Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn :
[Where in the bible] Does it say that Jesus died for our sins?
You asked this question in the JW group. JWs are, in general, very ignorant
about the Bible, as they only read it hopping madly from one book to
another (in order to pervert its meaning(s) entirely).
You can therefore expect a number of incomplete or incorrect answers from
JWs. Non-JWs are more likely to get some right. This post will take many
hours to get through the remailer network to the newsgroup, so we will see
how many JWs have been as thorough as I am. At the time I write this, no
one has yet responded.
At the end of the list I comment on the Jehovah's Witnesses dismissal of
"salvation by faith not works" and "Jesus has saved already" (very, very
inconvenient to the book-peddling cult of pedophiles and blood sacrifice).
These are the scriptures that come to my mind (I might have missed some):
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Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name
Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for
many for the remission of sins.
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was
lost.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the
world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek
me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in
Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in
his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are
past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 5:6-8 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died
for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet
peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth
his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away
their sins.
1 Corinthians 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish,
for whom Christ died?
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:21-22 For since by man came death, by man came also the
resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall
all be made alive.
Galatians 1:3-4 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our
Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us
from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness
of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Ephesians 2:8-9,13 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast
[..] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by
the blood of Christ.
Colossians 1:14,20 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the
forgiveness of sins [..] And, having made peace through the blood of his
cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether
they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 2:13-14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision
of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all
trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,
which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his
cross;
Hebrews 7:26-27 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless,
undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; who
needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for
his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he
offered up himself.
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto
them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto
salvation.
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for
ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
1 Peter 2:21-24 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also
suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was
reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but
committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: who his own self bare
our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should
live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the
unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but
quickened by the Spirit:
1 John 2:1-2,12 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye
sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for
ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world [..] I write unto you,
little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us,
and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto
him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
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Most of these scriptures are hateful to the Jehovah's Witnesses, because
they clearly show that to be saved, one does not need to commit the works
of going door-to-door hassling people and peddling worthless Watchtower
"LitterItchJah".... ;-) So the JWs will say "But what Jesus meant was .."
and similar blasphemous garbage.
The JWs here won't discuss the Bible with me (Prominent Bethelite) as they
get rings run around them. At the end of the day, they are liars, and
cheaters, and morons, and cowards, and FILTH - unworthEy of membership even
of the "Raca" Class.
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And on the third day, God said:
"Let there be div(D)=Pf, div(B)=0, curl(E)=-dB/dt, curl(H)=jf+dD/dt."
And there was light."
Love
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Examples of FINE SPIRITUAL FOOD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME FROM "THE SLAVE":
"We need not here repeat the evidences that the 'seventh trump' began its
sounding in A.D. 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of
trouble" {WT Nov 1880 p1}; "masturbation is no mere innocent pastime but
rather a practice that can lead to homosexual acts" {WT May 15 1970 p315;
also WT Oct 1 1970 p604}; "If heaven were made the receptacle of the
heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS, it
would cease to be heaven to a considerable extent, and become a pandemonium
.. billions of ignorant, imbecile and degraded .. never formed characters
[not] fit companions for saints" {WT Oct 15 1896 p245} Fine JW Wisdom!!
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THE LIST OF AMAZING JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' CLAIMS, BELIEFS & PREDICTIONS
Prepared by MYSELF may be found at the following websites:-
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
http://localsonly.wilmington.net/jmalik/TheList.zip
http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm
It is FULLY IN ACCORDANCE with the teachings of the WATCHTOWER Bible &
Tract Society (WTBTS) for every member of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES to Carefully
Study the LIST mentioned above, which comprises truly fine scriptural food
from its own publications. Remember the WTBTS told you to confirm whether
what was taught by the WTBTS was in harmony with the Bible - and if not,
not to circulate it {WT Mar 1 1894 repr p1629}, to confirm WT teachings
against the Bible {WT May 1 1934 p131}, to invite critical examination of
your faith {WT Aug 15 1950 p263}, that, far from being wrong, it is your
duty to examine religion to see if it is true or false {WT Nov 15 1963
p688}, that you should actively examine your own religion {The Truth That
Leads To Eternal Life 1968 p13, a WTBTS publication}, that you should check
and examine BOTH sides of a matter {Awake! Oct 22 1973 p6}, that your
religion was in no way afraid of being exposed to scrutiny {WT Aug 1 1978
p12}, that you should to be willing to submit everything to scrutiny
{Awake! Aug 22 1984 p22/28}, that you should not have a closed mind {WT Nov
22 1984 p3-4}, that you should actively refer to the older publications {WT
Jun 15 1985 p12}, that all people are encouraged to examine other religions
and with an open mind {WT Apr 1 1991 p17} and that you are encouraged to
exhibit freedom of thought {Awake! Jun 8 1994 p21}. So, please follow this
advice of the WTBTS, and study that LIST very carefully. "You will know the
Truth and the Truth will set you free."(John 8:32). Fine advice indeed!
THE LIST IS PRODUCED IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO A RECENT REQUEST BY THE WTBTS in
{WT Dec 1 1990 p19}, where it quotes {WT Dec 15 1914 p377-8}: "If any one
knows anything better, let him take it. If any of you ever find anything
better, we hope you will tell us." Kindly, Prominent Bethelite has duly
obliged. Having read it, if you find the WTBTS has ever told falsehoods,
follow the WTBTS advice clearly given in {WT Dec 1 1991 p7} "A religion
that teaches lies cannot be true."; if you find the WTBTS has even made one
false prophecy, follow the WTBTS advice clearly given in {WT Feb 1 1992 p3}
"Beware of False Prophets!" - and cut yourself off from these Foul Cheats.
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