| Topic: |
Sociology > Depression |
| User: |
"RGBs Neighbot" |
| Date: |
05 May 2004 12:39:05 AM |
| Object: |
Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
Wow.
I forget what brought me back into it
--- [ oh, yeah, I remember now, I was looking up
some old stuff I wrote that I've always felt
really sick and sad and guilty about, wondering
how bad it really was (it was bad) ] ---
but I just spent an hour or so reading old RGB / Anonymous /
Annoyingmous / Bokumali (!!!) posts and their replies from 1997 (correct
me if I'm wrong, but isn't that... *7* *years* *ago*???) and I am so
struck by
* how much less I have to say these days
* how impassioned, and sometimes brilliant, and occasionally evil,
and, always, how very, very ill I was back then
* how little I can tell about myself, and my life, by
contemplating these differences, between then and now
This last one is what really has me scratching my head tonight.
Seven-odd years of posting words here, and I still have no clear idea,
even when staring right into whatever I'd exposed so nakedly in my old
writings, whether or not I'm getting better or getting worse.
And yet, here I am, still living this person's life and still having the
awesome, unbearable responsibility for it.
I just cannot figure this out.
Oh well. Come to the wiki and talk. That is what I would really like to
contribute and accomplish here these days, the creation and nurturing of
that place as a place where people come to do that wiki thing, for
themselves and others.
That is all. Thanks for listening.
"Stay strong and take care of YOU"
RGB
--
http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki!
.
|
|
| User: "Bev Thornton" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 08:07:32 AM |
|
|
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
I just cannot figure this out.
haha
Oh well. Come to the wiki and talk.
Talk?
That is what I would really like to
contribute and accomplish here these days, the creation and nurturing of
that place as a place where people come to do that wiki thing, for
What wiki thing?
--
Compute Free: <http://debian.org/> <http://minix.org/> <http://openbsd.org/>
<http://peacebrigades.org/><http://greenpeace.org/><http://refugeecamp.org/>
<http://www.icrc.org><http://rawa.org><http://seruv.org><http://www.msf.org>
<http://www.whalewatch.org><http://www.icbl.org><http://greatapeproject.org>
.
|
|
|
| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 09:50:00 AM |
|
|
In article <2furkkF2djm2U4@uni-berlin.de>,
Bev Thornton <bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
haha
Roffle*3.
Oh well. Come to the wiki and talk.
Talk?
You seem to think there's a point to be made in undermining the audio
metaphor, and I suppose to the extent that people complain about "noise"
and "abuse" and such, it is worth pointing out that, unlike construction
workers banging on your roof, you don't read someone's words unless you
choose to read them. But yeah, talk. You know what I mean.
What wiki thing?
THAT wiki thing!
--
http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki! wiki wiki wiki!!!
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bev Thornton" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 10:42:15 AM |
|
|
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
You seem to think there's a point to be made in undermining the audio
metaphor, and I suppose to the extent that people complain about "noise"
and "abuse" and such, it is worth pointing out that, unlike construction
workers banging on your roof, you don't read someone's words unless you
choose to read them. But yeah, talk. You know what I mean.
What was it Orwell said about the degradation of language? I forget. haha
Language must expand for consciousness to expand. Contraction of language by
expansion of definitions is simply laziness and it constrains what can
actually be accurately expressed.
Here we are engaging in correspondence, not talking.
What wiki thing?
THAT wiki thing!
Now that's even worse.
English sucks. I want to learn Sanskrit and Tibetan now. Ancient Hebrew
would be nice too. Something to build with.
--
Compute Free: <http://debian.org/> <http://minix.org/> <http://openbsd.org/>
<http://peacebrigades.org/><http://greenpeace.org/><http://refugeecamp.org/>
<http://www.icrc.org><http://rawa.org><http://seruv.org><http://www.msf.org>
<http://www.whalewatch.org><http://www.icbl.org><http://greatapeproject.org>
.
|
|
|
| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 10:49:54 AM |
|
|
In article <2fv4mpF2i7cqU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Bev Thornton <bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
Language must expand for consciousness to expand. Contraction of language
by expansion of definitions is simply laziness and it constrains what can
actually be accurately expressed.
Oh, OK.
Here we are engaging in correspondence, not talking.
Though this is something other than traditional correspondence, which is
private, one to one. There's really no word for the kinds of
interactions you can have in all the new Internet media.
English sucks.
So don't use it!
--
http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki! neebla goober, gipgipgip!
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bev Thornton" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 02:17:40 PM |
|
|
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
In article <2fv4mpF2i7cqU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Bev Thornton <bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
English sucks.
So don't use it!
HA! All the more reason to use it. And to refine it and expand it.
Neologize daily!
--
Compute Free: <http://debian.org/> <http://minix.org/> <http://openbsd.org/>
<http://peacebrigades.org/><http://greenpeace.org/><http://refugeecamp.org/>
<http://www.icrc.org><http://rawa.org><http://seruv.org><http://www.msf.org>
<http://www.whalewatch.org><http://www.icbl.org><http://greatapeproject.org>
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "GlennT" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
05 May 2004 05:37:52 AM |
|
|
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
Wow.
I forget what brought me back into it
--- [ oh, yeah, I remember now, I was looking up
some old stuff I wrote that I've always felt
really sick and sad and guilty about, wondering
how bad it really was (it was bad) ] ---
but I just spent an hour or so reading old RGB / Anonymous /
Annoyingmous / Bokumali (!!!) posts and their replies from 1997 (correct
me if I'm wrong, but isn't that... *7* *years* *ago*???) and I am so
struck by
* how much less I have to say these days
* how impassioned, and sometimes brilliant, and occasionally evil,
and, always, how very, very ill I was back then
* how little I can tell about myself, and my life, by
contemplating these differences, between then and now
This last one is what really has me scratching my head tonight.
Seven-odd years of posting words here, and I still have no clear idea,
even when staring right into whatever I'd exposed so nakedly in my old
writings, whether or not I'm getting better or getting worse.
And yet, here I am, still living this person's life and still having the
awesome, unbearable responsibility for it.
I just cannot figure this out.
Oh well. Come to the wiki and talk. That is what I would really like to
contribute and accomplish here these days, the creation and nurturing of
that place as a place where people come to do that wiki thing, for
themselves and others.
That is all. Thanks for listening.
"Stay strong and take care of YOU"
RGB
If you're going to do something, do it well. IMO, you did. Maybe you
still do but I wouldn't know about that. We change and we grow.
If you like, there is painful separation from what we once were.
Also, if you like, there is joyful acceptance of new ideas full of
other things that smell like opportunity.
Better or worse? Why is that qualification so enchanting? Just
different and constantly different... till we die spiritually or
emotionally or physically. I can understand that.
GlennT
.
|
|
|
| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 07:17:54 AM |
|
|
"GlennT" <ask@noname.com> wrote in message
news:4098C400.2040106@noname.com...
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
Wow.
I forget what brought me back into it
--- [ oh, yeah, I remember now, I was looking up
some old stuff I wrote that I've always felt
really sick and sad and guilty about, wondering
how bad it really was (it was bad) ] ---
but I just spent an hour or so reading old RGB / Anonymous /
Annoyingmous / Bokumali (!!!) posts and their replies from 1997 (correct
me if I'm wrong, but isn't that... *7* *years* *ago*???) and I am so
struck by
* how much less I have to say these days
* how impassioned, and sometimes brilliant, and occasionally evil,
and, always, how very, very ill I was back then
* how little I can tell about myself, and my life, by
contemplating these differences, between then and now
This last one is what really has me scratching my head tonight.
Seven-odd years of posting words here, and I still have no clear idea,
even when staring right into whatever I'd exposed so nakedly in my old
writings, whether or not I'm getting better or getting worse.
And yet, here I am, still living this person's life and still having the
awesome, unbearable responsibility for it.
I just cannot figure this out.
Oh well. Come to the wiki and talk. That is what I would really like to
contribute and accomplish here these days, the creation and nurturing of
that place as a place where people come to do that wiki thing, for
themselves and others.
That is all. Thanks for listening.
"Stay strong and take care of YOU"
RGB
If you're going to do something, do it well. IMO, you did. Maybe you
still do but I wouldn't know about that. We change and we grow.
If you like, there is painful separation from what we once were.
Also, if you like, there is joyful acceptance of new ideas full of
other things that smell like opportunity.
Better or worse? Why is that qualification so enchanting? Just
different and constantly different... till we die spiritually or
emotionally or physically. I can understand that.
Maybe (almost sure) some of the better I have read from you. The only thing
I cannot ping is the level of abstraction of what you say. Do you say it by
heart or do you say it "intellectually"?
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox
.
|
|
|
| User: "GlennT" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
07 May 2004 03:58:24 AM |
|
|
Teilhard Knight wrote:
"GlennT" <ask@noname.com> wrote in message
If you're going to do something, do it well. IMO, you did. Maybe you
still do but I wouldn't know about that. We change and we grow.
If you like, there is painful separation from what we once were.
Also, if you like, there is joyful acceptance of new ideas full of
other things that smell like opportunity.
Better or worse? Why is that qualification so enchanting? Just
different and constantly different... till we die spiritually or
emotionally or physically. I can understand that.
Maybe (almost sure) some of the better I have read from you. The only thing
I cannot ping is the level of abstraction of what you say. Do you say it by
heart or do you say it "intellectually"?
Thanks. By heart... it is my story and it is from the heart. Not
being understood is fine. Being understood is even better although
*much* rarer. This is what I know to be true rather than what I
project *could* be true.
GlennT
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "alvintchase" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
07 May 2004 10:09:34 AM |
|
|
Wow.
I forget what brought me back into it
--- [ oh, yeah, I remember now, I was looking up
some old stuff I wrote that I've always felt
really sick and sad and guilty about, wondering
how bad it really was (it was bad) ] ---
but I just spent an hour or so reading old RGB / Anonymous /
Annoyingmous / Bokumali (!!!) posts and their replies from 1997 (correct
me if I'm wrong, but isn't that... *7* *years* *ago*???) and I am so
struck by
* how much less I have to say these days
* how impassioned, and sometimes brilliant, and occasionally evil,
and, always, how very, very ill I was back then
* how little I can tell about myself, and my life, by
contemplating these differences, between then and now
This last one is what really has me scratching my head tonight.
Seven-odd years of posting words here, and I still have no clear idea,
even when staring right into whatever I'd exposed so nakedly in my old
writings, whether or not I'm getting better or getting worse.
And yet, here I am, still living this person's life and still having the
awesome, unbearable responsibility for it.
I just cannot figure this out.
Oh well. Come to the wiki and talk. That is what I would really like to
contribute and accomplish here these days, the creation and nurturing of
that place as a place where people come to do that wiki thing, for
themselves and others.
That is all. Thanks for listening.
"Stay strong and take care of YOU"
RGB
It is strange to go back and look at old posts...In some
ways I've changed,I think,and in other ways,I haven't.Alot of the
issues I was dealing with then,I'm still dealing with...I'm happy
about some of the cahnges I've made...of course old posts can only
reflect a part of us.What we post on ASD is never the full picture of
who we are.There is always parts of us we don't share.(which is one of
the reasons it's upsetting when people try to turn us into one
dimensional cartoons.nobody is one dimensional.everyone posts
selectively.)One of the sad thing about looking back at posts from
years ago is how friendships that you thought would last forever(or at
least as long you were on ASD)have have ended...Of course,it's never
one person's fault.there is often misunderstandings,conflicts,people
changing,seeing things too differently,but there's always a sadness
when a frienship ends badly...
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
05 May 2004 09:30:42 AM |
|
|
In article <4098C400.2040106@noname.com>, GlennT <ask@noname.com>
wrote:
Better or worse? Why is that qualification so enchanting?
Maybe because some of us start out with "awful".
--
http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki!
.
|
|
|
| User: "GlennT" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
07 May 2004 03:55:48 AM |
|
|
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
In article <4098C400.2040106@noname.com>, GlennT <ask@noname.com>
wrote:
Better or worse? Why is that qualification so enchanting?
Maybe because some of us start out with "awful".
No, none of us do. We start out born and alive. Forgetting chemical
genetics for a sec, we are what we conquer not we we inherit.
GlennT
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Bev Thornton" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 08:11:53 AM |
|
|
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki!
What will you do if a wiki war starts? Like, look what an anonymous remailer
can do to a newsgroup.
--
Compute Free: <http://debian.org/> <http://minix.org/> <http://openbsd.org/>
<http://peacebrigades.org/><http://greenpeace.org/><http://refugeecamp.org/>
<http://www.icrc.org><http://rawa.org><http://seruv.org><http://www.msf.org>
<http://www.whalewatch.org><http://www.icbl.org><http://greatapeproject.org>
.
|
|
|
| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 09:47:06 AM |
|
|
In article <2furspF2djm2U5@uni-berlin.de>,
Bev Thornton <bevthornton@email.com> wrote:
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki!
What will you do if a wiki war starts? Like, look what
an anonymous remailer can do to a newsgroup.
The problem with a wiki war is, if somebody really wants to declare one,
whoopie, that's it, game over, until the "warrior" gets bored and
decides to chill. Can't be very satisfying, especially without the
delightful back-and-forth of threats to contact one's ISP, etc. I did
have one vandal early on who was deleting pages, but I blocked a couple
of networks and that was that, though of course if she decides to come
back from a different account or enlist minions (haha, historical
reference) it'll be a minor pain in the ***** all over again.
And you can't really have a multilateral wiki war. I mean, if two
opposing parties dedicate themselves to deleting one another's writings
as soon as they're posted, you just aren't going to see anything by
either of them. You can, of course, declare war on the wiki itself, in
which case you will immediately win, the wiki participants will give up
and do something else, and you will be left standing there attempting to
expose yourself to an empty schoolyard. You will then skulk off in
victory, and after a while, the admin will bring the wiki back up,
revert it to the state it was in before you trashed it, and people may
or may not start using it again.
I suppose creating a secret "sanctuary" like asd.wiki.recovery would be
an option, but ick.
I would imagine you'd like the wiki concept, Mr. Bevalator! Anarchy and
all that.
--
http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki!
.
|
|
|
| User: "Bev Thornton" |
|
| Title: Re: Pondering the Verbal Energies of Yesteryear |
06 May 2004 10:35:50 AM |
|
|
RGB's Neighbot wrote:
The problem with a wiki war is, if somebody really wants to declare one,
whoopie, that's it, game over, until the "warrior" gets bored and
decides to chill.
I'm thinking about putting up a MUSH. There's a bit of security control with
them.
Can't be very satisfying, especially without the
delightful back-and-forth of threats to contact one's ISP, etc.
Some people get some kind of perverse satisfaction from creating very poorly
coded, written and presented web pages, eh?
reference) it'll be a minor pain in the ***** all over again.
As long as it's only a minor one. Any bozo with a mac can make a mess pretty
quick these days.
And you can't really have a multilateral wiki war. I mean, if two
opposing parties dedicate themselves to deleting one another's writings
as soon as they're posted, you just aren't going to see anything by
either of them.
People can fill an open wiki with a mess of useless links. They can have a
unilateral wiki war.
You can, of course, declare war on the wiki itself, in
which case you will immediately win, the wiki participants will give up
and do something else, and you will be left standing there attempting to
expose yourself to an empty schoolyard. You will then skulk off in
victory, and after a while, the admin will bring the wiki back up,
Ok. Good plan. That'll work. Just ask the Afghanis, Iraqis or Viet Cong.
hahahaha
I suppose creating a secret "sanctuary" like asd.wiki.recovery would be
an option, but ick.
Yup.
I would imagine you'd like the wiki concept, Mr. Bevalator! Anarchy and
all that.
I already uploaded a picture of Cammy Cat, airborne ranger. She escaped
Death Row and is qualified for amphibious airborne operations.
--
Compute Free: <http://debian.org/> <http://minix.org/> <http://openbsd.org/>
<http://peacebrigades.org/><http://greenpeace.org/><http://refugeecamp.org/>
<http://www.icrc.org><http://rawa.org><http://seruv.org><http://www.msf.org>
<http://www.whalewatch.org><http://www.icbl.org><http://greatapeproject.org>
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
