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"Teilhard Knight" |
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13 Apr 2005 04:34:53 AM |
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One more for the geeks in here |
I have started suspecting that one of my problems to have Linux in my 486 is
that I am trying to install the OS in a logical partition. Take, for example
Deli Linux and a version of Slackware from the times of Win 3.1, I don't
remember the version. Upon reading the install instructions when you are
going to share Linux with another OS, they assume that you do not have much
HD space and you are installing with at most one other OS (Win 95, DOS, or
whatever). They tell you to make two PRIMARY partitions, one for Linux
itself and another for the swap. They do not bother to say what would happen
if you install in logical partitions. What do you know about this? Am I
doing wrong in installing in logical partitions? Since when Linux is
installable in logical partitions?
Another source of problem is my Drive Overlay. Slackware simply refuses to
boot with it. Even the boot and root disks do not run past the Overlay. And
Deli Linux is damn slow the way I am doing things. it is not supposed to be
like that, but run at least as easy as Win 95.
Your advise?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: One more for the geeks in here |
13 Apr 2005 06:43:57 PM |
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Overlay software sucks, buy a new ide card. ebay - ATA 66 promise cards
4 primary partitions /drive
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I have started suspecting that one of my problems to have Linux in my 486
is
that I am trying to install the OS in a logical partition. Take, for
example
Deli Linux and a version of Slackware from the times of Win 3.1, I don't
remember the version. Upon reading the install instructions when you are
going to share Linux with another OS, they assume that you do not have
much
HD space and you are installing with at most one other OS (Win 95, DOS, or
whatever). They tell you to make two PRIMARY partitions, one for Linux
itself and another for the swap. They do not bother to say what would
happen
if you install in logical partitions. What do you know about this? Am I
doing wrong in installing in logical partitions? Since when Linux is
installable in logical partitions?
Another source of problem is my Drive Overlay. Slackware simply refuses to
boot with it. Even the boot and root disks do not run past the Overlay.
And
Deli Linux is damn slow the way I am doing things. it is not supposed to
be
like that, but run at least as easy as Win 95.
Your advise?
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Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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| Title: Re: One more for the geeks in here |
13 Apr 2005 07:03:59 PM |
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Overlay software sucks, buy a new ide card. ebay - ATA 66 promise cards
4 primary partitions /drive
I also have 4 primary partitions in my disk, only, one is extended. The card
you mention is an ISA card?, because we are speaking of a computer pre-pci
slots.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: One more for the geeks in here |
13 Apr 2005 07:10:46 PM |
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Then ***** ide, buy cheap old scsi from ebay...would help performance too
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Overlay software sucks, buy a new ide card. ebay - ATA 66 promise cards
4 primary partitions /drive
I also have 4 primary partitions in my disk, only, one is extended. The
card you mention is an ISA card?, because we are speaking of a computer
pre-pci slots.
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Teilhard Knight
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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13 Apr 2005 07:24:52 PM |
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Then ***** ide, buy cheap old scsi from ebay...would help performance too
I have an SCSI ISA card in the system and a 30+ Gig SCSI HD in the closet.
Just tell me: with the card, the BIOS will see all the disk? I know nothing
about SCSI.
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"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Overlay software sucks, buy a new ide card. ebay - ATA 66 promise cards
4 primary partitions /drive
I also have 4 primary partitions in my disk, only, one is extended. The
card you mention is an ISA card?, because we are speaking of a computer
pre-pci slots.
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Teilhard Knight
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: One more for the geeks in here |
13 Apr 2005 07:27:33 PM |
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scsi controllers have their own bios
scsi is wonderful
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Then ***** ide, buy cheap old scsi from ebay...would help performance too
I have an SCSI ISA card in the system and a 30+ Gig SCSI HD in the closet.
Just tell me: with the card, the BIOS will see all the disk? I know
nothing about SCSI.
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Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
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"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c5p5tF6isov4U1@individual.net...
Overlay software sucks, buy a new ide card. ebay - ATA 66 promise cards
4 primary partitions /drive
I also have 4 primary partitions in my disk, only, one is extended. The
card you mention is an ISA card?, because we are speaking of a computer
pre-pci slots.
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Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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13 Apr 2005 07:39:12 PM |
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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scsi controllers have their own bios
scsi is wonderful
Still, 30+ Gig for a 486 is too much space, considering what you can run in
it. I could rely on better performance if I had more RAM.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: One more for the geeks in here |
13 Apr 2005 09:42:54 PM |
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Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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scsi controllers have their own bios
Still, 30+ Gig for a 486 is too much space, considering what you can run in
it. I could rely on better performance if I had more RAM.
Use it for services to the rest of your household network and run X on
it as a terminal. That way, X is faster and everything is put to good
use. You could store all the source and everything for it and still have
room to serve 28Gb of files. audio files, for instance, or fonts,
anything you would like to use on all the household computers. It could
also handle all of the internal system mail. NetBSD would work better
than any Linux or other OS distribution for that, better than commercial
operating systems of the time of the 486. Running it as a terminal, you
could use programs on other machines that would simply not run at all or
be too slow when run locally on the 486.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: One more for the geeks in here |
13 Apr 2005 07:55:53 PM |
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why do you need 30gig to run a closet?
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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scsi controllers have their own bios
scsi is wonderful
Still, 30+ Gig for a 486 is too much space, considering what you can run
in it. I could rely on better performance if I had more RAM.
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Teilhard Knight
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: One more for the geeks in here |
13 Apr 2005 06:45:21 AM |
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Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
Since when Linux is installable in logical partitions?
Quite awhile now, years.
Another source of problem is my Drive Overlay.
That's probably all of your problem.
Slackware simply refuses to boot with it. Even the boot and root disks
do not run past the Overlay.
How are you trying to boot it? Where is the overlay coming from?
Sometimes you have to use a DOS loader like LOADLIN or SYSLINUX.
Deli Linux is damn slow the way I am doing things. it is not supposed to be
like that, but run at least as easy as Win 95.
That may have to do with the disk. Which filesystem did you choose?
Journaling with an overlay would likely not work, I don't know. Also,
DeLiLinux is not as small, light and fast as it could be. Blackbox,
metacity or ratpoison could all make the GUI faster. See what you can
disable, some linux distributions install with all the lights on and the
kitchen sink running.
You can also do without a GUI and learn to use something like screen.
That's what I'm doing right now, using an operating system of the
future, but it looks like the early eighties. Without running things
through X display, most things you do are faster.
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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13 Apr 2005 06:56:24 PM |
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"Bev Thornton" <Reply-To@Not.Invalid> wrote in message
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Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
Since when Linux is installable in logical partitions?
Quite awhile now, years.
But, how many?
Another source of problem is my Drive Overlay.
That's probably all of your problem.
I wouldn't argue with you here.
Slackware simply refuses to boot with it. Even the boot and root disks
do not run past the Overlay.
How are you trying to boot it?
With LILO.
Where is the overlay coming from?
I don't get you here. All overlays I know come from Ontrack.
Sometimes you have to use a DOS loader like LOADLIN or SYSLINUX.
I'll try with Loadlin. If it doesn't work, I'll have top reject the
Slackware, which, by the way, I like it a lot.
Deli Linux is damn slow the way I am doing things. it is not supposed to
be
like that, but run at least as easy as Win 95.
That may have to do with the disk. Which filesystem did you choose?
Ext2
Journaling with an overlay would likely not work, I don't know. Also,
DeLiLinux is not as small, light and fast as it could be. Blackbox,
metacity or ratpoison could all make the GUI faster. See what you can
disable, some linux distributions install with all the lights on and the
kitchen sink running.
You can also do without a GUI and learn to use something like screen.
That's what I'm doing right now, using an operating system of the
future, but it looks like the early eighties. Without running things
through X display, most things you do are faster.
I want to run Icewm. It is not too much to ask, is it?
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| User: "gravity" |
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13 Apr 2005 07:39:49 PM |
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Journaling with an overlay would likely not work, I don't know. Also,
DeLiLinux is not as small, light and fast as it could be. Blackbox,
metacity or ratpoison could all make the GUI faster. See what you can
disable, some linux distributions install with all the lights on and the
kitchen sink running.
go through inetd.conf and any other config scripts that start services.
check what's running with ps. then get rid of all gettys (except one) in
inittab. i've used Ion3 in some cases and it's fairly light. all screens
will be full size though, or half or third. or use text only and run GNU
screen. i wouldn't mess with the pseudo-GUIs like Twin.
Screen is pretty nifty with text-mode apps. the browsing will kind of suck,
but links or links -g are OK.
m.
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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13 Apr 2005 07:58:54 PM |
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"gravity" <gravity@example.net> wrote in message
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Journaling with an overlay would likely not work, I don't know. Also,
DeLiLinux is not as small, light and fast as it could be. Blackbox,
metacity or ratpoison could all make the GUI faster. See what you can
disable, some linux distributions install with all the lights on and
the
kitchen sink running.
go through inetd.conf and any other config scripts that start services.
check what's running with ps. then get rid of all gettys (except one) in
inittab. i've used Ion3 in some cases and it's fairly light. all screens
will be full size though, or half or third. or use text only and run GNU
screen. i wouldn't mess with the pseudo-GUIs like Twin.
Screen is pretty nifty with text-mode apps. the browsing will kind of
suck,
but links or links -g are OK.
I can do that when I install. Still, first I need a way to boot Linux. I
cannot start it.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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13 Apr 2005 08:22:19 PM |
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Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <Reply-To@Not.Invalid> wrote in message
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Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
Since when Linux is installable in logical partitions?
Quite awhile now, years.
But, how many?
I don't know anymore, it's been awhile. Maybe the 2.x series kernels?
With LILO.
LILO bites, its limited.
Where is the overlay coming from?
I don't get you here. All overlays I know come from Ontrack.
There are two kinds. One can run only one OS from its own drive and the
other can have variations on diskettes or on a menu. With the former,
you install a boot manager with the first OS and use it to install the
rest. LILO may not work for that kind, I don't know, but I think you
have to use SYSLINUX or LOADLIN. With the latter, you can install each
OS independently and put a bootmanager on when you're done, any
bootmanager you want. If it's the kind that can make a menu, you can use
that as the bootmanager, but they're a bit sluggish and lack useful
features.
I'll try with Loadlin. If it doesn't work, I'll have top reject the
Slackware, which, by the way, I like it a lot.
Slackware and anything based on it is a bit much for a 486. X is a bit
much for a 486.
That may have to do with the disk. Which filesystem did you choose?
Ext2
Good.
I want to run Icewm. It is not too much to ask, is it?
I don't know, it might be a bit much for an old computer. There are some
lighter running ones, Blackbox, Fluxbox and Openbox, and ion and
ratpoison. The last two aren't for everybody, they're different. Oh, and
there are the ones in the X distribution, they aren't so bad once you
get used to them.
Did you try Damn Small Linux? <http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/>
<http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html>
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