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"CPO Snarky" |
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03 Sep 2005 01:06:08 AM |
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Shooting looters in disaster zones? |
I finally find something I can agree with CyberDrool on. Shoot the
looters. We live in the Age of Entitlement. It's disgusting. Oh hey,
I'm hungry and my kids are thirsty...let me help myself to a laptop
computer, a DVD recorder, and a plasma TV. It's all good.
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03 Sep 2005 12:06:41 PM |
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CPO Snarky wrote:
I finally find something I can agree with CyberDrool on. Shoot the
looters. We live in the Age of Entitlement. It's disgusting. Oh hey,
I'm hungry and my kids are thirsty...let me help myself to a laptop
computer, a DVD recorder, and a plasma TV. It's all good.
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!! We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not stop there!!! I
think ALL criminals should be shot on the spot!!! get caught stealing
candy from a store? just shoot the person... get caught smoking a
joint? loitering? going through a red light? wearing your cap on
backwards? skip the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "Used2be" |
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| Title: Re: Shooting looters in disaster zones? |
03 Sep 2005 12:31:17 PM |
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"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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CPO Snarky wrote:
I finally find something I can agree with CyberDrool on. Shoot the
looters. We live in the Age of Entitlement. It's disgusting. Oh hey,
I'm hungry and my kids are thirsty...let me help myself to a laptop
computer, a DVD recorder, and a plasma TV. It's all good.
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!! We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not stop there!!! I
think ALL criminals should be shot on the spot!!! get caught stealing
candy from a store? just shoot the person... get caught smoking a
joint? loitering? going through a red light? wearing your cap on
backwards? skip the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
yeah...kind of like iraq under sadam....
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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03 Sep 2005 12:52:02 PM |
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Used2be wrote...
"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125767201.253009.248650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com..
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CPO Snarky wrote:
I finally find something I can agree with CyberDrool on.
Shoot the looters. We live in the Age of Entitlement.
It's disgusting. Oh hey, I'm hungry and my kids are
thirsty...let me help myself to a laptop computer, a DVD
recorder, and a plasma TV. It's all good.
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!!
We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not
stop there!!! I think ALL criminals should be shot on the
spot!!! get caught stealing candy from a store? just shoot
the person... get caught smoking a joint? loitering? going
through a red light? wearing your cap on backwards? skip
the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
yeah...kind of like iraq under sadam....
actually, as far as looting, etc, goes, it's more like iraq
under us.
-lisa
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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03 Sep 2005 12:49:54 PM |
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AlvinTChase wrote...
CPO Snarky wrote:
I finally find something I can agree with CyberDrool on.
Shoot the looters. We live in the Age of Entitlement.
It's disgusting. Oh hey, I'm hungry and my kids are
thirsty...let me help myself to a laptop computer, a DVD
recorder, and a plasma TV. It's all good.
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!!
We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not
stop there!!! I think ALL criminals should be shot on the
spot!!! get caught stealing candy from a store? just shoot
the person... get caught smoking a joint? loitering? going
through a red light? wearing your cap on backwards? skip
the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
-"Alvintchase"
one of the problems they have now is that they can't arrest
anybody- there's nowhere to put them. they also have to stop
the anarchy. i won't say that shooting people's the best idea,
but they do have limited options at this point. they've got to
come up with some sort of a jail system asap.
-lisa
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:43:59 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 17:49:54 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
one of the problems they have now is that they can't arrest
anybody- there's nowhere to put them. they also have to stop
the anarchy. i won't say that shooting people's the best idea,
but they do have limited options at this point. they've got to
come up with some sort of a jail system asap.
They were already building a makeshift jail in New Orleans last night.
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Even very young children need to be informed about dying. Explain the
concept of death very carefully to your child. This will make threatening
him with it much more effective.
- P. J. O'Rourke
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| User: "AlvinTChase" |
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03 Sep 2005 01:04:19 PM |
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lisa in mass. wrote:
AlvinTChase wrote...
CPO Snarky wrote:
I finally find something I can agree with CyberDrool on.
Shoot the looters. We live in the Age of Entitlement.
It's disgusting. Oh hey, I'm hungry and my kids are
thirsty...let me help myself to a laptop computer, a DVD
recorder, and a plasma TV. It's all good.
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!!
We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not
stop there!!! I think ALL criminals should be shot on the
spot!!! get caught stealing candy from a store? just shoot
the person... get caught smoking a joint? loitering? going
through a red light? wearing your cap on backwards? skip
the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
-"Alvintchase"
one of the problems they have now is that they can't arrest
anybody- there's nowhere to put them. they also have to stop
the anarchy. i won't say that shooting people's the best idea,
but they do have limited options at this point. they've got to
come up with some sort of a jail system asap.
-lisa
yep, I know it's an extremly tough situation... but shooting
people seems totally insane to me... hopefully that won't actually
happen... If it did I think it would might lead to terrible riots... I
do have some sympathy for people who do terrible things out of enormous
frustration... even if it's not the best behavior... I felt the same
way after the LA riots in 1991...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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04 Sep 2005 08:53:15 AM |
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AlvinTChase <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
one of the problems they have now is that they can't arrest
anybody- there's nowhere to put them. they also have to stop
the anarchy. i won't say that shooting people's the best idea,
Well, some of these ppl will steal a MRE from a baby.
To sell it to someone. Sometimes drastic measures are
needed.
do have some sympathy for people who do terrible things out of enormous
frustration... even if it's not the best behavior
True, but think of the kinds of bad behavior. Stealing diapers
vs. shooting at rescuers. Frustration is the cause of the first,
not the second.
... I felt the same
way after the LA riots in 1991...
The LA riots were eminently preventable. And there
was no excuse there.
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but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:45:51 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 11:04:19 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
yep, I know it's an extremly tough situation... but shooting
people seems totally insane to me... hopefully that won't actually
happen... If it did I think it would might lead to terrible riots... I
do have some sympathy for people who do terrible things out of enormous
frustration... even if it's not the best behavior... I felt the same
way after the LA riots in 1991...
Frustration my *****. Anyone with the energy to carry a television set can't
be that bad off in comparison. They should be using their energy to help
somebody else.
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I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.
- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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04 Sep 2005 11:02:46 AM |
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In message <9u5lh1tcaoogpd9sta3nt46qstj1ohou7d@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On 3 Sep 2005 11:04:19 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
yep, I know it's an extremly tough situation... but shooting
people seems totally insane to me... hopefully that won't actually
happen... If it did I think it would might lead to terrible riots... I
do have some sympathy for people who do terrible things out of enormous
frustration... even if it's not the best behavior... I felt the same
way after the LA riots in 1991...
Frustration my *****. Anyone with the energy to carry a television set can't
be that bad off in comparison. They should be using their energy to help
somebody else.
I hate 'should'.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 06:36:14 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:02:46 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <9u5lh1tcaoogpd9sta3nt46qstj1ohou7d@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
Frustration my *****. Anyone with the energy to carry a television set can't
be that bad off in comparison. They should be using their energy to help
somebody else.
I hate 'should'.
Actually I do to... Okay, if they had any decent values, they *would* be
helping others. There are plenty of examples from history of disaster
bringing people together.
I just don't buy the frustration part. I wonder how many liberals look at
the bombing of abortion clinics or the shooting of doctors and just say
"Well, that is an understandable result of frustration."
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There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
- Robert Heinlein
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04 Sep 2005 04:30:58 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <9u5lh1tcaoogpd9sta3nt46qstj1ohou7d@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On 3 Sep 2005 11:04:19 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com>
wrote:
yep, I know it's an extremly tough situation... but shooting
people seems totally insane to me... hopefully that won't actually
happen... If it did I think it would might lead to terrible riots... I
do have some sympathy for people who do terrible things out of enormous
frustration... even if it's not the best behavior... I felt the same
way after the LA riots in 1991...
Frustration my *****. Anyone with the energy to carry a television set
can't
be that bad off in comparison. They should be using their energy to help
somebody else.
I hate 'should'.
Yeah right.
"The US should..."
"President Bush should..."
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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05 Sep 2005 01:50:26 AM |
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In message <431B6792.3080105@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <9u5lh1tcaoogpd9sta3nt46qstj1ohou7d@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On 3 Sep 2005 11:04:19 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com>
wrote:
yep, I know it's an extremly tough situation... but shooting
people seems totally insane to me... hopefully that won't actually
happen... If it did I think it would might lead to terrible riots... I
do have some sympathy for people who do terrible things out of enormous
frustration... even if it's not the best behavior... I felt the same
way after the LA riots in 1991...
Frustration my *****. Anyone with the energy to carry a television
set can't
be that bad off in comparison. They should be using their energy to help
somebody else.
I hate 'should'.
Yeah right.
"The US should..."
"President Bush should..."
You said it, I didn't.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:42:56 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 10:06:41 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!! We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not stop there!!! I
think ALL criminals should be shot on the spot!!! get caught stealing
candy from a store? just shoot the person... get caught smoking a
joint? loitering? going through a red light? wearing your cap on
backwards? skip the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
Do you honestly not have any ability to see the difference between theft
for the purpose of survival, and theft for the purpose of prospering?
This from a man who absolutely refuses to open his home to even a single
homeless person who may die on the streets.
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REBEL, n. A proponent of a new misrule who has failed to establish it.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "AlvinTChase" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:21:54 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
This from a man who absolutely refuses to open his home to even a single
homeless person who may die on the streets.
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I don't think I have a "no homeless" rule about staying in my
house, I think I have a "no strangers" rule, whether the person is
homeless or not...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "%" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:25:35 PM |
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"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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CyberDroog wrote:
This from a man who absolutely refuses to open his home to even a single
homeless person who may die on the streets.
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I don't think I have a "no homeless" rule about staying in my
house, I think I have a "no strangers" rule, whether the person is
homeless or not...
-"Alvintchase"
then i have to wonder how you let youself stay there ,
with all the things you say you don't know about you
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 06:37:43 PM |
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On 4 Sep 2005 11:21:54 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
This from a man who absolutely refuses to open his home to even a single
homeless person who may die on the streets.
I don't think I have a "no homeless" rule about staying in my
house, I think I have a "no strangers" rule, whether the person is
homeless or not...
So introduce yourself to a homeless person. Then you aren't strangers.
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"He will place a tax on the air you breathe and on the bread you eat; he
will give you a legislation which is as legitimate as it is unjust and
instead of reasons, he'll give you laws. These will grow in the course of
time, until you no longer exist for yourselves but for others."
- Franz Grillparzer (1791-1872), Austrian author, from his play "Libussa"
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03 Sep 2005 01:26:37 PM |
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"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!! We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not stop there!!! I
think ALL criminals should be shot on the spot!!! get caught stealing
candy from a store? just shoot the person... get caught smoking a
joint? loitering? going through a red light? wearing your cap on
backwards? skip the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
Don't forget to shoot all those politicians who
steal taxpayer's money or divert it
onto their friends' bank accounts.
Thomas
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:46:27 AM |
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:26:37 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
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Don't forget to shoot all those politicians who
steal taxpayer's money or divert it
onto their friends' bank accounts.
That would require actually leveling the U.N. building...
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We cannot but be astonished at the ease with which men resign themselves
to ignorance about what is most important for them to know; and we may be
certain that they are determined to remain invincibly ignorant if they once
come to consider it as axiomatic that there are no absolute principles.
- Fredric Bastiat
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| User: "AlvinTChase" |
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03 Sep 2005 01:41:24 PM |
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
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"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh, yes, I agree. But, we have to go far beyond that!!! We should
shoot those looters right away!!! But please, let's not stop there!!! I
think ALL criminals should be shot on the spot!!! get caught stealing
candy from a store? just shoot the person... get caught smoking a
joint? loitering? going through a red light? wearing your cap on
backwards? skip the trial, just shoot the bum... We'll have a
great,civilized dictatorship... sounds wonderful to me...
Don't forget to shoot all those politicians who
steal taxpayer's money or divert it
onto their friends' bank accounts.
Thomas
Or how about Enron executives and the executives of other
corporations like that? no, stealing a few tv's after not having food
for several days is much worse then what those Ceo's did...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 01:47:53 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 11:41:24 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
Or how about Enron executives and the executives of other
corporations like that? no, stealing a few tv's after not having food
for several days is much worse then what those Ceo's did...
Well, yes it is. Are you even listening to yourself? Anyone who hasn't
eaten for days should be looking for food, not television sets.
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The fundamental evil of the world arose from the fact that the good Lord
has not created money enough.
- Heinrich Heine
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04 Sep 2005 04:25:11 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On 3 Sep 2005 11:41:24 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
Or how about Enron executives and the executives of other
corporations like that? no, stealing a few tv's after not having food
for several days is much worse then what those Ceo's did...
Well, yes it is. Are you even listening to yourself? Anyone who hasn't
eaten for days should be looking for food, not television sets.
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that's true, but stealing a few things from a store after what they
went through seems less serious then causing people to lose their jobs
and their life savings,as was the case with enron...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Sep 2005 06:47:43 PM |
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On 4 Sep 2005 14:25:11 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
On 3 Sep 2005 11:41:24 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
Or how about Enron executives and the executives of other
corporations like that? no, stealing a few tv's after not having food
for several days is much worse then what those Ceo's did...
Well, yes it is. Are you even listening to yourself? Anyone who hasn't
eaten for days should be looking for food, not television sets.
that's true, but stealing a few things from a store after what they
went through seems less serious then causing people to lose their jobs
and their life savings,as was the case with enron...
Looters *do* cause people to lose their jobs. You don't think the
corporate execs are the ones who lose, do you? No, it is the local workers
who lose if a store never opens again. It is the local poor who are hit
hardest by increased prices at a store that does open again. They are also
hit with higher insurance premiums. Somebody always pays, Alvin, and the
ones who pay are invariably the ones who can least afford it.
Keep in mind that white collar crime is not the sort of crime you discover
while it is being committed. It is discovered after the fact. It is also
non-violent, while looters are known to engage in all forms of
opportunistic crime.
That is the reason that people who rob liquor stores with a gun usually get
stiffer sentences than an accountant who embezzles money. The gun
constitutes an immediate threat to, and disregard for, the life of another
person. Immediate being the key term.
But hey, if you ever come upon a white collar criminal in the process of
embezzling millions, feel free to shoot him.
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SELF-EVIDENT, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else.
- Ambrose Bierce
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03 Sep 2005 07:26:47 AM |
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okay fine tvs and vcrs are one thing.. what if they are grabbing food and
baby supplies becuase they have none for their family?
"CPO Snarky" <snarky@gmail.net> wrote in message
news:Y2l0.1916f79eb1cc39b8c2d2bd0a35b9861f@1125727568.nulluser.com...
|I finally find something I can agree with CyberDrool on. Shoot the
| looters. We live in the Age of Entitlement. It's disgusting. Oh hey,
| I'm hungry and my kids are thirsty...let me help myself to a laptop
| computer, a DVD recorder, and a plasma TV. It's all good.
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| User: "Used2be" |
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03 Sep 2005 10:29:59 AM |
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"sorta lily again" <sotra.again@who> wrote in message
news:JIudnV9PfZMaC4TeRVn-sQ@rcn.net...
okay fine tvs and vcrs are one thing.. what if they are grabbing food and
baby supplies becuase they have none for their family?
what's sad is that the people who were stealing electronics were all going
right up to the tv cameras like they had nothing to be ashamed of, and the
women who were taking diapers and things for their families were trying to
hide their faces. i have no respect for the first group and all the respect
in the world for the 2nd. i'd be in that store grabbing diapers and food
for my family too if i had no other recourse!!!!
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04 Sep 2005 08:49:13 AM |
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Used2be <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"sorta lily again" <sotra.again@who> wrote in message
news:JIudnV9PfZMaC4TeRVn-sQ@rcn.net...
okay fine tvs and vcrs are one thing.. what if they are grabbing food and
baby supplies becuase they have none for their family?
what's sad is that the people who were stealing electronics were all going
right up to the tv cameras like they had nothing to be ashamed of, and the
women who were taking diapers and things for their families were trying to
hide their faces. i have no respect for the first group and all the respect
in the world for the 2nd. i'd be in that store grabbing diapers and food
for my family too if i had no other recourse!!!!
There's a certain amount of umm, staging or scripting in
the TV news. (Learned of it from a Walt Kelly cartoon)
So think of it. Someone who is willing to steal non necessities
is already shameless. The others are not.
Hope the cameras caught enough detail to nail some of
them. Is that possible?
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but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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04 Sep 2005 01:40:41 AM |
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:26:47 -0400, "sorta lily again" <sotra.again@who>
wrote:
okay fine tvs and vcrs are one thing.. what if they are grabbing food and
baby supplies becuase they have none for their family?
Few, if any, cops or guardsmen would ever shoot someone taking food, water,
medical supplies (other than narcotics), or clothes. They aim for the ones
breaking into electronics stores, jewelry stores, or the ones carrying
small safes or cash registers, etc.
Cops and guardsmen are human beings. It is also part of common law that
the taking of necessities during a catastrophe is generally overlooked,
provided those necessities are being taken from storage areas and not
physically taken from the possession of another person.
There is a similar theory in common law concerning emergencies. Say you
are in a car accident in a remote area and you walk to find a phone and
come upon a house where no one is home. Breaking in for the purpose of
using the phone or taking supplies for first aid is not considered to be a
criminal act.
If you also take a pile of cash left on the kitchen counter, then you
deserve to be shot.
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HERMIT, n. A person whose vices and follies are not sociable.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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04 Sep 2005 02:40:16 PM |
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On 2005-09-04, CyberDroog wrote:
Few, if any, cops or guardsmen would ever shoot someone taking food, water,
medical supplies (other than narcotics), or clothes. They aim for the ones
breaking into electronics stores, jewelry stores, or the ones carrying
small safes or cash registers, etc.
Not always.
"They killed a man here last night," Steve Banka, 28, told Reuters. "A
young lady was being raped and stabbed. And the sounds of her screaming
got to this man and so he ran out into the street to get help from troops,
to try to flag down a passing truck of them, and he jumped up on the
truck's windscreen and they shot him dead."
Wade Batiste, 48, recounted another tale of horror. "Last night at 8 p.m.
they shot a kid of just 16. He was just crossing the street. They ran him
over, the New Orleans police did, and then they got out of the car and
shot him in the head," Batiste said.
<http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03464940.htm>
Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the Pentagon's National Guard Bureau, said
two-thirds of the police in New Orleans have abandoned the force amid
horrific conditions.
<http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03590035.htm>
Elsewhere, needy people were following the law to get basic necessities.
Thousands of people crammed into the Superdome, which stunk of feces and
vomit, where they received food, water and medical care. At the Wal-Mart
on Tchoupitoulas Street, New Orleans police officers supervised an orderly
food-and-water distribution, although some of the cops were handing their
pals TVs and electronic merchandise that they could not even use because
of the citywide power outage.
New Orleans' poor did not have a monopoly on looting: even police officers
were getting into the act.
<http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-hurrdiary04.html>
Cops and guardsmen are human beings. It is also part of common law that
the taking of necessities during a catastrophe is generally overlooked,
provided those necessities are being taken from storage areas and not
physically taken from the possession of another person.
The looting of necessities is not overlooked by competent authorities.
Necessities are supposed to be gathered and properly distributed by need,
not grabbed by a free-for-all gagglefuck of pushy, greedy people. In a
flood or similar catastrophe, television sets don't matter for life and
death, but clean water and foodstuffs do.
There is a similar theory in common law concerning emergencies. Say you
are in a car accident in a remote area and you walk to find a phone and
come upon a house where no one is home. Breaking in for the purpose of
using the phone or taking supplies for first aid is not considered to be a
criminal act.
If you also take a pile of cash left on the kitchen counter, then you
deserve to be shot.
What if the money was needed for a kidney transplant? Or what if the
break-in was in Texas?
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The tongue, like a sharp knife,
kills without drawing blood.
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: Shooting looters in disaster zones? |
03 Sep 2005 08:06:39 AM |
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sorta lily again wrote:
okay fine tvs and vcrs are one thing.. what if they are grabbing food and
baby supplies becuase they have none for their family?
That's the problem with anarchy, the hats all get confused. If
there ever was an argument for law and order this has got to be it.
Law and order not only punishes the bad, it protects the
innocent. Of course there is a great debate to be had about who
is right and who is wrong in the area of law but when your baby
is starving you will do anything, even take the food off somebody
else's baby. When the law is gone people become the victims of
whoever is holding the gun or has the most power.
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