| Topic: |
Sociology > Depression |
| User: |
"Jeff" |
| Date: |
12 May 2004 09:26:32 PM |
| Object: |
Please Help - Depression and Addiction |
Hi,
This is a sort-of random plea for help. Frankly, I have my
doubts, but I'm going to write anyway. Please excuse my negativity in
advance.
I am addicted to several negative things, sometimes in phases,
sometimes constant. The worst of these addictions is sexual addiction
- I became addicted to pornography at a young age. To further
medicate, I went and continue to go through periods of alcohol abuse,
compulsive spending, gambling and even over-eating.
I have confronted my addictions. For years now I have read every
book on sexual addiction, been to group therapy, counseling; you name
it. I spent hours (and I do mean hours) a day studying God's word,
and finally found a basis for my salvation in knowledge - as I feel
nothing positive I sought out knowledge. In short, I have poured 90%
of my life into recovery for the last 2 years.
Nothing worked. In fact, I became worse. Where periods of
sobriety strengthens others, it harms me - as I never 'feel' better.
And the more I try and "Do" to fight the addictions, the worse I get.
About a month ago, my wife left me as I have this horrible sense of
hopelessness and negativity about me. Basically - I go through
stages. I feel hopeless, act out through addiction, and then pump all
of my energy into recovery, which temporarily propels me into what
seems like a 'positive, self-motivated' mood. 2 days go by, and all
of my efforts fail - the sky is still black - and I repeat the
addictive cycle.
It took my wife leaving and living alone to suddenly make me
realize that the addictions aren't the root of the problem, DEPRESSION
is. As in real, clinical depression. I had never considered it. I
finally had hope. For the first time in my life, I actually forgave
myself just a bit. It made sense - if there's something wrong in my
brain, and I cannot receive joy - no wonder I take such desperate
measures to feel joy - even if it's temporary and self-defeating.
So I dove straight into solving depression. I've read books. I
went to professional help. They spent 2 hours with me, and prescribed
Abilify. I took it. I got really angry within about 5 hours - and
then got lost driving. I called them 5 times before they finally
returned a call and told me to get off of it and prescribed 100mg of
generic Wellbutrin. This did nothing for 3 weeks other than a few
audible hallucinations.
Yet I remained patient. My follow-up visit lasted an amazing 5
minutes. They were behind schedule. In out, let's try a lower dosage
of Ablilify and the 100mg of Wellbutrin, say a quick prayer and see
ya! They told me 100mg is too low of a dose but let's stick with it
for now. WTF is the point if it's too low? Yet, being cooperative, I
gave it another go. I forgot my own passcode to my alarm system and
set that off the next day. Keep in mind I'm in my mid-20's here.
Abilify does nothing for me other than stop me from being able to
remember things clearly. So the doc asked me to call him when that
didn't work. I did. They don't call me back. Screw them.
Someone suggested SAM-e. So I stopped the Wellbutrin (having
already stopped the Abilify after the alarm/alzheimer's episode) and
I've been on that for about 5 days at 1600MG. I noticed some positive
effects for a couple of hours at a time, but then it vanishes – which
makes the lows feel even lower. I plan on taking it at least until I
go back to wonder-doc.
-
Now to my point. I'm losing my mind. I'm so frustrated with
this sh*t that I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering giving up
by whatever means possible. I pump 75% of my effort into 'recovery',
whatever that is - and 25% in being incredibly and fakely cheerful and
happy around everyone at work or in society. But I'm ready to blow
up.
I keep hurting myself. I've put on 20lbs in the last couple of
months. I eat and eat. Every 2 or 3 days I return to sexual
addiction. I go to great lengths to stop myself, canceling accounts,
smashing equipment with hammers - only to rebuy and rebuild it all. I
go drink every couple of weeks just because that's my only way to hang
out with anyone I know. I'd like to know other people who do things
other than drink, but at the moment, I don't know any people like
that. I eat all day long to the point I'm sick. I can't think
straight.
In short, I'm a fscking mess. And I'm pretty damn sick of it as
well. I'm convinced that it's not possible to pump any more efforts
into getting well vs what I'm doing. My entire existence revolves
around this. I can't even focus on work. I can't stand work because
I can't stop thinking about depression and addiction. I'm tired of
feeling guilty about all of these addictions. There are so many. I
just go around and around – sexual addiction, drink, gamble, eat eat
eat, spend spend spend, debt debt, drink, etc. I have no idea what to
do with the situation regarding my absent wife. She must want
results, but I feel like I'm blindfolded being told to run on the path
to safety. I must be quite a downer, yeah. Hell, I'd leave me too -
and that's just the point - I'm about ready to.
No one can live like this for long. It's absolutely maddening.
Being Christian, I feel a horrible conviction of sin over these
addictions. I hate the addictive behavior - yet it's the only way to
medicate this horrible depression. We can put on a hat and say
"That's not right, don't use addictions to medicate!" but let's face
facts, without sometime positive in its place (and I've tried
everything I can think of) I return to the addictions. They work,
temporarily - nothing else has yet. Like today. It just sinks in
right in the middle of the day. I suddenly can't do anything. I
can't work. I'm dead exhausted and have to fight to keep my eyes
open. I can't think. I have to make excuses and arrange to leave
early. I come home. Now, what presented itself as evening activities
yesterday - riding a bike, playing a video game, picking up - are
gone. There's nothing there but this horrible exhaustion. And I
don't want to sleep. I shouldn't be tired, I hate feeling tired for
no reason. I can't shut my eyes because all I think about is how
miserable I am. So I spend 90 minutes rebuilding a computer so I can
view pornography.
And this is what scares me. I closely mentally documented my own
steps. The depression is horrible. I'm honestly willing to trade
weeks of shame over sexual addiction for 2 hours of distraction. And
I can't lie to myself – I clearly make that conscious decision. When
I'm not 100% depressed, I tell myself – DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION – yet
when I am, I CLEARLY make it, and I see why tonight. I have no other
option. When the depression comes back, I'll do something else bad -
drink, gamble - whatever. I have to get away from it.
-
I'm at wits end. I can't take the shame anymore. Acting upon
these addictions kill me. I look fat. I can't stand myself.
Honestly, I hate my own brain. I'm tired of trying. I'm tired of
reading books that don't help. I'm tired of not knowing anyone. I
don't want to go to work tomorrow. I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired
of giving doctors and therapists money and they don't give a flying
fsck about helping me despite how incredibly cooperative, open and
willing I am to any sort of treatment.
Most of all - I'm sick of no one understanding. The addiction
related groups don't work for me. There's is a cycle of shame and
ritual. Mine is a cycle of despair. They can heal by healing the
shame. I grow more insane by healing the shame and being left with
increasing despair.
My wife left, and who can blame her? We've only been married for
less than 2 years. I think the goal is for me to get better somehow.
It's just another thing to try for me, and a last effort for her. Yet
here's another problem, I don't know WTF to do. I live here by
myself. I invent all sorts of 'plans' for me - more exercise, better
eating habits, restraints on Internet access, etc. - But I only grow
MORE AND MORE DEPRESSED and defeat my own plans. I can't explain how
hard I try to help myself. But it's so self-defeating.
Simply put, I need any advice on ridding myself of this
depression. I simply can't keep doing this. I'm like a roller
coaster. And I live by myself, I've had to remove all friends from my
life as they are all bad influences (drunks mainly) - and even my dog
stays in the other room when I'm depressed. I'm like a void to any
living thing that's around.
I want help. I'm open to treatment. I can go to another doctor
- but it's at least 5 weeks out just to get in for another 15 minutes
visit. I rarely see my wife. I feel like a countdown timer is on me
and that I have 3 months to get well or my marriage is over. Tick
tock tick tock. But I can't even find the starting gate. Isn't there
anyone who actually gives a damn about this? These doctors clearly
don't take someone who 1) Appears positive 2) Explains clearly that
he/she is making a great effort to appear positive and is actually not
/ seriously. And I look at myself in the mirror and I'd like to beat
the ***** out of myself. And I see myself hating and hating myself
more and more each day and it scares me. And lastly I'm tired of
pumping so much effort into being a positive person around others.
The only thing that stops me from hurting myself is the
KNOWLEDGE that something is clearly wrong with my brain. Yet with
each week that goes by with no results, despite my efforts, I'm even
worse off than when I didn't realize I had depression. KNOWING and
not having any solution is horrible.
I feel like I have strep throat and no one will give me
medicine.
Blah.
.
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| User: "foolio" |
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| Title: Re: Please Help - Depression and Addiction |
13 May 2004 12:47:31 PM |
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Jeff wrote:
Hi,
This is a sort-of random plea for help. Frankly, I have my
doubts, but I'm going to write anyway. Please excuse my negativity in
advance.
I am addicted to several negative things, sometimes in phases,
sometimes constant. The worst of these addictions is sexual addiction
- I became addicted to pornography at a young age. To further
medicate, I went and continue to go through periods of alcohol abuse,
compulsive spending, gambling and even over-eating.
I have confronted my addictions. For years now I have read every
book on sexual addiction, been to group therapy, counseling; you name
it. I spent hours (and I do mean hours) a day studying God's word,
and finally found a basis for my salvation in knowledge - as I feel
nothing positive I sought out knowledge. In short, I have poured 90%
of my life into recovery for the last 2 years.
Nothing worked. In fact, I became worse. Where periods of
sobriety strengthens others, it harms me - as I never 'feel' better.
And the more I try and "Do" to fight the addictions, the worse I get.
About a month ago, my wife left me as I have this horrible sense of
hopelessness and negativity about me. Basically - I go through
stages. I feel hopeless, act out through addiction, and then pump all
of my energy into recovery, which temporarily propels me into what
seems like a 'positive, self-motivated' mood. 2 days go by, and all
of my efforts fail - the sky is still black - and I repeat the
addictive cycle.
It took my wife leaving and living alone to suddenly make me
realize that the addictions aren't the root of the problem, DEPRESSION
is. As in real, clinical depression. I had never considered it. I
finally had hope. For the first time in my life, I actually forgave
myself just a bit. It made sense - if there's something wrong in my
brain, and I cannot receive joy - no wonder I take such desperate
measures to feel joy - even if it's temporary and self-defeating.
So I dove straight into solving depression. I've read books. I
went to professional help. They spent 2 hours with me, and prescribed
Abilify. I took it. I got really angry within about 5 hours - and
then got lost driving. I called them 5 times before they finally
returned a call and told me to get off of it and prescribed 100mg of
generic Wellbutrin. This did nothing for 3 weeks other than a few
audible hallucinations.
Yet I remained patient. My follow-up visit lasted an amazing 5
minutes. They were behind schedule. In out, let's try a lower dosage
of Ablilify and the 100mg of Wellbutrin, say a quick prayer and see
ya! They told me 100mg is too low of a dose but let's stick with it
for now. WTF is the point if it's too low? Yet, being cooperative, I
gave it another go. I forgot my own passcode to my alarm system and
set that off the next day. Keep in mind I'm in my mid-20's here.
Abilify does nothing for me other than stop me from being able to
remember things clearly. So the doc asked me to call him when that
didn't work. I did. They don't call me back. Screw them.
Someone suggested SAM-e. So I stopped the Wellbutrin (having
already stopped the Abilify after the alarm/alzheimer's episode) and
I've been on that for about 5 days at 1600MG. I noticed some positive
effects for a couple of hours at a time, but then it vanishes – which
makes the lows feel even lower. I plan on taking it at least until I
go back to wonder-doc.
-
Now to my point. I'm losing my mind. I'm so frustrated with
this sh*t that I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering giving up
by whatever means possible. I pump 75% of my effort into 'recovery',
whatever that is - and 25% in being incredibly and fakely cheerful and
happy around everyone at work or in society. But I'm ready to blow
up.
I keep hurting myself. I've put on 20lbs in the last couple of
months. I eat and eat. Every 2 or 3 days I return to sexual
addiction. I go to great lengths to stop myself, canceling accounts,
smashing equipment with hammers - only to rebuy and rebuild it all. I
go drink every couple of weeks just because that's my only way to hang
out with anyone I know. I'd like to know other people who do things
other than drink, but at the moment, I don't know any people like
that. I eat all day long to the point I'm sick. I can't think
straight.
In short, I'm a fscking mess. And I'm pretty damn sick of it as
well. I'm convinced that it's not possible to pump any more efforts
into getting well vs what I'm doing. My entire existence revolves
around this. I can't even focus on work. I can't stand work because
I can't stop thinking about depression and addiction. I'm tired of
feeling guilty about all of these addictions. There are so many. I
just go around and around – sexual addiction, drink, gamble, eat eat
eat, spend spend spend, debt debt, drink, etc. I have no idea what to
do with the situation regarding my absent wife. She must want
results, but I feel like I'm blindfolded being told to run on the path
to safety. I must be quite a downer, yeah. Hell, I'd leave me too -
and that's just the point - I'm about ready to.
No one can live like this for long. It's absolutely maddening.
Being Christian, I feel a horrible conviction of sin over these
addictions. I hate the addictive behavior - yet it's the only way to
medicate this horrible depression. We can put on a hat and say
"That's not right, don't use addictions to medicate!" but let's face
facts, without sometime positive in its place (and I've tried
everything I can think of) I return to the addictions. They work,
temporarily - nothing else has yet. Like today. It just sinks in
right in the middle of the day. I suddenly can't do anything. I
can't work. I'm dead exhausted and have to fight to keep my eyes
open. I can't think. I have to make excuses and arrange to leave
early. I come home. Now, what presented itself as evening activities
yesterday - riding a bike, playing a video game, picking up - are
gone. There's nothing there but this horrible exhaustion. And I
don't want to sleep. I shouldn't be tired, I hate feeling tired for
no reason. I can't shut my eyes because all I think about is how
miserable I am. So I spend 90 minutes rebuilding a computer so I can
view pornography.
And this is what scares me. I closely mentally documented my own
steps. The depression is horrible. I'm honestly willing to trade
weeks of shame over sexual addiction for 2 hours of distraction. And
I can't lie to myself – I clearly make that conscious decision. When
I'm not 100% depressed, I tell myself – DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION – yet
when I am, I CLEARLY make it, and I see why tonight. I have no other
option. When the depression comes back, I'll do something else bad -
drink, gamble - whatever. I have to get away from it.
-
I'm at wits end. I can't take the shame anymore. Acting upon
these addictions kill me. I look fat. I can't stand myself.
Honestly, I hate my own brain. I'm tired of trying. I'm tired of
reading books that don't help. I'm tired of not knowing anyone. I
don't want to go to work tomorrow. I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired
of giving doctors and therapists money and they don't give a flying
fsck about helping me despite how incredibly cooperative, open and
willing I am to any sort of treatment.
Most of all - I'm sick of no one understanding. The addiction
related groups don't work for me. There's is a cycle of shame and
ritual. Mine is a cycle of despair. They can heal by healing the
shame. I grow more insane by healing the shame and being left with
increasing despair.
My wife left, and who can blame her? We've only been married for
less than 2 years. I think the goal is for me to get better somehow.
It's just another thing to try for me, and a last effort for her. Yet
here's another problem, I don't know WTF to do. I live here by
myself. I invent all sorts of 'plans' for me - more exercise, better
eating habits, restraints on Internet access, etc. - But I only grow
MORE AND MORE DEPRESSED and defeat my own plans. I can't explain how
hard I try to help myself. But it's so self-defeating.
Simply put, I need any advice on ridding myself of this
depression. I simply can't keep doing this. I'm like a roller
coaster. And I live by myself, I've had to remove all friends from my
life as they are all bad influences (drunks mainly) - and even my dog
stays in the other room when I'm depressed. I'm like a void to any
living thing that's around.
I want help. I'm open to treatment. I can go to another doctor
- but it's at least 5 weeks out just to get in for another 15 minutes
visit. I rarely see my wife. I feel like a countdown timer is on me
and that I have 3 months to get well or my marriage is over. Tick
tock tick tock. But I can't even find the starting gate. Isn't there
anyone who actually gives a damn about this? These doctors clearly
don't take someone who 1) Appears positive 2) Explains clearly that
he/she is making a great effort to appear positive and is actually not
/ seriously. And I look at myself in the mirror and I'd like to beat
the ***** out of myself. And I see myself hating and hating myself
more and more each day and it scares me. And lastly I'm tired of
pumping so much effort into being a positive person around others.
The only thing that stops me from hurting myself is the
KNOWLEDGE that something is clearly wrong with my brain. Yet with
each week that goes by with no results, despite my efforts, I'm even
worse off than when I didn't realize I had depression. KNOWING and
not having any solution is horrible.
I feel like I have strep throat and no one will give me
medicine.
Blah.
man i couldnt read all of that, but im on an snri called effexor and
though i dont have sexual addictions, it takes the sexual desire right
out of me, while relieving the depression..
it also causes some anxiety for me in which another med was added:
klonopin/clonazepam. this has been pretty good to me, i still get highs
and lows, just not as extreme. on the sexual side effects, the parts
still work, but the wife must instigate/initiate the sex thing because,
like i said, it killed my desire.
HTH
Greg
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: Please Help - Depression and Addiction |
12 May 2004 09:53:36 PM |
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Jeff,
I'm sorry to hear you are having such a hard time, but I'm glad you
put two and two together and figured out where your problem lies.
That's an important step. Now, to build on it.
Abilify is a very strange choice for a first-line antidepressant. It
is an atypical anti-psychotic medication, not FDA approved for
depression. Like other anti-psychotics, it is sometimes used on an
"experimental" basis when standard treatments fail, but it isn't an
obvious first choice by a long shot.
Wellbutrin is a well-regarded, standard antidepressant. Like all of
them, it may or may not help you; individual reactions vary widely,
and the only way to find out is to try it. You need to give it at
least four weeks to see if it helps, and if it doesn't help at the
initial dose, you would typically try a higher dose next, before
dropping it to try another medication.
Your physician seems to be taking a scatter-shot approach to
treatment, with a weird choice in Abilify, and this concerns me. I do
think you need a better doctor, particularly a psychiatrist who is up
on all the antidepressant medications. I know it's hard, but can you
work at finding one? Drive an hour or two if you have to, but find
one. Then have a good discussion about your symptoms, and the
available treatments. If he diagnoses you with depression, but starts
pushing anti-psychotic drugs at you right off the bat, consider
looking elsewhere.
If you'd like to read up on these drugs, take a look at my Web site,
where you'll find more information.
Good luck!
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000
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| User: "MrPill" |
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| Title: Re: Please Help - Depression and Addiction |
13 May 2004 06:00:45 AM |
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Like Nom says its really important to get the meds sorted out. I've been on
the wrong meds myself not so long ago and like your experience below it
wasn't pleasant. The good news is that when you've found a med or
combination of meds that work things will start to fall into place. The bad
news is that this can be an art as well as a science. In the meantime, try
and go for a brisk walk for at least 20 minutes or more each day, work up a
sweat if you can. For me it makes the rest of the day go a lot smoother and
I can sleep better in the evenings.
RE: sexual addiction, if your doctor puts you on an SSRI you'll find within
several weeks or less that the meds will take away your interest quite
significantly.
Good luck!
"Jeff" <drfl22@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:17dda0a7.0405121826.1cb82452@posting.google.com...
Hi,
This is a sort-of random plea for help. Frankly, I have my
doubts, but I'm going to write anyway. Please excuse my negativity in
advance.
I am addicted to several negative things, sometimes in phases,
sometimes constant. The worst of these addictions is sexual addiction
- I became addicted to pornography at a young age. To further
medicate, I went and continue to go through periods of alcohol abuse,
compulsive spending, gambling and even over-eating.
I have confronted my addictions. For years now I have read every
book on sexual addiction, been to group therapy, counseling; you name
it. I spent hours (and I do mean hours) a day studying God's word,
and finally found a basis for my salvation in knowledge - as I feel
nothing positive I sought out knowledge. In short, I have poured 90%
of my life into recovery for the last 2 years.
Nothing worked. In fact, I became worse. Where periods of
sobriety strengthens others, it harms me - as I never 'feel' better.
And the more I try and "Do" to fight the addictions, the worse I get.
About a month ago, my wife left me as I have this horrible sense of
hopelessness and negativity about me. Basically - I go through
stages. I feel hopeless, act out through addiction, and then pump all
of my energy into recovery, which temporarily propels me into what
seems like a 'positive, self-motivated' mood. 2 days go by, and all
of my efforts fail - the sky is still black - and I repeat the
addictive cycle.
It took my wife leaving and living alone to suddenly make me
realize that the addictions aren't the root of the problem, DEPRESSION
is. As in real, clinical depression. I had never considered it. I
finally had hope. For the first time in my life, I actually forgave
myself just a bit. It made sense - if there's something wrong in my
brain, and I cannot receive joy - no wonder I take such desperate
measures to feel joy - even if it's temporary and self-defeating.
So I dove straight into solving depression. I've read books. I
went to professional help. They spent 2 hours with me, and prescribed
Abilify. I took it. I got really angry within about 5 hours - and
then got lost driving. I called them 5 times before they finally
returned a call and told me to get off of it and prescribed 100mg of
generic Wellbutrin. This did nothing for 3 weeks other than a few
audible hallucinations.
Yet I remained patient. My follow-up visit lasted an amazing 5
minutes. They were behind schedule. In out, let's try a lower dosage
of Ablilify and the 100mg of Wellbutrin, say a quick prayer and see
ya! They told me 100mg is too low of a dose but let's stick with it
for now. WTF is the point if it's too low? Yet, being cooperative, I
gave it another go. I forgot my own passcode to my alarm system and
set that off the next day. Keep in mind I'm in my mid-20's here.
Abilify does nothing for me other than stop me from being able to
remember things clearly. So the doc asked me to call him when that
didn't work. I did. They don't call me back. Screw them.
Someone suggested SAM-e. So I stopped the Wellbutrin (having
already stopped the Abilify after the alarm/alzheimer's episode) and
I've been on that for about 5 days at 1600MG. I noticed some positive
effects for a couple of hours at a time, but then it vanishes - which
makes the lows feel even lower. I plan on taking it at least until I
go back to wonder-doc.
-
Now to my point. I'm losing my mind. I'm so frustrated with
this sh*t that I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering giving up
by whatever means possible. I pump 75% of my effort into 'recovery',
whatever that is - and 25% in being incredibly and fakely cheerful and
happy around everyone at work or in society. But I'm ready to blow
up.
I keep hurting myself. I've put on 20lbs in the last couple of
months. I eat and eat. Every 2 or 3 days I return to sexual
addiction. I go to great lengths to stop myself, canceling accounts,
smashing equipment with hammers - only to rebuy and rebuild it all. I
go drink every couple of weeks just because that's my only way to hang
out with anyone I know. I'd like to know other people who do things
other than drink, but at the moment, I don't know any people like
that. I eat all day long to the point I'm sick. I can't think
straight.
In short, I'm a fscking mess. And I'm pretty damn sick of it as
well. I'm convinced that it's not possible to pump any more efforts
into getting well vs what I'm doing. My entire existence revolves
around this. I can't even focus on work. I can't stand work because
I can't stop thinking about depression and addiction. I'm tired of
feeling guilty about all of these addictions. There are so many. I
just go around and around - sexual addiction, drink, gamble, eat eat
eat, spend spend spend, debt debt, drink, etc. I have no idea what to
do with the situation regarding my absent wife. She must want
results, but I feel like I'm blindfolded being told to run on the path
to safety. I must be quite a downer, yeah. Hell, I'd leave me too -
and that's just the point - I'm about ready to.
No one can live like this for long. It's absolutely maddening.
Being Christian, I feel a horrible conviction of sin over these
addictions. I hate the addictive behavior - yet it's the only way to
medicate this horrible depression. We can put on a hat and say
"That's not right, don't use addictions to medicate!" but let's face
facts, without sometime positive in its place (and I've tried
everything I can think of) I return to the addictions. They work,
temporarily - nothing else has yet. Like today. It just sinks in
right in the middle of the day. I suddenly can't do anything. I
can't work. I'm dead exhausted and have to fight to keep my eyes
open. I can't think. I have to make excuses and arrange to leave
early. I come home. Now, what presented itself as evening activities
yesterday - riding a bike, playing a video game, picking up - are
gone. There's nothing there but this horrible exhaustion. And I
don't want to sleep. I shouldn't be tired, I hate feeling tired for
no reason. I can't shut my eyes because all I think about is how
miserable I am. So I spend 90 minutes rebuilding a computer so I can
view pornography.
And this is what scares me. I closely mentally documented my own
steps. The depression is horrible. I'm honestly willing to trade
weeks of shame over sexual addiction for 2 hours of distraction. And
I can't lie to myself - I clearly make that conscious decision. When
I'm not 100% depressed, I tell myself - DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION - yet
when I am, I CLEARLY make it, and I see why tonight. I have no other
option. When the depression comes back, I'll do something else bad -
drink, gamble - whatever. I have to get away from it.
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I'm at wits end. I can't take the shame anymore. Acting upon
these addictions kill me. I look fat. I can't stand myself.
Honestly, I hate my own brain. I'm tired of trying. I'm tired of
reading books that don't help. I'm tired of not knowing anyone. I
don't want to go to work tomorrow. I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired
of giving doctors and therapists money and they don't give a flying
fsck about helping me despite how incredibly cooperative, open and
willing I am to any sort of treatment.
Most of all - I'm sick of no one understanding. The addiction
related groups don't work for me. There's is a cycle of shame and
ritual. Mine is a cycle of despair. They can heal by healing the
shame. I grow more insane by healing the shame and being left with
increasing despair.
My wife left, and who can blame her? We've only been married for
less than 2 years. I think the goal is for me to get better somehow.
It's just another thing to try for me, and a last effort for her. Yet
here's another problem, I don't know WTF to do. I live here by
myself. I invent all sorts of 'plans' for me - more exercise, better
eating habits, restraints on Internet access, etc. - But I only grow
MORE AND MORE DEPRESSED and defeat my own plans. I can't explain how
hard I try to help myself. But it's so self-defeating.
Simply put, I need any advice on ridding myself of this
depression. I simply can't keep doing this. I'm like a roller
coaster. And I live by myself, I've had to remove all friends from my
life as they are all bad influences (drunks mainly) - and even my dog
stays in the other room when I'm depressed. I'm like a void to any
living thing that's around.
I want help. I'm open to treatment. I can go to another doctor
- but it's at least 5 weeks out just to get in for another 15 minutes
visit. I rarely see my wife. I feel like a countdown timer is on me
and that I have 3 months to get well or my marriage is over. Tick
tock tick tock. But I can't even find the starting gate. Isn't there
anyone who actually gives a damn about this? These doctors clearly
don't take someone who 1) Appears positive 2) Explains clearly that
he/she is making a great effort to appear positive and is actually not
/ seriously. And I look at myself in the mirror and I'd like to beat
the ***** out of myself. And I see myself hating and hating myself
more and more each day and it scares me. And lastly I'm tired of
pumping so much effort into being a positive person around others.
The only thing that stops me from hurting myself is the
KNOWLEDGE that something is clearly wrong with my brain. Yet with
each week that goes by with no results, despite my efforts, I'm even
worse off than when I didn't realize I had depression. KNOWING and
not having any solution is horrible.
I feel like I have strep throat and no one will give me
medicine.
Blah.
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| User: "Pain Devine" |
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| Title: Re: Please Help - Depression and Addiction |
13 May 2004 02:11:28 AM |
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Ok ok ok.... woh! I got ya budy... I WAS you a few years ago.
I'll list what I quit so you maybe can identify:
Ciggarettes, Alchahol, Pot, shrooms, acid, Cocain, Extacy, speed, etc...
Anyways! I had trouble with all this *****, and it sucked. And then one day I
was driving along and was mad that my life was fucked up and I yelled really
loud "Fucking hell I quit!" and I tossed my pot, ciggarettes and cocain out
the window. Yes, even the coke. I drove home and called a shrink and got
councilling. The shrink told me I was depressed. I hadn't realized it
previously but he was right. I was put on Welbutrin and the shrink suggested
that I might not be sleeping well. I hadn't realized this either untill he
mentioned it but he was right. So he also put me on Remeron. Both drugs
helped a lot but it took a while. What really helped was the therapy. Every
2 weeks for YEARS, but well worth it.
Jeff, what ya gotta do is just say "***** it" and quit the *****. throw it all
away, including the pariphinalia. The pipes, the bongs, the sniffer, the
bottles... No 10 step programs, no gradual bulshit, just fucking quit! Then
you gotta tell all your friends that you quit. They'll tease you, but that's
good! Because it'll be embaressing if they see you doing it again. Then go
to all your bars and tell the bartenders you quit drinking. And stay! Order
a coke instead. I personally like to go to bars and order Milk... it really
fucks with em... I go to bars regularly... I don't drink. I just go to prove
to myself I can go and stay sober.
Then you need your therapy. You need to go every 2 weeks, and you need to
tell the dude everything. Don't worry, he won't think your wierd... and even
if he does, he wont tell you.
As far as the christianity goes, that's just another addiction I hate to
tell you. I did that to... it doesn't work. God won't fix this for you,
that's not in his job description. He gave you the wings, but he'll not
prevent you from flying to close to the sun. You should pray, but don't
replace the wisky with a bible.
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| User: "juno7" |
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| Title: Re: Please Help - Depression and Addiction |
13 May 2004 12:02:02 AM |
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there is hope and sometimes it starts with the simplest things. first, focus
your goal right now on getting in the best shape you possibly can. If you
really want help, and are willing to be open, I garuntee if you do this,
your feelings about everything will change.
Putting ALL your focus on everything outside of you will ruin you. Bring
your attention back to you. Start with your body. Make it a goal. You can
totally transform yourself. All your strength and energy will come back. its
not the other way around. If you wait for it to come it never will. You must
make it happen. Feelings follow actions. If you want some good books on
exercise/workinging out/proper eating let me know. Its a science and it
will work for anyone.
But taking care of yourself that way, your mind will start to change. trust
me. and sometimes all we need is just a small change in our mind to be able
to turn in a new direction.
"Jeff" <drfl22@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:17dda0a7.0405121826.1cb82452@posting.google.com...
Hi,
This is a sort-of random plea for help. Frankly, I have my
doubts, but I'm going to write anyway. Please excuse my negativity in
advance.
I am addicted to several negative things, sometimes in phases,
sometimes constant. The worst of these addictions is sexual addiction
- I became addicted to pornography at a young age. To further
medicate, I went and continue to go through periods of alcohol abuse,
compulsive spending, gambling and even over-eating.
I have confronted my addictions. For years now I have read every
book on sexual addiction, been to group therapy, counseling; you name
it. I spent hours (and I do mean hours) a day studying God's word,
and finally found a basis for my salvation in knowledge - as I feel
nothing positive I sought out knowledge. In short, I have poured 90%
of my life into recovery for the last 2 years.
Nothing worked. In fact, I became worse. Where periods of
sobriety strengthens others, it harms me - as I never 'feel' better.
And the more I try and "Do" to fight the addictions, the worse I get.
About a month ago, my wife left me as I have this horrible sense of
hopelessness and negativity about me. Basically - I go through
stages. I feel hopeless, act out through addiction, and then pump all
of my energy into recovery, which temporarily propels me into what
seems like a 'positive, self-motivated' mood. 2 days go by, and all
of my efforts fail - the sky is still black - and I repeat the
addictive cycle.
It took my wife leaving and living alone to suddenly make me
realize that the addictions aren't the root of the problem, DEPRESSION
is. As in real, clinical depression. I had never considered it. I
finally had hope. For the first time in my life, I actually forgave
myself just a bit. It made sense - if there's something wrong in my
brain, and I cannot receive joy - no wonder I take such desperate
measures to feel joy - even if it's temporary and self-defeating.
So I dove straight into solving depression. I've read books. I
went to professional help. They spent 2 hours with me, and prescribed
Abilify. I took it. I got really angry within about 5 hours - and
then got lost driving. I called them 5 times before they finally
returned a call and told me to get off of it and prescribed 100mg of
generic Wellbutrin. This did nothing for 3 weeks other than a few
audible hallucinations.
Yet I remained patient. My follow-up visit lasted an amazing 5
minutes. They were behind schedule. In out, let's try a lower dosage
of Ablilify and the 100mg of Wellbutrin, say a quick prayer and see
ya! They told me 100mg is too low of a dose but let's stick with it
for now. WTF is the point if it's too low? Yet, being cooperative, I
gave it another go. I forgot my own passcode to my alarm system and
set that off the next day. Keep in mind I'm in my mid-20's here.
Abilify does nothing for me other than stop me from being able to
remember things clearly. So the doc asked me to call him when that
didn't work. I did. They don't call me back. Screw them.
Someone suggested SAM-e. So I stopped the Wellbutrin (having
already stopped the Abilify after the alarm/alzheimer's episode) and
I've been on that for about 5 days at 1600MG. I noticed some positive
effects for a couple of hours at a time, but then it vanishes - which
makes the lows feel even lower. I plan on taking it at least until I
go back to wonder-doc.
-
Now to my point. I'm losing my mind. I'm so frustrated with
this sh*t that I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering giving up
by whatever means possible. I pump 75% of my effort into 'recovery',
whatever that is - and 25% in being incredibly and fakely cheerful and
happy around everyone at work or in society. But I'm ready to blow
up.
I keep hurting myself. I've put on 20lbs in the last couple of
months. I eat and eat. Every 2 or 3 days I return to sexual
addiction. I go to great lengths to stop myself, canceling accounts,
smashing equipment with hammers - only to rebuy and rebuild it all. I
go drink every couple of weeks just because that's my only way to hang
out with anyone I know. I'd like to know other people who do things
other than drink, but at the moment, I don't know any people like
that. I eat all day long to the point I'm sick. I can't think
straight.
In short, I'm a fscking mess. And I'm pretty damn sick of it as
well. I'm convinced that it's not possible to pump any more efforts
into getting well vs what I'm doing. My entire existence revolves
around this. I can't even focus on work. I can't stand work because
I can't stop thinking about depression and addiction. I'm tired of
feeling guilty about all of these addictions. There are so many. I
just go around and around - sexual addiction, drink, gamble, eat eat
eat, spend spend spend, debt debt, drink, etc. I have no idea what to
do with the situation regarding my absent wife. She must want
results, but I feel like I'm blindfolded being told to run on the path
to safety. I must be quite a downer, yeah. Hell, I'd leave me too -
and that's just the point - I'm about ready to.
No one can live like this for long. It's absolutely maddening.
Being Christian, I feel a horrible conviction of sin over these
addictions. I hate the addictive behavior - yet it's the only way to
medicate this horrible depression. We can put on a hat and say
"That's not right, don't use addictions to medicate!" but let's face
facts, without sometime positive in its place (and I've tried
everything I can think of) I return to the addictions. They work,
temporarily - nothing else has yet. Like today. It just sinks in
right in the middle of the day. I suddenly can't do anything. I
can't work. I'm dead exhausted and have to fight to keep my eyes
open. I can't think. I have to make excuses and arrange to leave
early. I come home. Now, what presented itself as evening activities
yesterday - riding a bike, playing a video game, picking up - are
gone. There's nothing there but this horrible exhaustion. And I
don't want to sleep. I shouldn't be tired, I hate feeling tired for
no reason. I can't shut my eyes because all I think about is how
miserable I am. So I spend 90 minutes rebuilding a computer so I can
view pornography.
And this is what scares me. I closely mentally documented my own
steps. The depression is horrible. I'm honestly willing to trade
weeks of shame over sexual addiction for 2 hours of distraction. And
I can't lie to myself - I clearly make that conscious decision. When
I'm not 100% depressed, I tell myself - DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION - yet
when I am, I CLEARLY make it, and I see why tonight. I have no other
option. When the depression comes back, I'll do something else bad -
drink, gamble - whatever. I have to get away from it.
-
I'm at wits end. I can't take the shame anymore. Acting upon
these addictions kill me. I look fat. I can't stand myself.
Honestly, I hate my own brain. I'm tired of trying. I'm tired of
reading books that don't help. I'm tired of not knowing anyone. I
don't want to go to work tomorrow. I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired
of giving doctors and therapists money and they don't give a flying
fsck about helping me despite how incredibly cooperative, open and
willing I am to any sort of treatment.
Most of all - I'm sick of no one understanding. The addiction
related groups don't work for me. There's is a cycle of shame and
ritual. Mine is a cycle of despair. They can heal by healing the
shame. I grow more insane by healing the shame and being left with
increasing despair.
My wife left, and who can blame her? We've only been married for
less than 2 years. I think the goal is for me to get better somehow.
It's just another thing to try for me, and a last effort for her. Yet
here's another problem, I don't know WTF to do. I live here by
myself. I invent all sorts of 'plans' for me - more exercise, better
eating habits, restraints on Internet access, etc. - But I only grow
MORE AND MORE DEPRESSED and defeat my own plans. I can't explain how
hard I try to help myself. But it's so self-defeating.
Simply put, I need any advice on ridding myself of this
depression. I simply can't keep doing this. I'm like a roller
coaster. And I live by myself, I've had to remove all friends from my
life as they are all bad influences (drunks mainly) - and even my dog
stays in the other room when I'm depressed. I'm like a void to any
living thing that's around.
I want help. I'm open to treatment. I can go to another doctor
- but it's at least 5 weeks out just to get in for another 15 minutes
visit. I rarely see my wife. I feel like a countdown timer is on me
and that I have 3 months to get well or my marriage is over. Tick
tock tick tock. But I can't even find the starting gate. Isn't there
anyone who actually gives a damn about this? These doctors clearly
don't take someone who 1) Appears positive 2) Explains clearly that
he/she is making a great effort to appear positive and is actually not
/ seriously. And I look at myself in the mirror and I'd like to beat
the ***** out of myself. And I see myself hating and hating myself
more and more each day and it scares me. And lastly I'm tired of
pumping so much effort into being a positive person around others.
The only thing that stops me from hurting myself is the
KNOWLEDGE that something is clearly wrong with my brain. Yet with
each week that goes by with no results, despite my efforts, I'm even
worse off than when I didn't realize I had depression. KNOWING and
not having any solution is horrible.
I feel like I have strep throat and no one will give me
medicine.
Blah.
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