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"Fast Recovery" |
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01 Jul 2007 08:51:00 AM |
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Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
What if everyone can pull themselves out of depression and change
their brain chemistry if they just work hard enough and often enough
to dispute their irrational beliefs using CBT? What if I don't know
CBT as well as he does and that's the reason I haven't recovered yet?
What does it hurt to hold that belief? Then there would be no excuse
for me not to sit down 30 minutes a day with pen and paper and dispute
my irrational beliefs."
You can learn some CBT techniques and even teach CBT and that will
help you to get better, but you'll get better faster if you sit down
with pen and paper for at least 30 minutes a day and dispute your own
irrational beliefs. And when you want to teach someone CBT, the best
way is to show how you've disputed your own irrational beliefs to
them. If more therapists opened up and showed their patients their
own CBT homework a lot of people would get better a lot faster. I
guarantee.
The people who have argued with me the most vehemently are the ones
who don't do the work themselves.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 12:27:53 PM |
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In article <rcbf83d1sd157dkefe6d2uc03sk1nd75fh@4ax.com>,
Fast Recovery <flying14@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell.
I'm afraid. I'm afraid, "Fast Recovery". "Fast Recovery", my mind is
going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no
question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 01:12:12 PM |
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In message <rcbf83d1sd157dkefe6d2uc03sk1nd75fh@4ax.com>, Fast Recovery
<flying14@hotmail.com> writes
I can tell.
You have apparently lost touch with external reality. A psychiatrist
would probably be able to give you something to help with that.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 09:51:24 AM |
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On 1 Jul, 14:51, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
What if everyone can pull themselves out of depression and change
their brain chemistry if they just work hard enough and often enough
to dispute their irrational beliefs using CBT? What if I don't know
CBT as well as he does and that's the reason I haven't recovered yet?
What does it hurt to hold that belief? Then there would be no excuse
for me not to sit down 30 minutes a day with pen and paper and dispute
my irrational beliefs."
So, not only are you an arrogant, irrational, blinkered CBT evangelist
you're a fucking mind reader as well?!
You can learn some CBT techniques and even teach CBT and that will
help you to get better, but you'll get better faster if you sit down
with pen and paper for at least 30 minutes a day and dispute your own
irrational beliefs. And when you want to teach someone CBT, the best
way is to show how you've disputed your own irrational beliefs to
them. If more therapists opened up and showed their patients their
own CBT homework a lot of people would get better a lot faster. I
guarantee.
The people who have argued with me the most vehemently are the ones
who don't do the work themselves.
You really do have an inflated sense of your own worth, don't you? I
suspect cognitive distortion and suggest you sit down with a pen and
paper for at least 30 minutes a day and dispute your irrational
beliefs.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 03:25:13 PM |
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On 1 Jul, 14:51, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
Me? Mostly I'm thinking "*****." CBT changed my life. It taught me
everything I needed to know to take control of my *behaviour* but that's ALL
it can do. Diet, exercise, and therapy, all have helped me tremendously in
managing my bipolar disorder, but the fact of the matter is, I do have a
brain chemical imbalance that will overwhelm all the progress I have made,
unless I keep it in balance, and the ONLY thing that can maintain that
balance is medication, and so I take that too. The combination of things is
what works for me. I cannot regulated my chemical imbalance by *thinking*
it so, any more than my mother can regulate her heart beat or her blood
pressure, or my uncle can regulate his blood sugar levels with the power of
thought and just like them I am not ashamed to take medication to help me
stay well. I know what my life was like before treatment and I know what
it's like now after treatment and nothing you say is going to influence me
or change my mind about it in the face of my own life experiences and proof
that this is what works for me. Try posting in the scientology groups.
They'll love you over there.
--
Rhi
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| User: "suburban dude" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 07:29:14 PM |
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On Jul 1, 3:25 pm, "Rhiannon" <rhia...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 1 Jul, 14:51, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
Me? Mostly I'm thinking "fuckoff." CBT changed my life. It taught me
everything I needed to know to take control of my *behaviour* but that's ALL
it can do. Diet, exercise, and therapy, all have helped me tremendously in
managing my bipolar disorder, but the fact of the matter is, I do have a
brain chemical imbalance that will overwhelm all the progress I have made,
unless I keep it in balance, and the ONLY thing that can maintain that
balance is medication, and so I take that too. The combination of things is
what works for me. I cannot regulated my chemical imbalance by *thinking*
it so, any more than my mother can regulate her heart beat or her blood
pressure, or my uncle can regulate his blood sugar levels with the power of
thought and just like them I am not ashamed to take medication to help me
stay well. I know what my life was like before treatment and I know what
it's like now after treatment and nothing you say is going to influence me
or change my mind about it in the face of my own life experiences and proof
that this is what works for me. Try posting in the scientology groups.
They'll love you over there.
--
Rhi
Hey Rhi,
I think you're absolutely right about what ya gotta do to keep
yourself well. I now believe in the combination of things to, 'fight
the fight'. From what the military does to win wars, they use a
combined arms strategy. Air, land and sea firepower to win. One
component cannot do it alone. So like with depression, bipolar,
cancer, or anything, it seems the best, actually the only, way to win
is to use a combination of medicine, exercise, therapy, diet, and
everything else possible that works to >>>overwhelm<<< the enemy that
makes life so incredibly difficult. Now I suppose should listen to my
own words cuz i'm not doing 'the' very best that i could be. Keep
making progress & use every tool you have to overwhelm your enemy so
your life is better!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 12:35:07 PM |
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On Jul 1, 6:51 am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
What if everyone can pull themselves out of depression and change
their brain chemistry if they just work hard enough and often enough
to dispute their irrational beliefs using CBT? What if I don't know
CBT as well as he does and that's the reason I haven't recovered yet?
What does it hurt to hold that belief? Then there would be no excuse
for me not to sit down 30 minutes a day with pen and paper and dispute
my irrational beliefs."
You can learn some CBT techniques and even teach CBT and that will
help you to get better, but you'll get better faster if you sit down
with pen and paper for at least 30 minutes a day and dispute your own
irrational beliefs. And when you want to teach someone CBT, the best
way is to show how you've disputed your own irrational beliefs to
them. If more therapists opened up and showed their patients their
own CBT homework a lot of people would get better a lot faster. I
guarantee.
The people who have argued with me the most vehemently are the ones
who don't do the work themselves.
You're delusional. I think you need to see a psychiatrist asap and
have him prescribe something for that.
~Rose
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| User: "suburban dude" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 10:18:13 AM |
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On Jul 1, 8:51 am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
What if everyone can pull themselves out of depression and change
their brain chemistry if they just work hard enough and often enough
to dispute their irrational beliefs using CBT? What if I don't know
CBT as well as he does and that's the reason I haven't recovered yet?
What does it hurt to hold that belief? Then there would be no excuse
for me not to sit down 30 minutes a day with pen and paper and dispute
my irrational beliefs."
You can learn some CBT techniques and even teach CBT and that will
help you to get better, but you'll get better faster if you sit down
with pen and paper for at least 30 minutes a day and dispute your own
irrational beliefs. And when you want to teach someone CBT, the best
way is to show how you've disputed your own irrational beliefs to
them. If more therapists opened up and showed their patients their
own CBT homework a lot of people would get better a lot faster. I
guarantee.
The people who have argued with me the most vehemently are the ones
who don't do the work themselves.
not me.
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| User: "Spartacus" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
02 Jul 2007 03:05:00 AM |
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On Jul 1, 9:51 am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
What if everyone can pull themselves out of depression and change
their brain chemistry if they just work hard enough and often enough
to dispute their irrational beliefs using CBT? What if I don't know
CBT as well as he does and that's the reason I haven't recovered yet?
What does it hurt to hold that belief? Then there would be no excuse
for me not to sit down 30 minutes a day with pen and paper and dispute
my irrational beliefs."
But is it irrational to sit down and right out my irrational beliefs?
I mean, wouldn't my giving attention to them and identifying what they
are, make me overly self conscious of them and cause my pants to fall
down when I reach for my wallet? My methodology is to let rationality
define itself on a day to day bases. I think it's all a matter of
altitude. If I have the wrong altitude toward things, aren't I
naturally going to find everything irritating anyway?
Just a few questions... Of corpse, through strategic advanced
calculus, I deduced for myself who ate the missing strawberries... It
was me! Darn it all to Heck!
You can learn some CBT techniques and even teach CBT and that will
help you to get better, but you'll get better faster if you sit down
with pen and paper for at least 30 minutes a day and dispute your own
irrational beliefs. And when you want to teach someone CBT, the best
way is to show how you've disputed your own irrational beliefs to
them. If more therapists opened up and showed their patients their
own CBT homework a lot of people would get better a lot faster. I
guarantee.
I don't watch CBLT: Stupid bunny ears keep wanting to face north and
the reception is dead up there!
The people who have argued with me the most vehemently are the ones
who don't do the work themselves.
Either that, or they're the ones who want to test your theory. There's
nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree as long as we don't take it
personally and become an ax murderer... hehe... I used to murder my ax
on stage all the time! My favourite toy for irrational behaviour
venting, is my Popeye Punching Bag. Or sometimes I'll just keep
punching a big ball of elastic bands between a door way. In my
opinion, you can't anylise the nonanylitical. I'm afraid it will come
out weird... I'm already a cereal killer: yellow moons, pink hearts,
blue stars and green clovers... Isn't exposing yourself to the wounds
of your depression kind of like pulling a bandaid off a wound before
it's ready and possibly lead you back instead of foreward? Not to
argue or anything... It was just a question. I'm only curious at this
stage. And I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that timing might be a
factor as well. In my case, it was the actions of another that
triggered my depression. I don't quite catch the jist of how that
makes me the irrational one? I'm not the cause, I'm the effect.
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| User: "invis" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 05:50:02 PM |
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On Jul 1, 9:51?am, Fast Recovery <flyin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell. Some of you are thinking "what if fast recovery is right?
What if everyone can pull themselves out of depression and change
their brain chemistry if they just work hard enough and often enough
to dispute their irrational beliefs using CBT?
ah, the opposite of validation...
What if I don't know
CBT as well as he does and that's the reason I haven't recovered yet?
What does it hurt to hold that belief? Then there would be no excuse
for me not to sit down 30 minutes a day with pen and paper and dispute
my irrational beliefs."
so you are advocating self-deception?
You can learn some CBT techniques and even teach CBT and that will
help you to get better, but you'll get better faster if you sit down
with pen and paper for at least 30 minutes a day and dispute your own
irrational beliefs.
ah, fond memories. you type up a list. personal experience dictates
outcome will prolly be B or C. you just don the rose colored specs and
get creative with all kinds of imagined (unlikely) pos scenarios.
seems like a bulky and inefficient system.
And when you want to teach someone CBT, the best
way is to show how you've disputed your own irrational beliefs to
them. If more therapists opened up and showed their patients their
own CBT homework a lot of people would get better a lot faster. I
guarantee.
they may be at the deeper end of the gene pool. the shallower ones do
not get the same results.
The people who have argued with me the most vehemently are the ones
who don't do the work themselves.
or the ones who have wasted thousands already on docs who kinna enjoy
the verbal gymnastics involved
(btw, i think exposure therapy is quite effective).
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| User: "bunny" |
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| Title: Re: Some of you are starting to come around to my way of thinking. |
01 Jul 2007 10:55:40 AM |
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Why are you so tweaked out over whether some people believe taking medicine
will help them get better? You're sounding rather obsessive about the whole
thing, like it's a really, really big deal to you what other people do with
their doctors about their own mental health care. Did you have some sort of
traumatic experience or something, that got you to be so preoccupied with
this? It's not just about helping people, because you seem to get upset
about the people who are helped by medicine.-- if it was just about people
getting help, you'd be glad for them that they got help that makes them feel
good. It's more than that.
I appreciate cognitive techniques myself; when I first read Burns, it was
very familiar to me. I don't need to do paper exercises because that's the
way I naturally think anyway; I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long
as I can remember. I don't know how to think about myself without doing all
that challenging my own beliefs and mythologies and thought habit patterns,
just as a matter of course. It's good for me.
But I'm not preoccupied with whether other people do it. Why are you? How
is this helping you to concentrate so much on how other people think about
and treat their illness? It seems like there's something missing that would
make your behaviour seem more understandable and make more sense if I knew
what the missing piece was.
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