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User: "CyberDroog"
Date: 11 May 2006 11:18:28 AM
Object: Star-Spangled Silliness
From The Liberator Online:
Star-Spangled Silliness
Anti-immigration forces went ballistic recently about the hit song "Nuestro
Himno," a Spanish-language adaptation of "The Star-Spangled Banner."
Indeed, the weirdly fierce hysteria over the song even reached the White
House, where President Bush felt compelled to assert that "the national
anthem ought to be sung in English."
Some prominent Congressional doofuses quickly went further. Senator Lamar
Alexander (R-TN), joined by a gaggle of other senators, introduced a
nonbinding resolution proclaiming that the national anthem, along with
various other patriotic statements and songs, "should be recited or sung in
English."
Amazingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, the U.S. Senate quickly *passed*
it -- unanimously. A similar measure has been introduced in the House.
It's nice to know that, even though Congress can't be troubled to deal with
out- of-control spending, a frightening federal assault on fundamental
civil liberties, and similar minor matters, they can always be counted upon
to take quick action on the really *important* issues.
Now, the rest of the story.
It turns out that there were no less than four Spanish translations of "The
Star-Spangled Banner" already on the U.S. State Department's Web site when
all this controversy erupted. Indeed, the U.S. government published a
Spanish version as far back as 1919. Versions in German, French, Yiddish
and other languages were commissioned by the government decades ago and are
available, too.
So it seems that, for nearly a century, the U.S. government has had no
trouble at all with the idea of folks singing "The Star-Spangled Banner" in
other languages. Indeed, the government has funded it and encouraged it.
Further, there are eyewitness accounts that President Bush himself, while
running in 2000, sang "The Star-Spangled Banner" in Spanish to woo Hispanic
voters. Bush now denies that, saying his Spanish is so poor he would be
incapable of doing that. (Given his well-publicized troubles with the
English language, one is inclined to believe him.)
As for Senator Lamar Alexander, a few years ago, when bilingual education
was more popular with voters, he was a strong opponent of "English only"
policies.
Indeed, in 1995 he stated: "My dream is that every child in America grows
up learning two languages." Just don't try *singing* in more than one of
them, kids.
And what about America's first national motto, still enshrined on the
national seal -- E Pluribus Unum? When are we going to do something about
that?
Finally, someone needs to point out to our rulers that the Pledge of
Allegiance was written by an avowed socialist, Francis Bellamy, who said he
hoped it would help American schoolchildren embrace state socialism.
Resolutions, anyone?
(Sources: http://www.reason.com/links/links050806.shtml
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060504102609990019&ncid=NWS00
010000000001
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2MDcmZmdiZWw3Zjd2
cWVlRUV5eTY5MzI3MzkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-
0605080165may08,1,1768147.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1281
--
PATIENCE, n. A minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue.
- Ambrose Bierce
.

User: "Ivan Marsh"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 12 May 2006 11:24:38 AM
On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:18:28 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

From The Liberator Online:

It turns out that there were no less than four Spanish translations of
"The Star-Spangled Banner" already on the U.S. State Department's Web
site when all this controversy erupted. Indeed, the U.S. government
published a Spanish version as far back as 1919. Versions in German,
French, Yiddish and other languages were commissioned by the government
decades ago and are available, too.

I read about this a while back... what do they say about people who don't
remember history?
--
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 12 May 2006 02:43:34 PM
In message <pan.2006.05.12.16.24.38.729148@you.now>, Ivan Marsh
<annoyed@you.now> writes

On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:18:28 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

From The Liberator Online:

It turns out that there were no less than four Spanish translations of
"The Star-Spangled Banner" already on the U.S. State Department's Web
site when all this controversy erupted. Indeed, the U.S. government
published a Spanish version as far back as 1919. Versions in German,
French, Yiddish and other languages were commissioned by the government
decades ago and are available, too.


I read about this a while back... what do they say about people who don't
remember history?

Perhaps they say that people who do remember history don't become
politicians.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.

User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 12 May 2006 03:56:31 PM
On Fri, 12 May 2006 11:24:38 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:18:28 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

From The Liberator Online:

It turns out that there were no less than four Spanish translations of
"The Star-Spangled Banner" already on the U.S. State Department's Web
site when all this controversy erupted. Indeed, the U.S. government
published a Spanish version as far back as 1919. Versions in German,
French, Yiddish and other languages were commissioned by the government
decades ago and are available, too.


I read about this a while back... what do they say about people who don't
remember history?

I don't recall...
--
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
.


User: "Bacon"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 11 May 2006 11:43:51 AM
On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:18:28 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:

From The Liberator Online:

Star-Spangled Silliness

Anti-immigration forces went ballistic recently about the hit song "Nuestro
Himno," a Spanish-language adaptation of "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Indeed, the weirdly fierce hysteria over the song even reached the White
House, where President Bush felt compelled to assert that "the national
anthem ought to be sung in English."

Some prominent Congressional doofuses quickly went further. Senator Lamar
Alexander (R-TN), joined by a gaggle of other senators, introduced a
nonbinding resolution proclaiming that the national anthem, along with
various other patriotic statements and songs, "should be recited or sung in
English."

Amazingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, the U.S. Senate quickly *passed*
it -- unanimously. A similar measure has been introduced in the House.

It's nice to know that, even though Congress can't be troubled to deal with
out- of-control spending, a frightening federal assault on fundamental
civil liberties, and similar minor matters, they can always be counted upon
to take quick action on the really *important* issues.

Now, the rest of the story.

It turns out that there were no less than four Spanish translations of "The
Star-Spangled Banner" already on the U.S. State Department's Web site when
all this controversy erupted. Indeed, the U.S. government published a
Spanish version as far back as 1919. Versions in German, French, Yiddish
and other languages were commissioned by the government decades ago and are
available, too.

So it seems that, for nearly a century, the U.S. government has had no
trouble at all with the idea of folks singing "The Star-Spangled Banner" in
other languages. Indeed, the government has funded it and encouraged it.

Further, there are eyewitness accounts that President Bush himself, while
running in 2000, sang "The Star-Spangled Banner" in Spanish to woo Hispanic
voters. Bush now denies that, saying his Spanish is so poor he would be
incapable of doing that. (Given his well-publicized troubles with the
English language, one is inclined to believe him.)

As for Senator Lamar Alexander, a few years ago, when bilingual education
was more popular with voters, he was a strong opponent of "English only"
policies.
Indeed, in 1995 he stated: "My dream is that every child in America grows
up learning two languages." Just don't try *singing* in more than one of
them, kids.

And what about America's first national motto, still enshrined on the
national seal -- E Pluribus Unum? When are we going to do something about
that?

Finally, someone needs to point out to our rulers that the Pledge of
Allegiance was written by an avowed socialist, Francis Bellamy, who said he
hoped it would help American schoolchildren embrace state socialism.
Resolutions, anyone?

(Sources: http://www.reason.com/links/links050806.shtml
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060504102609990019&ncid=NWS00
010000000001
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2MDcmZmdiZWw3Zjd2
cWVlRUV5eTY5MzI3MzkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-
0605080165may08,1,1768147.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1281

Damn politicians, rush to vote yay so as not to appear unpatriotic to
their constituents. Let 'em focus all their time on non-issues like
this, they never effect any meaningful change anyway. The Georgia
state flag design was debated for years while I was living there,
unknown amounts of cash vaporized in the process as the design went
back and forth several times. I couldn't pick either version out in a
lineup. And there's always the mission critical flag burning issue.
Pick a side and have arguments of intensity comparable to the abortion
debate.
I completely ignore politics. I couldn't tell you the name's of my
state senators or any representatives, governors, mayors, etc. It's
never seemed to hurt me. One thing I've never understood is that
check box on your tax form about donating $1 to the presidential
election campaign. It doesn't impact your tax due. Well where the
hell does the money come from - it has to come from the taxpayers
somewhere along the way, fine, it's only $1 but the source of the
contribution is not disclosed and the implication is that it's a
freebie and you should feel guilty for checking No.
Hell, I don't even know all the English words to the Star-Spangled
Banner or really even what war it related to, WWII? In my opinion the
ritual is overly dramatic and overdone, just play ball already. Now,
I can tell you who the remaining tribe memebers on Survivor are. God,
I'm a typical clueless American, no wonder we're so well respected.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 12 May 2006 11:31:49 AM
Bacon wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:18:28 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:

From The Liberator Online:

Star-Spangled Silliness

Anti-immigration forces went ballistic recently about the hit song "Nuestro
Himno," a Spanish-language adaptation of "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Indeed, the weirdly fierce hysteria over the song even reached the White
House, where President Bush felt compelled to assert that "the national
anthem ought to be sung in English."

Some prominent Congressional doofuses quickly went further. Senator Lamar
Alexander (R-TN), joined by a gaggle of other senators, introduced a
nonbinding resolution proclaiming that the national anthem, along with
various other patriotic statements and songs, "should be recited or sung in
English."

Amazingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, the U.S. Senate quickly *passed*
it -- unanimously. A similar measure has been introduced in the House.

It's nice to know that, even though Congress can't be troubled to deal with
out- of-control spending, a frightening federal assault on fundamental
civil liberties, and similar minor matters, they can always be counted upon
to take quick action on the really *important* issues.

Now, the rest of the story.

It turns out that there were no less than four Spanish translations of "The
Star-Spangled Banner" already on the U.S. State Department's Web site when
all this controversy erupted. Indeed, the U.S. government published a
Spanish version as far back as 1919. Versions in German, French, Yiddish
and other languages were commissioned by the government decades ago and are
available, too.

So it seems that, for nearly a century, the U.S. government has had no
trouble at all with the idea of folks singing "The Star-Spangled Banner" in
other languages. Indeed, the government has funded it and encouraged it.

Further, there are eyewitness accounts that President Bush himself, while
running in 2000, sang "The Star-Spangled Banner" in Spanish to woo Hispanic
voters. Bush now denies that, saying his Spanish is so poor he would be
incapable of doing that. (Given his well-publicized troubles with the
English language, one is inclined to believe him.)

As for Senator Lamar Alexander, a few years ago, when bilingual education
was more popular with voters, he was a strong opponent of "English only"
policies.
Indeed, in 1995 he stated: "My dream is that every child in America grows
up learning two languages." Just don't try *singing* in more than one of
them, kids.

And what about America's first national motto, still enshrined on the
national seal -- E Pluribus Unum? When are we going to do something about
that?

Finally, someone needs to point out to our rulers that the Pledge of
Allegiance was written by an avowed socialist, Francis Bellamy, who said he
hoped it would help American schoolchildren embrace state socialism.
Resolutions, anyone?

(Sources: http://www.reason.com/links/links050806.shtml
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060504102609990019&ncid=NWS00
010000000001
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2MDcmZmdiZWw3Zjd2
cWVlRUV5eTY5MzI3MzkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXky
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-
0605080165may08,1,1768147.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1281


Damn politicians, rush to vote yay so as not to appear unpatriotic to
their constituents. Let 'em focus all their time on non-issues like
this, they never effect any meaningful change anyway. The Georgia
state flag design was debated for years while I was living there,
unknown amounts of cash vaporized in the process as the design went
back and forth several times. I couldn't pick either version out in a
lineup. And there's always the mission critical flag burning issue.
Pick a side and have arguments of intensity comparable to the abortion
debate.

I completely ignore politics. I couldn't tell you the name's of my
state senators or any representatives, governors, mayors, etc. It's
never seemed to hurt me. One thing I've never understood is that
check box on your tax form about donating $1 to the presidential
election campaign. It doesn't impact your tax due. Well where the
hell does the money come from - it has to come from the taxpayers
somewhere along the way, fine, it's only $1 but the source of the
contribution is not disclosed and the implication is that it's a
freebie and you should feel guilty for checking No.

Hell, I don't even know all the English words to the Star-Spangled
Banner or really even what war it related to, WWII? In my opinion the
ritual is overly dramatic and overdone, just play ball already. Now,
I can tell you who the remaining tribe memebers on Survivor are. God,
I'm a typical clueless American, no wonder we're so well respected.

patriotism itself is ridiculous. So is the flag, the star spangled
banner, and the pledge of allegiance... the only thing that should be
respected is planet earth, the solar system, the galaxies and the
universe...
-"jordie"
.
User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 12 May 2006 03:57:26 PM
On 12 May 2006 09:31:49 -0700,
wrote:

patriotism itself is ridiculous. So is the flag, the star spangled
banner, and the pledge of allegiance... the only thing that should be
respected is planet earth, the solar system, the galaxies and the
universe...

You say that, and yet you still lock the door to your apartment.
--
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly
teaches me to suspect that my own is also.
- Mark Twain
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 13 May 2006 11:31:07 AM
CyberDroog wrote:

On 12 May 2006 09:31:49 -0700,

wrote:

patriotism itself is ridiculous. So is the flag, the star spangled
banner, and the pledge of allegiance... the only thing that should be
respected is planet earth, the solar system, the galaxies and the
universe...


You say that, and yet you still lock the door to your apartment.

--

you're right... I should not lock my door... We all should keep our
doors open, I guess...
-"jordie"
.
User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 13 May 2006 04:45:07 PM
On 13 May 2006 09:31:07 -0700,
wrote:

CyberDroog wrote:

On 12 May 2006 09:31:49 -0700,

wrote:

patriotism itself is ridiculous. So is the flag, the star spangled
banner, and the pledge of allegiance... the only thing that should be
respected is planet earth, the solar system, the galaxies and the
universe...


You say that, and yet you still lock the door to your apartment.

--

you're right... I should not lock my door... We all should keep our
doors open, I guess...

I hope you aren't serious... I wouldn't want to be responsible for the
Rockettes invading your apartment and raping you some night. Or the
Chipendales dancers as the case may be. Hey, what is the story with that? I
have seen some references but not enough to figure it out. Are you just
experimenting?
Anyway, the point is that countries tend to lock their borders for the same
reason that individuals lock their doors.
We'll probably lock our atmosphere once we find extraterrestrial life.
As above, so below.
--
It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish.
- Aeschylus
.

User: "slunky"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 13 May 2006 11:33:35 AM
_/
wrote \_

you're right... I should not lock my door... We all should keep our
doors open, I guess...

I use two deadbolts, the doorknob lock, and a hotel lock on my door at
all times. I also have locks on my windows. I used to keep a cactus
inside the house in front of the window.
--
-slunky
.
User: "Bacon"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 13 May 2006 11:54:22 AM
On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:33:35 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org>
wrote:

_/

wrote \_

you're right... I should not lock my door... We all should keep our
doors open, I guess...


I use two deadbolts, the doorknob lock, and a hotel lock on my door at
all times. I also have locks on my windows. I used to keep a cactus
inside the house in front of the window.

Most deadbolts on apartments I've lived in are secured with 2 small
screws to the molding. A light kick is all it takes. I buy a new
setup with the long screws you drive into the frame of the wall. Now
it takes a swift kick...make the crooks show a little effort at least.
.
User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 13 May 2006 04:45:58 PM
On Sat, 13 May 2006 11:54:22 -0500, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:33:35 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org>
wrote:

_/

wrote \_

you're right... I should not lock my door... We all should keep our
doors open, I guess...


I use two deadbolts, the doorknob lock, and a hotel lock on my door at
all times. I also have locks on my windows. I used to keep a cactus
inside the house in front of the window.


Most deadbolts on apartments I've lived in are secured with 2 small
screws to the molding. A light kick is all it takes. I buy a new
setup with the long screws you drive into the frame of the wall. Now
it takes a swift kick...make the crooks show a little effort at least.

I prefer metal door frames.
--
At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled
children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and
useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.
- P.J. O'Rourke
.
User: "slunky"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 13 May 2006 10:53:25 PM
_/ CyberDroog wrote \_

I prefer metal door frames.

Me too. and metal doors. When I get a house, I would like shatterproof
windows like in big buildings.
--
-slunky
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 14 May 2006 02:49:38 AM
In message <slrne6dae0.kl.slunky@latitude.zero>, slunky
<slunky@globalzero.org> writes

_/ CyberDroog wrote \_

I prefer metal door frames.


Me too. and metal doors. When I get a house, I would like shatterproof
windows like in big buildings.

Have you considered that some rifle rounds can penetrate walls.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "slunky"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 14 May 2006 10:08:41 PM
_/ Alan Harding wrote \_

Have you considered that some rifle rounds can penetrate walls.

I haven't, but I think it is pretty far fetched for someone to be
firing at my wall with a .357
--
-slunky
.
User: "Charles"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 14 May 2006 10:12:12 PM
On Mon, 15 May 2006 03:08:41 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org>
wrote:

_/ Alan Harding wrote \_

Have you considered that some rifle rounds can penetrate walls.


I haven't, but I think it is pretty far fetched for someone to be
firing at my wall with a .357

A .357 is a rifle?
.
User: "slunky"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 14 May 2006 10:21:23 PM
_/ Charles wrote \_

A .357 is a rifle?

A rifle is a firearm that uses a spiral groove cut into the barrel to
spin a projectile (usually a bullet), thus improving accuracy and range
of the projectile. The grooves cut on the inside of the barrel produce
lands that make contact with the bullet and impart twist and spin to the
bullet, around an axis corresponding to the orientation of the weapon,
which upon leaving the barrel retains Angular momentum, thus ensuring
greater accuracy.
A handgun is a rifle, and a .357 round would pierce my wall.
--
-slunky
.
User: "Charles"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 14 May 2006 10:49:15 PM
On Mon, 15 May 2006 03:21:23 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org>
wrote:

_/ Charles wrote \_

A .357 is a rifle?


A rifle is a firearm that uses a spiral groove cut into the barrel to
spin a projectile (usually a bullet), thus improving accuracy and range
of the projectile. The grooves cut on the inside of the barrel produce
lands that make contact with the bullet and impart twist and spin to the
bullet, around an axis corresponding to the orientation of the weapon,
which upon leaving the barrel retains Angular momentum, thus ensuring
greater accuracy.

A handgun is a rifle, and a .357 round would pierce my wall.

Yeah, yeah. <:-)
this is my rifle
this is my gun
this is for fighting
this is for fun
.

User: "CyberDroog"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 15 May 2006 02:07:53 AM
On Mon, 15 May 2006 03:21:23 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote:

_/ Charles wrote \_

A .357 is a rifle?


A rifle is a firearm that uses a spiral groove cut into the barrel to
spin a projectile (usually a bullet), thus improving accuracy and range
of the projectile. The grooves cut on the inside of the barrel produce
lands that make contact with the bullet and impart twist and spin to the
bullet, around an axis corresponding to the orientation of the weapon,
which upon leaving the barrel retains Angular momentum, thus ensuring
greater accuracy.

A handgun is a rifle, and a .357 round would pierce my wall.

A rifle is not any firearm with a rifled bore. By definition, a rifle is a
firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder.
But then you can get carbines in .357 mag, .44 mag, etc. The good old
Tommy gun is a .45 ACP which is a standard handgun round.
As for a .357 piercing your wall, it depends what round is used. A ball
round will penetrate normal residential walls quite nicely. JHP's are good
for dropping a human being, but their ability to penetrate hard matter is
much less since they deform easily. Lead rounds penetrate even less.
Glaser's have been stopped by heavy leather jackets, though frangible
rounds are unpredictable (far from their Hollywood reputation as One Shot
Stop bullets, they were designed for use on aircraft and are not meant to
penetrate well.)
--
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live
at the expense of everybody else.
- Fredric Bastiat
.







User: "slunky"

Title: Re: Star-Spangled Silliness 13 May 2006 11:59:55 AM
_/ Bacon wrote \_

Most deadbolts on apartments I've lived in are secured with 2 small
screws to the molding. A light kick is all it takes. I buy a new
setup with the long screws you drive into the frame of the wall. Now
it takes a swift kick...make the crooks show a little effort at least.

In this apartment, that's not a problem. I've got a big metal door and a
metal frame for the door. I drove my screws right into the brick through
the frame. I'd like to see someone try to kick it in. They'd have better
luck smashing my double-paned windows, and like I've said before, I
protect myself and my family more than adequetly from intruders and
people who would do us wrong.
--
-slunky
.








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