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"jordy" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:22:40 PM |
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seeing ourselves in others |
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: seeing ourselves in others |
14 Jan 2007 09:33:17 AM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to...
and some people are just boring or irritating for reasons that really are
about them, not me.
please don't say "we" when you're talking about yourself.
that's irritating.
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| User: "justabeing" |
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| Title: Re: seeing ourselves in others |
12 Jan 2007 02:27:31 AM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557760.491211.107490@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
-"Jordy"
all these various topics you've written remind me of Jack Handy on
SNL........thats what the voice reading them in my head sounds
like............
justa
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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12 Jan 2007 11:56:07 AM |
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"justabeing" <just.a.being@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
I never see myself in others. What do you think that means?
--
Rhi
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| User: "jordy" |
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| Title: Re: seeing ourselves in others |
12 Jan 2007 01:29:31 PM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"justabeing" <just.a.being@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557760.491211.107490@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
I never see myself in others. What do you think that means?
--
Rhi
I guess everyone is different... with me I see all different
parts of myself in various people... sometimes a person's appearence,
mannerisms etc... reminds me of parts of myself...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "%" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:32:33 PM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Rhiannon wrote:
"justabeing" <just.a.being@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557760.491211.107490@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities
in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to...
We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to
see
in ourselves...
I never see myself in others. What do you think that means?
--
Rhi
I guess everyone is different... with me I see all different
parts of myself in various people... sometimes a person's appearence,
mannerisms etc... reminds me of parts of myself...
-"Jordy"
well at least you hope that's how you are
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| User: "jill" |
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12 Jan 2007 12:04:07 PM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"justabeing" <just.a.being@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557760.491211.107490@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
I never see myself in others. What do you think that means?
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Rhi
I don't either,
JILL
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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12 Jan 2007 04:18:51 PM |
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"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
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Rhiannon wrote:
"justabeing" <just.a.being@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557760.491211.107490@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities
in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to...
We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to
see
in ourselves...
I never see myself in others. What do you think that means?
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Rhi
I don't either,
JILL
You know, my instinct was that of all the people who I thought might say the
same thing, it would be you. Where do you think it comes from? Does it
bother you that you don't? Do you feel alone with it? A sense of
disconnection? So different - not necessarily good, bad, right, or wrong -
just so different that you are completely alone in the world?
--
Rhi
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| User: "jill" |
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14 Jan 2007 01:49:40 PM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"jill" <ojj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
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Rhiannon wrote:
"justabeing" <just.a.being@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557760.491211.107490@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities
in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to...
We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to
see
in ourselves...
I never see myself in others. What do you think that means?
--
Rhi
I don't either,
JILL
You know, my instinct was that of all the people who I thought might say the
same thing, it would be you. Where do you think it comes from? Does it
bother you that you don't? Do you feel alone with it? A sense of
disconnection? So different - not necessarily good, bad, right, or wrong -
just so different that you are completely alone in the world?
--
Rhi
I don't know what it would be like to feel any other way. We are
lone reeds you and I . I am sort of autistic about it. I mean I
can't process it, I just feel the way I do. Even now knowing that
you feel that way too. I have a sense that it is not the same feeling
I feel. You know what I mean? crazy I know.
hope all is well , say hi to cal, JILL
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| User: "jordy" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:27:29 PM |
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justabeing wrote:
"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168557760.491211.107490@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
-"Jordy"
all these various topics you've written remind me of Jack Handy on
SNL........thats what the voice reading them in my head sounds
like............
justa
I have different voices inside my head too when I read different
posts... It's impossible to know of course, if my voices sound like the
person's regular voice...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "slunky" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:43:13 PM |
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_/ jordy wrote \_
I have different voices inside my head too when I read different
posts... It's impossible to know of course, if my voices sound like the
person's regular voice...
Not impossible for everybody. We've got a voice page.
--
-slunky
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| User: "Bacon" |
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12 Jan 2007 05:33:47 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:43:13 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org>
wrote:
_/ jordy wrote \_
I have different voices inside my head too when I read different
posts... It's impossible to know of course, if my voices sound like the
person's regular voice...
Not impossible for everybody. We've got a voice page.
We should have a book club in ASD. And volunteers take turns reading
chapters and posting them like an audio book on the voice page.
Used2be could go first...let's see what book, slight and sexy Texas
drawl, I'll have to think.
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| User: "justabeing" |
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12 Jan 2007 06:17:56 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:43:13 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org>
wrote:
_/ jordy wrote \_
I have different voices inside my head too when I read different
posts... It's impossible to know of course, if my voices sound like the
person's regular voice...
Not impossible for everybody. We've got a voice page.
We should have a book club in ASD. And volunteers take turns reading
chapters and posting them like an audio book on the voice page.
Used2be could go first...let's see what book, slight and sexy Texas
drawl, I'll have to think.
thas an easy one, Louis L'Amour
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| User: "jill" |
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14 Jan 2007 01:51:58 PM |
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Bacon wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:43:13 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org>
wrote:
_/ jordy wrote \_
I have different voices inside my head too when I read different
posts... It's impossible to know of course, if my voices sound like the
person's regular voice...
Not impossible for everybody. We've got a voice page.
We should have a book club in ASD. And volunteers take turns reading
chapters and posting them like an audio book on the voice page.
Used2be could go first...let's see what book, slight and sexy Texas
drawl, I'll have to think.
Secrets of the ya ya sisterhood. or maybe cat on a hot tin roof ,
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| User: "jordy" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:49:40 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ jordy wrote \_
I have different voices inside my head too when I read different
posts... It's impossible to know of course, if my voices sound like the
person's regular voice...
Not impossible for everybody. We've got a voice page.
--
-slunky
thanks for reminding me. I'll post to it now, even though I've never
much liked the sound of my voice. even though my voice is pretty
changeable...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "slunky" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:53:47 PM |
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_/ jordy wrote \_
thanks for reminding me. I'll post to it now, even though I've never
much liked the sound of my voice. even though my voice is pretty
changeable...
Do you have the URL? You can either e-mail me a .wav or .mp3 or call
(206)666-1774 and leave it as a voicemail and I'll get it up as soon as
I can.
--
-slunky
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| User: "jordy" |
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12 Jan 2007 01:56:24 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ jordy wrote \_
thanks for reminding me. I'll post to it now, even though I've never
much liked the sound of my voice. even though my voice is pretty
changeable...
Do you have the URL? You can either e-mail me a .wav or .mp3 or call
(206)666-1774 and leave it as a voicemail and I'll get it up as soon as
I can.
--
-slunky
I just left a voice mail at the above number. thanks!
-"Jordy"
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| User: "slunky" |
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12 Jan 2007 02:01:47 PM |
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_/ jordy wrote \_
I just left a voice mail at the above number. thanks!
It's up there now.
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-slunky
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| User: "scorpsmurf" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:23:55 PM |
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how insightful
jordy wrote:
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "jordy" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:26:02 PM |
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scorpsmurf wrote:
how insightful
thank you
jordy wrote:
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
-"Jordy"
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11 Jan 2007 05:33:32 PM |
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jordy wrote:
scorpsmurf wrote:
how insightful
thank you
now where is this coming from?????
jordy wrote:
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
-"Jordy"
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11 Jan 2007 05:35:39 PM |
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scorpsmurf wrote:
jordy wrote:
scorpsmurf wrote:
how insightful
thank you
now where is this coming from?????
what do you mean? I'm thanking you for the compliment.. I appreciate
compliments...
-"jordy"
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| User: "scorpsmurf" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:40:11 PM |
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jordy wrote:
scorpsmurf wrote:
jordy wrote:
scorpsmurf wrote:
how insightful
thank you
now where is this coming from?????
what do you mean? I'm thanking you for the compliment.. I appreciate
compliments...
-"jordy"
as do i...i mean as far as your other posts along with this one...just
wondering where all this insightfulness was coming from, or if this is
common for you...forgive me, I haven't been on much of late.
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| User: "jordy" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:45:30 PM |
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scorpsmurf wrote:
jordy wrote:
scorpsmurf wrote:
jordy wrote:
scorpsmurf wrote:
how insightful
thank you
now where is this coming from?????
what do you mean? I'm thanking you for the compliment.. I appreciate
compliments...
-"jordy"
as do i...i mean as far as your other posts along with this one...just
wondering where all this insightfulness was coming from, or if this is
common for you...forgive me, I haven't been on much of late.
well, I like to share with ASD what I'm thinking about, partly like
a journal or a diary, to get it off my chest, and partly in hopes that
other people might relate and respond... I'm not very social in real
life, so this is one medium I have of relating to people.... I also
had caffeine this morning and I'm tired, and that combination often
brings up underlying issues closer to my awareness... just talking
about it does make me feel somewhat better...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "the_dawggie" |
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12 Jan 2007 07:15:25 AM |
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jordy wrote:
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
It's a difficult issue to understand. I prolly try too hard to find
qualities
in others that relate to me, and maybe get confused with what does
not match.
I used to be very sensitive to what folk thought of me, especially
if they were obviously more intelligent than me. I kinda don't care
as much about that now, however don't like to be in crowded social
situations of a mismatch of people you don't really know - work
parties and the such.
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
I don't really think much of myself, or really like myself as far as
personality goes. It works out OK though if you think about the folk
you _really_ don't like.
The only thing to be done is try to present and develop yourself
in the best possible way you are comfortable with.
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| User: "justabeing" |
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12 Jan 2007 07:17:59 AM |
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"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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jordy wrote:
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
sometimes we just don't like the person too
simple as that
I'm all for the KISS thing, myself because I tend to make everything too
damn complicated/complex than it really is, half the time............
justa
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12 Jan 2007 07:58:06 PM |
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the_dawggie wrote:
jordy wrote:
I guess when people make us uncomfortable, it's often because we
see parts of ourselves in them... sometimes we feel jealous of other
people, sometimes we admire other people, sometimes we see qualities in
other people that we are trying to hide or don't want to admit to... We
It's a difficult issue to understand. I prolly try too hard to find
qualities
in others that relate to me, and maybe get confused with what does
not match.
I used to be very sensitive to what folk thought of me, especially
if they were obviously more intelligent than me. I kinda don't care
as much about that now, however don't like to be in crowded social
situations of a mismatch of people you don't really know - work
parties and the such.
have an image of ourselves that we want to live up to, or we want to
think of ourselves as possessing those qualties, and we want to not
acknoledge people who remind us of the images that we don't want to see
in ourselves...
I don't really think much of myself, or really like myself as far as
personality goes. It works out OK though if you think about the folk
you _really_ don't like.
The only thing to be done is try to present and develop yourself
in the best possible way you are comfortable with.
I guess you have to try to be "yourself" as much as possible, and
maybe let other be "themselves" as much as possible... What I've been
thinking about a lot lately is: It upsets me when other people seem to
be "old fashioned" in many ways... but I've realzied that it upsets me
in large part because there are a lot of things about myself that are
"old fashioned"( for lack of a better word), that I'm uncomfortable
with... for example, I often have ideas that are fairly unconventional
and creative I think.. but it's hard to put the ideas into practise in
a constructive way... It's hard to go from thinking about ideas to
actually DOING things in a creative ways... so I think my frustration
with other people who seem "old fashioned" is in large part frustration
with myself... It's so important to get out of your comfort zone, to
take chances, take risks... but as much as I think about doing things,
I'm not very good at doing new things, putting ideas into practise...
that's what my rabbi at my Israel bar mitzvah talked about, he said
that the heart, the head and the hand all have to be united, that
without even one of those three things working together, everything
falls apart... the heart and the hand without the head doesn't work,
the heart and the head without the hand doesn't work, the hand and the
head without the heart doesn't work... Another thing I tell myself
though is: there must some good things about being "old fashioned"...
there is that safety and security thing, that's very understable, very
comforting... there is nothing like actually being IN your comfort
zone... a very comforting feeling... but it's also a trap, because you
tend to want to stay there, to not stretch yourself, but they say that
growth comes when you stretch yourself and leave your comfort zone... I
guess you just have to try it all... excitement, adventure, craziness
AND safety and security... thinking AND feeling AND doing... being a
child, a teenager AND an adult... like slunky said, duality is
important...
-"Jordy"
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12 Jan 2007 11:46:58 PM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I guess you have to try to be "yourself" as much as possible, and
maybe let other be "themselves" as much as possible... What I've been
thinking about a lot lately is: It upsets me when other people seem to
be "old fashioned" in many ways... but I've realzied that it upsets me
in large part because there are a lot of things about myself that are
"old fashioned"( for lack of a better word), that I'm uncomfortable
with... for example, I often have ideas that are fairly unconventional
and creative I think.. but it's hard to put the ideas into practise in
a constructive way... It's hard to go from thinking about ideas to
actually DOING things in a creative ways... so I think my frustration
with other people who seem "old fashioned" is in large part frustration
with myself... It's so important to get out of your comfort zone, to
take chances, take risks... but as much as I think about doing things,
I'm not very good at doing new things, putting ideas into practise...
that's what my rabbi at my Israel bar mitzvah talked about, he said
that the heart, the head and the hand all have to be united, that
without even one of those three things working together, everything
falls apart... the heart and the hand without the head doesn't work,
the heart and the head without the hand doesn't work, the hand and the
head without the heart doesn't work... Another thing I tell myself
though is: there must some good things about being "old fashioned"...
there is that safety and security thing, that's very understable, very
comforting... there is nothing like actually being IN your comfort
zone... a very comforting feeling... but it's also a trap, because you
tend to want to stay there, to not stretch yourself, but they say that
growth comes when you stretch yourself and leave your comfort zone... I
guess you just have to try it all... excitement, adventure, craziness
AND safety and security... thinking AND feeling AND doing... being a
child, a teenager AND an adult... like slunky said, duality is
important...
-"Jordy"
sometimes I think it's more like quadraphonica
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