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"Tim J." |
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17 Jul 2003 04:41:35 AM |
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Re: Valium for me today |
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:17:16 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@yifan.net> wrote:
I had a rough day yesterday and I am in a bit of turmoil inside. Valium
helps me get relaxed. The drawback is that I get sleepy. But what the heck,
I sleep, why not?
Wish it worked as well for me. I took 30mg over 5 hours ago, and I'm
still wide awake.
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| User: "Tim J." |
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| Title: Re: Valium for me today |
17 Jul 2003 11:32:58 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:13:09 +1000, "Velvet"
<s4041966@student.uq.edu.au> wrote:
"Tim J." <tj66821@usa.not> wrote in message
news:5prchvc9ba91jf386e1p1b8sjkpjk6pcr2@4ax.com...
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:17:16 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@yifan.net> wrote:
I had a rough day yesterday and I am in a bit of turmoil inside. Valium
helps me get relaxed. The drawback is that I get sleepy. But what the
heck,
I sleep, why not?
Wish it worked as well for me. I took 30mg over 5 hours ago, and I'm
still wide awake.
Valium isn't a sleeping pill, its a muscle relaxant. Maybe you should ask
your doc for tamazepam or something like that if its sleep you are having
problems with. Of course, you could try the big "no-no" and have a little
(and I mean it, little) glass of wine or some light grog. Those two tend to
react, making you sleepy. Also, check on the net for the valium half-life -
I am a little suspicious that after 5 hours the effect would be wearing off
anyway. I start coming off it after 3-4 hours.
I've been on everything else, valium was the only thing that was
working for me this time. If I stay on it for a while, it stops
working, so I guess I'll have to take another med holiday for a while.
And as for alcohol, my stomach couldn't tolerate it. I'd be up
doubled over in pain.
Hope you sleep well tonight anyway. ((((((hugs)))))))
Thanks, but I doubt it. Chronic insomnia has been a problem for me
for over 12 years. And when I do get to sleep, I rarely get (per
sleep studies) any stage 3, 4, or REM sleep. 90-95% of it is stage 2
only.
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| User: "Velvet" |
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| Title: Re: Valium for me today |
18 Jul 2003 04:33:46 AM |
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I had a rough day yesterday and I am in a bit of turmoil inside.
Valium
helps me get relaxed. The drawback is that I get sleepy. But what the
heck,
I sleep, why not?
Wish it worked as well for me. I took 30mg over 5 hours ago, and I'm
still wide awake.
Valium isn't a sleeping pill, its a muscle relaxant. Maybe you should ask
your doc for tamazepam or something like that if its sleep you are having
problems with. Of course, you could try the big "no-no" and have a little
(and I mean it, little) glass of wine or some light grog. Those two tend
to
react, making you sleepy. Also, check on the net for the valium
half-life -
I am a little suspicious that after 5 hours the effect would be wearing
off
anyway. I start coming off it after 3-4 hours.
I've been on everything else, valium was the only thing that was
working for me this time. If I stay on it for a while, it stops
working, so I guess I'll have to take another med holiday for a while.
And as for alcohol, my stomach couldn't tolerate it. I'd be up
doubled over in pain.
Bummer... a "med holiday" is a good way of putting it. still, I prefer
tamazepam as a sleeping pill - doesn't even give me hangovers. Valerian
pills/ drops are quite good too.
Hope you sleep well tonight anyway. ((((((hugs)))))))
Thanks, but I doubt it. Chronic insomnia has been a problem for me
for over 12 years. And when I do get to sleep, I rarely get (per
sleep studies) any stage 3, 4, or REM sleep. 90-95% of it is stage 2
only.
Thats terrible! I really feel for you - when I am having a tough time, I
turn into an insomniac, and its really unpleasant. Do you know why you
suffer from it?
{{{{{{{Tim}}}}}}
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| User: "Tim J." |
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| Title: Re: Valium for me today |
18 Jul 2003 11:44:36 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:33:46 +1000, "Velvet"
<s4041966@student.uq.edu.au> wrote:
Thanks, but I doubt it. Chronic insomnia has been a problem for me
for over 12 years. And when I do get to sleep, I rarely get (per
sleep studies) any stage 3, 4, or REM sleep. 90-95% of it is stage 2
only.
Thats terrible! I really feel for you - when I am having a tough time, I
turn into an insomniac, and its really unpleasant. Do you know why you
suffer from it?
I don't know why it continues, but it started the night of the death
of my wife.
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| User: "Velvet" |
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| Title: Re: Valium for me today |
18 Jul 2003 09:44:30 PM |
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Thanks, but I doubt it. Chronic insomnia has been a problem for me
for over 12 years. And when I do get to sleep, I rarely get (per
sleep studies) any stage 3, 4, or REM sleep. 90-95% of it is stage 2
only.
Thats terrible! I really feel for you - when I am having a tough time, I
turn into an insomniac, and its really unpleasant. Do you know why you
suffer from it?
I don't know why it continues, but it started the night of the death
of my wife.
(((((((((((((Tim)))))))))) I am so sorry....
Maybe you have the extreme version of the "cold bed syndrome"...
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| User: "Velvet" |
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| Title: Re: Valium for me today |
18 Jul 2003 10:29:44 PM |
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snip
Maybe you have the extreme version of the "cold bed syndrome"...
Cold bed syndrome? That's a new one on me. Can you elaborate?
Something my friends and I came up with after I broke up with my beloved
partner of 4 years - I couldn't go to sleep alone, the bed was so big and
cold and empty. Once I described it like that to the friends, they knew
exactly what it was I was talking about. Ended up sleeping in friends' beds
for a couple of weeks - btw, strictly "sleeping". :)
I don't really have the same sleep problems I used to have. For about
6 or 7 years after her death, I couldn't sleep at night at all. I
mean, I could not fall asleep until the sun was up. And several
times, I went as long as 4 days and nights without a minute of sleep.
You start seeing and hearing things that aren't there after the second
night. I think the fact that the car accident occurred in the middle
of the night might have had something to do with it. The night of the
accident, I went to bed rather early, but awoke at 2:03AM (I remember
looking at the clock), and couldn't go back to sleep. I wasn't
notified of the accident until 5:15AM, and didn't eat or sleep for 100
hours straight after that. When I got the accident report a few weeks
later, yep, you guessed it, the accident occurred at 2:03AM.
Wow... I am so sorry about you loss. It must have been unbelievably terrible
for you. I can't even begin to understand you pain....
((((((((((Tim)))))))))
I can understand all too well that sort of connection - when my (current)
partner goes home for a few nights and is upset, I know it. Often have to
take sleeping pills to go to sleep - we feed off each others' feelings, even
across the city! If something happened to him, I'd know it.
Now, I can get to sleep, although it might be 4 or 5 AM. My biggest
problem now is (as confirmed by 2 recent sleep studies) is the
inability to get any deep sleep, as I related before. Just about all
of it is stage 2, which leaves me feeling exhausted all day long.
I can relate to that - especially after the alst 3 months. I couldn't get
any deep sleep, was constantly alert to something happening, even in my
dreams. And of course, that made the depression worse.. I hope i have
snapped out of that vicious cycle now, after a few Valium nights. For some
reason, it relaxes me enough to be able to sleep. I am going to beg my doc
next week for a prescription.
This either is caused by my depression, or contributes to it, or both,
and all of that worsens my GI problems. I also have IBS and GERD.
What do those stand for ... sorry, I don't know.
The doctors keep playing round robin with me. No medications they put
me on for any of my problems seem to do any good, except for rocketing
me to the poor house. The GI doc will say "Let's see if your sleep
doctor can get your sleep problem under control, then we'll see if
your GI problems improve." Then the sleep doctor says, "Let's get
that depression and GI stuff under control, and maybe we can do
something about your sleep." Then my psychiatrist and therapist say
"We may not be able to get your depression under control until the
sleep and GI problems are resolved."
I think you see my frustration.
I think I can. It sounds a bit like dealing with government depatments -
makes me feel like a little football. "No, I can't help you, but I'll put
you through to someone who can... ah, but that person doesn't have the
authority, so I am back to the original person etc etc etc" .
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| User: "Tim J." |
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| Title: Re: Valium for me today |
19 Jul 2003 08:18:56 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:29:44 +1000, "Velvet"
<s4041966@student.uq.edu.au> wrote:
snip
Maybe you have the extreme version of the "cold bed syndrome"...
Cold bed syndrome? That's a new one on me. Can you elaborate?
Something my friends and I came up with after I broke up with my beloved
partner of 4 years - I couldn't go to sleep alone, the bed was so big and
cold and empty. Once I described it like that to the friends, they knew
exactly what it was I was talking about. Ended up sleeping in friends' beds
for a couple of weeks - btw, strictly "sleeping". :)
I guess it could be that, but I have the same problem no matter where
I sleep. And I have been involved in a few relationships since where
we didn't just "sleep", and the insomnia continued anyways. I feel
like I am over my wife's death, so the depression may result from
traumatic events before we met and married. I look back now and
believe I had major depressive disorder back as long ago as my early
teens.
I don't really have the same sleep problems I used to have. For about
6 or 7 years after her death, I couldn't sleep at night at all. I
mean, I could not fall asleep until the sun was up. And several
times, I went as long as 4 days and nights without a minute of sleep.
You start seeing and hearing things that aren't there after the second
night. I think the fact that the car accident occurred in the middle
of the night might have had something to do with it. The night of the
accident, I went to bed rather early, but awoke at 2:03AM (I remember
looking at the clock), and couldn't go back to sleep. I wasn't
notified of the accident until 5:15AM, and didn't eat or sleep for 100
hours straight after that. When I got the accident report a few weeks
later, yep, you guessed it, the accident occurred at 2:03AM.
Wow... I am so sorry about you loss. It must have been unbelievably terrible
for you. I can't even begin to understand you pain....
((((((((((Tim)))))))))
I can understand all too well that sort of connection - when my (current)
partner goes home for a few nights and is upset, I know it. Often have to
take sleeping pills to go to sleep - we feed off each others' feelings, even
across the city! If something happened to him, I'd know it.
Thanks. But like I said, I feel over it in many ways, although
talking about it sometimes gets to me. But, sometimes I can even joke
about it in a way. It's not continually on my mind, no one thinks I
obsess over it, and if not for the physical problems, my mind might
just feel better.
Now, I can get to sleep, although it might be 4 or 5 AM. My biggest
problem now is (as confirmed by 2 recent sleep studies) is the
inability to get any deep sleep, as I related before. Just about all
of it is stage 2, which leaves me feeling exhausted all day long.
I can relate to that - especially after the alst 3 months. I couldn't get
any deep sleep, was constantly alert to something happening, even in my
dreams. And of course, that made the depression worse.. I hope i have
snapped out of that vicious cycle now, after a few Valium nights. For some
reason, it relaxes me enough to be able to sleep. I am going to beg my doc
next week for a prescription.
This either is caused by my depression, or contributes to it, or both,
and all of that worsens my GI problems. I also have IBS and GERD.
What do those stand for ... sorry, I don't know.
IBS - Irritable Bowel Syndrome - IOW, I have bouts of diarrhea that
can last for days or even weeks. The medication I take to control it
(somewhat) is an opiate, which causes vision problems and prostate
swelling.
GERD - Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease (chronic heartburn) - The
commercials you see about those worthless purple pills say if you have
it more than a couple of times a week, you should consult your doctor.
I had 100-200 episodes per DAY, each and every day. I finally had
surgery (laparoscopic Nissen fundoplication, for those interested),
which relieved the symptoms 100%. The acid still gets produced, but
at least I'm not burning my esophagus up anymore. It just pushed the
problems south.
The doctors keep playing round robin with me. No medications they put
me on for any of my problems seem to do any good, except for rocketing
me to the poor house. The GI doc will say "Let's see if your sleep
doctor can get your sleep problem under control, then we'll see if
your GI problems improve." Then the sleep doctor says, "Let's get
that depression and GI stuff under control, and maybe we can do
something about your sleep." Then my psychiatrist and therapist say
"We may not be able to get your depression under control until the
sleep and GI problems are resolved."
I think you see my frustration.
I think I can. It sounds a bit like dealing with government depatments -
makes me feel like a little football. "No, I can't help you, but I'll put
you through to someone who can... ah, but that person doesn't have the
authority, so I am back to the original person etc etc etc" .
I go back to my psychiatrist next week, and am going to ask to be
referred to a board certified sleep doctor. The one he sent me to
recently isn't board certified, and I have little confidence he
understands my problem, nor knows how to deal with it. But I'm trying
hard not to get my hopes too high.
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