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Sociology > Depression |
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"Janithor" |
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04 Feb 2007 03:53:51 AM |
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Racism = evil |
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
04 Feb 2007 11:24:46 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45C5AC8F.5010100@comcast.net...
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist.
i think you're right about that. trouble is, there are more of them all the
time. i was watching the 1990 remake of "night of the living dead" recently.
you know, where zillions of "kooks" climb out of their graves and lurch
around looking for live people to eat? i found myself thinking, "my god,
this is a documentary." (although it's possible that i've just been around
usenet too long.)
i guess what i'm trying to say is that "evil" is such a strong, harsh word.
i wonder if we couldn't just say
racism = dead with an active brain stem
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
04 Feb 2007 12:02:56 PM |
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"cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote in message
news:eq54sv$34v$1@news.datemas.de...
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45C5AC8F.5010100@comcast.net...
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that
only
kooks were still racist.
i think you're right about that. trouble is, there are more of them
all the
time. i was watching the 1990 remake of "night of the living dead"
recently.
you know, where zillions of "kooks" climb out of their graves and
lurch
around looking for live people to eat? i found myself thinking, "my
god,
this is a documentary." (although it's possible that i've just been
around
usenet too long.)
i guess what i'm trying to say is that "evil" is such a strong, harsh
word.
i wonder if we couldn't just say
racism = dead with an active brain stem
everyone is racist at some level
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 04:35:42 AM |
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On Feb 4, 10:53 pm, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
I think you are giving in way too much to symbolism. It can be as
powerul as religion and should be respected. I teach a little on the
subject and we are talking powerfull voodoo. The answer lies in what
you are going to do with this observation.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 01:02:28 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
GlennT wrote:
On Feb 4, 10:53 pm, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
I think you are giving in way too much to symbolism. It can be as
powerul as religion and should be respected. I teach a little on the
subject and we are talking powerfull voodoo. The answer lies in what
you are going to do with this observation.
I'm going to withdraw from society as much as possible. Too many shitty
assholes out there. You can't shoot them, so the next best thing is to
avoid them.
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 11:23:34 PM |
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then Janithor wrote, On 2/5/2007 12:02 PM:
x-no-archive: yes
GlennT wrote:
On Feb 4, 10:53 pm, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
I think you are giving in way too much to symbolism. It can be as
powerul as religion and should be respected. I teach a little on the
subject and we are talking powerfull voodoo. The answer lies in what
you are going to do with this observation.
I'm going to withdraw from society as much as possible. Too many shitty
assholes out there. You can't shoot them, so the next best thing is to
avoid them.
That will only make you bitter. The rest of the world will still go on.
There will still be assholes but there will also be nice folks and
unless you interact with others you'll never know the difference. I'm
not AT ALL the textbook example of outgoing individual. I try to work on
maintaining a balance. I know that my druthers would be to withdraw
because interaction is tiring, often unrewarding and saps my strength.
I'm not outgoing, but I *know* it's what I need to try for
I think it probably suits me fairly well that I'm a large guy who
doesn't exude an aura of "hey, shucks, I like ya!" So I don't get messed
with by the twits of the world. I do however make sure to return respect
and I do what I can to interact positively with the individuals who live
at a level that I would find to be uncomfortably positive.
I just try to make sure that the dude abides.
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| User: "Jesters mummy" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
06 Feb 2007 06:41:33 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:23:34 -0700, Franz Bestuchev <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com>
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<(((*>I just try to make sure that the dude abides.
The Big Lebowski?
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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06 Feb 2007 06:11:50 PM |
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then Jester's mummy wrote, On 2/6/2007 5:41 AM:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:23:34 -0700, Franz Bestuchev <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com>
wrote:
<(((*>I just try to make sure that the dude abides.
The Big Lebowski?
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Exactly.
Go watch this movie Janithor.
The dude is the man for his time and place.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
06 Feb 2007 04:10:13 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
That will only make you bitter. The rest of the world will still go on.
There will still be assholes but there will also be nice folks and
unless you interact with others you'll never know the difference. I'm
not AT ALL the textbook example of outgoing individual. I try to work on
maintaining a balance. I know that my druthers would be to withdraw
because interaction is tiring, often unrewarding and saps my strength.
I'm not outgoing, but I *know* it's what I need to try for
I don't mean complete isolation, I know that's not good. I also know
there are decent people out there. It just gets tiring dealing with
this ***** sometimes. Every time I leave my house, I feel like I'm
stepping into a war zone. I'm always waiting for the next shell to drop.
I've been alone most of my life, I mean, it's why I'm a janitor. I
overtly sought out this work, I wanted something where I could work alone.
I think it probably suits me fairly well that I'm a large guy who
doesn't exude an aura of "hey, shucks, I like ya!" So I don't get messed
with by the twits of the world. I do however make sure to return respect
and I do what I can to interact positively with the individuals who live
at a level that I would find to be uncomfortably positive.
I just try to make sure that the dude abides.
This part went over my head, I'm not sure I understand what you're
trying to say. I don't want to live in a world where I have to walk
around like I'm a bad ***** so people don't ***** with me. I'm a 40 yr old
balding white guy, I was kinda hoping I would be past that point by now.
People say I look young, maybe that's part of it. The place where I
get my haircut, they were shocked when I told them I'm 40, they thought
I was in my late 20's/early 30's. I mean, after that Costco event, I go
into Costco and look at all the normal people walking around doing their
thing. Do they have monkeys scream at them too? Or do the monkeys see
an easy target and ***** with me specifically? It would just be nice to
be able to go to the store without wondering if I should be carrying a
gun, or if a car full of 20-somethings is going to slow down, honk at me
and starting hooting and waving and laughing. It gets a bit tiring, I
was hoping they'd stop when I hit middle age.
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| User: "jordy" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 03:38:45 PM |
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On Feb 4, 4:53 am, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
It definatly exists, not just racism, but prejudice of all
kinds... I admire people who speak up when they experiance prejudice
personally... maybe sometimes it's better to remain silent, but I
sometimes wish I spoke up during previous incidents...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 04:18:09 PM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170711524.992831.120020@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 4, 4:53 am, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
It definatly exists, not just racism, but prejudice of all
kinds... I admire people who speak up when they experiance prejudice
personally... maybe sometimes it's better to remain silent, but I
sometimes wish I spoke up during previous incidents...
i experience prejudice personally whenever i see it expressed generally,
against anyone or any group. because i live and work in one of the most
diverse communities in the world, there's not much expressed around here.
it's one reason why i stay. but if i spoke up every time i came across
bigotry and racism on the internet, i'd never get a moment's rest. and it
would all be for nothing, less than a finger in the *****. ten years ago this
medium put a microphone in everybody's hand, and it amazed me how much of
this bilge came pouring out. how much it was of what mr. and ms. humanity
had to say to the world: their fear and hatred of others, their rage. i
understood vividly what it was that hitler and mussolini tapped into, what
all the fascist movements of britain, europe and north america tapped into
between the wars, and i've been more anxious about the future since then.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 06:08:55 PM |
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On 5 Feb 2007 13:38:45 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 4, 4:53 am, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
It definatly exists, not just racism, but prejudice of all
kinds... I admire people who speak up when they experiance prejudice
personally... maybe sometimes it's better to remain silent, but I
sometimes wish I spoke up during previous incidents...
I always speak up when you show your prejudice against conservatives. :)
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| User: "jordy" |
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06 Feb 2007 09:26:28 AM |
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On Feb 5, 7:08 pm, CyberDroog <CyberDr...@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On 5 Feb 2007 13:38:45 -0800, "jordy" <I...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 4, 4:53 am, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
It definatly exists, not just racism, but prejudice of all
kinds... I admire people who speak up when they experiance prejudice
personally... maybe sometimes it's better to remain silent, but I
sometimes wish I spoke up during previous incidents...
I always speak up when you show your prejudice against conservatives. :)-
that's good! I'm happy to hear that... seriously, one thing that
I'm very grateful for is that while I have extremly liberal views, I
can get along well with you, Thor, Used2be etc... Connie and me got
along well too, which I was happy about.... and I really think that in
some areas, we do agree, paticularly when it comes to most libertarian
social views...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Feb 2007 06:24:56 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:53:51 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
I don't think that is real racism. I think it stems from what the younger
generations heard from their parents growing up. They mouth the same
sentiments either in anger or just to push someone's buttons. I don't think
most of them are really racist.
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| User: "Justin ." |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 04:29:05 AM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:97ucs21lkcug9v3fefrdq6lk2d61jcb86e@news.easynews.com...
| On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:53:51 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
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| >I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
| >kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
| >Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
| >non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
| >people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
| >you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
| >public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
| >there, yup, it's still there.
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| I don't think that is real racism. I think it stems from what the younger
| generations heard from their parents growing up. They mouth the same
| sentiments either in anger or just to push someone's buttons. I don't
think
| most of them are really racist.
or even understand it for that matter.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 12:17:50 PM |
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In message <97ucs21lkcug9v3fefrdq6lk2d61jcb86e@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:53:51 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's
there, yup, it's still there.
I don't think that is real racism. I think it stems from what the younger
generations heard from their parents growing up. They mouth the same
sentiments either in anger or just to push someone's buttons. I don't think
most of them are really racist.
What do you consider to be racist?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: Racism = evil |
05 Feb 2007 12:30:14 PM |
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Wfbu0JEOT3xFFw1A@harding.demon.co.uk...
In message <97ucs21lkcug9v3fefrdq6lk2d61jcb86e@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:53:51 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net>
wrote:
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that
only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like
Paris Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming
from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These
are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car,
and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in
public. They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But
it's
there, yup, it's still there.
I don't think that is real racism. I think it stems from what the
younger
generations heard from their parents growing up. They mouth the same
sentiments either in anger or just to push someone's buttons. I don't
think
most of them are really racist.
What do you consider to be racist?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
someone who stalks all your posts and takes pot shots at what you say
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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05 Feb 2007 02:28:25 PM |
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:17:50 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <97ucs21lkcug9v3fefrdq6lk2d61jcb86e@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
I don't think that is real racism. I think it stems from what the younger
generations heard from their parents growing up. They mouth the same
sentiments either in anger or just to push someone's buttons. I don't think
most of them are really racist.
What do you consider to be racist?
An actual belief that one race is better than another, and a pattern of
behavior - not just angry, button-pushing words now and then - to back it
up.
Not hiring, or even being friends with, a person because their skin is a
different color is racism. Mouthing a racist epithet because a person of
color cut you off in traffic isn't necessarily racism.
Racist dialog is in everyone's head because of what they heard from older
generations, television, and the movies. But I don't think the vast
majority of the younger generations actually believe any of it.
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| User: "David" |
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04 Feb 2007 04:47:07 AM |
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Sorry to hear your having a rough time there. I can sometimes have random
thoughts go through my mind that don't seem to make any sense. Maybe you
should mention this to a psychiatrist. How is your situation there? Has it
improved any? I know you're thinking of moving, it may help some, but you
may still experience some difficulties until things start to even out some.
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45C5AC8F.5010100@comcast.net...
x-no-archive: yes
I used to think that racism was archaic, for the most part, that only
kooks were still racist. Now I read about comments from people like Paris
Hilton, and it makes me ill. I've heard vile comments coming from
non-celebraties too, "normal" people in frats and sororities. These are
people you stand next to while grocery shopping or driving your car, and
you'd never know it because they don't vocalize their thoughts in public.
They are happy shiny pretty people and they skate. But it's there, yup,
it's still there.
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