i dont think that just because rates of medication have gone up that it's
because no one used to ever have adhd. i think those kids often quit
school and the law wasn't up a parents ***** to keep them in school back
then. things were different before. more people had farms and ranches and
businesses. they needed kids to help at home. school at one time was only
a privelege, then it was a choice. school used to be 8am till noon. then
it got extended
till 1, then 2, then 3, to suit the working parents needs when all the
farms and ranches were wiped out.

"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dan Hall wrote:

"Noon Cat Nick" <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@catlover.com> wrote in message
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harakiri wrote:

i wonder if our generation had ADHD kids. first i heard about it
was mid eighties. i know some adults with ADHD. barely finished
high school.

1973: Kid acts up, adult says, "He's on drugs."
2003: Kid acts up, adult says, "He needs drugs."

Noon Cat,
Do you consider all cases of ADHD/ADD to be "acting up"? Is it
possible that there may be some cases where the best doctors are
correct in prescribing meds?

Some cases perhaps, but nowhere near as many as get the drug to make
them more pliant. It's a travesty, imo.

Jean

I agree that many things (anything?) can be overdone. But it just

doesn't seem that straightforward. Maybe I look too hard for reasons
to understand?? I just keep trying. Damn, everything used to seem
more simple. -Dan

maybe, but if the kid can't sit still and shut up long enough to learn
something they need help. adhd is not only hyperactvity or
innattentiveness. (which alone is often just boredom) but real adhd
also includes anxiety, poor social skills, argumentativeness,
moodiness, falling on the floor and screaming temper tantrums. they
have an inability to sit still for even 10 seconds, feet tap the
desk, knees bounce up to the desk, pencil never stops tapping, they
don't stop talking, stop making sounds, often vocalizations that
aren't even words, car sounds, playing with the mouth sounds. its
hard to explain but some kids with real adhd (unmedicated) are never,
ever, ever silent untill they fall asleep not for one half minute at
a time. you cannot teach anything over that noise and other students
can't learn. these kids are a problem at day care and home and other
places as well, fighting and arguing with other kids and tearing the
place up, they're like human tornados. imagine 9 tornados in one
room and your seeing my job. :)


i dont think that just because rates of medication have gone up that
it's because no one used to ever have adhd. i think those kids often
quit school and the law wasn't up a parents ***** to keep them in
school back then. things were different before. more people had farms
and ranches and businesses. they needed kids to help at home. school
at one time was only a privelege, then it was a choice. school used
to be 8am till noon. then it got extended till 1, then 2, then 3, to
suit the working parents needs when all the farms and ranches were
wiped out. they're arent a lot left now compared to a long time ago.
boys used to grow up to be cowboys and ranchers, now they grow up to
go to college. girls grew up to be wives and mothers now they grow up
to be doctors and lawyers. school is 3 hrs longer than the 'old days'
just so parents can work more hours . farm work was all done in the
morning, at the crack of dawn and they could be home when the kids
got home then the kids had chores. things are not like that anymore.
there's a lot more to it.

"Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bqqcul$26hnsd$1@ID-66050.news.uni-berlin.de...

Dan Hall wrote:

Noon Cat,
Do you consider all cases of ADHD/ADD to be "acting up"? Is it
possible that there may be some cases where the best doctors are
correct in prescribing meds?

Some cases perhaps, but nowhere near as many as get the drug to make
them more pliant. It's a travesty, imo.

maybe, but if the kid can't sit still and shut up long enough to learn
something they need help. adhd is not only hyperactvity or innattentiveness.
(which alone is often just boredom) but real adhd also includes anxiety,
poor social skills, argumentativeness, moodiness, falling on the floor and
screaming temper tantrums. they have an inability to sit still for even 10
seconds, feet tap the desk, knees bounce up to the desk, pencil never stops
tapping, they don't stop talking, stop making sounds, often vocalizations
that aren't even words, car sounds, playing with the mouth sounds. its hard
to explain but some kids with real adhd (unmedicated) are never, ever, ever
silent untill they fall asleep not for one half minute at a time. you cannot
teach anything over that noise and other students can't learn. these kids
are a problem at day care and home and other places as well, fighting and
arguing with other kids and tearing the place up, they're like human
tornados. imagine 9 tornados in one room and your seeing my job. :)

Alan Harding wrote:

In message <bqqctc$25ties$1@ID-66050.news.uni-berlin.de>, Luna
<jean_collins@hotmail.com> writes

My eldest son was a nightmare in kindergarten - teacher called us in
and told us to get him to a pdoc right away to get him evaluated -
we took him to a psychologist first (thank god) who tested his IQ,
turns out he was in the 99 zillionth percentile. He was just bored.

One of the most important things we learn as we grow up is how to
avoid killing people out of boredom.

heh, i think that's a guy thing, I've never had a homicidal impulse in
my life. However, I do remember fantasizing that my ex husband (while we
were married) would get into some kind of fatal accident.

I think that's pretty typical of a girl-type homicidal fantasy.

That's a fucking tragedy, Lee. :( I bet it happens ALL the time,
too.

My son is doing very well now. No thanks to me, really. He is just
one of those people with transcendence built in.

Hi Flashfire,
in retrospect, what should have been done? what
should have happened?