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"Tim Kett" |
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10 Nov 2005 05:09:54 PM |
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Re: just one damn minnute |
Jimmy Largent wrote:
It seems anytime I buy something or go anywhere I am confronted with
Spanish. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with immigration , this is=
a
nation of them. What I do have a problem with is the fact that Latinos se=
em
to think that they should live in a bi-lingual nation. What made America
great is that we share similarities, like language. It should also be not=
ed
that throughout history when a peoples were conquered they were required =
to
learn the language of their conquers.In the past the Germans, Poles, Fren=
ch,
Italians, Greeks, and a lot more from eastern Europeans well as Asians,and
middle eastern peoples have wanted to say " I go Amerika" and when they =
got
here they wanted to learn English to be part of the greatest nation in
history. Don't let this nation be segmented any more , fight to keep span=
ish
from being a tongue that is required . Thank you for letting me ramble a =
bit
=BFUsted habla espa=F1ol?
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
14 Nov 2005 02:50:41 AM |
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From: "Tim Kett" <tim6kettring@e-garfield.com> replied thusly to
Jimmy Largent wrote:
It seems anytime I buy something or go anywhere I am confronted with
Spanish.
I went to Google late one night and the main site was
in Spanish. I am not making this up. Changing languages
without notice would wreak havoc with certain scripts.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with immigration , this is=
nation of them. What I do have a problem with is the fact that Latinos se=
to think that they should live in a bi-lingual nation.
I dunno, most Latinos I know don't seem to think that.
But in principle you are right: Bi-lingualism is
an asset for individuals and a great liability for a nation.
Tim: Usted habla espanoll?
Wish I did.
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but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
14 Nov 2005 03:17:52 AM |
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Contrarian wrote:
From: "Tim Kett" <tim6kettring@e-garfield.com> replied thusly to
Jimmy Largent wrote:
It seems anytime I buy something or go anywhere I am confronted with
Spanish.
I went to Google late one night and the main site was
in Spanish. I am not making this up. Changing languages
without notice would wreak havoc with certain scripts.
It's beta...perpetuallly
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 02:12:54 PM |
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Tim Kett wrote:
Jimmy Largent wrote:
It seems anytime I buy something or go anywhere I am confronted with
Spanish. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with immigration , this is a
nation of them. What I do have a problem with is the fact that Latinos seem
to think that they should live in a bi-lingual nation. What made America
great is that we share similarities, like language. It should also be noted
that throughout history when a peoples were conquered they were required to
learn the language of their conquers.In the past the Germans, Poles, French,
Italians, Greeks, and a lot more from eastern Europeans well as Asians,and
middle eastern peoples have wanted to say " I go Amerika" and when they got
here they wanted to learn English to be part of the greatest nation in
history. Don't let this nation be segmented any more , fight to keep spanish
from being a tongue that is required . Thank you for letting me ramble a bit
¿Usted habla español?
Jimmy, next time you go to a Mexican restaurant just tell them you would
like the "enchiladas maricon" they'll stop screwing with you in Spanish
after that.
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 02:53:17 PM |
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Franz Bestuchev wrote:
Jimmy, next time you go to a Mexican restaurant just tell them you would
like the "enchiladas maricon" they'll stop screwing with you in Spanish
after that.
Better ask them if they'd like to play "Teto".
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 04:09:43 PM |
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neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
Jimmy, next time you go to a Mexican restaurant just tell them you would
like the "enchiladas maricon" they'll stop screwing with you in Spanish
after that.
Better ask them if they'd like to play "Teto".
See neo, we just proved how easy it is to live in harmony with s.
american immigrants.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
12 Nov 2005 02:37:41 AM |
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In message <3tkj4rFsekroU7@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
neoholistic wrote:
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
Jimmy, next time you go to a Mexican restaurant just tell them you
would
like the "enchiladas maricon" they'll stop screwing with you in Spanish
after that.
Better ask them if they'd like to play "Teto".
See neo, we just proved how easy it is to live in harmony with s.
american immigrants.
You're okay with Mexicans and Puerto Ricans?
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
12 Nov 2005 08:18:25 AM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <3tkj4rFsekroU7@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
neoholistic wrote:
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
Jimmy, next time you go to a Mexican restaurant just tell them you
would
like the "enchiladas maricon" they'll stop screwing with you in Spanish
after that.
Better ask them if they'd like to play "Teto".
See neo, we just proved how easy it is to live in harmony with s.
american immigrants.
You're okay with Mexicans and Puerto Ricans?
I'm OK, they're OK
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 04:59:10 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
Jimmy, next time you go to a Mexican restaurant just tell them you would
like the "enchiladas maricon" they'll stop screwing with you in Spanish
after that.
Better ask them if they'd like to play "Teto".
See neo, we just proved how easy it is to live in harmony with s.
american immigrants.
<Devilish grin>
I'd like one of these extremists (one of the "Alarm! Alarm! They're
overriding us! Let's forbid all foreign languages!" type, like our
friend
Jimmy) to actually ask a Spanish-speaking immigrant to play "Teto".
Being a meaningless word, he or she will reply "what's teto?" - that's
the catch:
You: "=BFJugamos al teto?" ("Shall we play teto?")
He: "=BFQu=E9 es el teto?" ("What's teto?")
You: "Que t=FA te agachas y yo te la meto" ("It's you lean over and I'll
stick it in").
Yeah, it's silly, it's childish, and it's also a rhyme, but for some
reason
it's surprisingly effective at getting people pissed up. Our friend
Jimmy
should try to "play teto" at a Mexican restaurant and have a furious
Mexican cook run after him armed with a big knife :o)~
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 08:16:32 PM |
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neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
Jimmy, next time you go to a Mexican restaurant just tell them you would
like the "enchiladas maricon" they'll stop screwing with you in Spanish
after that.
Better ask them if they'd like to play "Teto".
See neo, we just proved how easy it is to live in harmony with s.
american immigrants.
<Devilish grin>
I'd like one of these extremists (one of the "Alarm! Alarm! They're
overriding us! Let's forbid all foreign languages!" type, like our
friend
Jimmy) to actually ask a Spanish-speaking immigrant to play "Teto".
Being a meaningless word, he or she will reply "what's teto?" - that's
the catch:
You: "¿Jugamos al teto?" ("Shall we play teto?")
He: "¿Qué es el teto?" ("What's teto?")
You: "Que tú te agachas y yo te la meto" ("It's you lean over and I'll
stick it in").
Yeah, it's silly, it's childish, and it's also a rhyme, but for some
reason
it's surprisingly effective at getting people pissed up. Our friend
Jimmy
should try to "play teto" at a Mexican restaurant and have a furious
Mexican cook run after him armed with a big knife :o)~
I would just like to take all these anti-immigrant, pissed because
"they" don't speak english...people into a time machine. Show them all
the wonderful racism that was given to the new-comer of that time. It
once really sucked to be Irish, now it's parade, wear green and get
drunk day.
All the kids speak english, in fact they often act as translators. So
generation #2 blends in really well. It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 08:27:55 PM |
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Franz Bestuchev wrote:
I would just like to take all these anti-immigrant, pissed because
"they" don't speak english...people into a time machine. Show them all
the wonderful racism that was given to the new-comer of that time. It
once really sucked to be Irish, now it's parade, wear green and get
drunk day.
I've read about that. The Irish were a totally different (and of course
inferior)
'race' by then - to the likes of Huttington of the period, that is.
All the kids speak english, in fact they often act as translators. So
generation #2 blends in really well. It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Definitely, esp for the adults/older people. Can you imagine being poor
and lost in (say) Beijing, without having even the slightest smattering
of
Chinese? Probably not a nice experience.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
13 Nov 2005 10:40:26 AM |
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"neoholistic" <neoholistic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131762475.409742.39190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
I would just like to take all these anti-immigrant, pissed because
"they" don't speak english...people into a time machine. Show them all
the wonderful racism that was given to the new-comer of that time. It
once really sucked to be Irish, now it's parade, wear green and get
drunk day.
I've read about that. The Irish were a totally different (and of course
inferior)
'race' by then - to the likes of Huttington of the period, that is.
All the kids speak english, in fact they often act as translators. So
generation #2 blends in really well. It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Definitely, esp for the adults/older people. Can you imagine being poor
and lost in (say) Beijing, without having even the slightest smattering
of
Chinese? Probably not a nice experience.
That would be a nightmare.
--
Rhi
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 08:43:29 PM |
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neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
I would just like to take all these anti-immigrant, pissed because
"they" don't speak english...people into a time machine. Show them all
the wonderful racism that was given to the new-comer of that time. It
once really sucked to be Irish, now it's parade, wear green and get
drunk day.
I've read about that. The Irish were a totally different (and of course
inferior)
'race' by then - to the likes of Huttington of the period, that is.
Yea, pretty much any round of immigration where there can be a finger
pointed at "those kind of people."
All the kids speak english, in fact they often act as translators. So
generation #2 blends in really well. It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Definitely, esp for the adults/older people. Can you imagine being poor
and lost in (say) Beijing, without having even the slightest smattering
of
Chinese? Probably not a nice experience.
Yea, totally lost. Especially isolating if I was among the first group
so there wouldn't even be something like a barrio to return to and be
among fellow immigrants.
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
11 Nov 2005 08:35:07 PM |
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Franz Bestuchev wrote:
It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Just remembered - I had a conversation once with a Polish
lady in England. She'd been living there for many years,
but had still a fairly strong accent. She had immigrated
there as an adult, with zero English. She explained to me
how, in the beginning, she had felt as though she was deaf
and dumb - no way to communicate other than body
language/signalling.
He daughter OTOH had grown there. Culturally, she was
of course 100% British.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
12 Nov 2005 02:51:23 AM |
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In message <1131762907.191376.324180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
neoholistic <neoholistic@hotmail.com> writes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Just remembered - I had a conversation once with a Polish
lady in England. She'd been living there for many years,
but had still a fairly strong accent. She had immigrated
there as an adult, with zero English. She explained to me
how, in the beginning, she had felt as though she was deaf
and dumb - no way to communicate other than body
language/signalling.
We have a lot of Muslim Asians who came over in the first wave. The
women often do not learn English. They stay in their houses most of the
time, and when they shop, they go to Asian stores and speak their own
language(s). Their children speak English with the local accent and
dialect, and translate for them. The men usually speak some English,
though not all of them do. Hospitals nearby have to have translators on
call. (The council here puts out its leaflets in fifteen languages.)
It's really sad, as Sikh and Hindu women don't seem to be anything like
as isolated (or concentrated in such numbers). Maybe that's part of the
'problem' - if you live in an area where almost everyone speaks your
home language, why bother to learn the national language?
He daughter OTOH had grown there. Culturally, she was
of course 100% British.
I don't really think anyone from a different culture, even second
generation, totally loses contact with their 'own'. They'd be losing
something valuable if they did. Among a lot of the Asians here, the
second generation got close to it, but the third generation is reacting
against the loss, and going back to their roots, while being British.
There are a lot of different Britishes. We'll see soon what the fourth
generation is like - they're being born now.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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11 Nov 2005 08:45:24 PM |
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neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Just remembered - I had a conversation once with a Polish
lady in England. She'd been living there for many years,
but had still a fairly strong accent. She had immigrated
there as an adult, with zero English. She explained to me
how, in the beginning, she had felt as though she was deaf
and dumb - no way to communicate other than body
language/signalling.
He daughter OTOH had grown there. Culturally, she was
of course 100% British.
I worked with a woman from the Czech republic (of course it was
Czechoslovakia then...yada yada) and she commented one day "this fucking
accent will never go but my children - totally normal."
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
13 Nov 2005 10:42:08 AM |
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3tl39oFt5hp5U11@individual.net...
neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Just remembered - I had a conversation once with a Polish
lady in England. She'd been living there for many years,
but had still a fairly strong accent. She had immigrated
there as an adult, with zero English. She explained to me
how, in the beginning, she had felt as though she was deaf
and dumb - no way to communicate other than body
language/signalling.
He daughter OTOH had grown there. Culturally, she was
of course 100% British.
I worked with a woman from the Czech republic (of course it was
Czechoslovakia then...yada yada) and she commented one day "this fucking
accent will never go but my children - totally normal."
That's kinda sad. :(
--
Rhi
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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13 Nov 2005 03:55:36 PM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3tl39oFt5hp5U11@individual.net...
neoholistic wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Just remembered - I had a conversation once with a Polish
lady in England. She'd been living there for many years,
but had still a fairly strong accent. She had immigrated
there as an adult, with zero English. She explained to me
how, in the beginning, she had felt as though she was deaf
and dumb - no way to communicate other than body
language/signalling.
He daughter OTOH had grown there. Culturally, she was
of course 100% British.
I worked with a woman from the Czech republic (of course it was
Czechoslovakia then...yada yada) and she commented one day "this fucking
accent will never go but my children - totally normal."
That's kinda sad. :(
--
Rhi
I think it was because her job dealt with being on the phone alot so
voice was obviously the impression they would get of her.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: just one damn minnute |
12 Nov 2005 02:56:46 AM |
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In message <3tl39oFt5hp5U11@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
neoholistic wrote:
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
It's a ***** to learn a new
language and takes a lot of huevos to switch countries.
Just remembered - I had a conversation once with a Polish
lady in England. She'd been living there for many years,
but had still a fairly strong accent. She had immigrated
there as an adult, with zero English. She explained to me
how, in the beginning, she had felt as though she was deaf
and dumb - no way to communicate other than body
language/signalling.
He daughter OTOH had grown there. Culturally, she was
of course 100% British.
I worked with a woman from the Czech republic (of course it was
Czechoslovakia then...yada yada) and she commented one day "this
fucking accent will never go but my children - totally normal."
I worked with a born and bred Polish woman, and if you didn't know,
you'd have sworn she was English.
Some people pick up the accent without trying. Peter Ustinov was a prime
example. He was filming in North Africa, as an 'Arab', and had to speak
what sounded like the local tongue. He got the sound so well he caused a
strike among the local extras by calling them tortoise dung.
(Apparently, it was the size of the animal that mattered - camel dung
wouldn't have been as much of a problem. :)
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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