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User: "elegy"
Date: 18 Dec 2003 08:25:18 AM
Object: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids
why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the stuff
that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're trying
to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and bring
them over to their side??
i just don't get it.
<http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=593>
Fur flies over flier: PETA targets ‘Nutcracker’ kids
By David Weber
Wednesday, December 17, 2003
Animal rights advocates will single out small children at performances
of ``The Nutcracker'' in the next few weeks by handing out fliers
saying ``Your Mommy Kills Animals'' to youngsters whose mothers are
wearing fur.
``Children can't look up to a mom in a battered-raccoon hat or a
crushed coyote collar,'' said Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals. ``Maybe when they're confronted by
their own children's hurt looks, fur-wearers' cold hearts will melt.''
The fliers include a color drawing of a woman plunging a large
bloody knife into the belly of a terrified rabbit. The fliers urge
kids to ``ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her
fur clothes.
``And the sooner she stops wearing fur, the sooner the animals
will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from
mommy - she's an animal killer.''
Brookline child psychologist Dr. Carolyn Newberger called the
tactics ``terribly dangerous to children.''
``It's using children in the worst possible way,'' she said. ``If
(the activists) want to legitimately work to protect animals from
destruction for fashion, they have every right to. But to do so by
targeting children and making them feel their mothers are murderers is
absolutely unconscionable.''
Lisa Franzetta, a national coordinator for PETA, said the group
will launch its ``fur-ocious'' protest at `Nutcracker' performances in
as many as 20 cities across the United States.
Franzetta, who is based in California, said yesterday she did not
yet know when the protests will begin in Boston, where ``The
Nutcracker'' is playing at the Wang Center for the Performing Arts in
the Theater District.
Franzetta acknowledged the anti-fur campaign might spark a
backlash. ``It's definitely provocative, I will give you that,'' she
said.
Wang Center officials could not be reached for comment about the
planned protests.
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User: "Charles"

Title: Re: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids 18 Dec 2003 07:28:02 PM
Rush Limbaugh did a piece critical of this.
Be careful of the company you keep.
<:-)
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:25:18 -0500, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
wrote:

why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the stuff
that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're trying
to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and bring
them over to their side??

i just don't get it.



<http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=593>

Fur flies over flier: PETA targets ‘Nutcracker’ kids
By David Weber
Wednesday, December 17, 2003

Animal rights advocates will single out small children at performances
of ``The Nutcracker'' in the next few weeks by handing out fliers
saying ``Your Mommy Kills Animals'' to youngsters whose mothers are
wearing fur.
``Children can't look up to a mom in a battered-raccoon hat or a
crushed coyote collar,'' said Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals. ``Maybe when they're confronted by
their own children's hurt looks, fur-wearers' cold hearts will melt.''
The fliers include a color drawing of a woman plunging a large
bloody knife into the belly of a terrified rabbit. The fliers urge
kids to ``ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her
fur clothes.
``And the sooner she stops wearing fur, the sooner the animals
will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from
mommy - she's an animal killer.''
Brookline child psychologist Dr. Carolyn Newberger called the
tactics ``terribly dangerous to children.''
``It's using children in the worst possible way,'' she said. ``If
(the activists) want to legitimately work to protect animals from
destruction for fashion, they have every right to. But to do so by
targeting children and making them feel their mothers are murderers is
absolutely unconscionable.''
Lisa Franzetta, a national coordinator for PETA, said the group
will launch its ``fur-ocious'' protest at `Nutcracker' performances in
as many as 20 cities across the United States.
Franzetta, who is based in California, said yesterday she did not
yet know when the protests will begin in Boston, where ``The
Nutcracker'' is playing at the Wang Center for the Performing Arts in
the Theater District.
Franzetta acknowledged the anti-fur campaign might spark a
backlash. ``It's definitely provocative, I will give you that,'' she
said.
Wang Center officials could not be reached for comment about the
planned protests.

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User: "harakiri"

Title: Re: peta targets nutcracker kids 18 Dec 2003 06:18:28 PM
and the moms are most probably wearing fake fur!
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
news:71e3uvo9shee40h92e62nlusm1lmgmj0hm@4ax.com...

why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the stuff
that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're trying
to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and bring
them over to their side??

i just don't get it.




<http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=593>


Fur flies over flier: PETA targets ‘Nutcracker’ kids
By David Weber
Wednesday, December 17, 2003

Animal rights advocates will single out small children at performances
of ``The Nutcracker'' in the next few weeks by handing out fliers
saying ``Your Mommy Kills Animals'' to youngsters whose mothers are
wearing fur.
``Children can't look up to a mom in a battered-raccoon hat or a
crushed coyote collar,'' said Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals. ``Maybe when they're confronted by
their own children's hurt looks, fur-wearers' cold hearts will melt.''
The fliers include a color drawing of a woman plunging a large
bloody knife into the belly of a terrified rabbit. The fliers urge
kids to ``ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her
fur clothes.
``And the sooner she stops wearing fur, the sooner the animals
will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from
mommy - she's an animal killer.''
Brookline child psychologist Dr. Carolyn Newberger called the
tactics ``terribly dangerous to children.''
``It's using children in the worst possible way,'' she said. ``If
(the activists) want to legitimately work to protect animals from
destruction for fashion, they have every right to. But to do so by
targeting children and making them feel their mothers are murderers is
absolutely unconscionable.''
Lisa Franzetta, a national coordinator for PETA, said the group
will launch its ``fur-ocious'' protest at `Nutcracker' performances in
as many as 20 cities across the United States.
Franzetta, who is based in California, said yesterday she did not
yet know when the protests will begin in Boston, where ``The
Nutcracker'' is playing at the Wang Center for the Performing Arts in
the Theater District.
Franzetta acknowledged the anti-fur campaign might spark a
backlash. ``It's definitely provocative, I will give you that,'' she
said.
Wang Center officials could not be reached for comment about the
planned protests.


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User: "Indigo Moon Man"

Title: Re: peta targets nutcracker kids 18 Dec 2003 03:14:24 PM
elegy <elegy@shattering.org> spake thusly:


why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the stuff
that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're trying
to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and bring
them over to their side??

i just don't get it.


<http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=593>


Fur flies over flier: PETA targets 'Nutcracker' kids
By David Weber
Wednesday, December 17, 2003

Animal rights advocates will single out small children at performances
of ``The Nutcracker'' in the next few weeks by handing out fliers
saying ``Your Mommy Kills Animals'' to youngsters whose mothers are
wearing fur.

It's just PETA yet again showing their true colors. And what disturbing
colors they are. This is what happens when people and/or organizations come
to believe that they can do no wrong as long as they do it in the name of a
cause. Assaulting children like that is simply indefensible.
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a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
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User: "Don Quixote"

Title: Re: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids 22 Dec 2003 06:24:23 PM
elegy might have said:

why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the stuff
that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're trying
to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and bring
them over to their side??

i just don't get it.

[article snipped]
I saw one of them there PETA types (And I don't mean my kind of PETA
http://mtd.com/tasty/ ) on umm, CNN I think. He equated being old
with being greedy.
He didn't help his cause any here.
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User: "=?windows-1252?Q?10=A2_punk?="

Title: Re: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids 22 Dec 2003 08:07:18 AM
elegy wrote:

why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the stuff
that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're trying
to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and bring
them over to their side??

i just don't get it.



<http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=593>

Fur flies over flier: PETA targets ‘Nutcracker’ kids
By David Weber
Wednesday, December 17, 2003

Animal rights advocates will single out small children at performances
of ``The Nutcracker'' in the next few weeks by handing out fliers
saying ``Your Mommy Kills Animals'' to youngsters whose mothers are
wearing fur.
``Children can't look up to a mom in a battered-raccoon hat or a
crushed coyote collar,'' said Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals. ``Maybe when they're confronted by
their own children's hurt looks, fur-wearers' cold hearts will melt.''
The fliers include a color drawing of a woman plunging a large
bloody knife into the belly of a terrified rabbit. The fliers urge
kids to ``ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her
fur clothes.
``And the sooner she stops wearing fur, the sooner the animals
will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from
mommy - she's an animal killer.''
Brookline child psychologist Dr. Carolyn Newberger called the
tactics ``terribly dangerous to children.''
``It's using children in the worst possible way,'' she said. ``If
(the activists) want to legitimately work to protect animals from
destruction for fashion, they have every right to. But to do so by
targeting children and making them feel their mothers are murderers is
absolutely unconscionable.''
Lisa Franzetta, a national coordinator for PETA, said the group
will launch its ``fur-ocious'' protest at `Nutcracker' performances in
as many as 20 cities across the United States.
Franzetta, who is based in California, said yesterday she did not
yet know when the protests will begin in Boston, where ``The
Nutcracker'' is playing at the Wang Center for the Performing Arts in
the Theater District.
Franzetta acknowledged the anti-fur campaign might spark a
backlash. ``It's definitely provocative, I will give you that,'' she
said.
Wang Center officials could not be reached for comment about the
planned protests.


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woah chick, get a grip....
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User: "Janithor"

Title: Re: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids 18 Dec 2003 07:17:31 PM
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elegy wrote:

why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the stuff
that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're trying
to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and bring
them over to their side??

i just don't get it.

Because they don't really care about animals. What motivates them is a
hatred of people, IMO. If they really cared about animals, they'd work
at being effective and creating actual change. Comparing eating
chickens to the Holocaust is not going to win them many converts. Now
they're terrorifying little kids. Nice.
.
User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com"

Title: Re: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids 18 Dec 2003 11:45:55 PM
They're vermin, glorifying in self-aggrandizement through shocking
others, with hatred providing the only meaning in their lives.
Fortunately, you can strike back. Three years ago, Mrs. dePlume, our
daughter, and I were visiting Boston, when a group of PETA types
walked through an outdoor market parading their propaganda. I turned
to my wife and said, "I suddenly have a craving for beef. Let's get
some burgers for dinner."
Not only was it a good hamburger, but it made me feel virtuous.
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Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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elegy wrote:

why does peta do ***** like this? yes, i agree with some of the

stuff

that they stand for, but they continuously go about things in ways
that ***** people off and ultimately work AGAINST what they're

trying

to work FOR. if i agree with them and am offended and nauseated by
their efforts, how is that going to change anybody's mind and

bring

them over to their side??

i just don't get it.



Because they don't really care about animals. What motivates them

is a

hatred of people, IMO. If they really cared about animals, they'd

work

at being effective and creating actual change. Comparing eating
chickens to the Holocaust is not going to win them many converts.

Now

they're terrorifying little kids. Nice.

.
User: "Janithor"

Title: Re: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids 19 Dec 2003 03:56:51 AM
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Nom dePlume wrote:

They're vermin, glorifying in self-aggrandizement through shocking
others, with hatred providing the only meaning in their lives.

Fortunately, you can strike back. Three years ago, Mrs. dePlume, our
daughter, and I were visiting Boston, when a group of PETA types
walked through an outdoor market parading their propaganda. I turned
to my wife and said, "I suddenly have a craving for beef. Let's get
some burgers for dinner."

Not only was it a good hamburger, but it made me feel virtuous.

I buy cage-free eggs. If someone was smart, they'd market cruelty free
or at least cruelty reduced animal products - meat, milk, etc...I'd pay
more for my food if someone did this. Factory farming is distressing.
I don't have any problem killing an animal and eating it. That's
nature, and we're a part of nature. We're animals too. But if you can
do so without barbarity, then I think this is a good thing. There's
enough suffering and misery on the planet.
I remember reading an article about an autistic woman who was helping
slaughterhouses design chutes for the cattle. The designs were to
reduce the stress on the cattle just before slaughter. If we can do
stuff like this and it add $.10 to the cost of a Big Mac, why not?
These are things PETA could do that would have a real impact. I think a
lot of people out there would react if a positive campaign was waged and
private firms marketed food designed to reduced the barbarity of factory
farming. Already I see lots of cosmetics advertised as not being tested
on animals. That's because most people know that spraying hair spray or
oven cleaner directly into your eye is a bad thing, you don't need to do
this to bunny rabbits first to find out.
I think PETA is the worst thing for animal rights, for the very reasons
Elegy raised. Intentions aren't enough. Results are what matter. Good
intentions (which I don't believe are all that good once you scratch the
surface, but ok), with zero results = animals still suffering.
.
User: "Rebecca Jo"

Title: Re: ot: peta targets nutcracker kids 19 Dec 2003 07:01:00 AM
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:

I buy cage-free eggs. If someone was smart, they'd market cruelty free
or at least cruelty reduced animal products - meat, milk, etc...I'd pay
more for my food if someone did this. Factory farming is distressing.
I don't have any problem killing an animal and eating it. That's
nature, and we're a part of nature. We're animals too. But if you can
do so without barbarity, then I think this is a good thing. There's
enough suffering and misery on the planet.

NODNODNODNODNODNODNODNODNODNODNOD

I remember reading an article about an autistic woman who was helping
slaughterhouses design chutes for the cattle. The designs were to
reduce the stress on the cattle just before slaughter. If we can do
stuff like this and it add $.10 to the cost of a Big Mac, why not?

These are things PETA could do that would have a real impact. I think a
lot of people out there would react if a positive campaign was waged and
private firms marketed food designed to reduced the barbarity of factory
farming. Already I see lots of cosmetics advertised as not being tested
on animals. That's because most people know that spraying hair spray or
oven cleaner directly into your eye is a bad thing, you don't need to do
this to bunny rabbits first to find out.

I think PETA is the worst thing for animal rights, for the very reasons
Elegy raised. Intentions aren't enough. Results are what matter. Good
intentions (which I don't believe are all that good once you scratch the
surface, but ok), with zero results = animals still suffering.

.





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