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"lily stargazer" |
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01 Oct 2005 08:31:25 PM |
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Pretty stupid...now what? |
I've been reading here for a while now. Thanks for all the laughs and
the help to the questions you've answered that I didn't ask.
Here's the stupid thing I did and don't know how to get out of it. The
truth is always an option, but...
My boss knows about my depression. She doesn't get it, but is trying.
There are times when I need time off to just regenerate my batteries so
I can keep going. She gives me a hard time about this. They are
trying to reduce sick time so we're always being questioned. In the
past I've told her the above. It gets me a comment to see the employee
assistance thing, last time being "So I don't have to give you a letter
about seeing someone?" I'm already seeing someone.
She is in a job that is above her knowledge base. I've been there
forever. She needs me and gets pissed if I'm not there the moment she
has a question. There are others there that can help.
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance.
Lily
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01 Oct 2005 08:38:43 PM |
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"lily stargazer" <lillystarrgazzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128216685.040378.67050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I've been reading here for a while now. Thanks for all the laughs and
the help to the questions you've answered that I didn't ask.
Here's the stupid thing I did and don't know how to get out of it. The
truth is always an option, but...
My boss knows about my depression. She doesn't get it, but is trying.
There are times when I need time off to just regenerate my batteries so
I can keep going. She gives me a hard time about this. They are
trying to reduce sick time so we're always being questioned. In the
past I've told her the above. It gets me a comment to see the employee
assistance thing, last time being "So I don't have to give you a letter
about seeing someone?" I'm already seeing someone.
She is in a job that is above her knowledge base. I've been there
forever. She needs me and gets pissed if I'm not there the moment she
has a question. There are others there that can help.
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance.
Lily
get ready to be dismissed , or get a note that says ,
it wasn't pink eye it was whatever it was , or ,
forge your own note and risk it
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| User: "Used2be" |
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01 Oct 2005 08:34:18 PM |
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"lily stargazer" <lillystarrgazzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128216685.040378.67050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I've been reading here for a while now. Thanks for all the laughs and
the help to the questions you've answered that I didn't ask.
Here's the stupid thing I did and don't know how to get out of it. The
truth is always an option, but...
My boss knows about my depression. She doesn't get it, but is trying.
There are times when I need time off to just regenerate my batteries so
I can keep going. She gives me a hard time about this. They are
trying to reduce sick time so we're always being questioned. In the
past I've told her the above. It gets me a comment to see the employee
assistance thing, last time being "So I don't have to give you a letter
about seeing someone?" I'm already seeing someone.
She is in a job that is above her knowledge base. I've been there
forever. She needs me and gets pissed if I'm not there the moment she
has a question. There are others there that can help.
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
tell her there was no need to go to the doctor for it...that you bought that
OTC stuff at walmart and it fixed you right up.
you wouldn't want to hurt the company's health insurance plan by incurring
unnecessary medical expenses, right???
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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01 Oct 2005 10:37:07 PM |
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I don't know your doctor but mine will usually give me a note to the effect
of "he was out for necessary medical reasons"
It's never specific, but it comes on a pad with the right letterhead and
that's all that matters.
"lily stargazer" <lillystarrgazzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128216685.040378.67050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I've been reading here for a while now. Thanks for all the laughs and
the help to the questions you've answered that I didn't ask.
Here's the stupid thing I did and don't know how to get out of it. The
truth is always an option, but...
My boss knows about my depression. She doesn't get it, but is trying.
There are times when I need time off to just regenerate my batteries so
I can keep going. She gives me a hard time about this. They are
trying to reduce sick time so we're always being questioned. In the
past I've told her the above. It gets me a comment to see the employee
assistance thing, last time being "So I don't have to give you a letter
about seeing someone?" I'm already seeing someone.
She is in a job that is above her knowledge base. I've been there
forever. She needs me and gets pissed if I'm not there the moment she
has a question. There are others there that can help.
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance.
Lily
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| User: "imapapallama" |
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01 Oct 2005 11:23:27 PM |
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Sorry about double posting this but I want to make sure Lily sees it. This
made a big difference for five years of my life.
Lily, do you work in a company with more than 50 people? I think that's the
cutoff number. If so you need to claim protection under the Americans with
Disabilities Act (ADA). This gives you federal protection from
discrimination, and if they disparage you about your depression, it's as
serious as a boss calling someone in a wheelchair a "cripple", or calling a
black person the N-word. If they do fire you then you have federal recourse
against them. They also can't say anything to any of your coworkers about it
or they are liable.
The longest I had ever kept a job was 20 months, that is until the last
one. I kept that five years (before I went on SSDI,) and it was because of
the ADA. Just type something up that says what your diagnosis is, and that
you want protection under the ADA. They have no choice in the matter and you
don't have to prove anything to them. I had to take weeks off at a time on
occasion and for this I'd just need a note from my shrink.
On this letter you can also tell them the truth about the pink-eye thing
and that you were afraid of losing your job, but that it was because of your
depression. (If you continue the pink eye lie, they can get you for that,
but don't give them the chance to say ANYTHING on Monday morning before you
give this to them, in writing and verbally). Have them sign a copy that it
was received. At that point they are at YOUR mercy. Trust me on this as I
have lived it (and yes, they really, really wanted me gone as I was
sometimes unstable).
Jeff
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3q92v1FddkajU1@individual.net...
I don't know your doctor but mine will usually give me a note to the effect
of "he was out for necessary medical reasons"
It's never specific, but it comes on a pad with the right letterhead and
that's all that matters.
"lily stargazer" <lillystarrgazzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128216685.040378.67050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I've been reading here for a while now. Thanks for all the laughs and
the help to the questions you've answered that I didn't ask.
Here's the stupid thing I did and don't know how to get out of it. The
truth is always an option, but...
My boss knows about my depression. She doesn't get it, but is trying.
There are times when I need time off to just regenerate my batteries so
I can keep going. She gives me a hard time about this. They are
trying to reduce sick time so we're always being questioned. In the
past I've told her the above. It gets me a comment to see the employee
assistance thing, last time being "So I don't have to give you a letter
about seeing someone?" I'm already seeing someone.
She is in a job that is above her knowledge base. I've been there
forever. She needs me and gets pissed if I'm not there the moment she
has a question. There are others there that can help.
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance.
Lily
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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02 Oct 2005 02:41:14 AM |
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imapapallama <thedeuceguy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Sorry about double posting this but I want to make sure Lily sees it. This
made a big difference for five years of my life.
Lily, do you work in a company with more than 50 people? I think that's the
cutoff number.
And a formal Dx, right?
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "lily stargazer" |
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04 Oct 2005 03:20:33 PM |
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Many thanks to all who gave advice on what to do with the pink eye
issue.
Well.....I told her the truth, why I felt as I did, how her actions
impact me, that I was afraid I would get fired.
She cried. This woman NEVER cries. She didn't realize that she was
doing those things. She didn't mean to. She's always afraid that she
cares so much and likes me, that she'll look as if she's favoring me.
And probably goes the other way to compensate.
We're going to meet with the counselor at our workplace and see what we
can do to help each other.
She told me that I'm the only one that comes to her honestly and
openly. That I've helped her through these past years. She feels like
an outsider and I've been able to explain things in a way that is
helpful.
I know some of my feeling are impacted by incidents from when she first
came here and didn't understand. She's trying and has improved. We're
going to have a "codeword" for me to use when she's doing the things we
talked about so she can catch herself in the moment.
And she'll continue to hold me accountable to my responsibilities. I
wouldn't want it any other way.
Lily (who had her best night's sleep since Friday)
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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04 Oct 2005 11:56:49 PM |
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"lily stargazer" <lillystarrgazzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128457233.466026.265000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
We're going to meet with the counselor at our workplace and see what we
can do to help each other.
Lily (who had her best night's sleep since Friday)
Wow. That's amazing. Turns out she's a good boss and a good person. I
don't even know the woman and I'm impressed. Well done Lily!
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
The Labyrinth
http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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04 Oct 2005 11:55:47 PM |
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On 2005-10-04, lily stargazer wrote:
Well.....I told her the truth, why I felt as I did, how her actions
impact me, that I was afraid I would get fired.
Yay! Good job.
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.aahuk.org/>
Let one admonish; let one teach; let one forbid the wrong;
and one will be loved by the good and hated by the bad.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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04 Oct 2005 03:31:18 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:20:33 -0700, lily stargazer wrote:
Many thanks to all who gave advice on what to do with the pink eye
issue.
Well.....I told her the truth, why I felt as I did, how her actions
impact me, that I was afraid I would get fired.
She cried. This woman NEVER cries. She didn't realize that she was
doing those things. She didn't mean to. She's always afraid that she
cares so much and likes me, that she'll look as if she's favoring me.
And probably goes the other way to compensate.
We're going to meet with the counselor at our workplace and see what we
can do to help each other.
She told me that I'm the only one that comes to her honestly and
openly. That I've helped her through these past years. She feels like
an outsider and I've been able to explain things in a way that is
helpful.
I know some of my feeling are impacted by incidents from when she first
came here and didn't understand. She's trying and has improved. We're
going to have a "codeword" for me to use when she's doing the things we
talked about so she can catch herself in the moment.
And she'll continue to hold me accountable to my responsibilities. I
wouldn't want it any other way.
Lily (who had her best night's sleep since Friday)
Glad to hear it. This brought a little tear to my eye.
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "yuluwirri" |
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04 Oct 2005 05:06:51 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:31:18 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:20:33 -0700, lily stargazer wrote:
Many thanks to all who gave advice on what to do with the pink eye
issue.
Well.....I told her the truth, why I felt as I did, how her actions
impact me, that I was afraid I would get fired.
She cried. This woman NEVER cries. She didn't realize that she was
doing those things. She didn't mean to. She's always afraid that she
cares so much and likes me, that she'll look as if she's favoring me.
And probably goes the other way to compensate.
We're going to meet with the counselor at our workplace and see what we
can do to help each other.
She told me that I'm the only one that comes to her honestly and
openly. That I've helped her through these past years. She feels like
an outsider and I've been able to explain things in a way that is
helpful.
I know some of my feeling are impacted by incidents from when she first
came here and didn't understand. She's trying and has improved. We're
going to have a "codeword" for me to use when she's doing the things we
talked about so she can catch herself in the moment.
And she'll continue to hold me accountable to my responsibilities. I
wouldn't want it any other way.
Lily (who had her best night's sleep since Friday)
Glad to hear it. This brought a little tear to my eye.
Yeah. That's excellent. I love it when things work out like this.
--
yuluwirri
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Fish know.
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yuluwirri@hotmail.com
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| User: "Inamorata lickmadoodlewop" |
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04 Oct 2005 04:48:14 PM |
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lily stargazer wrote:
Many thanks to all who gave advice on what to do with the pink eye
issue.
Well.....I told her the truth, why I felt as I did, how her actions
impact me, that I was afraid I would get fired.
Well Done! Proud of you, that must have taken a bunch of courage.
You couldnt have hoped for a better outcome.
I hope your relationship continues this way.
All the best.
Inamorata
-Those that mind dont matter.
The ones that matter dont mind.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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01 Oct 2005 09:03:40 PM |
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On 2005-10-02, lily stargazer wrote:
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
Why not? Go to the doctor and get a note that says you don't have pink eye
and it is safe for you to go to work.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Next time, don't lie.
For now, you can get the note that indicates it is okay for you to go back
to work and decide how to deal with the truth of the whole matter if it
comes up. Your boss probably just wants a note that clears you for being
contagious.
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.oxfam.org/>
From craving springs grief. From craving springs fear.
For who is wholly free from craving, there is no grief, much less fear.
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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02 Oct 2005 02:39:04 AM |
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Bev Thornton <Sender@not.invalid> wrote:
On 2005-10-02, lily stargazer wrote:
Why not? Go to the doctor and get a note that says you don't have pink eye
and it is safe for you to go to work.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why.
Nah, don't do that.
Next time, don't lie.
Second that.
For now, you can get the note that indicates it is okay for you to go back
to work and decide how to deal with the truth of the whole matter if it
comes up. Your boss probably just wants a note that clears you for being
contagious.
Or is getting on your case with that as a pretext, but that's
a legitimate thing to treat stringently.
I used to have a doctor or two whom I'd see about stuff when
I couldn't work. (Had to pay them) I would complain about
conditions I actually might have. One has to be mobile
enough to *get* to the doc though.
Wish I had intelligent thoughts about the larger situation
(ignorant boss etc.) But I don't. Am willing to discuss it
more.
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but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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03 Oct 2005 01:48:55 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:31:25 -0700, lily stargazer wrote:
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't get
one.
Yep... that was stupid. Don't apologize about having a disease... you
wouldn't feel the need to make something up if you needed a day off
because you had diabetes would you?
Sounds to me like you could go to the doctor, who will tell you you don't
have pink eye and are therefore fine to go back to work... and squeeze in
another day off while doing it. The moral of that story being: question me
and you loose me for even more time.
What I tell my boss when I need a day: "I'm going to take the day off
tomorrow so I don't kill everyone."
I love my boss.
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "imapapallama" |
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03 Oct 2005 01:57:19 PM |
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What I tell my boss when I need a day: "I'm going to take the day off
tomorrow so I don't kill everyone."
That's pretty good, except that it just comes too close to the truth. When
you hear about the latest guy going postal, and you find yourself
empathizing with the shooter, this is a sign that it's time to go on
disability.
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.03.18.48.50.725782@you.now...
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:31:25 -0700, lily stargazer wrote:
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't get
one.
Yep... that was stupid. Don't apologize about having a disease... you
wouldn't feel the need to make something up if you needed a day off
because you had diabetes would you?
Sounds to me like you could go to the doctor, who will tell you you don't
have pink eye and are therefore fine to go back to work... and squeeze in
another day off while doing it. The moral of that story being: question me
and you loose me for even more time.
What I tell my boss when I need a day: "I'm going to take the day off
tomorrow so I don't kill everyone."
I love my boss.
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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03 Oct 2005 02:42:16 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:57:19 +0000, imapapallama wrote:
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.03.18.48.50.725782@you.now...
What I tell my boss when I need a day: "I'm going to take the day off
tomorrow so I don't kill everyone."
That's pretty good, except that it just comes too close to the truth.
When you hear about the latest guy going postal, and you find yourself
empathizing with the shooter, this is a sign that it's time to go on
disability.
There is no humor or sarcasm in my statement... it is the truth.
I do empathize with the shooters... I think I know exactly what's going on
in their heads and understand why they are doing what they're doing better
than they do. If they understood why they were doing what they were doing
they, most likely, wouldn't do it.
That fact that I recognize my moments of extreme instability and am
proactive about them is the only reason I haven't been on the news.
If I went on disability I would have had to do it when I was thirteen and
never lived a life at all.
I think only the "newly depressed" go postal... they don't have any
experience in dealing with it yet.
(top post and fubared quoting repaired)
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "imapapallama" |
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03 Oct 2005 05:05:19 PM |
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It's been a progression for me, which I avoided a good long time by being a
student. A BA and MSS. I know you're not kidding, and neither was I. THEY
surely think you're kidding, that's why they occasionly end up dead. I think
the "phenomenom" of workplace shootings are simply suicides with a fun
detour.
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.03.19.42.16.120169@you.now...
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:57:19 +0000, imapapallama wrote:
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.03.18.48.50.725782@you.now...
What I tell my boss when I need a day: "I'm going to take the day off
tomorrow so I don't kill everyone."
That's pretty good, except that it just comes too close to the truth.
When you hear about the latest guy going postal, and you find yourself
empathizing with the shooter, this is a sign that it's time to go on
disability.
There is no humor or sarcasm in my statement... it is the truth.
I do empathize with the shooters... I think I know exactly what's going on
in their heads and understand why they are doing what they're doing better
than they do. If they understood why they were doing what they were doing
they, most likely, wouldn't do it.
That fact that I recognize my moments of extreme instability and am
proactive about them is the only reason I haven't been on the news.
If I went on disability I would have had to do it when I was thirteen and
never lived a life at all.
I think only the "newly depressed" go postal... they don't have any
experience in dealing with it yet.
(top post and fubared quoting repaired)
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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04 Oct 2005 10:37:11 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:05:19 +0000, imapapallama wrote:
It's been a progression for me, which I avoided a good long time by
being a student. A BA and MSS. I know you're not kidding, and neither
was I. THEY surely think you're kidding, that's why they occasionly end
up dead.
No, I'm quite open and honest with my boss.
I think the "phenomenom" of workplace shootings are simply suicides with
a fun detour.
I've seen one first hand... there's not much fun involved.
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "imapapallama" |
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04 Oct 2005 11:07:45 AM |
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I was speaking just of the shooter, and fun may not be the right word,
perhaps satisfaction. I believe it is also a way to make sure that the
shooter himself goes through with his suicide, as if he lives his life is
going to be even worse than before (if that's possible).
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.04.15.37.11.286706@you.now...
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:05:19 +0000, imapapallama wrote:
It's been a progression for me, which I avoided a good long time by
being a student. A BA and MSS. I know you're not kidding, and neither
was I. THEY surely think you're kidding, that's why they occasionly end
up dead.
No, I'm quite open and honest with my boss.
I think the "phenomenom" of workplace shootings are simply suicides with
a fun detour.
I've seen one first hand... there's not much fun involved.
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "Gayle" |
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05 Oct 2005 08:55:53 AM |
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Ivan Marsh wrote:
I think the "phenomenom" of workplace shootings are simply suicides with
a fun detour.
I've seen one first hand... there's not much fun involved.
I'd be interested in hearing more about
your experience, Ivan, if you don't mind
talking about it.
Gayle
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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05 Oct 2005 10:55:05 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:55:53 -0400, Gayle wrote:
Ivan Marsh wrote:
I think the "phenomenom" of workplace shootings are simply suicides
with a fun detour.
I've seen one first hand... there's not much fun involved.
I'd be interested in hearing more about your experience, Ivan, if you
don't mind talking about it.
My grandmother.
Two rounds, more than a minute apart, point blank range to the head, from
a forty-five semi-automatic by the psychotic ex-boyfriend of her best
friend.
I thought it was "just another police standoff" as I watched it live on
TV... until I recognized the apartment complex.
I should heft a pint to Beulah tonight.
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"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "imapapallama" |
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05 Oct 2005 11:34:35 AM |
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Ivan
I am very sorry for what happened to her and all those who knew her. But
this is not the kind of act that I was speaking of. It was of the people who
exact their revenge on their tormentors; their bosses and even co-workers.
This is a particular kind of killing, one where the 'shooter' has been
pushed to the brink of suicide but feels he must settle the score first.
It's very specific and has a definite demographic. Please don't feel that I
was talking about the type of situation your grandmother was in.
Llama
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.05.15.55.04.416304@you.now...
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:55:53 -0400, Gayle wrote:
Ivan Marsh wrote:
I think the "phenomenom" of workplace shootings are simply suicides
with a fun detour.
I've seen one first hand... there's not much fun involved.
I'd be interested in hearing more about your experience, Ivan, if you
don't mind talking about it.
My grandmother.
Two rounds, more than a minute apart, point blank range to the head, from
a forty-five semi-automatic by the psychotic ex-boyfriend of her best
friend.
I thought it was "just another police standoff" as I watched it live on
TV... until I recognized the apartment complex.
I should heft a pint to Beulah tonight.
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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05 Oct 2005 02:19:26 PM |
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I know what you're talking about... but I think you're trying to invent
psychology/pathology to help you get your mind around it. It's all the
same situation. There is no justification... I don't care how difficult,
alienated or horrifying your life has been... there's always someone who's
had it worse and manages to go their entire life without shooting a room
full of people.
The whiny idiots of Columbine, the guy that shot up 101 California in San
Francisco over bad legal advice, the guy that shoots up an office full of
people because a receptionist he went out with once won't return his
calls, family annihilators, the guy that killed my grandma because he had
a bad day at work, the woman in Chicago who recently attempted suicide by
running into the back of a car being driven by a friend of mine and two of
his friends, at 70mph, killing all three of them but leaving her without a
scratch... they're all the same.
"revenge on *perceived* tormentors" is delusional. "settling the score" is
delusional.
These are people that have been under stress for long periods of time
without realizing it. These are people that have been feeling anxiety for
long periods of time without realizing it. Their fight or flight response
system has been on so long it gets overloaded and they start "thinking"
with the primitive parts of their brain which leads to disassociation,
delusion and rage. Since they have no experience dealing with their
emotions and probably haven't had am honest moments introspection in their
lives the irrational emotions they feel become "reasonable"... in their
minds they are the victim... they may be adults but they never grew past
two years old emotionally.
People who want to die, kill themselves.
People who take others with them are weak cowards looking for someone to
take responsibility for their lives away from them... and they should be
put down like rabid dogs.
I would expect no less if I ever let slip the quivering, black beast
curled up in the back of my brain.
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:34:35 +0000, imapapallama wrote:
Ivan
I am very sorry for what happened to her and all those who knew her. But
this is not the kind of act that I was speaking of. It was of the people
who exact their revenge on their tormentors; their bosses and even
co-workers. This is a particular kind of killing, one where the
'shooter' has been pushed to the brink of suicide but feels he must
settle the score first. It's very specific and has a definite
demographic. Please don't feel that I was talking about the type of
situation your grandmother was in. Llama
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "Gayle" |
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05 Oct 2005 01:43:44 PM |
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Ivan Marsh wrote:
I should heft a pint to Beulah tonight.
Put a little boost in that heft for me,
would you? RIP Beulah. Did you learn
that she was part of what was going on
while you watched on tv, Ivan? That's
how I found out that my cousin had just
been murdered. Surreal experience.
Gayle
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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05 Oct 2005 02:31:15 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:43:44 -0400, Gayle wrote:
Ivan Marsh wrote:
I should heft a pint to Beulah tonight.
Put a little boost in that heft for me, would you? RIP Beulah. Did you
learn that she was part of what was going on while you watched on tv,
Ivan? That's how I found out that my cousin had just been murdered.
Surreal experience.
The news never mentioned any names but I knew that's where she was.
Very surreal... reminds me of Laurie Anderson: "I'd rather be watching
this on T.V."
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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02 Oct 2005 01:59:13 AM |
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While I wouldn't particularly condone making up an excuse like this,
conjunctivitis ("pink eye") refers to an inflammation of the eye
caused by an infection, but not to any particular infection. It will
usually clear up on its own, but if it is caused by bacteria, a doctor
will normally prescribe antibiotic drops. (How can you tell? If it
gets "*****" and "crusty", you probably have the bacterial form.) If
it is caused by a virus, there isn't much you can do about it, but it
normally goes away in a few days without difficulty. I've had the
latter form a couple of times, and have learned not to bother seeing a
doctor for it.
What I'm getting at is that it's simply silly to require a doctor's
note saying it's safe for you to go back to work if your eye isn't
pink. Hopefully you can communicate this to your employer. (If your
employer insists, I suppose you could go to a doctor and ask him to
look at your eye and write a note saying that you show no signs of
having conjunctivitis now.)
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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"lily stargazer" <lillystarrgazzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128216685.040378.67050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I've been reading here for a while now. Thanks for all the laughs
and
the help to the questions you've answered that I didn't ask.
Here's the stupid thing I did and don't know how to get out of it.
The
truth is always an option, but...
My boss knows about my depression. She doesn't get it, but is
trying.
There are times when I need time off to just regenerate my batteries
so
I can keep going. She gives me a hard time about this. They are
trying to reduce sick time so we're always being questioned. In the
past I've told her the above. It gets me a comment to see the
employee
assistance thing, last time being "So I don't have to give you a
letter
about seeing someone?" I'm already seeing someone.
She is in a job that is above her knowledge base. I've been there
forever. She needs me and gets pissed if I'm not there the moment
she
has a question. There are others there that can help.
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had
pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my
place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note
to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if
that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the
pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance.
Lily
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02 Oct 2005 09:42:47 AM |
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My point with the ADA protection is not simply to fix this pink-eye
white-lie business, but to help give Lily (and others) protection from the
bosses who either don't, or won't, understand that depression is an illness.
The ADA has the potential of helping, as a percentage, more people with
mental illness than any other disability. The disabilities that are seen do
get accommodations made for them. We do not if we don't ask for it. I, for
one, am tired of the "You're not sick, it's all in your head" attitudes.
We've all had too much of that.
Jeff
"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dho0pr028tl@news3.newsguy.com...
While I wouldn't particularly condone making up an excuse like this,
conjunctivitis ("pink eye") refers to an inflammation of the eye
caused by an infection, but not to any particular infection. It will
usually clear up on its own, but if it is caused by bacteria, a doctor
will normally prescribe antibiotic drops. (How can you tell? If it
gets "*****" and "crusty", you probably have the bacterial form.) If
it is caused by a virus, there isn't much you can do about it, but it
normally goes away in a few days without difficulty. I've had the
latter form a couple of times, and have learned not to bother seeing a
doctor for it.
What I'm getting at is that it's simply silly to require a doctor's
note saying it's safe for you to go back to work if your eye isn't
pink. Hopefully you can communicate this to your employer. (If your
employer insists, I suppose you could go to a doctor and ask him to
look at your eye and write a note saying that you show no signs of
having conjunctivitis now.)
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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"lily stargazer" <lillystarrgazzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128216685.040378.67050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I've been reading here for a while now. Thanks for all the laughs
and
the help to the questions you've answered that I didn't ask.
Here's the stupid thing I did and don't know how to get out of it.
The
truth is always an option, but...
My boss knows about my depression. She doesn't get it, but is
trying.
There are times when I need time off to just regenerate my batteries
so
I can keep going. She gives me a hard time about this. They are
trying to reduce sick time so we're always being questioned. In the
past I've told her the above. It gets me a comment to see the
employee
assistance thing, last time being "So I don't have to give you a
letter
about seeing someone?" I'm already seeing someone.
She is in a job that is above her knowledge base. I've been there
forever. She needs me and gets pissed if I'm not there the moment
she
has a question. There are others there that can help.
So the stupid thing I did on Friday was call in and tell her I had
pink
eye. I figured that would be a legit excuse. Other people at my
place
have had it in the past. Well, this time she wants a doctor's note
to
say it's okay for me to go back to work. I don't have one and can't
get one.
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if
that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the
pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance.
Lily
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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02 Oct 2005 02:54:49 PM |
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"imapapallama" <thedeuceguy@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:HlS%e.8150$6e1.7646@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
My point with the ADA protection is not simply to fix this pink-eye
white-lie business, but to help give Lily (and others) protection
from the
bosses who either don't, or won't, understand that depression is an
illness.
The ADA has the potential of helping, as a percentage, more people
with
mental illness than any other disability. The disabilities that are
seen do
get accommodations made for them. We do not if we don't ask for it.
I, for
one, am tired of the "You're not sick, it's all in your head"
attitudes.
We've all had too much of that.
Jeff
Oh, I agree with you. I was just focusing on getting her out of her
pink-eye fix. You've done a good job with the larger issue.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Inamorata lickmadoodlewop" |
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01 Oct 2005 08:45:40 PM |
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lily stargazer wrote:
So on Monday, I can tell her that I lied and why. I don't know if that
will put my job in jeopardy. Or I can find a way to continue the pink
eye thing.
Any advise?
Thanks in advance.
Lily
You went to a Pharmacy and the Pharmacist gave you
chloromycetin or bleph-10 (dont know what brands you guys
have over there). Cleared it up and you had no need
to go to the Dr.
As it is contagious, so she better stand back! :p
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Inamorata
-Those that mind dont matter.
The ones that matter dont mind.
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