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"wombn" |
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31 Jul 2004 08:30:22 PM |
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Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
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| User: "Lord Salt" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 09:08:49 PM |
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In article <cphog0dct9up3l01tbrr4pke9cn0nk60fm@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
Urban Legends Reference says the PayPal class action lawsuit is real.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp
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| User: "wombn" |
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01 Aug 2004 09:54:09 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:08:49 GMT, Lord Salt <ssenate@mindless.com>
wrote:
In article <cphog0dct9up3l01tbrr4pke9cn0nk60fm@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
Urban Legends Reference says the PayPal class action lawsuit is real.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp
did you see the long reply I made to Gayle's post this morning? Where
I copied the email I got from Paypal? Does it look real to you? I
wouldn't know how to tell.
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| User: "Lord Salt" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
02 Aug 2004 11:22:05 AM |
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In article <g4brg0t04hmige8kdn8m6o36ohbmq1m2fs@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:08:49 GMT, Lord Salt <ssenate@mindless.com>
wrote:
In article <cphog0dct9up3l01tbrr4pke9cn0nk60fm@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
Urban Legends Reference says the PayPal class action lawsuit is real.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp
did you see the long reply I made to Gayle's post this morning? Where
I copied the email I got from Paypal? Does it look real to you? I
wouldn't know how to tell.
If it did *not* include your name, it's certain to be a fake. That
doesn't, of course, guarantee that one with your name isn't fake. I got
one, and so did my friend. Both of us left PayPal some time ago.
Here's CNET news reporting the filing of the lawsuit in 2002.
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-842240.html
And, the settlement in June of this year.
http://news.com.com/PayPal+settles+customer+suit/2100-1038_3-5233490.html
How can you tell? Often it's hard, since true web addresses can be
hidden, and redirects are so common, but in that case, I hit the search
engines for legitimate news reports of it.
This is my take on it. PayPal got in deep feces because of acting as a
bank without having a bank charter, required in California, where the
actual company is. After a certain amount of negative feedback,
eBay/PayPal could lock out your account and drain it, without
notification. This also violated California credit and bank reporting
laws, specifically ones about electronic transfers. In 2002, the
lawsuit was filed [I remember hearing about it, and saying to my friend
that I would wait to see of they were going to "comply or die".]
Some of their policies and procedures are now changed, and those whose
accounts were locked out are definitely entitled to part of the
proceeds. Whether those who didn't get locked out are also entitled, I
can't tell. If I join the class, there may be some money in it for me,
but considering how many people jump into class action lawsuit payments,
the payout per person will probably be small. That way, if I choose to
not enter the class, as I wasn't one of the ones harmed by the lockout
actions, then that's more in the pot for those who were. I think people
are just going to be greedy and jump on the bandwagon, diluting the pot,
and lowering everyone else's settlement portion. Even if it's as much
as $50, let the greedy ones fight over it.
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| User: "Grimsnipe" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
02 Aug 2004 09:09:51 PM |
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Some of their policies and procedures are now changed, and those whose
accounts were locked out are definitely entitled to part of the
proceeds. Whether those who didn't get locked out are also entitled, I
can't tell. If I join the class, there may be some money in it for me,
but considering how many people jump into class action lawsuit payments,
the payout per person will probably be small. That way, if I choose to
not enter the class, as I wasn't one of the ones harmed by the lockout
actions, then that's more in the pot for those who were. I think people
are just going to be greedy and jump on the bandwagon, diluting the pot,
and lowering everyone else's settlement portion. Even if it's as much
as $50, let the greedy ones fight over it.
What's amazing to me is how many people will lie when money can be
involved. And not just lie, mind you, but INSIST LOUDLY that they're
not lying.
I'm reminded of an ep of Oprah years back about con artists and stuff
where they set up hidden cameras on a city bus with only one guy on it
(he was in on the gag) and had the bus "hit" a car. Well, people
started showing up out of nowhere getting on the bus and claiming they
had whiplash and injuries and whatnot.
(sighs)
I get so pissed about how there's so damn people in this world who
make their living solely on being leeches, while us avenge shmucks
have to wallow and earn what they get. Always makes ya want to just
the fence sometimes.
-grim
To respond via email, remove the "54"
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
02 Aug 2004 10:20:42 PM |
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hm. well, then perhaps the site that we're redirected to is not
associated with the real lawsuit...?
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:22:05 GMT, Lord Salt <ssenate@mindless.com>
wrote:
In article <g4brg0t04hmige8kdn8m6o36ohbmq1m2fs@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:08:49 GMT, Lord Salt <ssenate@mindless.com>
wrote:
In article <cphog0dct9up3l01tbrr4pke9cn0nk60fm@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
Urban Legends Reference says the PayPal class action lawsuit is real.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp
did you see the long reply I made to Gayle's post this morning? Where
I copied the email I got from Paypal? Does it look real to you? I
wouldn't know how to tell.
If it did *not* include your name, it's certain to be a fake. That
doesn't, of course, guarantee that one with your name isn't fake. I got
one, and so did my friend. Both of us left PayPal some time ago.
Here's CNET news reporting the filing of the lawsuit in 2002.
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-842240.html
And, the settlement in June of this year.
http://news.com.com/PayPal+settles+customer+suit/2100-1038_3-5233490.html
How can you tell? Often it's hard, since true web addresses can be
hidden, and redirects are so common, but in that case, I hit the search
engines for legitimate news reports of it.
This is my take on it. PayPal got in deep feces because of acting as a
bank without having a bank charter, required in California, where the
actual company is. After a certain amount of negative feedback,
eBay/PayPal could lock out your account and drain it, without
notification. This also violated California credit and bank reporting
laws, specifically ones about electronic transfers. In 2002, the
lawsuit was filed [I remember hearing about it, and saying to my friend
that I would wait to see of they were going to "comply or die".]
Some of their policies and procedures are now changed, and those whose
accounts were locked out are definitely entitled to part of the
proceeds. Whether those who didn't get locked out are also entitled, I
can't tell. If I join the class, there may be some money in it for me,
but considering how many people jump into class action lawsuit payments,
the payout per person will probably be small. That way, if I choose to
not enter the class, as I wasn't one of the ones harmed by the lockout
actions, then that's more in the pot for those who were. I think people
are just going to be greedy and jump on the bandwagon, diluting the pot,
and lowering everyone else's settlement portion. Even if it's as much
as $50, let the greedy ones fight over it.
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| User: "Platypus Rex" |
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| Title: For Wombn (was Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI)) |
03 Aug 2004 08:09:16 PM |
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wombn coughed this up:
hm. well, then perhaps the site that we're redirected to is not
associated with the real lawsuit...?
If paypal told you it was bogus, they were fibbing, perhaps to
continue to minimize what they have to pay. Too late.
Take a look at:
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3390191
legit.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: For Wombn (was Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI)) |
03 Aug 2004 09:04:37 PM |
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"Platypus Rex" <duckbill@ovoviviparous.mammals.org> puked this up all over
himself as he said
news:pan.2004.08.04.01.09.16.164200@ovoviviparous.mammals.org...
Take a look at:
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3390191
legit.
ha ha i'm not Wombn but i answered anyway
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: For Wombn (was Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI)) |
04 Aug 2004 07:58:27 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:09:16 -0400, Platypus Rex
<duckbill@ovoviviparous.mammals.org> wrote:
wombn coughed this up:
hm. well, then perhaps the site that we're redirected to is not
associated with the real lawsuit...?
If paypal told you it was bogus, they were fibbing, perhaps to
continue to minimize what they have to pay. Too late.
Take a look at:
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3390191
legit.
oh for goodness' sakes.
Snopes wrote me back directing me to their press release site:
http://www.shareholder.com/paypal/releaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=137446&Category=US
So I've written to Paypal again. To tell them this latest data.
grrr..
p.s. I have no intentions of filing a claim. I've never had anything
but perfection from them. Well, except for this "scam" email
question.
I HEREBY RETRACT MY OP ABOUT THIS! And thanks for everyone's input,
which helped me pursue this to the truth.
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
31 Jul 2004 08:31:33 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:30:19 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
oh, and they had my full name too.
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| User: "Rebecca Jo" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
31 Jul 2004 09:31:36 PM |
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
oh, and they had my full name too.
Snopes says it's real. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp
and the paypal addy that it gives you says:
"Welcome to PayPal. You are about to be redirected to a non-PayPal site
hosted by the claims administrator for the recently-announced class action
settlement. At the site, you will be able to learn more about the litigation
and class action settlement agreement."
before it redirects you.
So I don't think it's a scam.
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 03:33:00 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:31:36 -0400, "Rebecca Jo"
<rebeccajodreams@yahoo.com> wrote:
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
oh, and they had my full name too.
Snopes says it's real. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp
and the paypal addy that it gives you says:
"Welcome to PayPal. You are about to be redirected to a non-PayPal site
hosted by the claims administrator for the recently-announced class action
settlement. At the site, you will be able to learn more about the litigation
and class action settlement agreement."
before it redirects you.
So I don't think it's a scam.
Well, I forwarded it to the addy listed on Paypal's site here:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&leafid=2104&answer_id=2826149
To this addy:
spoof@paypal.com
They wrote this back to me:
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Dear (my name deleted),
Thank you for bringing this suspicious email to our attention. We can
confirm that the email you received was not sent to you by PayPal. The
website linked to this email is not a registered URL authorized or
used by
PayPal. We are currently investigating this incident fully. Please do
not
enter any personal or financial information into this website.
If you have surrendered any personal or financial information to this
fraudulent website, you should immediately log into your PayPal
Account and
change your password and secret question and answer information. Any
compromised financial information should be reported to the
appropriate
parties.
If you notice any unauthorized activity associated with your PayPal
transaction history, please immediately report this to PayPal by
following
the instructions below:
1. Go to https://www.paypal.com/
2. Click on the Security Center at the bottom of the page
3. Click on 'Report a Problem'
4. Select the Topic: Report Fraud
5. Select the Subtopic: Unauthorized use of my PayPal Account
6. Enter your question in the 'Summarize your question in one
sentence' box
7. Click Continue
8. Follow the instructions to access the appropriate form
We are continually improving our customer service to accommodate
members'
needs and can be contacted via secure webform at
https://www.paypal.com/wf/f=default.
If you are unable to log in to your account, please contact us using
the
webform at https://www.paypal.com/ewf/f=default.
This email is sent to you by the contracting entity to your User
Agreement,
either PayPal Inc or PayPal (Europe) Limited. PayPal(Europe) Limited
is
authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority in the UK
as
an electronic money institution.
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 08:49:56 AM |
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wombn wrote:
Thanks, wombn, for the skepticism and the research. I received one, too, and now I know what to do with
it. Delete.
Gayle
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 09:16:20 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:49:56 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
Thanks, wombn, for the skepticism and the research. I received one, too, and now I know what to do with
it. Delete.
Gayle
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 09:17:28 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:16:19 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:49:56 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
Thanks, wombn, for the skepticism and the research. I received one, too, and now I know what to do with
it. Delete.
Gayle
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
(the email address is not my name)
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| User: "jake" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 03:33:36 PM |
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(the email address is not my name)
your real name is not wombn hearmeroar? ;)
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 09:23:37 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:17:27 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:16:19 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:49:56 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
Thanks, wombn, for the skepticism and the research. I received one, too, and now I know what to do with
it. Delete.
Gayle
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
(the email address is not my name)
p.p.s.
I just sent snopes a copy of the email I got from paypal. Hopefully,
they can figure out where this disconnect is happening
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 11:11:00 AM |
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wombn wrote:
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
I'm by no means an expert but I do some business writing about identity theft --- and it's possible that
someone hacked into PayPal's database. Or eBay's. Very possible. But I'm not sayin' that's what happened,
just that it could happen that way.
Gayle
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| User: "wombn" |
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01 Aug 2004 11:14:43 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:11:00 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
I'm by no means an expert but I do some business writing about identity theft --- and it's possible that
someone hacked into PayPal's database. Or eBay's. Very possible. But I'm not sayin' that's what happened,
just that it could happen that way.
ugh! and I use both. Not a whole lot, but enough.
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| User: "Lord Salt" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 09:11:56 PM |
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In article <5n5qg0p8di0cbea8uarrm0ib8cu16hhqhj@4ax.com>,
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:11:00 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
I'm by no means an expert but I do some business writing about identity
theft --- and it's possible that
someone hacked into PayPal's database. Or eBay's. Very possible. But I'm not
sayin' that's what happened,
just that it could happen that way.
ugh! and I use both. Not a whole lot, but enough.
eBay and PayPal are the same company. I don't know if they maintain
different databases, or if they use the same one.
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| User: "Gayle" |
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01 Aug 2004 12:22:54 PM |
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wombn wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:11:00 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
I'm by no means an expert but I do some business writing about identity theft --- and it's possible that
someone hacked into PayPal's database. Or eBay's. Very possible. But I'm not sayin' that's what happened,
just that it could happen that way.
ugh! and I use both. Not a whole lot, but enough.
Well, it can happen in a brick and mortar, too. My mom's identity was stolen and it turned out to be a ring
that included a clerk in a utility company. He made photocopies of the checks sent in (which had bank account
#s and signatures to mimic. Then the group would print up counterfeit checks and descend on one town at a
time, for a day or two, with dozens of stolen identities and fake licenses, cash a bunch of checks, and bolt.
And this was way before the Internet became popular.
I've had my credit card replaced twice by Visa because they told me my info was 'compromised'. I think there
was a problem at Amazon but i don't know --- and they're not required to report it, either. The FBI can do
nothing in the absence of one of these corporations reporting the crime -- although I'm not sure what they
could do, anyways. At least 30% of the FBI's software contains all kinds of back doors (and it was an FBI
agent who told me that). Security is a myth, imo.
And a *very* popular method to get into one of these corporate databases is to get a job on a cleaning crew,
by the way. While many folks prefer to believe that security is an IT solution, I believe that's a serious
flaw in mindset. Some identity thieves get the info they need by taking a temp job and getting the passwords
they need to roam around the database that way.
Gayle
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Paypal fraud scheme (just FYI) |
01 Aug 2004 09:49:29 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:22:54 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:11:00 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
wombn wrote:
my biggest worry is where they got my name!
I'm by no means an expert but I do some business writing about identity theft --- and it's possible that
someone hacked into PayPal's database. Or eBay's. Very possible. But I'm not sayin' that's what happened,
just that it could happen that way.
ugh! and I use both. Not a whole lot, but enough.
Well, it can happen in a brick and mortar, too. My mom's identity was stolen and it turned out to be a ring
that included a clerk in a utility company. He made photocopies of the checks sent in (which had bank account
#s and signatures to mimic. Then the group would print up counterfeit checks and descend on one town at a
time, for a day or two, with dozens of stolen identities and fake licenses, cash a bunch of checks, and bolt.
And this was way before the Internet became popular.
something like that happened me about 20 yrs ago. ended up bouncing a
bunch of checks. All but 1 vendor accepted the bank's apology
I've had my credit card replaced twice by Visa because they told me my info was 'compromised'. I think there
wow!
was a problem at Amazon but i don't know --- and they're not required to report it, either. The FBI can do
nothing in the absence of one of these corporations reporting the crime -- although I'm not sure what they
could do, anyways. At least 30% of the FBI's software contains all kinds of back doors (and it was an FBI
agent who told me that). Security is a myth, imo.
that's scary.
And a *very* popular method to get into one of these corporate databases is to get a job on a cleaning crew,
I've always wondered...
by the way. While many folks prefer to believe that security is an IT solution, I believe that's a serious
flaw in mindset. Some identity thieves get the info they need by taking a temp job and getting the passwords
they need to roam around the database that way.
Gayle
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Gayle wrote:
Well, it can happen in a brick and mortar, too. My mom's identity was stolen and it turned out to be a ring
that included a clerk in a utility company. He made photocopies of the checks sent in (which had bank account
#s and signatures to mimic. Then the group would print up counterfeit checks and descend on one town at a
time, for a day or two, with dozens of stolen identities and fake licenses, cash a bunch of checks, and bolt.
And this was way before the Internet became popular.
I've had my credit card replaced twice by Visa because they told me my info was 'compromised'. I think there
was a problem at Amazon but i don't know --- and they're not required to report it, either. The FBI can do
nothing in the absence of one of these corporations reporting the crime -- although I'm not sure what they
could do, anyways. At least 30% of the FBI's software contains all kinds of back doors (and it was an FBI
agent who told me that). Security is a myth, imo.
And a *very* popular method to get into one of these corporate databases is to get a job on a cleaning crew,
by the way. While many folks prefer to believe that security is an IT solution, I believe that's a serious
flaw in mindset. Some identity thieves get the info they need by taking a temp job and getting the passwords
they need to roam around the database that way.
Gayle
It would be very easy for me to get information. It's amazing what
people leave on their desks, including wads of cash.
You could even pretend to be the janitor, and they'd have no idea. I
actually had a guy start cleaning an office once, but he went to the
wrong suite. He started cleaning someone else's office (and he had been
to the correct office before.)
Another thing that amazes me is security in small offices. I sell
door-to-door, and sometimes I'll sit inside someone's front office for
several minutes, waiting for someone to show up. I could very easily
grab a computer or rifle through desk and walk out, and no one would
have a clue.
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01 Aug 2004 03:28:54 PM |
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It would be very easy for me to get information. It's amazing what
people leave on their desks, including wads of cash.
It is shocking ... and not to mention intellectual property, which is where the real $ is. Whenever a customer
brags to me about the level of their security, I ask to see the policies and procedures for their choice and
management of the cleaning services. I've never seen one yet but I've seen a lot of 'huh?' on their faces. If
there's folks roamin' around your facilities at night and you don't know who each one of them is and no one's
watching, then you don't have security --- so please don't talk to me about yer firewalls.
You could even pretend to be the janitor, and they'd have no idea. I
actually had a guy start cleaning an office once, but he went to the
wrong suite. He started cleaning someone else's office (and he had been
to the correct office before.)
I've talked my way into the CEO's office in a major corporation at 5 a.m. to pick up a file he'd forgotten. I had
a great story but no ID. I got in. That's what corporate spies do. Security systems are basically to keep the
unimaginative ones out.
Another thing that amazes me is security in small offices. I sell
door-to-door, and sometimes I'll sit inside someone's front office for
several minutes, waiting for someone to show up. I could very easily
grab a computer or rifle through desk and walk out, and no one would
have a clue.
I read the boring (but not to me) police logs in my town. Small offices are robbed by professional thieves every
single day. There may only be a few, but they're dedicated. They put in a lot of time just looking for
opportunities. Oh, and it really bugs me when folks (mostly women, of course) don't pay attention to their
handbags in supermarkets. Don't they know that there are people who spend the day driving around to supermarkets
just waiting for someone to turn away? I guess they aren't reading the police logs.
Gayle
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01 Aug 2004 09:52:11 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:28:54 -0400, Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
It would be very easy for me to get information. It's amazing what
people leave on their desks, including wads of cash.
It is shocking ... and not to mention intellectual property, which is where the real $ is. Whenever a customer
brags to me about the level of their security, I ask to see the policies and procedures for their choice and
management of the cleaning services. I've never seen one yet but I've seen a lot of 'huh?' on their faces. If
there's folks roamin' around your facilities at night and you don't know who each one of them is and no one's
watching, then you don't have security --- so please don't talk to me about yer firewalls.
Thor has wondered about terrorists acting as janitors...
You could even pretend to be the janitor, and they'd have no idea. I
actually had a guy start cleaning an office once, but he went to the
wrong suite. He started cleaning someone else's office (and he had been
to the correct office before.)
I've talked my way into the CEO's office in a major corporation at 5 a.m. to pick up a file he'd forgotten. I had
a great story but no ID. I got in. That's what corporate spies do. Security systems are basically to keep the
unimaginative ones out.
like locking our car doors.
Another thing that amazes me is security in small offices. I sell
door-to-door, and sometimes I'll sit inside someone's front office for
several minutes, waiting for someone to show up. I could very easily
grab a computer or rifle through desk and walk out, and no one would
have a clue.
I read the boring (but not to me) police logs in my town. Small offices are robbed by professional thieves every
single day. There may only be a few, but they're dedicated. They put in a lot of time just looking for
opportunities. Oh, and it really bugs me when folks (mostly women, of course) don't pay attention to their
handbags in supermarkets. Don't they know that there are people who spend the day driving around to supermarkets
just waiting for someone to turn away? I guess they aren't reading the police logs.
yup.
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02 Aug 2004 07:26:39 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:52:11 GMT, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
<(((*> Thor has wondered about terrorists acting as janitors...
Does he run background checks on his employees?
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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01 Aug 2004 03:48:23 PM |
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Gayle wrote:
It would be very easy for me to get information. It's amazing what
people leave on their desks, including wads of cash.
It is shocking ... and not to mention intellectual property, which is where the real $ is. Whenever a customer
brags to me about the level of their security, I ask to see the policies and procedures for their choice and
management of the cleaning services. I've never seen one yet but I've seen a lot of 'huh?' on their faces. If
there's folks roamin' around your facilities at night and you don't know who each one of them is and no one's
watching, then you don't have security --- so please don't talk to me about yer firewalls.
You could even pretend to be the janitor, and they'd have no idea. I
actually had a guy start cleaning an office once, but he went to the
wrong suite. He started cleaning someone else's office (and he had been
to the correct office before.)
I've talked my way into the CEO's office in a major corporation at 5 a.m. to pick up a file he'd forgotten. I had
a great story but no ID. I got in. That's what corporate spies do. Security systems are basically to keep the
unimaginative ones out.
Yeah, the thought has occured to me several times how easy it would be
for us to carry out corporate spying. We're just dumb janitors, so
people pretty much ignore us or treat us like a parent to a child. All
it would take is a bilingual Mexicano with some computer skills, and
they could do a lot of damage. Plus stuff they throw in their trash.
We clean several financial places, they leave customer information on
their desk at night.
Is that your job, corporate security?
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01 Aug 2004 04:35:47 PM |
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Yeah, the thought has occured to me several times how easy it would be
for us to carry out corporate spying. We're just dumb janitors, so
people pretty much ignore us or treat us like a parent to a child. All
it would take is a bilingual Mexicano with some computer skills, and
they could do a lot of damage. Plus stuff they throw in their trash.
It bugs me that your honesty isn't seen as an asset. But, that's what happens when folks are in denial.
We clean several financial places, they leave customer information on
their desk at night.
That's obscene --- cuz one thing those folks are selling is confidentiality.
Is that your job, corporate security?
I'm in the bread & circus business, i.e. a freelance corporate writer/producer. If you're interested:
http://www.gayleco.com
No spyware involved, I assure you (but could never guarantee, given my opinion of Internet security, in general).
Gayle
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02 Aug 2004 09:04:12 PM |
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I'm in the bread & circus business, i.e. a freelance corporate writer/producer. If you're interested:
http://www.gayleco.com
No spyware involved, I assure you (but could never guarantee, given my opinion of Internet security, in general).
Gayle
(laughs)
Oh Gayle Company! Ha... for a sec there I was thinking it said Gay
Leco.
I was like "The heck is a leco?" ;)
To respond via email, remove the "54"
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wombn wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:30:19 -0700, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
oh, and they had my full name too.
How would they get your full name? I'm getting crap like this from
Paypal, Ebay, and banks.
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31 Jul 2004 08:32:47 PM |
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i think our local news reported it like it was legitimate
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:cphog0dct9up3l01tbrr4pke9cn0nk60fm@4ax.com...
I got an email about a class action lawsuit against paypal.
In it, they put the URL https://www.paypal.com/settlement/, which
redirects you to a different website.
I reported it to paypal and whaddayaknow, it's a fraud.
I don't know they were able to do that cuz www.paypal.com is a valid
webiste. But I don't know much about ISP stuff
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