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User: "Trishamolson"
Date: 07 Apr 2004 11:23:05 AM
Object: Still Terribly Sick
I am angry and it is not focused anger -- I am ready to bite anyone's head off,
feel like breaking windows and taking restraint to not do anything violent. I
called John, but no answer, and I assume God is trying to protect me and steer
me away from poison. Two days of this -- and I can't work, want to hurt myself
-- realy really bad off right now.
Anyone have a clue to what might be going on? I don't know what to do to
relieve this insanity stirring in my mind. Afraid. Fucked up.
Rosena
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User: "JohnM"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 12:30:54 PM
Hi Trish...you might try just sitting still, or laying down
still....just looking at one point in space, not doing anything. This is
motionless sitting, and it calms me when I use it. Also feelings come and
go, rise and fall, as long as we dont attach danger to them. Doing
something objective (playing solitaire? calling a friend? doing dishes?)
will help. I think if I was worked up I wouldnt want to call my ex....just
thinking about her can work me up. Lol! But there are sometimes objective
reasons to communicate with her.
Hope you feel better soon. :)
JohnM
"Trishamolson" <trishamolson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407122305.07753.00000836@mb-m18.aol.com...


I am angry and it is not focused anger -- I am ready to bite anyone's head

off,

feel like breaking windows and taking restraint to not do anything

violent. I

called John, but no answer, and I assume God is trying to protect me and

steer

me away from poison. Two days of this -- and I can't work, want to hurt

myself

-- realy really bad off right now.

Anyone have a clue to what might be going on? I don't know what to do to
relieve this insanity stirring in my mind. Afraid. Fucked up.

Rosena

.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 12:58:34 PM
Thanks John -- trying to read Catherine of Siena's raptures right now. Good
discipline to try to focus and concentrate.
Hope all well with you.
.


User: "Luna"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 02:07:10 PM
"Trishamolson" <trishamolson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407122305.07753.00000836@mb-m18.aol.com...


I am angry and it is not focused anger -- I am ready to bite anyone's

head off,

feel like breaking windows and taking restraint to not do anything

violent. I

called John, but no answer, and I assume God is trying to protect me

and steer

me away from poison. Two days of this -- and I can't work, want to

hurt myself

-- realy really bad off right now.

Rosena, it's like something good happens and you become completely
focused on creating that chaos again. Rosena, please. Think, think,
think. Yikes. Don't make me fly over there.
Jean


Rosena

.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 03:30:27 PM

Rosena, it's like something good happens and you become completely
focused on creating that chaos again. Rosena, please. Think, think,
think. Yikes. Don't make me fly over there.

Hi Jean,
It came over me like a wave. I am feeling in "control" of myself now, just very
fatigued from the internal battle. It is like little demons live in me going
"okay, how can we ***** you today?" Except the demons are me tormenting me -- I
know you know what I mean. Thanks for being so sweet. I know how seeing a post
that refers to John might be iritating for if I was my own friends, I'd shake
me I'd get so frustrated.
Maybe you and Kim can come where Tara is and we can have a mini meet?
Best
me
.
User: "TwelveAngryBadgers"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 04:42:40 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On 07 Apr 2004 20:30:27 GMT,
(Trishamolson)
wrote:

Except the demons are me tormenting me

That's right!
Stop that immediately. ;)
I know that's not the way it works, and you know what? I had a job
interview today, and i tried to sabotage it REAL GOOD last night,
sometimes it feels like we can't help ourselves, doesn't it? I went to
the interview on 0 hours of sleep, but i went, and i did really well.
Just like you could've sabotaged your new job, but you didn't, and
you're not going to. Because we both know that we have not only a
responsibility to ourselves, but to our girls.

I know how seeing a post
that refers to John might be iritating for if I was my own friends, I'd shake
me I'd get so frustrated.

This is kind of funny: When i read your post, first thing that popped
into my head is "If you call John I will f-king kill you".

Maybe you and Kim can come where Tara is and we can have a mini meet?

I am still on the West Coast... And here i will remain :)
.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 04:27:54 AM
Hey you.
I am glad job interview went well -- when do you know if you get it?
Yep, the girls -- stops a lot of ***** eh?

This is kind of funny: When i read your post, first thing that popped
into my head is "If you call John I will f-king kill you".

he he -- made me feel warm all over to read this. I didn't try to call after I
calmed down a bit. Moments of madness . . .
love
me
.



User: "Nina"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 04:01:06 PM
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:07:10 -0400, "Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com>
wrote:


"Trishamolson" <trishamolson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407122305.07753.00000836@mb-m18.aol.com...


I am angry and it is not focused anger -- I am ready to bite anyone's

head off,

feel like breaking windows and taking restraint to not do anything

violent. I

called John, but no answer, and I assume God is trying to protect me

and steer

me away from poison. Two days of this -- and I can't work, want to

hurt myself

-- realy really bad off right now.


Rosena, it's like something good happens and you become completely
focused on creating that chaos again. Rosena, please. Think, think,
think. Yikes. Don't make me fly over there.

Road trip! :-)
.


User: "used2be"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 04:46:13 PM
"Trishamolson" <trishamolson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407122305.07753.00000836@mb-m18.aol.com...


I am angry and it is not focused anger -- I am ready to bite anyone's head

off,

feel like breaking windows and taking restraint to not do anything

violent. I

called John, but no answer, and I assume God is trying to protect me and

steer

me away from poison. Two days of this -- and I can't work, want to hurt

myself

-- realy really bad off right now.

i know i don't know you that well, but i'm completely confused as to why
you'd want to call john now when things are turning around for you. you are
getting what you want as far as a job and money go, so why would you WANT to
screw that up? perhaps chaos is the only thing you are comfortable with
because it's all you've ever known? yes, that's common here. lots of
ASD'ers are like that. when things go smoothly, many of us can't handle it
and we gotta stir up strife. but i've never understood that. i don't
comprehend when things are going well, why one would want to sabotage
oneself that way. it must just be me misunderstanding, but i JUST DON'T GET
IT!!!!
have you discussed all this with a therapist? i mean, you are a brilliant
woman, yet you continue to do things that blow me away in the "lack of
common sense" department. i'm not trying to judge you or anger you. i like
you alot and want what's best for you. i guess i'm just trying to make
sense of something that makes ZERO sense to me. i know that you can't turn
pain on and off, and i realize that depression doesn't suddenly disappear
because our circumstances improve. what i don't get is why you would want
to jeopardize what you've been given by contacting john. or why you keep
looking for the bad in a good situation. you need to take that brilliant
mind of yours and focus it on the good things in your life and STOP killing
yourself with the bad!!!!!
i know, i'm probably being insensitive. it's just that i care about you and
i DO feel like shaking you sometimes. just as i would my own daughter.
it's concern for you that makes me ask these hard questions. i just want
you to be the strong person you ARE and stop dragging yourself down into the
muck.
highly concerned,
u2b
.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 04:30:45 AM
Dear Cindy,
I don't know what it is, when I panic or I am under high high stress and also
feeling very guilty and bad about myself, I tend to want to call. It is like a
child who keeps running to the same parent who will ignore them and not love
them.
All I can say is I did not call, and ASDers always help -- like you -- to give
me a reality check. Thanks
Rosena
.
User: "Nina"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 04:11:00 PM
On 08 Apr 2004 09:30:45 GMT,
(Trishamolson)
wrote:

I don't know what it is, when I panic or I am under high high stress and also
feeling very guilty and bad about myself, I tend to want to call. It is like a
child who keeps running to the same parent who will ignore them and not love
them.

There is something there... some kind of cognitive distortion, some
sort of reaction to stress that sends you scurrying to something that
your mind perceives as... I don't know. Safety? It seems
inconceivable, but it's something like that.
I kind of understand this.
Here's a possibly unrelated story. I was invited to this luncheon
today. It turned out that everyone else at this lunch was the
president of a local bank, except for the people who were federal
government officials, and, it turns out, the mayor of the very large
city that I live near. A little out of my usual league.
But this was ok, weirdly enough. And I talked to these people, and
actually was one of the only people willing to speak up before the
room in the after lunch discussion. I was pretty damn impressive if I
say so myself.
But my immediate reaction, after leaving the lunch, was to more or
less fall apart. I had a few errands to run, and I was testy and
irritable and impossible to please, and I ended up skipping the other
errand that I really needed to do because I just needed to get the
hell out of the city immediately. Doing well with this... rather like
what's going on with you... didn't make me feel good. It made me feel
bad.
Someone said to me years ago that I had equally strong fears of
success and of failure, and while I suppose that there's a kind of
truth to that, it's also sort of facile. Sometimes I think that when
things go well, I start putting an unsustainable amount of pressure on
myself to be someone who I don't know how to be any more, whom I can't
deal with very well. And so I leap back to old patterns, old neural
pathways that are well-worn and easy. I can't really explain it. I
haven't quite got it worked out in my head yet. But what you were
doing seems like that, too. For whatever it's worth.
Nina
.
User: "used2be"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 09 Apr 2004 11:53:12 AM
"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:ucfb70dumq3aatoiluf034gq4r3s7eb80h@4ax.com...

On 08 Apr 2004 09:30:45 GMT,

(Trishamolson)
wrote:

I don't know what it is, when I panic or I am under high high stress and

also

feeling very guilty and bad about myself, I tend to want to call. It is

like a

child who keeps running to the same parent who will ignore them and not

love

them.


There is something there... some kind of cognitive distortion, some
sort of reaction to stress that sends you scurrying to something that
your mind perceives as... I don't know. Safety? It seems
inconceivable, but it's something like that.

I kind of understand this.

Here's a possibly unrelated story. I was invited to this luncheon
today. It turned out that everyone else at this lunch was the
president of a local bank, except for the people who were federal
government officials, and, it turns out, the mayor of the very large
city that I live near. A little out of my usual league.

But this was ok, weirdly enough. And I talked to these people, and
actually was one of the only people willing to speak up before the
room in the after lunch discussion. I was pretty damn impressive if I
say so myself.

But my immediate reaction, after leaving the lunch, was to more or
less fall apart. I had a few errands to run, and I was testy and
irritable and impossible to please, and I ended up skipping the other
errand that I really needed to do because I just needed to get the
hell out of the city immediately. Doing well with this... rather like
what's going on with you... didn't make me feel good. It made me feel
bad.

Someone said to me years ago that I had equally strong fears of
success and of failure, and while I suppose that there's a kind of
truth to that, it's also sort of facile. Sometimes I think that when
things go well, I start putting an unsustainable amount of pressure on
myself to be someone who I don't know how to be any more, whom I can't
deal with very well. And so I leap back to old patterns, old neural
pathways that are well-worn and easy. I can't really explain it. I
haven't quite got it worked out in my head yet. But what you were
doing seems like that, too. For whatever it's worth.

Nina


actually, that makes perfect sense, nina.
u2b
.
User: "Nina"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 09 Apr 2004 01:52:33 PM
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:53:12 GMT, "used2be"
<cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> wrote:

actually, that makes perfect sense, nina.

I'm glad it made sense to someone. The more I see what goes on inside
my head, the more complex and confused it sometimes seems. I just
wish I could get a bit more chaos-free breathing space between
revelations. But don't we all...
Nina
.





User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 11:56:46 AM
Think I will take meds a bit early and lie in Maria's room for a short time --
sounds silly, but might help.
R. (haven't broken anything yet)
.

User: "Bev Thornton"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 11:30:09 AM
Trishamolson wrote:

Anyone have a clue to what might be going on?

Only you.

I don't know what to do to relieve this insanity stirring in my mind.

Do something else.

Afraid. Fucked up.

Then do something that's simple and not scary.
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User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 11:53:29 AM

Anyone have a clue to what might be going on?


Only you.

I don't . . .obvious things but not what is making me angry and violent feeling


I don't know what to do to relieve this insanity stirring in my mind.


Do something else.

Yes . . I am in this room a lot cuz of work and mobility problems, maybe should
get out of it.

Afraid. Fucked up.


Then do something that's simple and not scary.

Wish you were here -- honest. Not to subject you to anything, but because I
miss your voice, humor, insight and sweetness.
me
.
User: "Bev Thornton"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 12:50:18 PM
Trishamolson wrote:

Anyone have a clue to what might be going on?


Only you.


I don't . . .obvious things but not what is making me angry and violent
feeling

Then you have to look harder.

Yes . . I am in this room a lot cuz of work and mobility problems, maybe
should get out of it.

There you go.
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User: "GlennT"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 02:14:57 AM
Trishamolson wrote:

I am angry and it is not focused anger -- I am ready to bite anyone's head off,
feel like breaking windows and taking restraint to not do anything violent. I
called John, but no answer, and I assume God is trying to protect me and steer
me away from poison. Two days of this -- and I can't work, want to hurt myself
-- realy really bad off right now.

Anyone have a clue to what might be going on? I don't know what to do to
relieve this insanity stirring in my mind. Afraid. Fucked up.

Rosena

You have to convince yourself of your inability to solve things. You
have to give up... after that it's a cakewalk.
Take care.
Glennt
.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 04:31:33 AM

You have to convince yourself of your inability to solve things. You
have to give up... after that it's a cakewalk.

Nodding strongly -- yes, this is a key!
me
hope you are well.
.


User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 12:17:46 AM
Yes, Rosena, I do have a clue, or at least an idea. Beyond certain
limits, anger (rage) becomes a medical problem. I was once possessed
by constant feelings of nearly homicidal rage, for a couple of years,
that would not go away no matter what I did. These were feelings that
were well beyond what I would have considered appropriate, yet I
couldn't make them stop. Finally, to my great surprise and relief,
they simply vanished when I took Depakote, and never came back. So at
this point I'd urge you to consider medication for the problem. It
might be that, for you, as for me, a mood stabilizer (like Depakote)
works better for rage than a more traditional antidepressant. I don't
know what would work best for you, of course, but I really would
suggest that you pursue this course of investigation instead of just
assuming you can somehow handle your anger with non-medical solutions.
The price of sticking with the latter may prove more than you want to
pay.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000
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"Trishamolson" <trishamolson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407122305.07753.00000836@mb-m18.aol.com...


I am angry and it is not focused anger -- I am ready to bite

anyone's head off,

feel like breaking windows and taking restraint to not do anything

violent. I

called John, but no answer, and I assume God is trying to protect me

and steer

me away from poison. Two days of this -- and I can't work, want to

hurt myself

-- realy really bad off right now.

Anyone have a clue to what might be going on? I don't know what to

do to

relieve this insanity stirring in my mind. Afraid. Fucked up.

Rosena

.

User: "Lynda"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 01:08:01 PM
don't call John that is the worse thing you can do, keep your mind
focused on Maria and go out and do things with her or cuddle with her on
the couch and watch movies~just DON'T CALL JOHN,
sorry haven't been on line for about 10 days except real quick to clean
up mail....long story but just really having some personal problems~
Lynda
.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 08 Apr 2004 04:32:17 AM
Thanks dear,
I am holding so far. Hope things get better for you.
Rosena
.


User: "Naomi Darvell"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 11:40:59 AM
x-no-archive: yes
I don't know what's going on with you.
It sometimes happens to me that worry about one thing-- a job; a health
problem-- goes away and a bunch of other obessions crowd in to take its place.
Being given an opportunity can be scary too; sometimes it's easier to feel it's
hopeless.
Whatever. Try not to screw yourself up by getting involved with this guy again.
Whatever damage you may think was done by your relationship with him in the
past would be nothing compared to what might happen if you got into all that
again.
Naomi D.
.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 11:51:16 AM
I know . . .not sure why I am thinking I "need" to reach him or what for . . .
the plans to do the move back to the states are real complicated and not much
upfront money so causing much much tension here, scared about being back in
classroom and truth Naomi, feeling like a broken vase, just shattered and not
up to the job . . . I wish I could jump in a car and take a ride,
Rosena
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 12:47:41 PM
On 07 Apr 2004 16:51:16 GMT,
(Trishamolson)
wrote:

<(((*> I know . . .not sure why I am thinking I "need" to reach him or what for . . .
<(((*> the plans to do the move back to the states are real complicated and not much
<(((*> upfront money so causing much much tension here, scared about being back in
<(((*> classroom and truth Naomi, feeling like a broken vase, just shattered and not
<(((*> up to the job . . . I wish I could jump in a car and take a ride,

Sweetheart, with this wonderful return to teaching right within
your grasp, the very last thing you should be doing is talking to
John.
If he's even one-tenth as vindictive as you've described him
here, I wouldn't put it past him to call up the school and
deliberately try to sabotage you.
Time enough to gloat over him when you're strong and have tenure
again.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
.
User: "Trishamolson"

Title: Re: Still Terribly Sick 07 Apr 2004 12:57:31 PM
Dear Tara,

Sweetheart, with this wonderful return to teaching right within
your grasp, the very last thing you should be doing is talking to
John.

I know -- I really do know -- these last 48 hours have been hellish even though
I am on my meds and trying to do work. I think I got a bit of a grip on this
vapid desire to make contact for right now . . . it is very irrational. I am
fighting inside with myself, little warriors on four different fronts all
battling each other and it is exhausting me.
I think the older I get, the harder change is and perhaps it is simply the
planning and work on top of the thesis that is making me shaky. Thanks for
good thoughts as always.
Rosena
.





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