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"John" |
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19 Jun 2004 11:45:18 PM |
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So I got fired by my therapist |
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not sure what it means. I guess I was never able to impress him with
the level of pathology in my life.
When I got back from Kazakhstan, I thought for sure that I had a story to
tell him. Another couple and Kristina and I with our children had
negotiated a fare with a cab driver for a ride to a restaurant. 400
tenge--100 more than the going rate, but we decided, what the hell.
So he takes us to the wrong place. We observe this. He ponders. He
realizes where we want to go (or we think he does), and he announces he'll
take us there. But the fare will now be 500 tenge.
He takes us there. I extend a 500 tenge bill to him. He says, "One
thousand tenge!"
I say, "No!" and slam the bill down on his dash. He says, "This is a matter
for the police!" I register the fact that this is an interesting locution,
coming from a man who has not otherwise impressed us with his English, but I
don't dwell on that. Instead, I say, "Call the police!" And to my wife and
the couple in the backseat I say, "Get out of the car."
They comply. I slam the car doors shut as hard as I can. I look back at
the cab driver from the steps to the restaurant, and he's making the
international sign for "you're nuts"--making a circular motion at his temple
with his index finger.
This, I figure, for sure will impress my therapist with my anger management
problem. My wife, afterall, had told me later that it had been scary.
No such luck.
"How long did it last," he wants to know.
"I don't know. It was over as soon as we went in." I mean, it *was* over,
already.
He spends the next five minutes explaining to me how my behavior, if not a
rational reaction to circumstances, was at least an understandable one,
considering.
That's always been the way it is with him. I detail some scene, and he
tells me, basically, "Eh...that's life. No big deal."
I guess what it means is that the level of aggression and general mayhem in
my life is "standard," in some sense.
At the end of the last session, he told me he thought we could get by on
half hour sessions.
I suppose that's true. I went there because I want to be a better person.
I don't want the level of aggression and anger in my life that's there now
to remain there.
But I don't think therapy is set up to make you a better person. Maybe they
have more important things to do.
I dunno.
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| User: "JJ9691" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 12:30:53 PM |
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I got fired by my last therapist too, what a jerk, he even said to me, I don't
know as a parting shot or what, " If you really feel like killing yourself,
give me a call" like at that point I'm really going to pick up the phone, I
felt completely abandoned, It was bad time for me, I felt like I had flunked
therapy, like I wasn't even any good at being screwed up, I have only been
clinicly depressed half my life, jill
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 12:33:49 PM |
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"JJ9691" <jj9691@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040620133053.11581.00000222@mb-m11.aol.com...
I got fired by my last therapist too, what a jerk, he even said to me, I
don't
know as a parting shot or what, " If you really feel like killing
yourself,
give me a call" like at that point I'm really going to pick up the phone,
I
felt completely abandoned, It was bad time for me, I felt like I had
flunked
therapy, like I wasn't even any good at being screwed up, I have only
been
clinicly depressed half my life, jill
what did you do in the other half
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| User: "peace" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 08:52:36 AM |
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"John" <jjdamato@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in
news:yD8Bc.29642$Ha2.21814@twister.socal.rr.com:
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not sure what it means. I guess I was never able to
impress him with the level of pathology in my life.
When I got back from Kazakhstan, I thought for sure that I
had a story to tell him. Another couple and Kristina and I
with our children had negotiated a fare with a cab driver
for a ride to a restaurant. 400 tenge--100 more than the
going rate, but we decided, what the hell.
So he takes us to the wrong place. We observe this. He
ponders. He realizes where we want to go (or we think he
does), and he announces he'll take us there. But the fare
will now be 500 tenge.
He takes us there. I extend a 500 tenge bill to him. He
says, "One thousand tenge!"
I say, "No!" and slam the bill down on his dash. He says,
"This is a matter for the police!" I register the fact that
this is an interesting locution, coming from a man who has
not otherwise impressed us with his English, but I don't
dwell on that. Instead, I say, "Call the police!" And to
my wife and the couple in the backseat I say, "Get out of
the car."
They comply. I slam the car doors shut as hard as I can. I
look back at the cab driver from the steps to the
restaurant, and he's making the international sign for
"you're nuts"--making a circular motion at his temple with
his index finger.
This, I figure, for sure will impress my therapist with my
anger management problem. My wife, afterall, had told me
later that it had been scary.
No such luck.
"How long did it last," he wants to know.
"I don't know. It was over as soon as we went in." I mean,
it *was* over, already.
He spends the next five minutes explaining to me how my
behavior, if not a rational reaction to circumstances, was
at least an understandable one, considering.
That's always been the way it is with him. I detail some
scene, and he tells me, basically, "Eh...that's life. No
big deal."
I guess what it means is that the level of aggression and
general mayhem in my life is "standard," in some sense.
At the end of the last session, he told me he thought we
could get by on half hour sessions.
I suppose that's true. I went there because I want to be a
better person. I don't want the level of aggression and
anger in my life that's there now to remain there.
But I don't think therapy is set up to make you a better
person. Maybe they have more important things to do.
I dunno.
I think you handled that situation good. I don't think therapy
is supposed to MAKE you anything. Its more like a support tool.
There are also therapists that don't cut it. Have you seen
something about Mary? the therapist has the guy turn his chair,
while his back is turned and is still talking, the therapist
sneaks out to grab something to eat.
--
Peace
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 02:13:54 AM |
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John wrote:
"I don't know. It was over as soon as we went in." I mean, it *was*
over, already.
Hey! That is great.
At the end of the last session, he told me he thought we could get by on
half hour sessions.
Maybe. You did really well with the cab driver. You asserted yourself, did
what had to be done and then you let it go.
I suppose that's true. I went there because I want to be a better person.
I don't want the level of aggression and anger in my life that's there now
to remain there.
But I don't think therapy is set up to make you a better person. Maybe
they have more important things to do.
I dunno.
I think you're right that therapy is not set-up to make you a better person.
I think it is set-up just to make you well enough to get along.
Maybe you have to do what I did, look elsewhere. I went to religion, but
there are lots of ways.
They just fired me too, just last week. I'm off to vocational rehab now.
--
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 12:04:20 AM |
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John wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not sure what it means. I guess I was never able to impress him with
the level of pathology in my life.
When I got back from Kazakhstan, I thought for sure that I had a story to
tell him. Another couple and Kristina and I with our children had
negotiated a fare with a cab driver for a ride to a restaurant. 400
tenge--100 more than the going rate, but we decided, what the hell.
So he takes us to the wrong place. We observe this. He ponders. He
realizes where we want to go (or we think he does), and he announces he'll
take us there. But the fare will now be 500 tenge.
He takes us there. I extend a 500 tenge bill to him. He says, "One
thousand tenge!"
I say, "No!" and slam the bill down on his dash. He says, "This is a matter
for the police!" I register the fact that this is an interesting locution,
coming from a man who has not otherwise impressed us with his English, but I
don't dwell on that. Instead, I say, "Call the police!" And to my wife and
the couple in the backseat I say, "Get out of the car."
They comply. I slam the car doors shut as hard as I can. I look back at
the cab driver from the steps to the restaurant, and he's making the
international sign for "you're nuts"--making a circular motion at his temple
with his index finger.
This, I figure, for sure will impress my therapist with my anger management
problem. My wife, afterall, had told me later that it had been scary.
No such luck.
"How long did it last," he wants to know.
"I don't know. It was over as soon as we went in." I mean, it *was* over,
already.
He spends the next five minutes explaining to me how my behavior, if not a
rational reaction to circumstances, was at least an understandable one,
considering.
That's always been the way it is with him. I detail some scene, and he
tells me, basically, "Eh...that's life. No big deal."
I guess what it means is that the level of aggression and general mayhem in
my life is "standard," in some sense.
At the end of the last session, he told me he thought we could get by on
half hour sessions.
I suppose that's true. I went there because I want to be a better person.
I don't want the level of aggression and anger in my life that's there now
to remain there.
But I don't think therapy is set up to make you a better person. Maybe they
have more important things to do.
I dunno.
Maybe you're at the point where therapy can take you no further. It
seems to me you realize the gravity of the situations, but further
counseling cannot place you "in the moment" it can only prepare you for
the proper reaction...which it seems like you're already aware of, but
perhaps just not exercising properly.
I suppose I see the therapist as having made you aware of your
aggression and anger, but a therapist cannot control that. They can only
provide you with the faculties to realize this and respond appropriately.
You sound like you've learned, but the knowledge gained was that you are
the sole moderator of response.
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 01:46:25 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
That's not really the issue I had in mind.
"Franz Bestuchev" <fbestuchev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2jkk6mF129plaU1@uni-berlin.de...
John wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not sure what it means. I guess I was never able to impress him
with
the level of pathology in my life.
When I got back from Kazakhstan, I thought for sure that I had a story
to
tell him. Another couple and Kristina and I with our children had
negotiated a fare with a cab driver for a ride to a restaurant. 400
tenge--100 more than the going rate, but we decided, what the hell.
So he takes us to the wrong place. We observe this. He ponders. He
realizes where we want to go (or we think he does), and he announces
he'll
take us there. But the fare will now be 500 tenge.
He takes us there. I extend a 500 tenge bill to him. He says, "One
thousand tenge!"
I say, "No!" and slam the bill down on his dash. He says, "This is a
matter
for the police!" I register the fact that this is an interesting
locution,
coming from a man who has not otherwise impressed us with his English,
but I
don't dwell on that. Instead, I say, "Call the police!" And to my wife
and
the couple in the backseat I say, "Get out of the car."
They comply. I slam the car doors shut as hard as I can. I look back
at
the cab driver from the steps to the restaurant, and he's making the
international sign for "you're nuts"--making a circular motion at his
temple
with his index finger.
This, I figure, for sure will impress my therapist with my anger
management
problem. My wife, afterall, had told me later that it had been scary.
No such luck.
"How long did it last," he wants to know.
"I don't know. It was over as soon as we went in." I mean, it *was*
over,
already.
He spends the next five minutes explaining to me how my behavior, if not
a
rational reaction to circumstances, was at least an understandable one,
considering.
That's always been the way it is with him. I detail some scene, and he
tells me, basically, "Eh...that's life. No big deal."
I guess what it means is that the level of aggression and general mayhem
in
my life is "standard," in some sense.
At the end of the last session, he told me he thought we could get by on
half hour sessions.
I suppose that's true. I went there because I want to be a better
person.
I don't want the level of aggression and anger in my life that's there
now
to remain there.
But I don't think therapy is set up to make you a better person. Maybe
they
have more important things to do.
I dunno.
Maybe you're at the point where therapy can take you no further. It
seems to me you realize the gravity of the situations, but further
counseling cannot place you "in the moment" it can only prepare you for
the proper reaction...which it seems like you're already aware of, but
perhaps just not exercising properly.
I suppose I see the therapist as having made you aware of your
aggression and anger, but a therapist cannot control that. They can only
provide you with the faculties to realize this and respond appropriately.
You sound like you've learned, but the knowledge gained was that you are
the sole moderator of response.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 02:12:45 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
John wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not sure what it means. I guess I was never able to impress him with
the level of pathology in my life.
When I got back from Kazakhstan, I thought for sure that I had a story to
tell him. Another couple and Kristina and I with our children had
negotiated a fare with a cab driver for a ride to a restaurant. 400
tenge--100 more than the going rate, but we decided, what the hell.
So he takes us to the wrong place. We observe this. He ponders. He
realizes where we want to go (or we think he does), and he announces he'll
take us there. But the fare will now be 500 tenge.
He takes us there. I extend a 500 tenge bill to him. He says, "One
thousand tenge!"
I say, "No!" and slam the bill down on his dash. He says, "This is a matter
for the police!" I register the fact that this is an interesting locution,
coming from a man who has not otherwise impressed us with his English, but I
don't dwell on that. Instead, I say, "Call the police!" And to my wife and
the couple in the backseat I say, "Get out of the car."
They comply. I slam the car doors shut as hard as I can. I look back at
the cab driver from the steps to the restaurant, and he's making the
international sign for "you're nuts"--making a circular motion at his temple
with his index finger.
This, I figure, for sure will impress my therapist with my anger management
problem. My wife, afterall, had told me later that it had been scary.
No such luck.
"How long did it last," he wants to know.
"I don't know. It was over as soon as we went in." I mean, it *was* over,
already.
He spends the next five minutes explaining to me how my behavior, if not a
rational reaction to circumstances, was at least an understandable one,
considering.
That's always been the way it is with him. I detail some scene, and he
tells me, basically, "Eh...that's life. No big deal."
I guess what it means is that the level of aggression and general mayhem in
my life is "standard," in some sense.
At the end of the last session, he told me he thought we could get by on
half hour sessions.
I suppose that's true. I went there because I want to be a better person.
I don't want the level of aggression and anger in my life that's there now
to remain there.
But I don't think therapy is set up to make you a better person. Maybe they
have more important things to do.
I dunno.
Bizarre. My experience with therapy is the opposite. They're more than
happy to take your $. I even got marketing crap from a therapist I had
seen before who was going out on her own a couple years later.
Why do you think your anger is a problem if he doesn't think so? I
mean, the story you gave, based on that alone, I have to agree with the
therapist. It sounds like you were being assertive. You seem like a
really laid back, low key guy to me. Do you have explosive episodes or
something?
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| User: "peace" |
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| Title: Re: So I got fired by my therapist |
20 Jun 2004 08:47:50 AM |
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Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in
news:40D538EB.3090904@comcast.net:
x-no-archive: yes
John wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not sure what it means. I guess I was never able to
impress him with the level of pathology in my life.
When I got back from Kazakhstan, I thought for sure that I
had a story to tell him. Another couple and Kristina and I
with our children had negotiated a fare with a cab driver
for a ride to a restaurant. 400 tenge--100 more than the
going rate, but we decided, what the hell.
So he takes us to the wrong place. We observe this. He
ponders. He realizes where we want to go (or we think he
does), and he announces he'll take us there. But the fare
will now be 500 tenge.
He takes us there. I extend a 500 tenge bill to him. He
says, "One thousand tenge!"
I say, "No!" and slam the bill down on his dash. He says,
"This is a matter for the police!" I register the fact
that this is an interesting locution, coming from a man who
has not otherwise impressed us with his English, but I
don't dwell on that. Instead, I say, "Call the police!"
And to my wife and the couple in the backseat I say, "Get
out of the car."
They comply. I slam the car doors shut as hard as I can.
I look back at the cab driver from the steps to the
restaurant, and he's making the international sign for
"you're nuts"--making a circular motion at his temple with
his index finger.
This, I figure, for sure will impress my therapist with my
anger management problem. My wife, afterall, had told me
later that it had been scary.
No such luck.
"How long did it last," he wants to know.
"I don't know. It was over as soon as we went in." I
mean, it *was* over, already.
He spends the next five minutes explaining to me how my
behavior, if not a rational reaction to circumstances, was
at least an understandable one, considering.
That's always been the way it is with him. I detail some
scene, and he tells me, basically, "Eh...that's life. No
big deal."
I guess what it means is that the level of aggression and
general mayhem in my life is "standard," in some sense.
At the end of the last session, he told me he thought we
could get by on half hour sessions.
I suppose that's true. I went there because I want to be a
better person. I don't want the level of aggression and
anger in my life that's there now to remain there.
But I don't think therapy is set up to make you a better
person. Maybe they have more important things to do.
I dunno.
Bizarre. My experience with therapy is the opposite.
They're more than happy to take your $. I even got
marketing crap from a therapist I had seen before who was
going out on her own a couple years later.
Why do you think your anger is a problem if he doesn't think
so? I mean, the story you gave, based on that alone, I have
to agree with the therapist. It sounds like you were being
assertive. You seem like a really laid back, low key guy to
me. Do you have explosive episodes or something?
the guy practically wrote a post about his experience, now if
it was the usual attitude towards such situations, then he
wouldn't have considered bringing it to the therapist or
posting it here i assume.
--
Peace
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