankers in a public place they have little compassion because they feel
that
we should be able to control ourselves. The Muslims consider public
wanking
to be a matter best cured by shears; the Jews, believe in following the
example set
in Genesis 38:10; the Confucians (who are, at times, very confused),
beleve that
it is impossible to measure the minds of public wankers by reflection
because
reflecting on their actions is too distasteful; the Taoists, believe
"wack off in public and you will not endure".
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| User: "bob" |
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19 Jun 2005 10:33:21 AM |
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On 18 Jun 2005 12:16:31 -0700, wrote:
Most of my thoughts center around the fact that I am a wanker. Because
of this, people say such things as "you should kill yourself" or "stop
preying on women in support groups" or "you define societal dredge."
My question: Why don't people like "wankers"?
It may seem like a shock, but different cultures have different ideas
about masturbating in public. The Christians consider public wankers to
be pariahs - a status that wankers themselves never believed they'd
attain, but that's because wankers are delusional . The Hindus and Buddhists
consider public wanking to be a matter of filling one's soul with bad
karma because of desires they view to be impure and when the find one of us
wankers in a public place they have little compassion because they feel
that we should be able to control ourselves. The Muslims consider public
wanking to be a matter best cured by shears; the Jews, believe in following the
example set in Genesis 38:10; the Confucians (who are, at times, very confused),
beleve that it is impossible to measure the minds of public wankers by reflection
because reflecting on their actions is too distasteful; the Taoists, believe
"wack off in public and you will not endure".
Is Ilya schizophrenic?
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:42:33 PM |
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"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On 18 Jun 2005 12:16:31 -0700, wrote:
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: >Most of my thoughts center around the fact that I am a wanker. Because
: >of this, people say such things as "you should kill yourself" or "stop
: >preying on women in support groups" or "you define societal dredge."
: >
: >My question: Why don't people like "wankers"?
: >
: >It may seem like a shock, but different cultures have different ideas
: >about masturbating in public. The Christians consider public wankers to
: >be pariahs - a status that wankers themselves never believed they'd
: >attain, but that's because wankers are delusional . The Hindus and
Buddhists
: >consider public wanking to be a matter of filling one's soul with bad
: >karma because of desires they view to be impure and when the find one of
us
: >wankers in a public place they have little compassion because they feel
: >that we should be able to control ourselves. The Muslims consider public
: >wanking to be a matter best cured by shears; the Jews, believe in
following the
: >example set in Genesis 38:10; the Confucians (who are, at times, very
confused),
: >beleve that it is impossible to measure the minds of public wankers by
reflection
: >because reflecting on their actions is too distasteful; the Taoists,
believe
: >"wack off in public and you will not endure".
:
: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
not the worst, but pretty bad.
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| User: "bob" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:15:06 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
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: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
not the worst, but pretty bad.
I'll try to do better!
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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20 Jun 2005 02:45:06 AM |
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"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
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: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
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: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
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: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
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: I'll try to do better!
At least you have a sense of humor.
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| User: "bob" |
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20 Jun 2005 04:49:24 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:45:06 -0700, "cat rancher"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
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: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
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: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
: >
: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
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: I'll try to do better!
At least you have a sense of humor.
At least you have the sense to move towards closure..
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20 Jun 2005 07:35:57 PM |
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"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:45:06 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
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: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >news:tgkbb1lnfsvc6560f5o8hufs04h3tnd0lc@4ax.com...
: >: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
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: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
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: >: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
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: >: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
: >:
: >: I'll try to do better!
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: >At least you have a sense of humor.
:
: At least you have the sense to move towards closure..
Ah, closure. Fritz Perlz would be proud.
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| User: "bob" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
20 Jun 2005 08:25:57 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:35:57 -0700, "cat rancher"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:45:06 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >news:tgkbb1lnfsvc6560f5o8hufs04h3tnd0lc@4ax.com...
: >: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: >
: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
: >:
: >: >:
: >: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
: >: >
: >: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
: >:
: >: I'll try to do better!
: >
: >At least you have a sense of humor.
:
: At least you have the sense to move towards closure..
Ah, closure. Fritz Perlz would be proud.
Get Stark!
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
21 Jun 2005 02:02:00 AM |
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"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:35:57 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >news:maeeb1p2da19q2esbgp806losdbaigmlom@4ax.com...
: >: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:45:06 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: >
: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >: >news:tgkbb1lnfsvc6560f5o8hufs04h3tnd0lc@4ax.com...
: >: >: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >: >:
: >: >: >
: >: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
: >: >:
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
: >: >: >
: >: >: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >: >: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
: >: >:
: >: >: I'll try to do better!
: >: >
: >: >At least you have a sense of humor.
: >:
: >: At least you have the sense to move towards closure..
: >
: >Ah, closure. Fritz Perlz would be proud.
: >
: Get Stark!
Stark?
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| User: "bob" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
21 Jun 2005 05:30:13 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:02:00 -0700, "cat rancher"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:35:57 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >news:maeeb1p2da19q2esbgp806losdbaigmlom@4ax.com...
: >: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:45:06 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: >
: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >: >news:tgkbb1lnfsvc6560f5o8hufs04h3tnd0lc@4ax.com...
: >: >: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >: >:
: >: >: >
: >: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
: >: >:
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
: >: >: >
: >: >: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >: >: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
: >: >:
: >: >: I'll try to do better!
: >: >
: >: >At least you have a sense of humor.
: >:
: >: At least you have the sense to move towards closure..
: >
: >Ah, closure. Fritz Perlz would be proud.
: >
: Get Stark!
Stark?
Gestalt ... Get Stark.
bob
- I admit it was a bit of a stretch
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
21 Jun 2005 08:18:36 PM |
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"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:02:00 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >news:t4reb1l15vjhffpm9i3k9vk4ormfmd976c@4ax.com...
: >: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:35:57 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: >
: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >: >news:maeeb1p2da19q2esbgp806losdbaigmlom@4ax.com...
: >: >: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:45:06 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >: >:
: >: >: >
: >: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >: >: >news:tgkbb1lnfsvc6560f5o8hufs04h3tnd0lc@4ax.com...
: >: >: >: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: >: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >: >: >: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: I'll try to do better!
: >: >: >
: >: >: >At least you have a sense of humor.
: >: >:
: >: >: At least you have the sense to move towards closure..
: >: >
: >: >Ah, closure. Fritz Perlz would be proud.
: >: >
: >: Get Stark!
: >
: >Stark?
: >
: Gestalt ... Get Stark.
:
: bob
: - I admit it was a bit of a stretch
Sorry, I still don't get it. Don't worry about a stretch,
I'm famous for that and then changing the subject ... : -)
Is it a sort of rearranging of the letters? I posted Gestalt
because closure is a big deal in Gestalt therapy. : -)
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| User: "bob" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
22 Jun 2005 06:48:25 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:18:36 -0700, "cat rancher"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:02:00 -0700, "cat rancher"
: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >news:t4reb1l15vjhffpm9i3k9vk4ormfmd976c@4ax.com...
: >: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:35:57 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: >
: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >: >news:maeeb1p2da19q2esbgp806losdbaigmlom@4ax.com...
: >: >: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:45:06 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >: >:
: >: >: >
: >: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
: >: >: >news:tgkbb1lnfsvc6560f5o8hufs04h3tnd0lc@4ax.com...
: >: >: >: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:42:33 -0700, "cat rancher"
: >: >: >: <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: >"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote:
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: >: Is Ilya schizophrenic?
: >: >: >: >
: >: >: >: >That's the worst kind of name calling. Well, maybe
: >: >: >: >not the worst, but pretty bad.
: >: >: >:
: >: >: >: I'll try to do better!
: >: >: >
: >: >: >At least you have a sense of humor.
: >: >:
: >: >: At least you have the sense to move towards closure..
: >: >
: >: >Ah, closure. Fritz Perlz would be proud.
: >: >
: >: Get Stark!
: >
: >Stark?
: >
: Gestalt ... Get Stark.
:
: bob
: - I admit it was a bit of a stretch
Sorry, I still don't get it. Don't worry about a stretch,
I'm famous for that and then changing the subject ... : -)
Is it a sort of rearranging of the letters? I posted Gestalt
because closure is a big deal in Gestalt therapy. : -)
heh
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| User: "foamyseasquirl" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of getting some |
23 Jun 2005 05:50:49 PM |
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"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:18:36 -0700, "cat rancher" wrote:
Sorry, I still don't get it. Don't worry about a stretch,
I'm famous for that and then changing the subject ... : -)
Is it a sort of rearranging of the letters? I posted Gestalt
because closure is a big deal in Gestalt therapy. : -)
heh
Closure . . . *extreme* closure.
L
'I'm so not the person to be making that joke'
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
21 Jun 2005 08:24:32 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, bob wrote:
- I admit it was a bit of a stretch
"Bureaucratic collectivism."
D.
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"When people grow up they get stinky." -St. Jennifer of the Knife
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| User: "bob" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
22 Jun 2005 06:50:02 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:24:32 -0400, David <thedavid@shell.rawbw.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, bob wrote:
- I admit it was a bit of a stretch
"Bureaucratic collectivism."
I actually thought about how best to explain my humor. I'm worried
that I'm becoming a blue pill person.
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| User: "cat rancher" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
22 Jun 2005 08:50:22 PM |
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"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:24:32 -0400, David <thedavid@shell.rawbw.com>
: wrote:
:
: >On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, bob wrote:
:
: >> - I admit it was a bit of a stretch
: >
: >"Bureaucratic collectivism."
: >
: I actually thought about how best to explain my humor. I'm worried
: that I'm becoming a blue pill person.
I feel like an old person sitting next to an old person,
both of whom are deaf and talking about totally different
subjects.
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| User: "bob" |
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| Title: Re: On the concept of human perfection |
23 Jun 2005 05:07:27 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:50:22 -0700, "cat rancher"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
"bob" <thanatos@coldmail.nu> wrote in message
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: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:24:32 -0400, David <thedavid@shell.rawbw.com>
: wrote:
:
: >On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, bob wrote:
:
: >> - I admit it was a bit of a stretch
: >
: >"Bureaucratic collectivism."
: >
: I actually thought about how best to explain my humor. I'm worried
: that I'm becoming a blue pill person.
I feel like an old person sitting next to an old person,
both of whom are deaf and talking about totally different
subjects.
I know what you mean.
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