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"alvintchase" |
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16 Dec 2003 07:55:43 PM |
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Re;Fifth columnist |
Sid,I read your posts about this.I think De meanii is the only person
on ASD who would seriously believe anyone here fits that
category.everyone else knows the word's a joke-and really that's been
the main point of my posts.I think the best weapon people have against
that kind of nonsense is humor-irony,to laugh at the word,even embrace
it.by doing that just about everyone realizes how silly it is.
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| User: "Joe User" |
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| Title: Re: Re;Fifth columnist |
17 Dec 2003 08:00:26 AM |
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On 16 Dec 2003 17:55:43 -0800, (alvintchase)
wrote:
Sid,I read your posts about this.I think De meanii is the only person
on ASD who would seriously believe anyone here fits that
category.
No, actually you fit very well the definition of a fith column, a very
insignificant fifth columist, but a traitor still the same.
By definition, fifth columnists (hense known as traitors) work within
the system to "break" it, to allow the "invaders" (fhense forth
refered to as globalists (a/k/a world lovers) to take control.
Your own words speak for themselves.
) The US is a NATION, we pledge allegance to the flag, not the world,
not the UN, not humanity.
When elected officals are sworn in, they take an oath to protect and
serve the nation from all enemies foriegn and domestic, the
"progressives" do not beleive in defending the nation, they work to
incorporate it into the "world". Thus by defnition you are traitors,
working against the state(Nation) which is the largest agrigation of
citizens, to make them citizens of the "world".
Thus a one world goverment is the equivilent of an "invader" which
makes you a fifth columnist.
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Re;Fifth columnist |
17 Dec 2003 05:46:42 PM |
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Joe User <NaCl@slug.gov> wrote in message
By definition, fifth columnists (hense known as traitors) work within
the system to "break" it, to allow the "invaders" (fhense forth
refered to as globalists (a/k/a world lovers) to take control.
Your own words speak for themselves.
) The US is a NATION, we pledge allegance to the flag, not the world,
not the UN, not humanity.
maybe so,but then being a traitor is a positive thing in my
view.There is a MUCH higher sense of loyalty that people should
have,in my opinion,and that's to their heart,their soul,their
spirit...and what is that heart?that spirit?It is EVERYTHING...there
is in reality no divisions.nations?they are man made.they are
artificial.the only thing that is true is that everything on this
planet is part of the one whole,which is God,God is everything,and we
are all part of that everything...that's what I believe.
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| User: "Joe User" |
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| Title: Re: Re;Fifth columnist |
22 Dec 2003 12:35:48 PM |
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On 17 Dec 2003 15:46:42 -0800, (alvintchase)
wrote:
Joe User <NaCl@slug.gov> wrote in message
By definition, fifth columnists (hense known as traitors) work within
the system to "break" it, to allow the "invaders" (fhense forth
refered to as globalists (a/k/a world lovers) to take control.
Your own words speak for themselves.
) The US is a NATION, we pledge allegance to the flag, not the world,
not the UN, not humanity.
maybe so,but then being a traitor is a positive thing in my
view.T
Um yeah, well historically there is one way to deal with traitors,
long painful deaths. May your pagan god/godess bring you comfort as
you get beaten with rubber hoses, electrocuted, etc.
here is a MUCH higher sense of loyalty that people should
have,in my opinion,and that's to their heart,their soul,their
spirit...
I dont' have those, well maybe I do, it's made out of stainless steel,
nothing sticks to it and well it's hard as steel, oh and it's honed to
an edge so it cuts things.
and what is that heart?that spirit?It is EVERYTHING...there
is in reality no divisions.nations?
Ah yes, the Giaha myth, if there is such a creature, I must hunt it
down and kill it, since it's divine and can't die, it will spend the
rest of eternity in agony, I want that job, payback is a *****, and I
do so hate the little *****, want to spread beauty, love and joy,
sorry, don't exist, the little ***** will learn to live with pain,
dispair and hatred, kill off her 'children" as well, anything that
hurts that spirit makes me that much stronger.
they are man made.they are
artificial.the only thing that is true is that everything on this
planet is part of the one whole,which is God,God is everything,and we
are all part of that everything...that's what I believe.
Great, you can share her fate, sure hope you love suffering because
that's what I have for all those who follow that ***** of a divinity.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Re;Fifth columnist |
22 Dec 2003 11:45:17 AM |
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Hi Pinhead , how's fantasy land
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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| Title: Re: Re;Fifth columnist |
17 Dec 2003 10:57:51 AM |
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"Joe User" <NaCl@slug.gov> wrote in message
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On 16 Dec 2003 17:55:43 -0800, (alvintchase)
wrote:
Sid,I read your posts about this.I think De meanii is the only person
on ASD who would seriously believe anyone here fits that
category.
No, actually you fit very well the definition of a fith column, a very
insignificant fifth columist, but a traitor still the same.
By definition, fifth columnists (hense known as traitors) work within
the system to "break" it, to allow the "invaders" (fhense forth
refered to as globalists (a/k/a world lovers) to take control.
Your own words speak for themselves.
) The US is a NATION, we pledge allegance to the flag, not the world,
not the UN, not humanity.
When elected officals are sworn in, they take an oath to protect and
serve the nation from all enemies foriegn and domestic, the
"progressives" do not beleive in defending the nation, they work to
incorporate it into the "world". Thus by defnition you are traitors,
working against the state(Nation) which is the largest agrigation of
citizens, to make them citizens of the "world".
Thus a one world goverment is the equivilent of an "invader" which
makes you a fifth columnist.
Now this is just plain nutso.
What you refer to as "incorporating the nation into the world" I tend to
think of differently: to wit, I tend to see national security as enhanced by
cooperating with other nations, using diplomacy as a first resort and
violence as a last resort. Nowhere do I advocate nor does anyone that I know
of here advocates (as far as I am aware) doing anything to damage our
sovereignty or identity. At most, I might advocate respecting international
law -- i.e., when it comes to things like trade, conflict, and so forth we
need to follow the same rules of the road. Failing to do so opens a nation
up to all sorts of unnecessary risks, such as alienating would-be allies,
inviting possible military actions by other nations, and so forth -- it can
come back to haunt you. Heck, your leaders could very well find themselves
cowering in some hole in the ground. Ask Saddam.
--
??? www.notinourname.org www.drmenlo.com/samizdat/
?W? www.moveon.org http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
??? www.questionw.com www.thememoryhole.org
www.guardian.co.uk www.guerrillanews.com
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| User: "Joe User" |
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| Title: Re: Re;Fifth columnist |
20 Dec 2003 04:40:05 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:57:51 -0600, "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious"
<bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote:
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"Joe User" <NaCl@slug.gov> wrote in message
news:esn0uvg24u6c4egt71hs5ao4k1v1gjv618@4ax.com...
On 16 Dec 2003 17:55:43 -0800, (alvintchase)
wrote:
Sid,I read your posts about this.I think De meanii is the only person
on ASD who would seriously believe anyone here fits that
category.
No, actually you fit very well the definition of a fith column, a very
insignificant fifth columist, but a traitor still the same.
By definition, fifth columnists (hense known as traitors) work within
the system to "break" it, to allow the "invaders" (fhense forth
refered to as globalists (a/k/a world lovers) to take control.
Your own words speak for themselves.
) The US is a NATION, we pledge allegance to the flag, not the world,
not the UN, not humanity.
When elected officals are sworn in, they take an oath to protect and
serve the nation from all enemies foriegn and domestic, the
"progressives" do not beleive in defending the nation, they work to
incorporate it into the "world". Thus by defnition you are traitors,
working against the state(Nation) which is the largest agrigation of
citizens, to make them citizens of the "world".
Thus a one world goverment is the equivilent of an "invader" which
makes you a fifth columnist.
Now this is just plain nutso.
What you refer to as "incorporating the nation into the world" I tend to
think of differently: to wit, I tend to see national security as enhanced by
cooperating with other nations, using diplomacy as a first resort and
violence as a last resort.
Diplomacy/negotiation/Comprimise is ALWAYS a tool of the weak,If I
have a gun, and you don't, or I'm just a much better trooper, I don't
have to negotiate. "International" relations amount to hoping I don't
notice you or feel threated by you and send you to an early grave.
What's mine is mine, what's yours is yours, unless *I* decide
otherwise and what's yours is mine too. (sucks to be you, but life
isn't fair)
Nowhere do I advocate nor does anyone that I know
of here advocates (as far as I am aware) doing anything to damage our
sovereignty or identity. At most, I might advocate respecting international
law
There is no such animal as "International" law, atleast under the
goverment established by the constitution. The nation is the highest
form of goverment, If nations want to trade, they can trade, if one
party doesn't like the tems, they can opt out, just like companies or
individuals.
You do advocate for universal human rights, again, no such animal. As
Plato once said, democracy is a terrible form of goverment, not
democracy itself but how it's defined - It puts the forigner equal to
the citizen, and that is *****.
-- i.e., when it comes to things like trade, conflict, and so forth we
need to follow the same rules of the road. Failing to do so opens a nation
up to all sorts of unnecessary risks, such as alienating would-be allies,
We have the most powerful military in the history of the earth,
capible of elminating all life 4-7 time over again, what are all the
"others" going to do? Blow up the chared ashes- again?
inviting possible military actions by other nations, and so forth
Starting WWIII, reducing the earth to a radioactive hell, buh bi
Ghia(earth spirit) Allah, Krishna, etc, game over, we win, hope the
rest of you love choking on the radioactive ashes.
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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| Title: Re: Re;Fifth columnist |
16 Dec 2003 11:46:33 PM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1029ba7.0312161755.5fa89820@posting.google.com...
Sid,I read your posts about this.I think De meanii is the only person
on ASD who would seriously believe anyone here fits that
category.everyone else knows the word's a joke-and really that's been
the main point of my posts.I think the best weapon people have against
that kind of nonsense is humor-irony,to laugh at the word,even embrace
it.by doing that just about everyone realizes how silly it is.
Thus far probably Mini and maybe Wombn. I'm sure Joe User would us the term
seriously too. The people who use the term "fifth column" to describe
liberals, moderates, and the like are ones whom I don't take seriously in
any sort of intellectual sense. They and their intellectual leaders: Bill
O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and so forth have demonstrated that
their only available rejoinder to the rest of us is to resort to unfounded
personal attacks. It's to the extent that this kind of crap has become
increasingly part of the mainstream discourse that I become concerned. Yeah,
I think it's okay to lampoon it (I do on my blog from time to time), but at
the same time it's a good idea to keep a watchful eye; I've had this sense
for a few years now that we're at some sort of a cross-roads and one that
has some of the feel of the waning days of the Weimar Republic.
--
??? www.notinourname.org www.drmenlo.com/samizdat/
?W? www.moveon.org http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
??? www.questionw.com www.thememoryhole.org
www.guardian.co.uk www.guerrillanews.com
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