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"alvintchase" |
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18 Oct 2004 02:29:36 PM |
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Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 03:12:53 PM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
well fact of the matter is ,
he has never been behind ,
well , maybe once , for a day ,
the whole thing is unfolding just as I said ,
get set for 4 more years of George
and I say this without prejudice because ,
it doesn't matter to me who wins
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| User: "Mz. R.e" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
19 Oct 2004 12:14:54 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2004 12:29:36 -0700, (alvintchase)
wrote:
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The 'polls' can say whatever they want them to and they want them to
give the impression that resident evil shrub and his owners are
running 'neck and neck' with the other candidate so that when they
steal THIS election, it will seem acceptable.
Mz.r.e.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 04:27:45 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2004 12:29:36 -0700, (alvintchase) wrote:
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
With due concern for using a campaign line from the movie Wag the Dog, I'm
guessing that a lot of people are fearful of changing horses in the middle
of a race.
What Bush wants to do in Iraq is known. When pressed, Kerry agrees
wholeheartedly, but says that he would do it "right". When asked for
details, he offers only generalizations such as "I'll get our allies to
help us."
Kerry never explains that. Yet in many people's minds it seems relatively
simple - our allies *are* helping us. Those who refuse to help don't seem
to be allies at all.
The oil for food scandal isn't helping Kerry. Since many people assume
that when Kerry says "our allies" he actually means France, it leaves some
wondering what it is he is going to offer France in return for their
assistance.
--
PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a
single petitioner confessedly unworthy.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 04:46:16 PM |
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With due concern for using a campaign line from the movie Wag the Dog, I'm
guessing that a lot of people are fearful of changing horses in the middle
of a race.
i remember when nixon ran for a second time
and there were slogan buttons that said ,
' why change dicks in the middle of a screw "
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 03:29:38 PM |
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410181129.61019256@posting.google.com...
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly concerned - just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned enough to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 03:43:32 PM |
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
news:2tine3F201ju1U1@uni-berlin.de...
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410181129.61019256@posting.google.com...
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly concerned - just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned enough to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
i agree totally , that polls don't count for much ,
but i think in this case as George has never been behind its saying a little
something
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 03:50:48 PM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410181129.61019256@posting.google.com...
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly concerned -
just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned enough
to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
i agree totally , that polls don't count for much ,
but i think in this case as George has never been behind its saying a
little
something
Specifically which poll are you talking about. I've seen several where Bush
has been behind at various junctures.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 04:08:32 PM |
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410181129.61019256@posting.google.com...
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly concerned -
just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned enough
to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
i agree totally , that polls don't count for much ,
but i think in this case as George has never been behind its saying a
little
something
Specifically which poll are you talking about. I've seen several where
Bush
has been behind at various junctures.
well i was watching one that was on CNN today ,
but perhaps they are just telling the Canadians a different story
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 11:08:50 PM |
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly concerned -
just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned
enough
to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
i agree totally , that polls don't count for much ,
but i think in this case as George has never been behind its saying a
little
something
Specifically which poll are you talking about. I've seen several where
Bush
has been behind at various junctures.
well i was watching one that was on CNN today ,
but perhaps they are just telling the Canadians a different story
Here's some polling data from the 3-way (Kerry-Bush-Nader) matchup:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html
Here's the two-way numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html
If you start looking at some of the other polling data that I've seen
around, Bush's support isn't especially strong. His approval rating has
stayed below 50% which is not good for an incumbent, most Americans think
the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. Internals from many of
these polls show Kerry doing especially well with young voters, seniors, and
oddly enough men. Aside from the rabid Bush fanatics (movement
"conservatives") his support has grown more tepid with each passing week.
I've been especially impressed with the increased assertiveness of regular
conservatives and moderates (the sorts of folks who would be derided by the
White House as the "reality based community") in breaking ranks and throwing
their support for Kerry.
Assuming that this will be a close race, it'll come down to GOTV and the
extent to which GOP partisans attempt to tamper with the votes.
I've probably said it before and I'll stand by this: Kerry's got a damn good
shot at winning - voter turnout promises to be large relative to previous
election cycles, mainly due to a lot of angry and highly motivated
individuals who are sick of the mess Bush and his party made. By comparison,
Bush's supporters seem relatively demoralized - heck the series of debates
set off a lot of cognitive dissonance for those folks when they saw their
icon's poor performance. That's just my two cents. Take it for whatever it's
worth to you.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Re;NOTICE HOW GEORGE BUSH IS |
18 Oct 2004 11:16:58 PM |
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled
only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead
in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly
concerned -
just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned
enough
to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
i agree totally , that polls don't count for much ,
but i think in this case as George has never been behind its saying a
little
something
Specifically which poll are you talking about. I've seen several where
Bush
has been behind at various junctures.
well i was watching one that was on CNN today ,
but perhaps they are just telling the Canadians a different story
Here's some polling data from the 3-way (Kerry-Bush-Nader) matchup:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html
Here's the two-way numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html
If you start looking at some of the other polling data that I've seen
around, Bush's support isn't especially strong. His approval rating has
stayed below 50% which is not good for an incumbent, most Americans think
the country is heading in the wrong direction, etc. Internals from many of
these polls show Kerry doing especially well with young voters, seniors,
and
oddly enough men. Aside from the rabid Bush fanatics (movement
"conservatives") his support has grown more tepid with each passing week.
I've been especially impressed with the increased assertiveness of regular
conservatives and moderates (the sorts of folks who would be derided by
the
White House as the "reality based community") in breaking ranks and
throwing
their support for Kerry.
Assuming that this will be a close race, it'll come down to GOTV and the
extent to which GOP partisans attempt to tamper with the votes.
I've probably said it before and I'll stand by this: Kerry's got a damn
good
shot at winning - voter turnout promises to be large relative to previous
election cycles, mainly due to a lot of angry and highly motivated
individuals who are sick of the mess Bush and his party made. By
comparison,
Bush's supporters seem relatively demoralized - heck the series of debates
set off a lot of cognitive dissonance for those folks when they saw their
icon's poor performance. That's just my two cents. Take it for whatever
it's
worth to you.
well ... ok , James , its really not a topic I wanted to get into
and although I realize its touchy material for some , I was more or less
just toying with some ideas on accordance to what I see in the news and read
in the papers , so once again I give it up to Canadian media tell me a
different story
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| User: "Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" |
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18 Oct 2004 11:39:53 PM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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well ... ok , James , its really not a topic I wanted to get into
and although I realize its touchy material for some , I was more or less
just toying with some ideas on accordance to what I see in the news and
read
in the papers , so once again I give it up to Canadian media tell me a
different story
No worries. The mass media here in the states is giving us pretty much the
same story you get. I'm just giving you the story from the various wonks and
activists who live for this stuff, and/or who are on the ground and have a
pretty good sense of what's going on beyond the polls.
--
Proud member of the reality-based community
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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18 Oct 2004 11:40:54 PM |
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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well ... ok , James , its really not a topic I wanted to get into
and although I realize its touchy material for some , I was more or less
just toying with some ideas on accordance to what I see in the news and
read
in the papers , so once again I give it up to Canadian media tell me a
different story
No worries. The mass media here in the states is giving us pretty much the
same story you get. I'm just giving you the story from the various wonks
and
activists who live for this stuff, and/or who are on the ground and have a
pretty good sense of what's going on beyond the polls.
--
Proud member of the reality-based community
yea , i see that , i'm looking it over now ,
some interesting facts here
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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18 Oct 2004 04:13:44 PM |
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In message <2tiolpF206bn8U1@uni-berlin.de>, Dr. Siddhartha Vicious
<bokonon@ptsi.net> writes
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410181129.61019256@posting.google.com...
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly concerned -
just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned enough
to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
i agree totally , that polls don't count for much ,
but i think in this case as George has never been behind its saying a
little
something
Specifically which poll are you talking about. I've seen several where Bush
has been behind at various junctures.
Maybe he means that George Bush doesn't have a behind, only a signal
station built into the seat of his pants.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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19 Oct 2004 12:10:39 AM |
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <2tiolpF206bn8U1@uni-berlin.de>, Dr. Siddhartha Vicious
<bokonon@ptsi.net> writes
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
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"Dr. Siddhartha Vicious" <bokonon@ptsi.net> wrote in message
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"alvintchase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a78957eb.0410181129.61019256@posting.google.com...
I don't believe it...it must be some mistake...maybe they polled only
republicans?After the debates,I can't see how Bush could be ahead in
the polls...
The polls are a mixed bag atm. I wouldn't be too terribly concerned -
just
concerned enough to go to the polls and vote, and just concerned
enough
to
bring a friend or two to the polls as well.
i agree totally , that polls don't count for much ,
but i think in this case as George has never been behind its saying a
little
something
Specifically which poll are you talking about. I've seen several where
Bush
has been behind at various junctures.
Maybe he means that George Bush doesn't have a behind, only a signal
station built into the seat of his pants.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
no , no , no ... i mean , " I Have A Plan "
but none of you spindle heads will ever know what it is
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